Do not utter the lie, saying this is lawful and this unlawful
December 22, 2007
Johari Baharum as reported in Malaysiakini :
‘The word ‘Allah’ can only be used in the context of Islam and not any other religion’
‘Only Muslims can use ‘Allah’. It’s a Muslim word, you see. It’s from (the Arabic (language). We cannot let other religions use it because it will confuse people’
‘We cannot allow this use of ‘Allah’ in non-Muslim publications, nobody except Muslims. The word ‘Allah’ is published by the Catholics. It’s not right.’
God in the Holy Qur’an as translated by Shakir :
Do you apprise Allah of your religion, when Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; and Allah is Cognizant of all things? – Surah 49 verse 16
Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these – Surah 17 verse 110
Do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know – Surah 2 verse 42
And, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, saying. ‘This is lawful and this is unlawful’, in order to forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper – Surah 16 verse 116
Do you then hope that they would believe in you, when a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know this. And when they meet those who believe they say: We believe, and when they are alone one with another they say: Do you talk to them of what Allah has disclosed to you that they may contend with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand? Do they not know that Allah knows what they keep secret and what they make known? And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. – Surah 2 verses 75 – 79
December 22, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Has the Christians being addressing their god as Allah before? If yes, I see no harm in it. If no, I also see no harm in it but why now?
December 22, 2007 at 1:09 pm
“A rose by any other name
Will smell just as sweet!” (an English proverb)
Don’t blame a name to cause shame
And make oneself less than a ‘tweet’
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 221207
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sat. 22nd Dec. 2007.
December 22, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Johari Baharum was reported in Malaysiakini as saying :‘The word ‘Allah’ can only be used in the context of Islam and not any other religion’
‘Only Muslims can use ‘Allah’. It’s a Muslim word, you see. It’s from (the Arabic (language). We cannot let other religions use it because it will confuse people’
‘We cannot allow this use of ‘Allah’ in non-Muslim publications, nobody except Muslims. The word ‘Allah’ is published by the Catholics. It’s not right.’
What a narrow minded and ignorant man he is, does he believe all Arab are Muslims?
Arabic is a language not a religion, an Arab named Abdullah, Hassan, or Nabeel may be a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim, but what they have in common is they all pray to Allah!
Shut up Johari, you are speaking nonsense.
December 22, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Splitting hairs will not enhance clarity in religion and neither will it bring one closer to God. Listen to your heart. If your heart does not tell you anything, it’s time for you to do something about it pronto!
December 22, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Just when I thought so many of our Parliamentarians had reached the bottom of the barrel in lowness and ridiculousness, along comes Jo-in-a-hurry bringing things to an even higher level of lowness!
Why is so much nonsense and stupidity coming out of the mouths of so many?
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s all about sowing and reaping. What you sow – meaning speak, do, believe, approve, applaud, receive heartily – will take firm root in you and that is what you will bear forth or reap.
So, if you gleefully agree and applaud the stupendously stupid utterances of one-eyed jack, bodoh spokesman, kerisman and the rest, you have actually received into and established into your soul a crop of stupid utterances and these will grow and blossom in you.
What do you reap then? The fruits of stupidity. And hence, when you open your mouth, what else can come out but what you had sown into yourself.
In computer language : GIGO – garbage in, garbage out.
December 23, 2007 at 12:10 am
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December 23, 2007 at 12:32 am
Well, I’m confused too, so many dato2, Tan Sris have been screwing each other’s wives or husbands for the matter, isn’t that against the religion and God. Hey, what about corruption, you s#it head. Is that allowed too in your religion. BKTan, why don’t you just whack this bugger and shut him up good. Give back something to society at least.
December 23, 2007 at 12:42 am
lagu kebangsaan negara Ku harus di tukar lirik yqang ada perkataan Tuhan kepada perkataan allah.
December 23, 2007 at 1:05 am
The term ‘Allah’ is Arabic. I believe only Arabs should be allowed to use the term.
We should not allow people of other races to use it as it will confuse people. We cannot allow this use of ‘Allah’ in non-Arabic publications, nobody except Arabs. The word ‘Allah’ is published by the South-east Asians. It’s not right.
Hurrah for simplicity.
December 23, 2007 at 1:13 am
If this man were to open the Bible in Arabic he would find the word ‘Allah’ repeated over and over. This is a misguided argument in semantics. It’s sad how ignorant some people can be (and oblivious to the fact that there are Christians in the Middle East.) As has already been said – religion has nothing to do with language or nationality – it is what’s in your heart.
On a side note – I would like to correct the commenter ‘A Muslim’ – Abdallah is not a common name amongst Christians – but it has been used on rare occasion. Hassan, on the other hand, is in fact a purely Muslim name. Nabil is the only example in that list of an Arabic name that has nothing to do with religion.
December 23, 2007 at 1:52 am
nice. at least now I get an explanation from Muslims themselves on the matter.
Guess sum ppl just confuses language as belonging to only one religion
December 23, 2007 at 2:14 am
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The numerous racial and religious issues impelled by umno recently are indication of desperation within them that have actually triggered their sense of insecurity.
Many within umno are known moron and anything they raise are more likely than not garbage only good for their own consumption.
After having to face such garbage over and over again since time immemorial, the good people should decide what kind of country they wanted to have for their progeny.
It is time they take a stand once and for all.
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However majority of good folks are in village – so how do you disseminate such information to them?
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December 23, 2007 at 8:00 am
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December 23, 2007 at 9:12 am
Forget about the man. Let’s deal with the real issue.
Will muslims in this country be confused once the word allah is used in christianity? if there is a christian book titled just ALLAH in the market, and happened to be placed side by side with the Quran, what will be the reaction? these are honest questions becuz I really don’t know the answers.
December 23, 2007 at 9:55 am
Farida,
You got to bear one thing in mind. This Johari Baharum idiot, ends his year on a high note. In UMNO it is not a measure of the quality of the issues you raise. It is the magnitude to which you can raise even a non-issue and its frequesncy. AFterall this Bhaharom has not exactly been endaring to Badawi, what with his various conflicts with people like BK Tan and associates and the IGP and AG. Election is coming. This is all foreplay, as I call it, so that Badawi knows he is dealig with a War lord here who he cannot mess around with, and therefore, cannot be dropped as a candidate.
This is the second time in Badawi’s premiership “Allah” has come into contention. The sleepy head probably imagines the last time was only a dream and this is the real thing when he is awake. He might think giving Catholics their relief just before Christmas he might be doing them a favour…after all he now got a lot of Catholic relatives, does he not? How is he going to visit his father-in-law this Christmas and wish him Merry Christmas in his face eh?
December 23, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Faridah, you are right. The man is trying to be a hero with the Muslims, he knows what he says is not true, but he is trying to be a demagogue and show Badawi he is a force to be reckon with.I have a post on my blog about this issue.Allah certainly is not exclusive to Islam,the pre-Islamic Meccans used the same word for their gods.Christian Arabs and some Jews also used it.
December 23, 2007 at 3:07 pm
ezede,
Any Muslims who can read and write will not be confused.I am a Muslim, I have a Bible and books on Buddism in my house.It doesn’t, make me a lesser Muslim.I kept the books as a source of knowledge not as an attempt to convert to other faith.
Converting to another religion is a personal choice, no other human being should interfere with another person choice of faith.Divine law is not for human to messed around with, only God should deal with it.
Hantu Laut,
Ku amat hormati mu
December 23, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Responding to Alrawa question; I am a Christian myself, I have come across Christian worship songs written by Indonesian Christians who addressed God the Father by the name ‘Allah’. And Yes, those Indonesian Christians and even Orang Asli who are devout Christians do refer to the name of ‘God the Father’ as Allah in their own native language. And speaking of that Johari who said only Muslims can use that word. I can only think of 2 things;
1) He has never ventured anywhere outside Malaysia
2) Who is he to say who can use certain words and others don’t? Who can place any exclusive claim to any word? and since the word ‘God’ is in English, and originated from West, should he also by right abstain from misusing the word and not to mention it for fear of abusing it?
Kinsy,
Well said.
December 27, 2007 at 2:24 pm
On December 22, 2007 at 6:16 pm, A Muslim Says:
Yes, all “Arabs” are Muslims since there is in reality no such thing as an Arab Christian. Egyptian Christians are NOT Arabs racially but Copts racially. Their mother tongue was Coptic language. Ditto for Lebanese, Palestinian, Jordanian, and Syrian peoples. They are Christians, yes, but their mother tongue was Syriac language (Bahasa Suryani) but through forced Islamisation, which followed by Arabisation they became Arab-Muslims.
I have many friends who are Jordanian Christians and they proudly say “We are not Arabs and we oppose both Arabism as a form of Jihadist Imperialism. We feel sad how our mother tongue Syriac language was destroyed”
In Malaysia, when a Chinese or an Indian converts to Islam, he becomes a Malay as he has “masuk bangsa Melayu” (entered the Malay nation).
In Egypt, when an ethnically Coptic-Christian converts to Islam, he becomes an Arab-Muslim as he abandons his Coptic ethnicity in favour of an Arab ethnic identity.
leemk,
I think you should throw out whatever reference books you are presently using
December 27, 2007 at 2:36 pm
On December 23, 2007 at 1:13 am, diptychal Says:
Nabil is NOT an Arabic name at all but a name of Syriac Christian origin. Many Arabic words are loaned from Coptic language and Syriac language. Even the name of the second Caliph of Islam, Umar, is not a native Arab name but a Jewish name derived from the Hebrew language.
The wife of one of my friends is a Coptic Christian and she says she is not ethnically Arab but ethnically Coptic. She told me her mother tongue was Coptic language (which is sadly, a dead language) due to Islamisation (which is Arabisation).
June 29, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Well… let me explain briefly… The word “Allah” existed before Mohammed and Islam. “Allah” as in Mohammed Bin Abdu-allah (see “Allah” existed before Islam). Allah was the name of a Pagan Idol in ancient Mecca. Christian of the middle-east (no such thing as Arabic Christian”, Arab are late comers and occupiers from the Yemen, gulf and Saudi who Arabised the existing nations after the Islamic armies invaded those countries) do not say Allah (we call him Rub”). if you find a bible in Arabic is because those who translated it are misguided and ignorant of middle-eastern christianity). The Copts in Egypt do not call him Allah, and the Christian in lebanon call him “Rub”. Further more, There is no such thing as Islamic names. Mohammed, Hassan, Hussein etc… names existed before Islam.