…and sometimes what you read was in fact said!
April 15, 2008
Got this in the e-mail from Steven Gan of Malaysiakini :
I refer to your April 14 posting ‘What you read ain’t always what’s said!’ regarding Malaysiakini’s report of Tengku Faris’ speech.
In response, I’d like to make the following points:
1. Malaysiakini reporters (not one but three) were at the function
2. We have in possession the audio recording of Tengku Faris speech
3. What was delivered by Tengku Faris on that day was 99% similar to
the written text given to reporters
4. We have matched all quotes in our report to the audio recordings
In the interest of fair play, we would very much appreciate if you could make a clarification in your blog.
Thanking you in advance.
_____________________________
I received the amended text of Tengku Faris’s speech from Lil’ Hummingbird a little while ago.
Have gone through all 13 pages of the original text and the hand-written amendments thereon, and re-read the Malaysiakini report.
I’ve got to say that the amendments do not take much away from the original text.
And I have to agree with Steven that the Malaysiakini report does accurately reflect what was said.
I am disappointed with the Crown Prince.
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Concerned commented :
haha… if so (that Mkini was right after all), then haris is the one who should apologise to everyone including Malaysiakini..
A good lesson that everyone (PM, MSM, journos, bloggers and pollies) please get facts straight before publishing!
Malaysiakini, Andrew Ong & Steven Gan,
My apologies.






April 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm
What a shame !! boy.
How can i love my contry ? As the country have no love with us ?
April 15, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Quick on the draw wasn’t I!!
April 15, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Vindication is ever so sweet. Lets all learn the Good Lesson.
Lil Hum…. should be humming less now.
Ampun Tengku, it is so not cool to be talking about Ketuanan Melayu to the Rakyat, better to talk about Ketuanan Rakyat, the next time around.
Berjuta juta, berbillion billion ampun
April 15, 2008 at 5:54 pm
thanks for leading by example haris. re: previous post comments, it appears that accusations without actual proof is still alive and well for a society that is so hungry for the truth.
i feel so bad for andrew, saja-saja kena hantam cos of some anonymous hummingbird. lol.
April 15, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Let us learn from this incident. Not all are on the same page.
We must guard against shooting first and later asking questions. Lets not make the same mistakes like what the BN and its supporters did.
Even Pakatan Rakyat has its flaws. When the Perak MB calls Sikhs ” Bengali Community” , I do not see any reaction from anyone. And DAP leaders are very understanding on this. If it was a UMNO MB I bet there would have been some bashing…
But I am not losing any sleep over it!
Only time will tell if we are on the right track and if we have the conviction to be true to ourselves on Bangsa Malaysia, transparency and justice.
Buckle up for its a bumpy ride ahead.
April 15, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Bro as far as I’m concern, you are just doing what’s right given the circumstances at the time. Enjoy the blog and keep up the good work
However,…
Ampun Tengku, the rakyat would like an explanation please.
April 15, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Ampun Tuanku beribu ribu Ampun, sembah patik harap di Ampun,
Are only the Malays the subjects of the Rajas and Sultans ?
What about the Non Malays ? We are not their subjects.
Thank You Your Highness.
Ampun Tuanku !
April 15, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Tengku Faris is probably warped in time date: 7th March 2008. He does not know that the rakyat has spoken that they wish for Ketuanan Rakyat to be defended.
Indeed I am apalled by Tengku Faris. While Perak Crown Prince Raja Nazrin spoke of all Malaysians being equal under law and defending the constitution, Tengku Faris is talking about defending the rights of Malays and talking about the non Malays to be indebted to them for having their citizenship here in Malaysia.
Two Princes, same title but the minds of both are universe apart. At least he revealed where his standing is. Now we know… dont we?
April 15, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I was about to amend my blog on this subject, when I saw this. Since I was happy that I apparently was wrong in judging the prince, this news makes me feel sad, although I now do not need to spend any energy and time on making any changes!
What a sad country we live in.
http://orangewaves.blogspot.com/2008/04/tengku-faris-you-are-wrong.html
April 15, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Unbelievable isn’t it … ‘we give you citizenship so that you will forever remain our servants and below us …’
This is so 7th century ….
April 15, 2008 at 7:26 pm
While Shar101 (commenting on your earlier posting) was right that I alluded to a change in text by Malaysiakini in my own posting (http://asylum60.blogspot.com/2008/04/melayu-ber-clueless.html), I did also mention that the gist of the news report remained the same. And I definitely did not imply any sinister-ish motive on M’kini’s part…
Now, Shar101… apologize to me.. IMMEDIATELY! (Heh heh heh…)
But all kidding aside, look at it this way – the crown prince was a convenient tool to further BBPM’s agenda… and no, I won’t elaborate on the tool bit in fear of threading seditious grounds…
April 15, 2008 at 7:27 pm
What we need is a strong representation from PR voicing their reservation (if not outright objection)directed at the individual making these statements. Ketuanan Rakyat is the new rallying cry!
April 15, 2008 at 8:11 pm
The Royalty must stand up to injustices committed on all their subjects irrespective of colour, creed or caste.
All of us are subjects of the royalty !!!
April 15, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I utterly disgusted
April 15, 2008 at 8:19 pm
heck, what’s the next step?
should we just ignore it? nik aziz has also come out and said that an Islamic State is inevitable.
so, we know clearly what PAS’s agenda is. at the moment they are just pretending to be democratic, but all are not equal even if you are 3rd generation m’sian with full citizenship (anyway ther’s no such thing as 1/2 or partial citizenship).
let’s see if enlightened BN & PR Malays come out and condemn outright Tengku’s racism and ask him to abdicate or will it be all wayang kulit?
anything short of this means that the silent support for ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ (the most racist stance ever in any democratic govt in the world) is more than ‘a small minority’. and that’s worrying and frightening, not for the so-called ‘pendatangs’, but for FDI’s and the economic future of m’sia.
so, ISA for Hindraf, but Gaji Buta for racists?
Shameful to the extreme!!
April 15, 2008 at 8:46 pm
visit Malaysia year. And leave it disgusted.
April 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Lil’Hummingbird must’ve heard it from a French Horse, but zist horse doesn’t speek Anglaise mon kapitan. Zist bird must have heard from zer horses ass.
April 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm
i voted for PAS on March 8th.
but i’m beginning to distrust them. They are just pretending to be more Malaysian than Malay for now. It’s only a matter of time before they take of their mask and show they serban and robes.
Nik Aziz’s comments about the Islamic state just confirm it. PAS are wolf in sheep clothing.
malayamuda,
Let’s give them a chance.
We voted them in. We can vote them out.
And they know it.
PAS cannot form the federal government on its own. No federal government on its own, no Islamic state. And so long as they need a coalition that includes DAP to form any sort of government, their Islamic state agenda will continue as just an aspiration.
Which is fine by me.
April 15, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Walski,
You wrote what you wrote and I read it at about 5.30am, prior to my caffeine fix.
Thought it was relevant to the matter.
My apologies, bro.
And Lil’ Hummingbird needs a spanking. Who’s up to it?
April 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm
This is what happen when narrow-minded people rule the country, calm down, I’m sure they are the minority
April 15, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Let bygone be bygone! At least we got one true gentleman who trully own up to his word and apologies.
April 15, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Tuanku, you are a highly respected figure, undoubtedly. I do sincerely hope that your love also includes us and of course my Indian friends as well.Your sharp words have cut our hearts deeply, it really hurt and it will take a long time to heal, maybe for generations to come.
April 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Always have a great respect for you Haris, you are a good muslim and a real gentleman. Never too proud to apologise when you are wrong.
April 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Haris – respect you and your ability to apologize!
As for Tengku Faris – I’m deeply disappointed and also horrified as he is the next Sultan of Kelantan, and in line to be Agung. I guess if and when he does ascend to the throne, me and mine will need to either get going or get knee pads (NOT!). Even as I write, my disappointment has turned into disgust!
April 15, 2008 at 11:46 pm
But at least the Tengku said what many Malays were afraid to say. Someone has got to say it. The Malays have always felt that they got the short end of the stick. Remember the Maybank fiasco on the memo to choose only bumi law firms? At least they issued a memo. Other bank didnt even bother. They just hire non-bumi law firms ONLY. Take the top 5 public listed construction companies and look at top 500 ranking employees in the management (not the window dressing Chairman) starting with the MD. How many Malays are there? Yet these companies are getting billions of ringgit worth of govt (people) projects eg billion RM rail double tracking, city toll roads, toll tunnel. Do similar exercise on banks, private hospitals, and other services. Malays have no choice but to join lowly paid govt sector after being blank walled in corporate sector. The middle class are mostly non-Malays. Can you name one Malay majority housing estate that can come close to Bandar Utama? With that kind of purchasing power? And how many “Bandars Utama” are there in Klang Valley? Who are actually the second class citizens?
Haris, I admire your works and what you did during recent election. But, just as we have the right to say our piece, others have thier rights to say their piece too. We just have to live with that.
sentosaisland,
I am all for the right of expression and the articulation of views.
In the context of the Crown Prince, no-one, I think, would deny him of his space for expression.
However, when a personage such as him articulates a stand that is at odds with history, is inconsistent with the spirit intended in weaving Article 153 into the constitution ( see the Reid Commission report which explicitly lays out that the Art 153 provision was not intended to be in perpetuity and a review in 15 years was envisaged ) and is plainly racist, then it should not surprise anyone that such exercise of the right of expression is met with condemnation.
You say that Tengku has merely articulated what many Malays have been afraid to say.
I do not share your view.
I think many Malays have been duped into thinking that their vested constitutional rights are under siege. I think many Malays have been duped into thinking that Article 153 confers on them rights in perpetuity.
I think many Malays have been duped MSM reports of keris-bradishing politicians threatening to use the same to defend Malay rights into then imagining that non-existent Malay rights are under threat.
and I think many Malays today know that those who claim to champion ketuanan Melayu are the very same who have abused the NEP to enrich themselves.
If the Malays have not been able to compete for the best positions in the corporate world, the blame lies with those who up to now have hypocrotically claimed to look out for the Malays.
Yes, blame the Malay leaders.
Some of my best clients are non-Malay. I do not think that they engage my services because they wish to meet some bumi quota.
I think it is about meritocracy.
Malaysia in 2008 must be about meritocracy.
At the same time, we must help all marginalised Malaysians to equip themselves so that they can compete in the system of meritocracy.
April 16, 2008 at 12:05 am
Haris, mistakes are commonplace. After all, we’re only human.
The apology – now that’s a rare animal.
Well done.
April 16, 2008 at 12:14 am
it takes humility and guts to apologise. its ok, haris. we, afterall are humans, do make mistakes. move on but of course we are disappointed with the Crown Prince stance. more worrying is UMNO’s strategy to use “Malay Unity” as a camouflage to divide and rule. in the process, the right wing ultras within UMNO will seize control and lead the country into the path of destruction. thats the real scary part.
April 16, 2008 at 1:13 am
Dear all,
What’s all this crap about racialist sentiments? I have tolerated all this from the Alliance and BN coalition since independance 1957. For 50 years there has been a fixed mindset along racial lines by the ruling party UMNO. We expect this situation to change in the 2 months since GE1008? No way! We need to wait for another generation (meaning 30 years) before we can expect any change in the concept of a true Malaysian society.
Be prepared for the long haul! We do not even know if PR can sustain for the next 12 months.
I have encouraged one of my chldren and her spouse to migrate, in Feb this year. I made the right decision. Does this mean I am not patriotic? No, our descendants’ future in this country is uncertain.
April 16, 2008 at 1:31 am
Kudos to you bro.,it takes a real man to apologize in public.
As always, there are two sides to a story.As in DAP and MCA. Both parties claim to stand up for the chinese community. One will readily sacrifice their freedom for the community and the other will get fat on the community’s blood,sweat and tears.
After all, this is Bolehland…….
April 16, 2008 at 2:58 am
Yawn…
April 16, 2008 at 4:21 am
You guys should go and ask Zouk’s staff about this prince.
They can tell you many stories.
So much about Ketuanan Melayu and Ketuanan Islam.
April 16, 2008 at 6:55 am
Haris, you are by far better than many of the BN leaders. Your courage and sincerity to apologize prove it all. My respect to you…
Tengku, we heard you NOT!! What were you mumbling about? Or did you speak to us, the rakyat, in the first place? Please DON’T forget, without us, the rakyat, you probably rule the monkeys and donkeys… WAKE UP AND COME TO YOUR SENSES, PLEASE!!
April 16, 2008 at 7:37 am
Thank you for clearing up the cloudy picture for us…..
Need to let the Crown Prince know that he is in a wrong time period (anyone got a time machine to send him back to the 7th century?).
April 16, 2008 at 9:59 am
What he said is unconstitutional.
Let us leave no doubt to the Kelantan royalty that unless Faris apologises and retracts, or abdicates, they are well on the way to establish the first republic in Malaysia in Kelantan.
Sooner of later these issues would have come to the fore. Kelantan choose to be the first to test the principle of sovereignity of the people.
April 16, 2008 at 10:08 am
I believe many of us are like Derek Law, who recently contributed articles in Malaysiakini tittled ‘Next steps for Pakatan (Pt 1)& (Pt 2). His ultimate dream is for politics in Malaysia to rise above religion and race.
How nice if this dream of us can become a ‘reality’ in not distant future.
Haris & all guys here, do you guys having the same dream?
April 16, 2008 at 10:21 am
There will always be dissenting views in any society. If we value freedom of expression, then let’s view it in this light.
For me personally, I am overjoyed and filled with renewed hope and enthusiam for our country, embracing the rights and privileges of the malays and the as enshrined in the constitution.
At least PAS clearly states their vision of an islamic state as opposed to the declarations made by MM,Najib and AB that we were never a secular state, in direct contradiction to the constitution.If PAS is able to attain the mandate of the rakyat and amend the constitution, then that’s the wish of the rakyat and must be respected as well.
Of course, I ‘ll try my darnest to deny them that 2/3rd. Isn’t that what democracy is all about?
April 16, 2008 at 10:36 am
AL Wong wrote “Of course, I ‘ll try my darnest to deny them that 2/3rd. Isn’t that what democracy is all about?”
Exactly. Why the need to verbally attack anyone expressing a different view?
Having said that, I have to accept that far too many Malaysians have not enjoyed the freedom to express themselves honestly. So their exuberance is understandable.
I only hope a sufficient number learn to contain themselves that forums such as MT don’t degrade to the level of SCM.
April 16, 2008 at 10:54 am
I believe a lot of non-Malays never question the Malay’s rights and privileges as enshrined in the Constitution. I don’t even interested to find out if this so-called rights and privileges are in fact stated in the Constitution.
But, the issue on this topic very often brought up by certain parties for their own motives, which to me, is very unfortunate. I just can’t figure out the rational behind why ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ was challenged by non-Malays when Umno ‘kalah teruk’. The 12th GE shows that, in fact, it was the Malays that lead the rest of the non-Malays for the change they aspire.
Anwar is fully aware of the tactic of those in opposition camp and it was refreshing and assuring that he stressed on ‘Ketuanan Rakyat’. After 50 years of merdeka, Malaysia still harping on ‘Ketuanan Melayu’. Very sad.
April 16, 2008 at 11:03 am
Noyawns, I fully agree what you have said. Now I am worry that my next generation will become soon the “slaves” to the future king of Malaysia, when Tengku Faris will be in his turn to become the Next King. Anybody who is not malay (no more bumiputra), that means including the sabahans and sarawakians will be subjected as “2nd class citizens”. All of us except malays have no equal rights and priviledges in this country as given to our beloved malay citizens. I do not mean to offend the malays here as I know they are a lot of them are very mature and intelligent to interprete and disagree what the TF has said. I have not seen any ruling party or even the components voicing out the dissatisfaction of the racist discrimination that causes disharmony among other races. It is another black day ahead in the future.
April 16, 2008 at 11:04 am
same old thang…. time to migrate.
April 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Haris,
I fully agreed with your reply to Sentosaisland. Meritocracy is the key word here. Syabas to you.
April 16, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Dear Haris,
Umm…aah..What was it you are apologising for? Did you say anything wrong except to tell everybody something like: ‘Hey, let’s look at the evidence first before passing judgement’!.
Aah…Tengku Faris….No excuse for being naif or is it ignorant?
Aah…Tengku Faris….et tu!
Here’s looking at you Raja Nazrin!.
April 16, 2008 at 5:17 pm
dear sentosaisland,
I have alot of non Malay friends who would like to trade places with you just so they can buy 7% cheaper houses, better chances on scholarships and bank loans, …etc
bro, put yourself in their shoes for a day and see if you like it!
agreed with Haris stand that Malays today are not easily duped and must stand on its own.
April 16, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I’m a bit worried by this post and the last post made by Haris.
I find it hard to believe that such a prominent lawyer could make such a sweeping statement, possibly defamatory, against others.
Doesn’t Haris know how to check his facts? Doesn’t he has to prepare his cases?
This case has shown that blogging for lawyers is a double edge sword – potential clients should screen their lawyers blog first!
- Anonymous
Ala, anon, just because I apologised, does not mean I made sweeping, defamatory statements, lah.
Go and read the posts again. After that check Gatley on libel and slander.
April 16, 2008 at 10:21 pm
East Malaysians will tell him to go get ****** !!!
Then the Chinese and the Indians and Dan Lain2.
Api dalam sekam is what it is now.
Migrate ???
No way, have to give those racist mofos a run for the money.That includes someone with a title.Too bad.
April 17, 2008 at 2:32 am
tis a real sad thing,to be labelled as lower class,however,not to fret.Will be leaving soon for greener pastures(economic reasons,not running and not permanent).
Will do my best to promote Malaysia to others,tell them
to come and observe how this country is runned by their
so called upper class echelon.It will be a real eye opener for them,one of a kind.
April 17, 2008 at 2:54 pm
sentosaisland Says:
“Remember the Maybank fiasco on the memo to choose only bumi law firms? At least they issued a memo. Other bank didnt even bother. They just hire non-bumi law firms ONLY.”
Hello? Have you reached 13 years old to open a bank account? Do you know that among the ‘other bank’ you mentioned, only Public Bank & Hong Leong Bank are owned by non-bumiputra major shareholder?
April 17, 2008 at 3:25 pm
sentosaisland Says:
“Take the top 5 public listed construction companies and look at top 500 ranking employees in the management (not the window dressing Chairman) starting with the MD. How many Malays are there?”
There is no available data for the racial composition of the employees in the top 5 KLSE-listed construction companies. However, the list below indicates the major shareholder of the companies.
1. YTL – non-bumiputera
2. Gamuda – Perak Royal Family
3. IJM – Mokhtar al-Bukhary
4. UEM World – UMNO
5. WCT – non-bumiputera
“Yet these companies are getting billions of ringgit worth of govt (people) projects eg billion RM rail double tracking, city toll roads, toll tunnel.”
Rail Double Tracking = MMC(Mokhtar al-Bukhary) & Gamuda(Perak Royal Family)
City Toll Roads = You probably know who owns PLUS & Litrak
toll tunnel = if you mean SMART, it’s MMC-Gamuda JV
Steve,
Excellent
April 17, 2008 at 4:06 pm
“Do similar exercise on banks, private hospitals, and other services. Malays have no choice but to join lowly paid govt sector after being blank walled in corporate sector. The middle class are mostly non-Malays.”
I am pretty sure that you have never visited a chinese kampung(i.e. Serdang). If you ask anyone in those chinese kampung if they would accept a ‘lowly-paid govt job’ offer, I can guarantee you 99.99% that they would say yes.
“Can you name one Malay majority housing estate that can come close to Bandar Utama? With that kind of purchasing power? And how many “Bandars Utama” are there in Klang Valley? Who are actually the second class citizens?”
I would like to suggest Bangsar, but what’s the point to segregate the races by purchasing power?? It never make sense to me. If some people are willing to work hard and spend most, does it mean it is unfair to the rest of the people?
How about comparing the races of the owners of major retailers? Beside jusco(Japanese) & parkson(chinese), we have giant(sime darby), carrefour(N9 royal family), tesco(UK+sime darby) and mydin(you know who).
Steve,
Please keep it coming. I’m going to sit back and enjoy!
April 18, 2008 at 10:18 am
Steve,
The major “industries” in Malaysia are controlled by superior Malays, namely : Govt – UMNO, Banks – BanK Negara Malaysia,MAYBANK; Transport – MAS,KTM ; Shipping – MISC,LTAT (BNS); Oil & Gas – Petronas; Agriculture -SIME,BERNAS, IOI; AP permits and Protons. Universities – Malays, Police and Armed Forces – Malays. Not to mention those that you have already mentioned tokoh2 corporates – long lists. Yet, they claimed they are marginalised and need special rights and priviledge to compete. I do not know what to say.
April 18, 2008 at 10:56 am
The superior malays we have accepted long time ago, who are taking charge of :
Govt – Malays
Powrful Party UMNO – Malays
Bank Negara Malaysia – Malays
MAYBANK – Malays
Kehakiman – Malays
Attorney General – Malays
Armed Forces Service Chiefs – Malays
Police – IGP – Malays
Petronas – Malays
Highway Roads – Malays
Oil Palms – Malays
Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam – Malays
Universities – Malays
Air Transports MAS – Malays
MISC shipping – Malays
BURSA KL – Malays
etc etc etc…
well..who said we need NEP.