Rocky Bru, in an earlier post, took the view that Bala’s SD is ‘based on hearsay, a lot of hearsay’.

In my view, firstly, not quite.

Secondly, it must not be assumed that hearsay is per se inadmissible for all purposes.

Let’s first try to clear up what is hearsay.

Section 60(1), Evidence Act, 1950 provides :

Oral evidence shall in all cases whatever be direct, that is to say -

(a) if it refers to a fact which could be seen, it must be the evidence of a witness who says he saw it;

(b) if it refers to a fact which could be heard, it must be the evidence of a witness who says he heard it;

(c) if it refers to a fact which could be perceived by any other sense or in any other manner, it must be the evidence of a witness who says he perceived it by that sense or in that manner;

(d) if it refers to an opinion or to the grounds on which that opinion is held, it must be the evidence of the person who holds that opinion on those grounds.

Let’s say I brag to Rajraman that I had stolen a pair of jeans from the local mall.

Rajraman now reads that I have been charged with the theft of a pair of jeans and, as is rightly so, feels it his bounden duty to come forward and give evidence as to what he knows.

Would his evidence of what I told him be hearsay?

Well, yes and no.

It would be hearsay and inadmissible if the purpose of the evidence is to prove that I stole the jeans, because Rajraman would not be giving evidence in this regard of what he himself had seen ( see section 60 (1) (a) above ).

It would not be hearsay if the purpose was to prove what was said in the conversation with me ( see section 60 (1) (b) above ). This might amount to circumstantial evidence and, if admitted, its value, if any, would depend on the weight the court gives to such evidence.

However, that would not be the end of the matter.

Shar101 is now charged with theft of rose cuttings.

If Rajraman were to go to court to give evidence against Shar101 in relation to that offence, what Shar101said to Rajraman would be inadmissible as evidence to prove that Shar101 had stolen rose cuttings as such evidence could only be given by one who witnessed it himself or herself.

Look at Bala’s SD, which Howsy has posted HERE .

I’d agree that the following would be hearsay insofar as the truth of what is alleged in these statements go, and would, at best, be admissible to prove that this was what Bala heard in his conversations with the various parties alluded to in these statements.

Para 5 – that ARB received a harassing phone call from a Chinese man calling himself ASP Tan who had threatened him to pay his debts.

Para 7 - that Altantuya Shaaribuu had been given some powers by a Mongolian ‘bomoh’

Para 10 – that Altantuya Shaaribuu was a great liar and good in convincing people. She was supposed to have been very demanding financially

Para 13 – Suras managed to control the situation and had persuaded Altantuya and her two friends to leave the premises. However Altantuya left a note written on some Hotel Malaya note paper, in English, asking Abdul Razak Baginda to call her on her handphone (number given) and wrote down her room number as well

Para 14 – Altantuya had introduced herself to Suras as ‘Aminah’ and had informed Suras she was there to see her boyfriend Abdul Razak Baginda.

Para 15 – These 3 Mongolian girls however returned to Abdul Razak Baginda’s office at the Bangunan Getah Asli, Jalan Ampang again, the next day at about 12.00 noon. They did not enter the building but again informed Suras that they wanted to meet Aminah’s boyfriend, Abdul Razak Baginda.

Para 18 – the 3 Mongolian girls recognized Suras. They become friends with Suras after that and he ended up spending a few nights in their hotel room.

Para 37 - ARB called DSP Musa Safri

Para 39 - ARB had been advised to lodge a police report about the harassment he was receiving from these Mongolian girls.

Para 40 - Amy had sent the same SMS to ARB.

Para 41 – DPS Musa Safri had introduced ARB to one DSP Idris, the head of the Criminal division, Brickfields police station, and that Idris had referred him to ASP Tonny.

Para 48 – Bukit Aman had apparently retrieved the sms message “delay her until my man arrives”from ARB’s handphone.

Para 51 - ARB had sent Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak an SMS the evening before.

Para 53 - ARB was arrested the same morning at his office in the Bangunan Getah Asli, Jalan Ampang

Except for what Altantuya is supposed to have disclosed to Bala and is narrated in the SD, and which I propose to deal with in another post, the rest of the SD, and in particular that which relates to Bala’s sworn statements relating to the suppression by the police of what he had disclosed whilst in remand, and the fact that the prosecution never touched on these matters during his evidence-in-chief, are all matters well within Bala’s own personal knowledge and which would come within the meaning of direct evidence as described in Section 60 above.

23 Responses to “Hearsay and speaking from the grave (1)”

  1. tamade Says:

    Haris, you are right. I think Bala’s statement and SD1 carries credentials.

    He was a former cop, specialised in conducting investigation. I believe he has maintained clear records of his investigations on the murder case. These are strong evidences against those who are involved.

    I believe he is a victim of circumstances, under duress of unseen evil hands which are extremely powerful that many Guomen top brass are willing to sell their souls in collaborating with that evil man.

    Bala and his family must be protected. If anything were to happen to them, the sins of the parties concerned can never be redeemed and the Law of Karma will haunt them and their many generations forever.

  2. kamal Says:

    Well. Bala doesn’t have to be put under duress to make the first SD. He just needs to be paid, enough for him to relocate and live happily overseas.

  3. Gunumaro Says:

    You will be liwated if you do something that you should not have done – especially when you try to slot-in a murder case to hijack a liwat case.

  4. citizenken Says:

    Dear haris,

    i have been following ur blog for sometimes. i think u are just a cynical critic, ur are neither pro BN nor pro anwar and PR. u did mention in the star that u dont trust anwar. it not about anwar , it about the current BN must be replace immediately.as for me, i can cope with an alleged bisexual but i cannot bear a murderer UMNO who corrupted to the core which controls the IGP and the AG to commit their crime.
    the point is u r sitting on the fences , along the centreline and its irritating to see u critizing both ends.there will never be a perfect goverment.so pls choose the lesser evil and rally on that support.
    we know u dont trust anwar leadership either, but who should be the one leading malaysia now. ketuanan rakyat or ketuanan UMNO.if u dont make a choice, u will forever remain a cynical critic and u will looks like a bitter, resentful, distrustful critic who will critise for the sake of critising.

  5. azisirikit Says:

    Funny ya! He just disappear! Making the case more interesting! Najib! How?

  6. matt Says:

    Well as it goes in Malaysia any hearsay will end up as the truth and i think bala was threatened into the second sd the pictures say it all.

  7. su Says:

    My analysis was not as detailed, or as “legal” as yours, but we pretty much came up with the same conclusion. Bala’s first SD was not enough to PROVE that Najib had anything to do with Altantuya, but is definitely enough to cast doubts on the investigation, and on Najib’s denials of ever knowing her.

    I’ll be waiting for part (2).

  8. temenggong Says:

    Rocky is not clear on legalities. Every SD is evidence.

    The information provided in the SD1 could only come from Bala. It could not come from a fabrication. It took a week to prepare the SD1 and Bala had all the time to double check and rethink. The info can be corroborated by Baginda and Tan who worked for Altantuya. A judge can quite easily establish the truth in the SD, if he wants to.

  9. rajraman666 Says:

    Yaa,rajraman heard alot of hear say about you haris.
    I am became so famous in your minds as you become so famous in mine.(or rajraman is punching bags for everyone)

    Rajraman will play a strategic war game when come to people in power,rajraman will never use the correct2 court,rajraman will never play political game because rajraman is nobody.
    Rajraman will use proxy and you are my proxy haris.

    rajraman.BALA IS AN IDIOT AND ANWAR TROWN HIM TO THE BUAYA.IF U HAVE BALA HP NO.ASK BALA TO TAKE OUT THE BATTERY AND DESROY THE PHONE if he still alive.

  10. Mr. Smarties Says:

    This Rajraman guy is quite a character!

  11. Paul Warren Says:

    The twister for me is Razak Baginda and his family’s silence over Bala’s first SD. Baginda can corroborate most of it. Especially, “Yes, I told Bala this or that. I showed Bala the sms from Najib telling him that he was seeing the IGP..and to remain cool”.

    Bala’s first SD benefits Baginda hugely, I believe. It also possibly benefits the two other UTK accuseds. Yet their lawyers, nor their families are doing or saying anything to ride on that SD. Why?

    Do all the accuseds already know the outcome of the prosecution case so that there is really nothing to worry and it is not necessary to churn any more shit?

    Maybe, Haris, you could try furthering on possible outcomes should Razak Baginda provide the necessary corroboration for all of the SD1 points that were reversed by the SD2. Why on earth would Baginda want to remain silent at this stage so that at least in the court of public opinion he gains sympathy? Why would his family remain silent?

  12. Anonym08 Says:

    Harris,
    Why did bala choose to announce his first SD with anwar and pkr? Why not on his own?
    Also, who is this lawyer americk sing sidhu? Is he msian? He talks like an englishman. Is he also ai/pkr lawyer?

    Anonym08,

    Americk is Malaysian.

    Good man.

    don’t know if he is AI / PKR’s lawyer.

  13. kesava Says:

    ‘The Prime Minister’

    On the day Razak Baginda was formally charged November 16 for abetment of the Mongolian woman’s murder, the accused’s wife was reported to have exclaimed that her husband has been framed, and made an outburst in the court compound, that:

    “He is a good man. He is not the Prime Minister of this country. He doesn’t want to be one.

    “He is not interested in all that.”

    What’s the riddle in bringing up the context of ‘Prime Minister? None of the Media that reported it has explained it.

    http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/11/feeding_the_media.php

    That is pointing to Najib. Rocky is bending backwards on “hearsay”.

  14. chi8 Says:

    Michael Zander once quoted (correct me if I’m wrong)…”hearsay can be the best evidence”. This essentially mean that in the absence of any other evidence, hearsay, though inadequate as it is, may be the only evidence available and therefore it is up to the courts to put the necessary weightage to it.

  15. Kenny Gan Says:

    “Why did bala choose to announce his first SD with anwar and pkr? Why not on his own?
    Also, who is this lawyer americk sing sidhu? Is he msian? He talks like an englishman. Is he also ai/pkr lawyer?”

    Americk Singh Sidhu has replied to both points. He said, “where else can he take this to? He would have got nowhere if he had taken it to Umno HQ at PWTC. We have to be realistic about this”.

    On his political affiliation, he said that he is apolitical and is not a member of any political party.

  16. Kenny Gan Says:

    Razak Baginda is waiting for the court’s decision on whether his defense will be called. Silence gives him more power now.

  17. mwrmmg Says:

    no need to hear about all these hearsay.

    JMD has got a very logical explanation of the July 1st SD

    http://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/

    Its really that simple…

  18. rajraman666 Says:

    Lets talk of hear say haris,
    BLOGGERS HOUSE DONATION.

    All the time i am thinking bloggers/famous bloggers like you/zorro/rocky balboa and robin hood are free from any political influence.

    My hear say from someone told me different view.
    There are some politically connected people and cronies of BN are there.

    Just hearsay from me.Whats the hell they are so interested in you guys?
    Are they brought a full gunny sack of $ to buy some bloggers for their future campaign?
    Are this famous parasite you all need to show off?

    rajraman.AWARD ME A JOB WHICH COST $100,000.00,BUT ALLOW ME TO MARK UP MY PROFIT TO $1,000.000.00.I ALSO CAN DONATE $500,000.00 TO BUY SOME OF U,BECAUSE ITS NOT MY MONEY BUT I SUCK THE EASY $ FROM TAX PAYER.

    MR.SMARTIES…rajraman is a run away train.

    Haris.Next time dont steal the jeans but steal millions from the Parasite,so i can share some with u,so rajraman can BOLIH HILANG DARI TAK BOLIH MALAYSIA.TAK ADA CASE ON YOU WHEN rajraman hilang macam MAGNUM PI BALA THE IDIOT.

    countdown 29days.stale rava thosai

  19. rajraman666 Says:

    haris,
    Anwser me please,is it true some big guns are there?
    What your standing on this big guns are there in your view point?
    rajraman.The spade.

    rajraman,

    Sorry, don’t quite understand the question.


  20. Dear Haris,do you know that even the famed Justice Bao Zheng(Northern Song Dynasty) agreed to accept hearsay as evidence in the absence of any witness to a crime,if this hearsay is credible enough?

    Many a down trodden folk found justice under the fair judge who could tell which hearsay is true and which is false.Even the powerful were not spared from his determination to mete out justice.

    Alas,too bad we don’t have a Justice Bao here!!For more info on him,go to Google!


  21. Hey answer me on this one!

    If Arulampalam is not Bala’s lawyer and is said to only a representative, Which legal firm was he representing?
    The SD is traced to a legal firm known as Zul Rafique & Partners, where the SD was signed before a Commisioner of Oaths. This firm is a large one with over 20 partners, they have their own inhouse Commisioner of Oaths and Notary Publics. It is very very very rare for a lawyer not practising in that firm to use the firms Commisioner of Oaths as there are thousands of them in KL.
    Zul Rafique is the elder brother of Zul Hasnan the Wilayah Perseketuan Minister. (Also said to be involved in a 700 million scandle). It is also believed that this legal firm expanded since the elder brother Zul Rafique became the Deputy Minister of the F teritories a few years ago. They have grown so big that they even have an Ofshore Oil and Gas Department. Mind you such a department is not going to entertain a shell kiosk operators legal problems. Such a department is there to handle matters for say Petronas! Federal Ministers like Nazri, the then Law minister even visits this firm! So it is a fact that this firm has many ministrial connections with the BN Government.

    Zul Rafiquue and or his partners were in such a rush to finalise the second SD that they overlooked the consequence of using their own Commissioner of Oaths. So do we see evil raising its ugly head again.

    ARE WE LOOKING AT A REAL CONSPIRACY? Does anybody know the connection between Arulampalam and Zul Rafique?

    Micheal Zander is right and it is a fact in the law of evidence that circumstansial evidence is admisable as it fills up gaps left by the inavailability of direct evidence. But its got to be CIRCUMstansial. And by Jove in the present political bickerings by the government we have great volumes of circumctansial evidence which makes it so overbearing.

    I personally feel that the change of Bala’s mind has been ochestrated by some big guns in the Cabinet.

    Again, does anybody know the connection between Arulampalam and Zul Rafique and or his senior partners? If there is then my Theory STANDS. Lets send the Altantuya…. murderers to hell!

    James’ whatheblog,

    I’ve not seen any evidence or statement out there that suggests the 2nd SD was prepared by the firm in whose premises the Commissioner of Oaths operates from.

    Could it be that this was an assumption that you made?

  22. kimlye Says:

    Dear Haris,

    With reference to mobile telephone conversations, how could it be ‘Hearsay”? The mobile telecommunication in our country is based on the international standard, namely GSM for Celcom and Maxis and PCN for Digi. The technicalities of establishing a mobile call is no doubt complicated but well established. It is subjected to SS7 signaling protocol. It has Call Data Records (‘CDR’). It contains details such as where the call is originated, the mobile phone birth ceritificate (International Mobile Equipment Identity or IMEI, International Mobile Subscriber Identity or IMSI) among other details. Such raw data (electronic records) is not easily deleted as compared to imigration database. This CDR is crossed referenced to the telco Billing system where you find more friendly data such as customer details. Therefore, it is a commercial record/document where the telco collects money for the services it rendered. Should the telco keep such record as required by our law? I hope so.

    Therefore, the SD statements in relation to mobile converstation, incluging SMS, could be established if they had taken place.

    Somebody is dead. So, if the fact could be established from the ‘Hearsay’, the ‘Hearsay’ is in fact a fact.

    Good day.

    kimlye,

    I am a dinosaur playing in technopark. This is all greek to me

  23. rajraman666 Says:

    haris,
    why do you posted my 8.34 pm.?
    I wrote
    just delete will do.

    Maybe you posted without moderating or u are also under duress/stress moderating alone.
    rajraman.I had to be more carefull next time when i brags to my self appointed Dr.Haris Ibrahim.

    Sorry, Deleted now


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