Did you read RPK’s ‘How, yet again, they are trying to fabricate evidence against Anwar’?

Amongst other things, this is what RPK said :

‘Hold on awhile though. Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said that Anwar must volunteer his ‘new’ DNA profile. The 1998 DNA profile that the police have on record is ‘too old’, argued Abdullah. The police, in turn, said that if Anwar refuses to volunteer his ‘new’ DNA profile then they would have to obtain a court order to force him to do so. Hmm…..there appears to be many things wrong with all this’.

Indeed, many things certainly appear to be wrong.

Let’s backtrack.

Saiful lodged his police report on the evening of 26th June, 2008. At 5.45pm, to be precise, according to RockyBru.

That same night, Malaysiakini carried a report of this new sodomy episode, timestamped at 11.03pm.

In the RockyBru post linked above, which was posted a little after noon the following day, a copy of Saiful’s report to the police is reproduced.

This is an excerpt from Saiful’s report :

‘Perkara ini berlaku tanpa kerelaan saya. Kejadian terakhir berlaku 26/6/08 di Unit 1151, Kondominium Desa Damansara, Jln Setia Kasih, KL’ Oleh itu, tujuan laporan ini dibuat untuk mendapat pembelaan dan keadilan keatas diri saya’.

In substance, he claims to have been raped more than once, the last occasion being on 26th June. Read somewhere else that he claims that in all, it happened 8 times.

Now, social workers who deal with rape victims will tell you that such victims will vacillate between feelings of shame, guilt, depression and rage.

Some, with the help of counsellors, come round to seeing it for what it is, and feel the need to see the perpetrator brought to bookto enable them to move on with their lives.

Some may take the law into their own hands.

Most will turn to the law.

And they lodge their police reports.

Which Saiful did.

My first question, though, is who made Saiful’s report public that Saturday evening?

Saiful, those who were lending him support, or the police?

In his report, Saiful says he makes the report to get justice for himself, and not that he wants to prevent the perpetrator doing the same to others. If it was the latter, I could understand him going public with the report, but his reasons are personal unto himself. He wants justice for himself.

Did Saiful publicise the report, and if so, why? What would motivate an alleged victim of forced sodomy to publicise his police report?

Or those lending moral support to Saiful? Who? Why?

The police? If so, why?

I have no answers, so let me move on to the next ‘thing’ that appears to be not right.

On 30th June, police forensics did a sweep of the apartment in which the last assault is alleged to have taken place – see the Malaysiakini report.

Then on 2nd July, NST online reported that police had classified Saiful’s case as one of sodomy. The report suggests that this was based on medical examinations of Saiful that turned up evidence of anal penetration. The report went on to further say that stool samples had been taken by doctors for further investigation.

Two weeks ago, at a dinner in KL, I was told by someone whose credibility I have no reason to question that he had been informed by a minister that this time they had ‘incontrovertible evidence’. CCTV footage and DNA profiles that matched.

I made calls to a few people in UMNO. They were saying the same.

‘Anwar’s going to hang this time’, one said.

Then last Wednesday, Anwar got arrested. This was already expected.

What was also expected was a remand order of a few days, after which , off to court to be charged.

It did not happen.

Why?

They need Anwar’s DNA and he refused to give a blood sample.

What happened to the ‘incontrovertible evidence’?

What happened to Anwar’s DNA profile of 1998?

‘Too old’, says Flip-Flop.

Too old for what?

RPK speculates :

‘Yes, in September 1998 they already took Anwar’s specimen. But they can’t use it as evidence in this latest sodomy allegation. They need to ‘update’ the evidence and unless they can force Anwar to give them his new specimen then the evidence will be shot full of holes’

Check out these views of some Malaysiakini readers :

‘To put it bluntly, a blood or serum specimen from DSAI could be introduced by catheter into the rectum of the complainant (or mixed in vitro ie. with Saiful’s specimen outside of the body in a test tube) and any sample taken from Saiful will show the presence of Anwar’s DNA. Thus Anwar will be found to guilty of sodomy’ – DR PR

‘It was the joke of the century when the PM commented on the DNA. The funny part is he got the facts wrong. When the experts collect blood samples the get the coding, it is translated into a chart which is on permanent record. This record is done once, and that’s it. It is something like profiling a blood test. If you are in the group of A+, then you are forever A+. It is unnecessary to withdraw blood to get the grouping after 10 years or 20 years. The grouping will not change. Likewise, DNA profiling is permanent. The idea that the current government and police force need to have Anwar’s blood for new DNA profiling is illogical. This simply shows the lack of knowledge among this group of people and to paint bad picture about DSAI refusing to allow blood sample taken from him’ – Dr. Nedu

In other countries, convicted sex criminals are DNA profiled and recorded so that in future, semen samples obtained from victims of rape may be profiled and checked against those records maintained by the police.

Have samples taken from Saiful been DNA profiled? If they have, do they match Anwar’s DNA profile from 1998? If so, charge him. If there is no match between Saiful’s DNA-profiled samples and Anwar’s 1998 DNA profile, how would a fresh sample help in investigations?

Only the police can answer this.

One last ‘thing’ that does not seem right.

The PC by Saiful’s lawyer yesterday.

This has to be the first time that the father of an alleged victim of ‘rape’ goes public to appeal to the alleged perpetrator to co-operate with the police.

This is the clearest evidence that this whole episode is turning into a circus.

71 Responses to “Conspiracy, Dear Watson!”

  1. peng Says:

    It seems that you have been doing some detective work when you are supposed to be resting in bed? Naughty but thanks for this enlightening entry.


  2. Glad to have you back with the living, my friend.

    Imtiaz,

    Hear Rais Yatim is walking around the office muttering to himself about how he got sodomised in the Malay Mail today.

    You wouldn’t happen to know anything about this, would you?

  3. su Says:

    RPK’s theory is a very exciting one, I think. But ‘conspiracy theory’ aside, it points out the very mistakes that the BN officials are making.

    That Anwar be asked to “resubmit” his DNA sample, as it were, for whatever reasons can only be seen in bad light for BN. It either shows that they don’t know that DNA profiles are kept and never change no matter how long (read:lack of knowledge), or they were seriously wanting to re-profile the DNA sample, simply because they didn’t keep the profile (read:lack of good management and professionalism).

    I also remember reading somewhere that they said they had video evidence. I wonder why they haven’t charged Anwar for it yet if that’s the case. A video evidence is surely hard evidence enough. Once charged, I would assume it’s much easier to get whatever DNA sample they want from Anwar.

    Saiful’s lawyer was slightly edgy, methinks. And who was this “uncle Pet”? Note that he’s identified as [Saiful's "uncle Pet"], not [Saiful's uncle "Pet"]. Who is he really? Why was he at the press conference, and not the father himself?


  4. KEEP ON “BLOGGING” MATE! IF MALAYSIA IS FULL OF THINKING PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WE WOULD BE THE WORLD’S CAPITAL.

  5. smalldoggy Says:

    And the govt is pushing for the DNA Bill now. Not last year, not two years ago, or 10 years ago. I wonder why…:)

  6. Batty Says:

    Glad you have recovered!
    It is such a sad state we are in! In the midst of global recession, good governance seem to be lost in the mire of cross-overs, bent-overs, gloss-overs!!!
    There is an old Chinese saying that “when the kings are greedy for the throne, they see neither the land nor the people”.

  7. fergie Says:

    Great to have you back again, Mr Haris. We missed you. That was a quick recovery. The “plot” thickens as Saiful’s father is in the picture now and what’s with the “uncle Pet” as Su asked.

    fergie,

    Great to be back. Missed you guys big time!

  8. SweJenn Says:

    DNA is only as reliable as the person collecting it and the persons testing it. If they are not reliable, careful, competent, or ethical, it can be deemed unreliable.If the test results are not identical, then it should not be allowed in as evidence to convict someone.

  9. barry Says:

    Welcome back, Haris. Hope you will stay healthy.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that the Chemistry Dept has Anwar’s DNA profile, so all this cock and bull talk about getting his DNA sample, by the sleeping idiot no less, to the extent of implementing new laws, is just too much insult even to a fool like yours truly. If the alleged (by RPK) RM25k part did take place, on what basis were they celebrating, other than the DNA evidence? After all, the Chemistry Dept is all about DNA, no? Then, why the need for ‘newer’ DNA (just to further insult my intelligence)? My mind races with pictures of Saiful being ‘penetrated’ in his rear hole with Anwar’s blood.

  10. ct Says:

    Haris, the antibiotics did wonders to you. glad you are up and about. Methink what the bn ppl should have done is to do some research on the world wide web about dna profiling. They dont read enuf, that’s their problem. And pak lah should sack his adviser for giving him info about dna being “old” snigger snigger. Aduh kebodohan pemimpin kita menjengkelkan,

  11. Animah Says:

    Welcome back!

    Perhaps Uncle Pet is Saiful’s business partner…

    Check the Uncle at the tail end of the video clip. Was wondering if …

  12. shteh Says:

    Mr Haris,

    Nice to have you back again. Missed your postings the last few days.

    This sodomy case is again turning into a circus, as in the previous case in 1998. Now, Saiful’s lawyer said he will be holding a watching brief for Saiful if DSAI is charged, does this mean that Saiful won’t be charged?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but in Malaysia aren’t both parties ‘involved’ in the sodomy incident charged? From the lawyer’s PC, it appears that Saiful will not be charged. Something fishy, right?

    shteh,

    Missed you guys.

    Saiful says he was forcibly sodomised. If true, he’s a victim and will not be charged.

  13. Why Cares Says:

    Legally, a reasonable doubt had been created.
    DSAI should be set free.
    DSAI’s Police bail should be cancelled.
    The BN Govt should apologise to DSAI & pay billions as compensation.
    Saiful must be charged for making a false Police Report.
    Syariah Court should convict Saiful under Syariah Law.

  14. gregwar Says:

    Glad that you are back. Unlike others you tell stuff as it is and not color it with one-sided views like some “famous” bloggers who seem want to paint their own picture of things. Have we not enough of such stuff in the MSM?
    Your latest analysis gives a lot of food for the thinking person.
    God be with you always!

    gregwar,

    God be with you, too

  15. scout Says:

    “When the experts collect blood samples the get the coding, it is translated into a chart which is on permanent record. This record is done once, and that’s it. It is something like profiling a blood test.”

    That was exactly what I thought when I read about the PM saying that the DNA profile that they had was too old. And I learned this from movies and TV. Go figure.

    Anyways, good to have you back Haris!

    Glad to be back, scout

  16. Avtaran Says:

    Welcome back Haris. Don’t strain yourself too much.

    This police report and many other cases are all suspect due to the incompetency of the authorities. Even if it is above board, the authorities always have their foot in the mouth! Just wondering if Anwar is actually a bisexual like the rumours that had been circulating many years before 1998? And if the rumours are true, will it have an impact on Anwar’s standing in Pakatan Rakyat?

  17. Maverick Says:

    Fairdinkum ,
    I personally think that this poofter who is a dropout could live in a posh apartment says it all. Who is the fund raiser for this fella and get this mole to spit it out in open court. Let this be the last laugh for the bn & umno conspiracy and bury them in hell once and for all.

  18. TJ Says:

    Dear Haris, welcome back and damn the virus!

    This silly sodomy claim is getting sillier by the day. There are so many holes in this story that I think my smelly old holey sock looks practically brand new beside it. For example -

    1. one wonders what took Saiful so long to lodge the report if indeed he has been sodomised many times before. Perhaps he enjoyed it? If yes, then both should be charged. No?

    2. and to think that he voluntarily present himself at the condominium in the first place;

    3. and got buggered against his will by a 60 yo man with bad back. Haha, my 8 year old niece can write a better story;

    4. the story about Najib being Dear Theresa for Saiful is laughable. To me this alone is enough to cast the whole sad story in irreversible doubt;

    5. half the police force despatched to bring Anwar in for questioning – amazing. Simply amazing;

    6. almost the whole cabinet asking for Anwar to provide his DNA sample to prove his innnocence. Haha….he is not even charged and what is there to disprove? Then again, aren’t we supposed to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise?

    7. and we are still waiting for Anwar to be charged;

    8. people, you can add to my list.

    Enough said, I think. To me, case close.

    Even if Anwar is a homosexual or bisexual, honestly, I do not give a damn. This is his private affair and something between him, his wife and family. None of my bloody business or anyone else’s.

    As if the other politicians are virgin pure. Puhleez. Gimme a break. I am sure many have poked their thing into all sorts of holes and crevices sometime or other.

    I believe in Anwar for the hope that he brings. Hope of less corruption and a better Malaysia. His sex live is totally irrelevant to me.

  19. ALEX Says:

    In 1998 Anwar’s DNA was used for two purposes:

    i. to verify the semen samples found on the mattress. Syamsidar’s semen stains were also found on the mattress alongside Anwar’s. After Anwar was thus publicly embarrased, the charge was amended and the mattress disappeared. Anwar says his semen/DNA on that mattress was ‘faked’. He says that when he was in Police custody, beaten up and such, the cops somehow extracted his semen/DNA sample and planted it on the mattress. But how was Syamsidar’s semen ‘faked’ onto the same mattress in 1998? Syamsidar is Azmin’s wife, she was never arrested or beaten up.

    ii. Then secondly Anwar and Syamsidar’s DNA were also used to verify the parentage of Afifah – Syamsidar’s young daughter at that time. The DNA showed that Anwar was NOT the father. The Police ruled out Anwar as the father.

    But wouldn’t it be fun if Anwar’s DNA taken today in 2008 DOES NOT match his sample taken in 1998 to verify the child’s paternity? Bear in mind that the paternity test only ruled out Anwar as the father. It did not determine who was the child’s father (We assume it is Azmin).

    But back to 2008 – Saiful lodged his police report at 5:45pm on Thurs 26th June. By Sat 28th June, Saiful’s Police report appeared in the Blogs (Rocky’s Bru). How did it leak out to the Blogs? Who was the link?

    More pertinently, by Friday 27 June a portfolio of four of Saiful’s photographs appeared on Malaysia Today. Other news media soon reproduced these pictures from Malaysia Today.

    These were the shots showing Saiful with Azalina, Shahrir, Mustapa Mohd and at Najib’s office. Obviously these photos were taken at different places and at different times.

    Consider this : Saiful is not Britney Houston or even a Pak Lah – whose every public appearance is photographed.

    So the question is who was going to the trouble of carefully keeping pictures of a relatively unknown college dropout student leader who would just happen to make a Police report against Anwar some day? Answer: Saiful of course.

    But would Saiful, the sodomy victim, release four different pictures of himself to the public, and that too on an obviously pro Pakatan, pro Anwar website like Malaysia Today?

    Or was it someone else who had been painfully compiling pictures of Saiful?

    Raja Petra Kamarudin would know who gave him the pictures. Rocky too would know how he got the Police report and how he got the picture of Saiful in the bedroom with ‘Pink Mary Jane’.

    Anwar says Najib set him up on this sodomy charge. Unlikely.
    Others say Anwar cooked up the whole thing to get sympathy. Unlikely.
    So who?

    If the sodomy charge sticks, Anwar is taken out of the equation.

    If Raja Petra’s case implicates Najib, Najib is taken out of the equation.

    Pak Lah is a gone case.

    Looks like Najib, Anwar and Pak Lah are history. So who stands to benefit most? Tengku Razaleigh? Did Ku Li set up the sodomy charges against Anwar? Highly unlikely.

    Muhyuddin Yassin, the VP who wants to be No. 2? Did Muhyuddin set up the sodomy charge? Unlikely.

    Leaving only who?

    Who is using who? Who is being manipulated? Remember this song. The words go something like this:

    Sweet dreams are made of these.
    Who has a mind to disagree.
    Some of them want to use you.
    Some of them want to be used.
    Some of them want to abuse you.
    Some of them want to be abused.

    By coincidence or not, the Lion sleeps in the jungle tonite.

  20. iskandar Says:

    An interesting theory,glad that it is in favour to DSAI, Every statement made by the PM,Saiful,Najib or Syed Hamid has infact helped DSAI. They contradic their own statements, Firstly, the PM assured of the fairness of the Police force but yet again he has made a called for DSAI to submit a DNA sample. How does he expect people like us, to think otherwise. As for Saiful, he only feels he is a victim, honestly, i really feel that we or the authorities should pay more attention and seek justice for the horrible death of nini and her parents. For god sake , Saiful is a guy, so what if he has been poked,if at all it happen.

  21. Mr Smith Says:

    This is one country where the PM and his cabinet members are all sinless. They have the God given right to throw stones at the one who has sinned.
    Just imagine how on earth is it possible to sodomise an able bodied young man, not once, but eight times?
    And mind you, the victim, is cheerful as ever, with his girlfriend cheering him on as though he is a hero.

  22. Muda Says:

    DNA is just corroborative evidence and nothing else . If the victim’s credibility and demeanour is shaken and rejected by the courts , plus sloppy investigations will bury any case before it comes to court ! No amount of DNA will be of much help to the persecutors … err I mean the prosecutors .

  23. matt Says:

    After viewing video i think uncle pet did it and looks like now got no chace as the cops got him lol.

    matt,

    The thought had crossed my mind, in truth.

  24. Volcano Says:

    What a joke? What kind of father is this.? Why the father who wants to holds a press conference is not free to attend? Aiya, go and fly kite la…I just can’t figure out what the f**k is the father hoping to achieve?

  25. faiplay Says:

    Harris, I read you mentioned it happened 8 times. Was all 8 times done forcefully? Sounds funny and smells stinky. He must have had enjoyed so much being sodomised that he felt so itched the last time that he decided to make a police report. I don’t buy the reason. I suspect it could have been done by whoever he last met before the police report with the use of something hard which is up to your imagination. Why shouldn’t he be the first to charged?

    faiplay,

    Can’t remember where I read that, though.


  26. Dear Brother Haris

    Hey,you have been reading Sherlock Holmes when you are down with rhinitis and fever,haven’t you?But they are good,aren’t they?At least they make better sense than what we are having now.

    Even that old devil can’t help condemning the present BN clowns for using the same plot and making the same stupid mistakes.

    Me thinks our detective story is beginning to change into a hilarious comedy which even Shakespeare is incapable of conjuring up.

    Very good to have you back,Haris,life is not so boring with you around!Thanks,brother and may God keep you strong and healthy.

    I like chopin,

    Glad to be back.

    God watch over you, too

  27. Fong Says:

    You need 100 lies to cover the first lie!
    Ha ha !

  28. AuntyG Says:

    RPK said that the doctor refused to doctor his report to implicate Anwar. Thank God there is still a good
    Doctor around!!

    And we have the PM who says that 10-year old DNA is too old, hence they should get fresh DNA?? Perhaps the PM’s brain is also too old, and hence he should get a new brain??

    If indeed its a conspiracy to fix Anwar, its not just a conspiracy, Dear Watson. Its EVIL.

  29. Leithaisor Says:

    Haris,

    Methinks your train of thought, comprehensive it may be, seems to have missed a major station – the continued reluctance of the authorities to provide Anwar with a copy of Saiful’s report.

    Which, as Sivarasa pointed out, is “elementary natural justice” that an accused “should have sight of the accusation, before being called upon to explain anything”.

    Sivarasa also said that “”Section 51A of the CPC as referred to by the deputy IGP is totally not
    applicable at this stage”, referring to the defence offered by Ismail Omar in answer to why Anwar is still denied a copy of the report.

    (Ref: “No more waffling, we want the police report NOW”
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/86494 )

    And Anwar has already stated, what to me is the BIG question:

    Anwar and his lawyers have complained that they are
    kept in the dark of the details in the police report made
    by Saiful, which raises fears that the police report could
    be amended depending on the opposition leader’s
    answers.

    “Is it so that they can keep amending and amending and
    amending it to fit in with the statement that I have just given
    to them?” asked Anwar last week.

    “If they give the report to me now, how am I supposed to
    know that it is the original? Are they waiting to make up the
    ‘perfect’ police report?”

    I am not a lawyer, so perhaps you may be the best person to comment on that. But to this layman, surely the continued non-provision of Saiful’s report may possibly be grounds for any charge of sodomy against Anwar to be thrown out of court?

    Even if that is not so, to me, the holding back of the report is a massive 6-inch spike into the coffin of the BN govt’s credibility.

    Justice must be seen to be served, and served fairly and impartially.

  30. artic turban Says:

    HELLO HARRIS, GREETINGS FROM THE FAR NORTH, welcome back, may the blessings of my thousand camels and mooose be upon you, you happened to mention this in a earlier thread about the ‘pet uncle”
    ‘Check the Uncle at the tail end of the video clip. Was wondering if …..’
    I have been wondering where I have seen him before as he looks rather fetching…oops familliar, was it at selangor club…padang,or behind Cycle and carriage in jln TAR,or was it with some function with the likes of jaafar oon, tv3 artists fundraiser for a fellow sick artist in 2000, but can definatly say shim was dressed differently, wig, lip gloss, padded chest….hmmmmm.. can’t seem to recall, or was it the top of the head which looked familliar, never mind it will come back to me. meanwhile great to have you back.

  31. jokers Says:

    What sickened me most was, the PM made such a stupid statement
    that a layman can die of laughter. Instantly, followed by the whole flock of parrots harping on the same tune… the Botak, HM, with a brain in his as*,) the MCA bloke (finally found his voice), the enriched family of Saiful, (trying to project an innocent image of this upright, and beloved son…a money winner.) Gosh! What a show of unity for a shameful cause.
    Thank you YB Karpal, you have correctly zipped up the these hungry leeches up.

  32. doggone Says:

    Good to know you’re back Haris.

    First couple of frame off the video, I thought a lady was sitting next to the lawyer. Then I saw the way he daintily groom back his fallen lock with a finger.

    I would have thought Saiful’s father should be the one there, instead of ‘uncle Pet’ since the statement was from him. Was the reason for non-attendance the shame of sodomy or the sham of sodomy?

    Su’s observation was pretty sharp there. But looking at “uncle Pet” refine demeanor, I think he knows more about the sodomy charges than he’s willing to ‘admit’.

  33. chris chong Says:

    it’s really sad to see some malaysians still buying BN’s bullshit and evil plan

    i guess they have been living too long under the BN’s brutality.

  34. mugabe Says:

    This country and its economy needs somebody to manage FULL-TIME as there is recession and all manners of economic problems coming our way.

    So, may I suggest to the Deputy IGP and the Deputy AG to simply charge this Anwar Ibrahim with whatever So Do Me .

    Ask this Saiful bugger to to tell to the Court EAXACTLY what happen on the 26th June, 2008.

    ie. from 0001hours to 2400 hours.

    There is no need for DNA this and that evidence.

    So Dep IGP please instruct your Police Officers and that Lawyer Zamri Idrus to COACH Saiful to describe EXACTLY what happen.

    ie. including the SORDID detail of the penetration of penis into his anus or vice-versa.

    Find both guilty. Then , will somebody please, wake up Pak Lah we need a NEW DAN for a Prime Minister!.

    I rest my case .

  35. mugabe Says:

    sorry, we need a new DNA body and mind for Prime Minister the present one cannot be used mutant!

  36. MW Says:

    DNA or not, the perception of the Malaysian public is that They are out to Get Anwar. Even if they say new DNA implicates Anwar, the people will not believe it. Actually better for them to let the case rest. If they pursue and Anwar is arrested for this case, it will only look bad for Them, not Anwar. Only create more sympathy for Anwar. It is a stupid scheme in the first place, a lose-lose situation for Them.

  37. Paul Warren Says:

    Quite simply they have to produce whatever sample taken from Saiful that supposedly contains Anwar’s DNA. That they must have right now. After all Saiful is said to have claimed on the day he made the report that he was last sodomised on that same day. And presumably the hospital scrapped out some shit from his ass and they got “someone elses” DNA in Saiful’s shit!. Well they should be able to produce that reading to Anwar for his own control copy can’t they?

    Well, then I challenge the DUMBO of a Prime minister we have, produce that to an FBI or Scotland Yard team and give them Anwar’s DNA already in your file. If they can’t do the matches becasue it is blotched then Anwar can let themhave his DNA.

    After all it is important that at this time the police cannot deny that they do not have a sample taken from Saiful that contains alien DNA.

    Personally I think the police think only they know all these scitific and forensic things and teh rest of us do not. Of course they still have some dumbos for judges in our judicial system who can make irrelevant any thing at all just so they get a conviction.

  38. Muslim Says:

    Good news … Sinful father is engaging a laywer,call for a press conference, but he is was not presence,and and the Botak head is preparing the bill to be pass in the parliment on DNA.. He got his uncle Pet say” berani kerana benar”, Yes this what I think, now that sudah mulai “takut kerana sudah salah langkah” reason is actually nothing happen the whole conspiracy is going to fail,the police cannot provide the police report, there was no sodomy and did’nt happen, the whole of Malaysia,people think that someone up there has plan to destroy Anwar.they cannot stop the Pakatan Rakyat, Anwar is on the way to Putrajaya, and what is worring all BN minister is if this really happen they are onthe way to sungai Buloh.

  39. ahjamal Says:

    What is so important to the back hole of Saiful. Look like Malaysian need this back hole to stay afloat. He is only a a gay so are many more on the street. The government has run out of idea to run the country need this back hole to stay in power. Look like PM, DPM and UMNO has just gone crazy. The whole world is looking at our country .

  40. Crankshaft Says:

    Welcome back – nice to see you rabble rousing again. Always a sign of good health, methinks.

    This post was spectacular. This morning, I was discussing the necessity (or lack thereof) for the second DNA sample from Anwar.

    At this point, I think almost all Malaysians are convinced that the government is out to fabricate the evidence and put AI out of action, regardless of how.

  41. Crankshaft Says:

    Welcome back – nice to see you rabble rousing again. Always a sign of good health, methinks.

    This post was spectacular. This morning, I was discussing with my colleague about the necessity (or lack thereof) for the second DNA sample from Anwar.

    At this point, I think almost all Malaysians are convinced that the government is out to fabricate the evidence and put AI out of action, regardless of how.

  42. Paul Warren Says:

    I saw that video only just. That “uncle Pet” has “that” smile doesn’t he? And his voice!!??? So, maybe evenif he had not, Saiful might have got some expert advise about how he could achieve his sodomised aims!!!

  43. flyer168 Says:

    Dear Haris,

    You sure are working on “Overdrive” …good work & keep it up Bro.

    We must ALL focus on this….

    “Beyond Reasonable Doubt”

    “In a criminal trial the burden is upon the PROSECUTION to PROVE the guilt of the accused “Beyond any reasonable doubt”.

    This is where “Juries” exist in many nations where “Juries are DIRECTED that unless the EVIDENCE makes them SATISFIED so they are sure of guilt, their VERDICT must be one of NOT GUILTY.”

    Malaysia abolished the Jury system.

    Question: Who really NEEDS the DNA ???? WHY ???? Who will GAIN ???? At WHOSE expense ???? Is it inline with the CORRECT Rule of Law – Beyond any REASONABLE doubt ????

    A learned & Prominent good friend of mine sent this interesting article …which I hope you will find useful…
    Quote:

    “DNA isn’t the answer. Often it’s the problem.”

    The double helix genetic compilation known as DNA has become a double conundrum for rape victims in seeking justice in the courtroom. The problem stems from the public’s fascination with DNA and crime.

    dna testing 180708 – It’s commonly referred to as the ‘CSI effect’ so named for the trio of popular shows on CBS that solve crimes based on the tiniest fragment of DNA and scientific evidence.

    “People expect DNA or scientific evidence in every case and the reality is it doesn’t exist in most cases,” Sangamon County Assistant State’s Attorney Sheryl Essenburg said. “It’s very much the exception.”

    In fact, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reports that DNA is available in only 10-20 percent of cases. Therefore, DNA isn’t the silver bullet the general public expects and often it’s not even available to be fired.

    However, its presence or lack thereof is still a key issue at most jury trials. The jury expects DNA or scientific evidence, and the prosecution must educate the jury during each trial on the hazards of over anticipating the importance of science.

    “It’s a hurdle that in every jury trial we have to address, especially in child sexual abuse cases,” Essenburg said.

    Its presence is becoming an issue in adult cases as well. The case involving the Duke lacrosse team became a national debate when 46 of 47 team members were required to submit to DNA testing. When DNA matches were not found, the defense quickly jumped to the conclusion that a rape hadn’t occurred.

    “That leap is a misunderstanding of what DNA can and can’t prove,” said Michelle Anderson, a law professor at Villanova University. “DNA can prove sex occurred. DNA can’t prove that sex didn’t occur.”

    The DNA conundrum adds to the obstacles against victims achieving justice in the courtroom. It falls in the same category as the beliefs that victims of sexual assault are always physically injured during the assault.

    “This focus on DNA evidence seems to be in the historical line with the requirement for physical force,” Anderson said. “Rape cases are frequently low priority for prosecutors. They see them as difficult to obtain a conviction. Prosecutors are more concerned about their won-loss record than serving the victim of rape in a community.

    What is true across different jurisdictions is that prosecutors and police exercise particular scrutiny with rape victims that is historically excessive and today continues to be excessive.”

    Why isn’t DNA there?

    ambulance medical service 100907 – patient DNA might not be found in sexual assaults for a variety of reasons. Despite what television portrays, DNA and other scientific evidence isn’t waiting patiently to be snatched up and raced away for testing by a lab technician. The majority of victims do not report to the hospital so DNA evidence isn’t collected. And if a victim reports to a hospital, time can alter the findings.

    “DNA is only available when it has been reported after a few hours, not just DNA but any scientific evidence,” Essenburg said.

    Even if DNA is available, it can also be compromised throughout the chain of evidence, which often ventures into weeks and months instead of hours.

    “DNA evidence degrades rapidly,” Anderson said. “It is difficult to contain efficiently and handle effectively.”

    Also, there are simple reasons for the absence of DNA. The rapist may not have ejaculated inside or on the body of the victim. The rapist may not have ejaculated at all. The assailant may have used a condom during the attack. The assailant may have used an object to assault the victim.

    “People don’t understand that. They think rape is always a sexual act when it’s often about power and controlling someone else,” Anderson said.

    Stranger vs. Acquaintance

    The greatest benefit of DNA to rape victims comes in stranger rape cases. DNA samples can be used to match with convicted offenders or help string together evidence in a serial rape case. This benefit with DNA and stranger cases produces the unintended consequence of strengthening the rape myth that all rapes are committed by strangers. In fact, only approximately 20 percent of rape cases are stranger cases.

    nipah pig farmer case govt court case 150708 02 – “In general, DNA evidence is going to be focused on stranger rape cases, CSI focuses on stranger rape cases. National news focuses on stranger rape cases,” Anderson said. “We have a societal obsession with the man that strikes from behind a bush and drags the victim away to a dark alley.”

    If DNA is found in acquaintance rape, the assailant simply states that the sex was consensual, negating the DNA evidence.

    The impact of DNA differs greatly depending on the age of the victim. If the victim is a child, DNA evidence can be especially beneficial in the courtroom. However, it’s rare that DNA is involved because the reality is that most child victims wait several days or years to inform law enforcement about the sexual violence. Essenburg has never tried a child sexual abuse case that included DNA findings.

    “If it’s there, particularly in a child case, it’s fabulous,” Essenburg said. “In an adult victim case, if it’s there it doesn’t eliminate the issue of consent.”

    And consent still rattles the cage of most juries. If DNA is found, the assailant claims consensual sex. If DNA isn’t found, the assailant claims there wasn’t an assault. It comes out to the assailant’s advantage in most cases.

    “Some people have the assumption that DNA evidence is going to be there and if it isn’t, people assume that the victim is lying about the case,”

    Anderson said.

    Deciding who is speaking the truth in rape cases is at the crux of most rape verdicts.

    Words vs. Science

    muslim islam malays 250806 women – Perhaps the most disheartening aspect of the DNA evidence is that it is another method in which the voice of victims can be silenced in the courtroom.

    “Victim testimony in rape cases has never been a slam dunk for women,”

    Anderson said.

    “Historically prosecutors want bruises, broken bones, evidence of physical force. The narrative of he said, she said is all about rape cases. Her voice has never meant as much.”

    In a time when too few rape cases are prosecuted, the lack of DNA can provide an excuse for not prosecuting a case. Prosecutors and the public need to remember that rape cases were tried prior to DNA evidence and still need to be tried with or without DNA support.

    It’s important to remember that DNA is a single part of the evidence collection. If the victim goes to the hospital, a multitude of evidence is collected during the forensic medical examination (rape kit) that is performed by medical personnel.

    “The media so plays up the scientific wonder that some people forget that it is who you believe,” Essenburg said. “We have to remember as prosecutors and jurors need to understand that it’s going to be there in some cases and in other cases it’s not going to be there.”

    As usual in discussing rape or myths about rape, education will play a key factor in turning the tide about what DNA can and can’t do for rape victims.

    “The work to publicise DNA evidence is really helpful but it’s not going to have the impact that CSI will,” Anderson said. “People need to challenge the shows … They need to put pressure on the popular shows to talk about these kinds of issues.”

    Pressure to understand the good and the bad about DNA evidence and its affect on rape victims.” unquote.

    _______________________________________________________

    SEAN BLACK works for the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault (ICASA), a not-for-profit corporation of 33 community-based sexual assault crisis centers working together to end sexual violence in Illinois communities.

  44. devilsadvocate Says:

    It is alleged that on the 26th June Saiful lodges a police report and it is alleged that in the report the last he was sodomised was on the 26th of June.

    Doubt 1

    (1) Najib who first denied ever knowing Saiful later reportedly admitted to have met Saiful a few days before Saiful allegedly lodged the report. The Star http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/4/nation/21741173&sec=nation
    Saiful allegedly met Najib and allegedly appeared traumatised with cold hands a few days before the 26th of June for advice, Najib who is allegedly aware of a possible crime leaves it to the victim to decide whether to lodge a report?

    (2) Once Najib is aware of a possible crime – he does not volunteer any info to the Police?

    (3) Saiful who consults Najib and not the Police then allegedly is sodomised on the 26th – a few days after consulting Najib?

    (4) Is it so easy to get an appointment with Najib at his home?

    My gut feel –

    (1) Very very likely that the allegation is true

    (2) This is a honeytrap

  45. Meng Says:

    It is indeed a circus. We have all the donkeys in the cabinet, police,chemistry dept…etc trying to trap a horse.


  46. An elegant (wannabe) lady (!) saying “thank you” at the end of the clip. Auwwww!

  47. DR SURESH KUMAR Says:

    Welcome back Harris,

    Thanks for your postings which are not one sided.You are definitely doing a lot of research on matters which are of importance to the public before you post it on your blog.A very commendable job.Keep it up bro,at least people like me who live so far away from home get to know lots of stuff from blokes like you.Your fairness in reporting which makes me to immediately click on your postings whenever I see your name.

    I hope you can highlight more of our PAKATAN RAKYAT’S flaws often too.Keep it up bro Harris and I salute you for your bravery and moral philosophy.

    To Paul Warren,

    The moment I saw this `uncle pet’ i concluded from his looks not to mention about his gesticulation and sound box,that some thing is not right here.Yuo are a good observer too.

  48. shteh Says:

    Thanks for answering my earlier comment.

    If Saiful claimed that he was forcibly sodomised, then he must be a real joker of an a–hole.

    DSAI is well known to have a bad back which had been surgically repaired. Even if he had fully recovered, it is hard to believe a 61-year old man can forcibly sodomise a healthy 23-year old. Not once, but 8 times? I rest my case.

  49. tamade Says:

    Haris, in fact before RPK voiced his speculations, most of the Rakyat have anticipated the same thing. But only RPK has the guts to put it down in his blog. We salute him for this.

    Most of the Rakyat (including most of the UltaManNo grassroot members who are also suffering due to the flip-flop policies of their dirty and corrupt political masters) know very well that this is a political plot and conspiracy to ruin DSAI.

    These dirty and evil UltaManNo elites will use whatever means to stop DSAI from revealing the truth to the Rakyat. They have too much to lose.

    For these dirty flurs, the easiest way is to put DSAI’s blood or other DNA sample into the underwear and the butt of that young flur. Then put DSAI into the jail, end of story.

    Mahafiraun’s 1998 dirty plot may be crude, but it’s being used again, because the security force’s head and the Snake Charmer’s Head in Bolehland are still closely knitted to Mahafiraun.

    I think the Rakyat is fuming and most of them are struggling to make ends meet, it’s high time the ACA and the whole police force should really wake up and “taruh” the dirty top cops and also the UltaManNo’s dirty flurs.

    Just dig up all the old cases and send all of them to jail. Distribute all their ill-gotten wealth to the Rakyat,and don’t forget to send the Mongolian’s murderers to Hell.

    May God bless Bolehland and her Rakyat.

  50. abil Says:

    Someone somewhere is very powerful is working really very hard with to put DSAI for good for a longtime. If Saiful is truthful he would have reported the first time it happened. Some people can be conned sometimes but in Malaysia some people in power can con all the people all the time because we produce morons in our university.


  51. The suspense is really killing
    Who will get the final billing
    With many factors very chilling
    When will they stop the drilling?

    (C)Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 220708
    http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
    Tue. 22nd July 2008.

  52. Oneman Says:

    Haris, you’re a lawyer. I am sure when you read the papers it is with sceptism. (As do all of us, by now.) You quoted RPK in this posting. Do you believe everything he writes? I do read RPK, like his style, and I am entertained. But truth be told, I sometimes can’t tell fact from speculation.

    Things the way they are now in this country, I have become Doubting Thomas.

    Oneman,

    God and my Mum I trust implicitly

  53. justicescales Says:

    I think this is all a tactic to get PAS MPs to cross over to BN, if not the whole PAS party itself. Because this is FlipFlop’s strategy to counter the crossovers to PR. The spin doctoring and rumour dissemination is incredibly intense and repetitious in order to subconsciously plant it into people’s minds that DSAI is gay. Sad to say so many in PAS is falling for it and have forgotten that the people voted for the PAS MPs because of the disgust Malaysians have for FlipFlop and BN! Except for a few enlightened PAS leaders, many in PAS cannot rise above race and religion and sexual orientation.

  54. Antares Says:

    This stinking charade of a sodomy accusation brings to mind an even bigger spin laid on the American public back in 1990 during the build up to Desert Storm (Gulf War I). The 15-year-old daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington, D.C., was trained by a team of professional actors hired by the PR firm (Hill & Knowlton) to shed real tears while telling a tall tale about Saddam Hussein’s troops hurling newborn Kuwaiti babes from their incubators and laving them to perish on the hospital floor. She performed her act before the UN Security Council – and George H.W. Bush picked it up and repeatedly used it in subsequent speeches, leading to endless recycling of the spin by Neocon mouthpieces embedded in the mass media. This gigantic deception, more than any other factor, led the American public to condone the American attack on Saddam’s forces who had invaded Kuwait. It also laid the foundation for the complete demonization of Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi people, thereby justifying the atrocities perpetrated against them by American troops during Gulf War II.

  55. oA Says:

    .

    How close is the relationship between the gay boy and dpm?

    Why is the gay boy disclosed “such” an intimate revelation to dpm? A revelation only persons with close and intimate relationship would do.

    Why is the dpm SHOWING so much interest in this kinda kinki sexual revelation?

    Maybe dpm is a closet gay case himself.

    .

  56. wizzerd Says:

    The lawyer was talking nonsense during the Press Conference. Why can’t the father turn up in person? If a victim was really a genuine one, don’t you think that a father would stand up against the injustice?? What is there to hide? Look at Altantunya’s father?

    Another thin that seem fishy is that Saiful’s uncle refused to take questions from the reporters, leaving the answering to be done by the lawyer??? Smell a rat???

  57. Implosion Says:

    I feel sorry for the whole state of the country and sorry for all the people who live in it, whether they be pro-gov or anti-gov.

    Because this circus benefit NOBODY but those politicians in the UMNO succession planning line.

    That’s the best way to say it.
    I hope that Malaysians FIGHT. Don’t give up.
    I honestly don’t believe anyone with an education or not, can sit there and be left behind in the dark ages.

    The world is changing, guys- and this kind of circus does not belong on CNN or the New York Times, it belongs in tabloids like The Sun or the National Enquirer, alongside with “I slept with my mother’s sister and her whole family!”.

  58. Bigjoe Says:

    When asked first of the question of using old DNA evidence, the Deputy IGP said that he does not want to comment on old case. Then the politicians volunteered why. People on the case don’t want to comment and the layman keep piling on their ‘expertise’?

    Anwar should be off the hook purely because of incompetence of the police…


  59. From Yahoo Answers

    “The age of sample provided is / are of no important.
    The degrade is/are only on the material or sample itself, however this do not and will not change nor alter DNA patterns.
    Example- tissues and blood will degrade/rot over a period of few hours/days/weeks/months and years.
    Materials will and do rot, but not the DNA.
    One may picks up some fragments of bones,nails,hair from a 5000 year old mummy and the DNA can still be extracted. It even tells the blood group as well as approximate age of the sample

    Your fingerprints or thumb prints are only good when the skin are in good condition before death.
    As the body/skin starts to rot or decompose.
    But DNA in the bones , dried skin,dried blood, nail , hair remains the same even after centuries.
    As such there is no need for any “fresh” DNA.
    You did mentioned “sample too old “.
    Meaning DNA test was done.Meaning there was a lab test.
    And all DNA lab test do have datas/records of the said previous test.This also means there are copies or readout provided for the court / forensic / attorney / police / accuser and defender.
    So many copies there, all went missing?

    I did read the Anwar latest case,
    I think Anwar should not provide his blood but samples of his finger nails instead.
    Lets see if Malaysian police will go as far as “planting” Anwar’s fingernails up the ‘victim’s” corn hole.
    This was , they have to change the charge from “sodomy” to “fingering”.

    I think your PM said he himself is too old or was the dna too old?
    Is he himself an expert? or at least a doctor?
    From the way your PM Datuk Sri Haji Abdullah bin Haji Ahmad Badawi answered, i do think he is a great remarkable moron.”

  60. ahjamal Says:

    Monday I was in lobby of Hotel Santika in Jakarta. I over heard from a group of Indonesian disputing the
    PM of Malaysia over DSAI DNA needed a new DNA those
    Indonesian were laughing . I walked out immediately felt how shameful to be a Malaysian to have a PM that
    dumb. What we need now is not the new DNA but a new
    PM.

  61. Hawaiian Says:

    malaysians, dun get intimidated by your “incredible” authorities. fight for your rights to progress with the rest of the world. not an anwar case, you ought to fight for your own human right! if not, your “incredible” authorities can do the same to anyone of you Malaysians as they wish next time round.

  62. Denzel Says:

    Why can’t the accusing party provide a copy of the said police report? Surely when one makes a police report, one also gets at least a photocopy of it?
    By insisting the accused to provide his innocence is jungle law at best.
    And now he even gets his uncle and old man to bat for him. What a pusillanimous weasel!!!

  63. sambal muncha Says:

    Hi Sam,

    Welcome back, dude! Looks like all da smokin’ helped kill da naughty virus.

    Anyway, these follytician jokers think we’re freaking stupid or what! Pak Lah comments of resampling the DNA is a joke, a typical political remark made for the consumption of the uneducated masses. Bloody niamah!

    Btw, I caught up with another ex-VI fella (my batch mate and close buddy) you used to call “datuk” whom you met again while studying in UK. I introduced him to your site, hope the two of you meet up, from a cyber point of view.

    Peace unto you, and peace unto Malaysia!

  64. Animah Says:

    Perhaps Uncle Pet feels jilted.

    By whom?

  65. Patricia Says:

    Welcom back, Haris. Nice to see you return with guns blazing!

    I’ve wondered about the ‘video evidence’ too. IF there is such evidence, would it be admissable in a Malaysian court of law? And, even if wasn’t admitted, once ‘out’ and You-tubed, so to speak, the court of public opinion would convict Anwar, surely? Methinks don’t have video lah….

    And can our PM and polititians and ‘big guns’ stop talking about DNA all over the place? It’s embarrasing the shit out of me! Like we in Malaysia so kampung, we don’t know anything about anything!

    Pat

  66. AngryTaxpayer Says:

    If these goons can’t even get their facts right regarding DNA profiling, God help M’sians now that they want to talk about nuclear energy……

  67. Barney50 Says:

    I can only say this. Desperate man will fumble. Now who is this desperate man? 2010 is quite a distance away and anything can happen in between so to make sure there is no stumbling block till 2010 he needs to get rid of the most dangerous enemy who can destroy his dream of being the next PM of Malaysia. So, he has to come up with a plot to destroy this enemy and what could be done to get him out of his way? Wallah! Sodomy! It was used before on him by his enemy so why not use the same and fix him for good. Najib the Desperado!

  68. suarakecil Says:

    Dear Pak Lah,

    DNA is immortal. Indestructible@changeable. Just exactly like yr fingerprint. Do watch CSI more often, will ya. Mix substance i.e mix dna will revealed excatly n precisely unique dna pattern. One of it obviously belong to that moron. Show the result 1st, then ask anwar to give sample n check whether it match or not. Easy, right? I dont doubt u will never ever think about it coz u r stupid enough to say even the oil price are increased, our GDP are good n inflation rate are acceptably low..

    If Anwar urge police to issue out police report, then if they had enough evidence- just show it LAH!
    If not, Anwar can claim the evidence are fabricated using the recently given sample.

    He have a good reason to be cautious..

    So, Pak Lah – use yr power (if u have any…) urge police to issue a report – make it public..

  69. Mr. Bad Says:

    Could it be that they want a new DNA sample because the old sample was obtained “illegally” i.e. without DSAI’s permission? If used DSAI’s lawyers would have a field day in court shhoting the validity of evidence.

  70. verdict Says:

    Despite all that we’ve been discussing, Anwar surely 100% will be arrested. Good luck to all Malaysian wherever u r

  71. mwrmmg Says:

    The fact that there seems to be so much fumbling on both sides, conspiracy is clearly ruled out.

    To conspire, one has to have the invisible hand that expertly orchestrate all the details. Every one must be clear with the script.

    Looking at what has been happening, it seems that no one read the script.

    I mean, if the 98 episode was a precedent, then I’m sure they wont get it all wrong again.

    They’ve got 10 years to plan in great detail. compared to a few months for the 98 saga?

    Personally and realistically, a conspiracy is difficult to swallow in this such disorganized government, that also lost Batu Puteh.

    If the government is so good in conspiracy that put Anwar in prison and then released him on some technical ground, They should put this talent elsewhere like controlling Israel or the middle east oil producer.

    PLease save your braincells to think the impossible.

    This is not hollywood or bollywood.


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