Posted on October 31, 2008
Shah Alam High Court Judge Mohd Zaki Md Yasin this morning acquitted Abdul Razak Baginda of the charge of abetment in the murder of Altantuya Shaaribuu.
The judge however ordered that the two other accused, Chief Inspector Azilah Hadri and Corporal Sirul Azha Umar, enter their defence to a charge of murdering Altantuya.
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su
October 31, 2008
‘Failed to prove a prima facie’ huh…
Right..
So now, who then gave the orders to the two accused, to do what they are accused of doing?
Hafeez
October 31, 2008
Haris,
And now we shall wait for the judgement proper as to know the legal reasoning for RB’s (can’t resist!) acquittal and the other two accused being call to defence, eh?
Should make some good/interesting reading.
God bless
doinkers
October 31, 2008
totally threw my prediction off. Was expecting RB to be a patsy and spend a few years in mimimal security prison as a show for justice.
Justice for all
October 31, 2008
My prediction was spot on. Next the court will find both cops guilty and sentenced to death. Since both faces were unknown to public, they will be replaced by death-row prisoners to be hung. Both cops will be given new identity and start a new life elsewhere.
Talking about judicial reform is a big joke.
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
October 31, 2008
Where the hell is PI Bala ?
lulu
October 31, 2008
Now, finally we will know the truth. Azila and Sirul will have to defend themselves and they will have to let the cat out of the bag now, right?
Robert
October 31, 2008
Well the SMS between S and N revealed a lot. And now this acquittal of RB proves this, that is behind the scene wheelie dealings by those in power. Shame on our judiciary NO BACKBONE OF THEIR OWN.
GOD HELP MALAYSIA and MALAYSIANS.
peng
October 31, 2008
Wow! They must have the devil on their side. Even all the evidence cannot make the charge stick!
What now Malaysians?
riyadh2006
October 31, 2008
Encik Haris,
My question has always been, what have the 2 cops got to gain from the killing if they acted on their own?! It doesn’t seem like any of the 2 or both have personal motive to kill her. Unlike RB… or if they were instructed by people who has authority over them…
I hope Malaysians will continue to press on for REAL justice to be served.
Mr Smith
October 31, 2008
Wasn’t he acquitted before he was charged… Then what does ‘tentative charge’ means.
It means just main wayang for the people who cry for blood.
Sabran Hindi
October 31, 2008
Well Lulu, I dont think so. Why you asked? Because I share the sentiments of Justice for all. The 2 clowns must have known that their windfall is forthcoming. Why spoil it by letting the cat out of the bag
wira
October 31, 2008
If Baginda is acquitted, what now then is the motive of the other 2 ?
In any murder charge you have to show the motive.
The prosecution cannot now say that the 2 suddenly woke up one day and decided to blow off a Mongolian beauty.
So prosecution may now have to amend the charge to one of culpable homicide not amounting to murder.
Hazel
October 31, 2008
Reading this news make me wanna cry. I felt for Mr Sharribuu, he must be in despair after hearing the verdict. The people who plot the murder could be still out there…….Will we ever see justice in Malaysia????
Joey
October 31, 2008
Looks like another Zaki will be the next CJ!
backstreetgluttons
October 31, 2008
elementary my dear Watson. The real killer is out there somewhere within range , as RPK has always statutorily believed
Justin
October 31, 2008
Razak Baginda is now richer for the ordeal he went through.
BUB
October 31, 2008
i am having problem accessing MT today. Any clue of whats happening?
mei1
October 31, 2008
the new episode of COURT DRAMA is now showing…
3rd judicial-related incident in 2 days:
1stly dismissal of Dr Munawar’s application,
2ndly resignation of Justice Ian Chin,
& now, RB is acquitted
What’s more?
Frank
October 31, 2008
This is the type of judiciary system once again proven to the international eyes that we Bolehland has our own pattern of democracy! And no one is allowed to meddle with our internal affairs!
Whilst it’s expected, we do not expect they will do it in such a blatant and uncouth manner to openly unveil the loin cloth to expose the utterly stinking pile, suck in and suck dry the essence of justice totally depleted and gushing out now is the eerie blood fluke, the injustice prevail! The day when the alleged abet murderer is acquitted, is the day Malaysian justice is being sanctioned the verdict of guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment in the Pandora Box!
Peoples around the world with particular inclusion of the victim’s family and clans, their countrymen and the global peace loving humankind, how will they look at us and the image of our Nation will not at all be tainted a brutal, uncivilized and undemocratically ruled by terrorists?!
Perhaps the acquittal of Razak Baginda is a first trial of our newly appointed CJ who has just sworn in days ago, to test his plan for the reform list, the priority is given to paint it more black our judiciary system or to purify it! Or he being highly recommended by AAB will merely prove he is a wonderful reformist resourceful in the form of asking for more money to develop only the hardware and facilities, justice remains as it is!
It will only be acceptable and convincing when the Court’s release of Razak Baginda is the beginning of a new trial and proper justice should be served on the criminals regardless who they are and in what positions they are in, testament of ‘no one is above the law’ as propagated and pronounced!…………
toyolbuster
October 31, 2008
This acquittal was already been confirmed in November 2006. We have been watching a very sick drama performed by devils. This episode reminds me of the acquittal of O.J.Simpson’s murder charge. And this will definitely have the same ending. God is Great.
.
October 31, 2008
I firmly believe that Najis should start a new career — the career that involves a Crystal Ball.
Obviously Najis has the ability to see VERY CLEARLY into the future.
What a waste for Najis if he stays on the cause to become the next PM for Malaysia !
galadriel
October 31, 2008
the two fellas will have to take the stand then. We will finally see their faces. I hope someone gets creative and snaps their faces. It is important….in relation to what this guy commented…
Justice for all Says:
October 31, 2008 at 10:53 am
My prediction was spot on. Next the court will find both cops guilty and sentenced to death. Since both faces were unknown to public, they will be replaced by death-row prisoners to be hung. Both cops will be given new identity and start a new life elsewhere.
Talking about judicial reform is a big joke.
.
October 31, 2008
Malaysia-Today is totally inaccessible !
Even http://117.120.1.155/ is NOT working !
desperate housewife
October 31, 2008
True justice in Malaysia long gone … his acquittal was predictable, but All Is Not Lost, we should carry on our fight for justice and continue to focus and pressurise those two scapegoats. God is watching.
JJ
October 31, 2008
It appears that many believed RB should be made to enter his defence, which would mean that he gave the order to have Altantuya killed or abetted in the killing. I have not been following closely the case so perhaps someone who have been following can enlighten whether it was proven in court that RB had prior knowledge of the killing. Otherwise, we should not make RB a proxy for DPM. Or maybe we want his defence to be entered so that he can spill the beans?
Conviction through circumstantial evidence is very rare.
Cheers.
Kisny
October 31, 2008
Haris,
If everything has been planned beforehand, what’s the use of law?… haih.
Then again, because the world is not perfect, there are people who commit crimes, no matter how abominable it may be that we need law for this very reason.
NoYawns
October 31, 2008
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/
This Malaysia-Today site works.
Anonymous
October 31, 2008
“he will face a tentative charge but all is not lost”
-RB acquitted…
the two cops?
well,just sentence them to death…who care?
but the appealing and hanging took another 10years….
during which they woild be pardoned due to “good” behaviour and released?
mei1
October 31, 2008
Time to mourn & keep vigil for the disheartening COURT DRAMA!!
MUNIANDY P
October 31, 2008
When the perpetrator Ahmad Penang gets only a warning, The reporter gets protection in ISA, Dentist K.Toyol declaring innocent and Y.B.gets ISA’ed for a week, and threatened with “moltovbombing” of parents’ house,while Dato C incites murder of YB. and gets garlended by MAINSTREAM,does this verdict surprises anyone? More to come man.
Malaysia Boleh!
Tonberry
October 31, 2008
Now we can really see a “real” kangaroo court in real life. Judicial reform? My @ss!
yh
October 31, 2008
key is who ordered the killing? and why wasnt musa being questioned and brought in as witness? this is critical coz he will shed light to the ongoings before the lady was C4. fear that the real principal behind this killing is revealed?
justice4all, no surprise if it ever happens. rightly as you question it, why are the two accused face kept away from public? in Bolehland, everything can be kautim.
Patriotic1994
October 31, 2008
What is the moral of the story for the two killers? Worth it? Some people don’t have life. They believe their life belonged to someone else. I heard that Sultan of Brunei has personal army who can hand carry him to run miles and miles away in the worst situation. Such… is the life of the servant.
I guess the moral of story is, serving God go heaven; serving UMNO go to hell.
Feel pity for Altantuya…
Mr Smith
October 31, 2008
A MURDER WITHOUT A MOTIVE?
Chief Inspector Azilah Hadri and Cpl Sirul Azhar Umar, have been called to defend themselves against the charge of murdering Altantuya Shaariibuu.
Very Interesting?
In any murder trial, the prosecution will have to prove two important ingredients without a shred of doubt to obtain a conviction .
Was there premeditation, and secondly, was there a motive for the killing? Has the prosecution established these two ingredients? We will have to wait till we read the judgement.
Meanwhile let‘s speculate.
Prior to the killing, Altantuya was a total stranger to the two cops. Who led them to her? How did they get to know her? Why did they abduct her? Why the need to kill her?
Now, how will the duo defend themselves since the only link between the victim and them, Abdul Razak Baginda, has since been acquitted on a (‘tentative’) charge of abetting them?
My prediction. Two probabilities.
Read more here: http://mrsmith2.blogspot.com/
pongsakling
October 31, 2008
Did anyone surprise ???? Expected maaaa !
tkterimakasih
October 31, 2008
Hi HARIS,
u were wondering about ‘TENTATIVE’charge?
i suspect it means temporary ÉYE-WASH’, to divert attention away from the real murderer.I believe Baginda is being used to shield the real murderer who obviously is in position to order use of C4 !
I wonder WHO ???
aiyomanaboleh
October 31, 2008
“After all the probabilities are eliminated, then what remains must be what we are looking for, however absurd it may be” or something like that. I think it was Sherlock Holmes who said this.
So, if you are Mr Holmes your conclusion would be,
since RB is out of the question and the 2 jerks who were supposed to have committed the killing do not have a motive to it, then what is left points only to 1 direction, ie ……
The court’s decision to acquit RB actually is telling us there is an invisible hand at work here and that invisible hand has a motive or is connected to someone that has a motive which again, only points to 1 direction ie ……
Malicious
October 31, 2008
Even if the both UTK officers were sentenced to gallow, it will not satisfy the local and international audience.
Malaysia judge must give the answers to
1. Why the UTK officer have the intention to kill Altantuya? Is it due to rob, rape or under command?
(We all know that they are under command of unknown mastermind. The 2 UTK does not have any relationship with Altantuya from beginning.)
2. If they are under command who is the mastermind? Does it mean that only those who carry out the job is considered murderer? Mastermind can be put into irrelevant list?
3. Should the case be closed? We all know the case is far from end. The police should continue investigation and find out all possible new evidence.
Bala should be detained using Interpol for being missing before the actual case disclosed.
The prosecutors should feel shame for failing to carry out proper investigation.
The judges should feel shame for failing to upright the justice.
This only will encourage more murderer by mastermind and walk away without being caught.
Meng
October 31, 2008
Knew RB when he was a lecturing and from my interaction with him, I do not believe he was involved in the murder of Atantuya or even dared to ask someone to murder her. I believe his case is only on having an affair with Atantuya and not keeping to the promise of the sales commission. He is not the type to get involved in something drastic.
The culprit..I am sure you know who he is??
storm62
October 31, 2008
dear haris,
if i’m not mistaken, this judge zaki was just appointed before Deepavali and it takes him just a couple of days to decide this case. i’m amused.
justice in Malaysia?????
Abu Luqman
October 31, 2008
Motive of the crime?
The two UTK officers would perhaps say that they were just escorting Altantuya away from Razak Baginda’s residence. They stopped somewhere and while waiting for further instructions, they got bored and started playing with their guns tossing it up in the air while joking with each other. Accidentally one gunshot was fired, hit Altantuya on the head and killed her. Panicked, and not knowing what to do, they decided to dispose off the body with C4 explosives.
How’s that for a storyline? Guilty still but no one else is implicated.
J. D. Lovrenciear
October 31, 2008
Readers,
Why are you all screaming and ranting lah? You have hard evidence or not? Don’t have? Ask lah all those who claimed they have more ‘revelations’ coming. Tidak ada kah?
Tidak ada meh? Only doctored pics so far only?
Immigration records missing eh? You also don’t know. I also don’t know. Then how lah?
So shud-up and get to work lah. Yeah. Just work your guts out till you drop dead lah.
Don’t like what I say meh? Then ask all those who during GE run-up made all kinds of assuring claims that “dia mesti habiiisss!!”.
You wait lah. You don’t like this first dose, more coming your way….
Aiiyaah. what a bad day it has been………….. Ei, no! This is a GREAT beginning lah. Sorry getting my thoughts all muddled again.
shamsul
October 31, 2008
Haris,
Let us not be emotional over Razak’s acquittal, and let us view it from the criminal justice system angle. Before I proceed, I must state that I am not a big fan of Razak, and I am not interested in any conspiracy theory in relation to this matter. The following is my personal view, and are based on my own observation.
We must view it with an open mind. Now, lets look at the prosecution’s case in totality. Analyze the evidence adduced by the prosecution in their case. Are the evidence enough to establish a prima facie case against Razak. I am writing this as a third party without any bias towards anybody… and I am of the view that there were not enough evidence to establish prima facie case against razak.
As we all know, Razak was charged with conspiracy for his alleged part in the murder. What are the evidence to prove that razak conspired with the other co-accused? The fact that the deceased harassed razak? the fact that razak sough help from Musa Safri? the meeting between azilah and razak? Did the prosecution adduce any evidence of instruction to commit the murder from razak? I respectfully think that these evidence did not create any nexus between razak and the murder..
There are too many doubts raised by the defence in the prosecution’s case, and these doubts remain unanswered. In order to establish prima facie case, the prosecution should at least link razak to the instruction to commit the murder, and not just rely on circumstantial evidence as stated above.
Even if the Court finds that there is a prima facie case for Razak to answer, do you seriously think that the prosecution can pass the “beyond reasonable doubt” test? I dont think so.. even during prosecution’s case, there are too many doubts that surround the prosecution’s case. I m not suggesting that the prosecution did a shoddy job, nor am I suggesting that the police did a shoddy investigation.. Maybe that are the best evidence they can get..
So, let us carry on with our lives, and not have any prejudice against anybody involved in this case.. The learned Judge decided the case based on evidence available before him, the prosecution presented the best evidence they can, the police investigated the case the best they could… and let the poor razak get on with his life…
common man
October 31, 2008
Welcome to Malaysia…..( the rest has been deleted owing to there being too many expletives )
storm62
October 31, 2008
to : J.D.Lovrenciear, 10.24pm,
i hope this does not happen to your daughters.
( that is, if you have any )
FYI, i’m retired, i do not have to work my guts out.
GOD bless Malaysians, sorry if you’re not.
Jeffrey
October 31, 2008
The two men with their face covered during the trial will be found guilty to a wayang kulit script that a trail was conducted and also to appease the rakyat.
Then they will walk through the front gates of the prison and out through the back door in no time and given enough money to live happily ever after.
Justin
October 31, 2008
With Razak Baginda off the hook, the prosecution will have a very difficult job to nail down the motive the cop and the soldier had to kill the lass.
Su asked “So now, who then gave the orders to the two accused, to do what they are accused of doing?”. The accused are going to plead not guilty, they didn’t do it. So the question of who gave the orders does not even arise.
My prediction is the accused will walk free.
tselau
November 1, 2008
It maybe that the 2 scapegoats will fabricate that they found her attractive and have thoughts of molesting her which she resisted and they have to kill her. Done!! no need to show any other motives.
azee72
November 1, 2008
At the end of the day we will have a PM tainted with corruption and murder.Agong as usual will rubber stamp the approval and endorse him to be PM. Then I wonder what is going to be happen . If people ask where I am from, I will tell that I am from Togo Africa and thus need to saloon to get my hair curly . What a shame.
Diana
November 1, 2008
What does Shamsul mean by saying let’s be objective? Witnesses and SDs have been wiped out clean from the case. Prima facie? What about the evidence of the weapon (C4) which is used? Why would the 2 cops have the authority to obtain the C4? What’s their mens rea? Simple logics and common sense: The girl only knew one guy in M’sia which is Baginda… This guy is close to someone who has the authority to command C4s to be used. What’s the motive of the cops other than delivering an order?
Judges have been sent to boot camps by that Mamak and Im not surprised that the present gov will let these “trained judges” to preside in cases like these.
I saw this news on BBC and Jazeera last night. Total embarassment. Now, the foreign media is going to speculate themselves on this freed political analyst who is acquitted. How much more does M’sia wants to make itself known as a corrupted, racist, unjust country to the world?
They try to put up a wayang kulit on how they’ll catch the small fish in an attempt to cover up for the big fishes. I hope that the real killers who seem like they may not be convicted in M’sia will be punished by God for vicious killing of a being, who is a daughter, a mother and sister and friend. No female deserves to die like that.
gobloking
November 1, 2008
Who has the motive for knocking off this lady?
Who has the authority & access to the explosives?
Who has the wherewithal to wipe off her official entry records to the country?
What dirt does the accused have on influential parties which can result in his acquital?
What are the ties from victim to acussed to murderers?
If I can learn these from watching TV, how come others don’t? Maybe they don’t subscribe to Astro?
btw has anyone watched the show “Justice My Foot!?”
aiyomanaboleh
November 1, 2008
I would have thought that people who were put in jail, would have suffered physically.
Looking at the pics of our friend RB, it seemed he was well fed and would even say, put on a little weight.
Special treatment perhaps after arrangements were finalized?
sambal muncha
November 1, 2008
We need Judge Judy!
shamsul
November 1, 2008
dear diana,
I made it clear in the first paragraph of my comment earlier that I am not a big fan of Razak, and I also wish to state here that I am not a supporter of BN either, and that I am a political free thinker.
However, we should draw a fine line to separate politics, and all the conspiracy theory surrounding the case with the judgment of the Court.
What I meant in my earlier comment is that politics apart, conspiracy theory apart, I am of the view that there was not enough evidence to establish a prima facie case against razak. Diana, please study the case carefully, ask yourself, and answer truthfully, do you seriously think that there was any evidence to even suggest that razak gave the instruction to murder the deceased.. was there even any evidence to show that razak abbetted in the murder?
Dont you think that there are doubts in the prosecution’s case? These doubts remain unanswered at the close of prosecution’s case. How do you expect the learned Judge to order razak to enter defence?
We may have differences in our view, but at the end of the day, we must respect the finding of the Court. Not everything in life is about politics.. Finally diana, please bear this in mind.. “its better to acquit 10 guilty men, rather than to convict and sentence 1 guilty man”
Malaysianatheart
November 3, 2008
Will someone please find out WHO would have had the MOTIVE to kill Altantuya??????
What motive could the 2 cops possibly have had?
goku75
November 5, 2008
Chief,
Have anyone seen the two cops accused faces ? I’ve only seen their caricatures in the newspaper. Let’s assume they are found the be the responsible ones in this matter and sentenced. <>
How do we know that these two person are the ones paying for the so called crime ?
Any take on this one ?
Goku