Yes, I’m candlelight vigiling later tonight in Seremban and this weekend in PJ on Sunday.
Regarding the vigil in PJ, let me tell you of some developments.
Tuesday morning last, I bumped into the Selangor MB, YB Khalid Ibrahim, at the Parliament lobby.
We spoke of the events of the night of 9th November when the police violently ended the vigil outside the Dewan Sivik.
I told YB Khalid that as the vigil was in support of the anti-ISA policy of his party and the Pakatan Selangor state government, it was only right that the vigilers should be supported by him and his government in our weekly vigil.
All of yesterday morning I was in touch by phone with several elected reps from Selangor to get their commitment to attend the vigil this Sunday. Many have said ‘Yes’. Details later.
Yesterday evening and this morning, have been on the phone with some important people in the state government who are working towards making it safe for vigilers. This may or may not entail a change of venue.
Please come back here after 4pm today for the latest details about the PJ vigil this Sunday, including details of any change of venue.
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To the ‘Now, Khalid…’ post, doinkers sent this comment :
‘…As a lawyer, you need to post a “what to do if you’re arrested” guide, before the coming vigil.Many who were caught were first-time offenders, and many people were unsure of their legal rights & what the police are legally allowed to do’
Here’s my lawyer and non-lawyer 2 sen. First, a little bit about your right to assemble, then my attempt to shoot down this nonsense about requiring a permit for every vigil, and then some ‘what to do if…’
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Your right to meet, light candles and hold vigil with like-minded anak-anak Bangsa Malaysia is guaranteed under Article 10 of the Federal Constitution which protects the right to ‘assemble peacably and without arms’, the Constitution giving to Parliament the limited power to make law to restrict this right ‘as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof or public order’.
Please be clear about this.
Parliament can only pass law to restrict your right to assemble peacably and without arms, necessary in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof or public order.
Article 10, in pdf, is linked below.
Parliament purported to exercise this limited power to restrict the right of assembly by enacting section Section 27(2) of the Police Act, 1967 wherein is prescribed the ‘police permit’ requirement that we always hear about.
I say ‘purported’ because if you carefully examine section 27(2), you will find it to be one of the most ridiculous laws Parliament has ever inflicted upon the rakyat.
For your convenience, all of section 27 of the Police Act, 1967, in pdf, is linked below.
You will see that section 27(2) imposes an obligation on ‘any person intending to convene or collect any assembly or meeting or to form a procession in any public place’ to first apply to the OCPD for a licence.
‘Public place’ is not defined in the Police Act but has been interpreted in the Interpretation Acts, 1948 & 1967 to include ‘every public highway, street, road, bridge, square, court, alley, lane, bridle way, footway, parade, wharf, jetty, quay, public garden or open space, and every theatre, place of public entertainment of any kind or other place of general resort to which admission is obtained by payment or to which the public have access’.
If the police take ‘public place’ in section 27(2) to mean any of the places as described in the Interpretation Acts, and then insist on giving the fullest, literal effect to the words of section 27(2), it would mean that a husband and wife intending to meet at Taman Jaya, PJ for lunch, two friends planning to meet at the bus stop in PJ New Town, or two housewives arranging to meet in PJ Old Town for char kuey teow at the roadside stalls before heading off to the wet market, would have to first apply and obtain a licence from the OCPD!
Insisting on a strict implementation of the terms of section 27(2) would bring the economic and social life of this nation to a standstill!
Thankfully, PDRM has not taken such a nonsensical approach in its implementation of section 27(2).
So, what criteria does PDRM adopt in deciding whether a meeting, assembly or procession must first be licenced under section 27(2) and when such a licence should be refused?
Do the four earlier vigils and the disrupted one on 9th November shed any light?
I would like to think that the reason the first to the fourth vigils, from 12th October to 2nd November, proceeded without any police hindrance because the police adopted a ‘let them proceed, intervene only if there are reasons to deem a threat to national security or breach of public order’ policy, remembering that plainclothes police officers were at those four vigils.
Adopting such a policy allows for the fullest possible exercise of the right of assembly guaranteed under the constitution, without abdicating their duty to ensure that such exercise of constitutional rights do not occasion a situation that might threaten national security or public order.
Seen in this light, the question of having to first apply for a permit before one exercises the right of assembly does not arise. To insist otherwise, as I have pointed out above, will bring life to a standstill.
Of course, if this is the policy of the Selangor state police authorities, this would not explain why the vigil of 9th November was disrupted even before it started.
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What to do if you’re at a vigil and police order that it be brought to a close
1. Have someone lead negotiations with the police and take directions from that person.
2. Whoever is negotiating with the police must communicate whatever directions given by the police to vigilers so that individuals can make up their own minds whether to remain or disperse, knowing all the facts.
What to do and not do if arrest is imminent
1. If you’re a smoker, quickly light up and enjoy that smoke. It may be your last for a quite a while.
2. Do not run. In fact, if the circumstances permit, sit.
3. Whoever is in charge, or, if there is no one in charge, whoever is prepared to take charge, ought to announce to the police that arrest will not be resisted and that therefore the police have no reasons to act aggressively in effecting arrests.
4. Do not resist arrest.
5. Take note of what is happening around you.
6. Remain calm
What to do and not do if arrested
1. Ask the arresting officer for the reasons for your arrest
2. When you arrive at the police station, request to exercise your right to make a phone call. if given the right, please use it wisely. Call the person who can best arrange for assistance.
3. Decline to give any statement until you have legal representation.
5. Take note of what is happening around you.
6. Remain calm






November 14, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Haris,
Looking forward for your updates. As of this weekend, I seriously have to reconsider as I have something extremely important on Monday, which I may not be able to attend to, should I face an arrest. I shall use your postings as a guideline to weigh my options.
Cheers, mate.
November 14, 2008 at 3:43 pm
As to what to do when arrested as well as your rights after getting arrested, please go to the Bar Council web site. Click on the RED BOOK. Download it. It is a quite a detailed guide written in simple language for the laypersons.
November 14, 2008 at 3:44 pm
The ONLY manner these virgils can succeed is NUMBERS. I mean participants in the hundreds. When the Police decide to make their move, all or the majority must offer themselves to be arrested willingly. Let the numbers congregate in the Police station by the hundreds. Let them do all the paper work and get all the personal particulars they need. Bog em down with NUMBERS. If there is any need, fill up all their cells for the night by the NUMBERS. So let the Police handle the 200 or 300 in one virgil and hold your patience. Let our NUMBERS overwhelm their force.
malsia1206
November 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Haris, you’ve said there “the Constitution giving to Parliament the limited power to make law to restrict this right ‘as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof or public order’.”
I see the word “restrict” as “to restrict”, which is not the same as “to forbid”.
I guess they could say only handsome guys can take part in an assembly, in which case you will not qualify, but I will
I suppose!!
Or they could say confine to a particular place or soemthing….or clothes you wear or don’t wear.
Or “restrict” here is used inthe sense that they can also forbid?
November 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Someone suggested using flashlights instead of candles for the vigils.
I think it would be a good idea. It would be safer if the crowd was to suddenly disperse. I wouldn’t want my clothing or anyone else’s catching a flame during a tussle to flee arrest.
I know, not quite the same but who knows what to expect anymore…
November 14, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Yes Harris, you are right! sit still and don’t try to escape arrest. Otherwise, like one case of escapee in the past you may get drowned in Klang river while fleeing. Also make sure you do a medical test before the vigil so that you are not suffering from pneumonia or week heart or infected lungs. Just make sure you are fit enough to survive 14 days in lockup. If doctors think you are not fit then please stay away. In fact, it would be a good idea to have complete medical examination before getting arrested. wink.. wink..
November 14, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Gee…Harris, This vigil has turned out to be some serious stuff now. It was so peaceful until the police and FRU made their grand entrance. Nevertheless, I will be there.We wont back off by their physical and armed threats. Looks like they cant fight with criminals and murderers so they choose to fight with helpless innocent people.
November 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Lawan tetap lawan!!!
November 14, 2008 at 5:12 pm
We are a nation of law breakers
November 14, 2008 at 6:17 pm
If anyone is charged under S 27 of the Police Act, I think he/she should challenge it all the way up to the Federal Court on the basis that the law is ultra vires the Constitution. I’m sure there are lawyers who are willing to act pro bono.
S 27 renders Article 10 meaningless. That cannot be the intention of those who drafted our Constitution.
splim,
Pro bono?
No problemo
November 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Haris, as you’ve pointed out, and from some other readings I’ve read so far, it seems that we are in agreement that the law should not be enforced in such a way that it denies us citizens of our rights.
That being the case, should there not be someone ‘up there’ to bring this matter to Parliament, where the laws get passed? If I am to have understood my 6th Form studies right, the Judiciary has powers to question such laws that are deemed ‘unjust’, such as this particular section of the police act. Or has their powers been so diminished that they can’t anymore? And surely parliamentarians can bring it up in the house?
Just getting curiouser and curiouser.
November 14, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Haris what about the right of seizure? Can the police just take anything they want from you without a court order or warrant? Im thinking camera phones money etc. Its very often the police just steal from people arrested saying they need whatever for investigations without ever returning them.
November 14, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Haris again I think we should all launch a apply for police permit campaign. Lets turn this against the police by applying for permits to go watch a movie go eat char kuey teow pergi makan anging and so forth.
Flood the police with applications for a permit!
November 15, 2008 at 4:13 am
Dear Polis Raja Malaysia
Why you Polis Raja Malaysia & Federal Reserve Unit attacked peaceful fellow Malaysians at PJ vigil.
Why you Polis Raja Malaysia & Federal Reserve Unit also attacked the ‘Bersih’ peaceful fellow Malaysians last year. Are they criminals?
So now the new job of FRU is to attack fellow peaceful Malaysians of all races. Is that their duty?
Please spend more time tackling our rising crime rate especially handbags snatcher and house break in. I know at least 8 people had their handbags snatch this year. Remember some of the victims died when their bags was snatch some years ago. Many of them wont have to die if you Polis Raja Malaysia do your job.
November 15, 2008 at 8:17 am
“…the limited power to make law to restrict this right ‘as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security …”
‘restrict’ to control the manner, the pattern you assemble. It does not mean “forbid”. You apply for permit “only if you need police assistance” to control traffic and provide extra ’security’ to the assembly .
Legally they cannot reject your application. That is why they always keep quite as to your status of your application and also by imposing 10 days notice ,etc.
There was no ’security concern’ on 9-11 night.
The Police was confused & agitated by your singing the NegaraKU 2nd time around ? They thought you all ‘main2 and ignored their ‘Senior’ command . Their super ‘ego’ was dent and hurt , I supposed.
Junior Police Officers are more patience and mature and accommodating, to notice that the “Vigil” is always very peaceful.
November 15, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Go get the red book on the Bar’s website. All are there.
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=639&Itemid=120
November 15, 2008 at 3:45 pm
what about those of us who can’t afford legal representation? whose one precious phone call is not going to bring a posse of lawyers to the police station?
it will be comforting for those wanting to join the vigils to know that they will get legal help should they get in trouble with the cops in their efforts to bring about a better Malaysia.
pro bono you said? you really mean it, Haris?
white dwarf,
I’m working with Edmund Bon to arrange for an urgent arrest team to be on standby..
Pro bono – yes
November 15, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Dear White Dwarf,
My friend was one of those arrested . He said he does not have to come out with the RM2000 bail.It was taken care by somebody. So do not worry even if you are arrested.
Come join us this Sunday and every Sunday.
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