Can our brothers and sisters pray in peace, please?
December 10, 2008

‘Every person has the right to profess and practise his religion and, subject to Clause (4), to propagate’ it’ - Article 11(1) of the Federal Constitution
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Since the detention of the Hindraf 5 under the ISA on 13th December, last year, the consciousness of this nation to how this draconian piece of law has been abused by the authorities has been heightened.
The government and the policing authorities, however, appear determined to silence the various efforts to take this consciousness to every home, every village and every town and city.
Candlelight vigils and public rallies have been brutally disrupted.
A cycle campaign has been disrupted by police harassment, arrests and arson.
And Hindu brothers and sisters have been told that they face arrest if they pray for the release of the Hndraf 5.
That’s right.
Since the detention of the 5 last December, people throughout the country have been holding prayers for the release, not just of the Hindraf 5, but for all ISA detainees.
In Hulu Selangor, the Hindu community, too, have been saying prayers for the release of the 5 every month during the ‘Pournami Pooja’ ( which, I’m told, means ‘power prayers’ during the full moon ).
Last month, those prayers were to be held on the 12th at a temple in Batang Kali.
2 days before the scheduled prayers, one of the members of that community was summoned by Special Branch to their headquarters. This individual was told that the prayers scheduled for the 12th of November must not proceed. The officer insisted that there should not be prayers for the Hindraf 5 and that if it did proceed, devotees who participated in the same would face arrest.
Initially, the community, no doubt intimidated, were minded to cancel the prayers to avert any untoward incident. There was, thankfully, a re-think, and with the support of the temple management and devotees, the brave Hindu anak-anak Bangsa Malaysia of Hulu Selangor proceeded with their prayers on 12th November, notwithstanding efforts by ‘you know who’ to intimidate devotees with their presence and intrusive behaviour.
This month, the Pournami Pooja is scheduled for this Friday, 12th December.
Our Hindu brothers and sisters in Hulu Selangor are, understandably concerned about whether they will face any reprisal from the police authorities this Friday and in the coming months.
Last Friday, some of us accompanied the individual who had attended at the Special Branch office on 10th November, to lodge a complaint with YB Ronnie Liu, YB Teresa Kok and YB Xavier Jeyakumar, who make up the 3-man state exco committee to look into issues of temples and churches in the state.
The YBs have assured us that they will be taking this matter up with the state police authorities.
Meanwhile, I have been informed that our Hindu brothers and sisters in Hulu Selangor will be hosting a very modest Malam Mesra Rakyat at the Subramaniar temple, Kg Kandiar, Rasa, Selangor at which they will be holding their Pournami Pooja this Friday. They have asked me to extend an invitation on their behalf to any and all who would care to partake in fellowship with them.
The evening’s programme and a map appear below.
God Willling, I shall be there.
Programme
7.00pm – Prayers
7.30pm – Homa rituals at fire pit
8.30pm – Mantra recitation and other rituals
9.15pm-9.30pm – Refreshments
Contact person : Suppiah ( 019-2636357 )






December 10, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Bro Haris
Why not request PR to organise a multi-racial prayer rally for all ISA detainees? With Imams, priests etc etc from all creeds in malaysia? Inside the Melawati stadium in Shah alam? With police permission? Can they refuse if everything is done by the book?
December 10, 2008 at 1:56 pm
The Clause (4): State law and in respect of the Federal Territories of Kuala Lumpur and Lubuan, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam.
In full laymen english (from Wikipedia):
Article 11
Though Islam is the religion of the Federation, Article 11 provides that every person has the right to profess and practice his own religion. Every person has the right to propagate his religion, but state law and, in respect of the Federal Territory, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religion, doctrine or belief among persons professing the Muslim religion. There is, however, freedom to carry on missionary work among non-Muslims.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Malaysia
December 10, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Well, apparently the police have release the terror linked personel Of JI secretly and now has been found out by the international press. Local press also dunno. they were released on the ground of succesful rehabilitation yet the Hindraff 5 were still jailed.
December 10, 2008 at 2:39 pm
IGP of Malaysia, please tell you man focus on “crime” in our country. Respect each other religions. Pray is important in our daily life .
December 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm
“Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.”
Well, it certainly appears that Musa Hassan is suffering from terminal dementia, apart from acute heart disorder…
Bless the brave rakyat!
December 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Thse who have drank the water of Truth are fully aware of the ONE taste irregardless of the containers one use,be it buddhism,hinduism,Islamic or whatever.God is absolute and manifest as the many[which the mind label and seperate]without any seperation as the mirror and the relected images.This is the insight to Tawhid.All religions bring us home to ONE single source.When All is ONE,peace is and there can be no choice.Let us spare some time for the holy scriptures to unveil the truth instead of reinventing the wheels with concepts.
December 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Halo haris,
Gua fikir lu sembahyang sekali dengan orang hindu tu …mohon restu bangsa Malaysia.
Orang Kuala,
No issue
December 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Quote samplee:
“All religions bring us home to ONE single source.”
IT’s wrong. Definitely. WRONG.
December 10, 2008 at 4:18 pm
As RPK said during the vigil, many brainwashed UMNO malays, prodded on by self interested UMNO cronies, think that the ISA is to protect the Malays and Muslims. Perhaps it would be better as mentioned by “almila’ that the non political civil society and NGOs (asking PKR to do it may give an excuse for the UMNO/BN to claim that this is all political rhetoric) organise a multi religious pray rally for the ISA detainees in Shah Alam stadium or perhaps Pantai Timur field.
This way, all malaysians including fence sitting Malay/Muslims can be rallied to also support the abolishing of the ISA.
I for one will be there if this is organised.
Maybe if PKR is thinking of organising a mammoth gathering in Mar 09 ala Bersih, one of the main programs could be this public multi religious prayer rally.
Lets do it Malaysians.
December 10, 2008 at 4:19 pm
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December 10, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Well, the majority don’t know of this and even of those who know, a majority don’t object.
so they can go on and they will go on. They are learnign it all from Adolf Hitler’s play book anyway.
But is this a sign of what to expect when Thaipusam comes along next year? And that is only about a couple of months more.
For the last Thaipusam, any objection to anything at all was shown by the Hindus patronising the Murugan Temples nearest their homes. It only meant, anywhere up to or more than 600,000 devotees failed to attend Thaipusam at the “official” temple…Batu Caves!
I can imagine every vote attached to that 600,000 went to Pakatan and not to BN!
If the Hindus allowed themselves to be intimidated and acquiesced to the request of the police not to hold these prayers, then the police would also use that as a precedent to then stop Hindus from going to any other temple, come the next Thaipusam.
Previously, not all Hindus necessarily understood the meaning of or the significance of not attending prayers at Batu Caves for Thaipusam. So, you still had a few hundred thousand going.
This time, can I hope to see more of the Hindus realising a prayer at any Murugan Temple is as good as going to any other at Thaipusam?
now, what will that mean to the government?
What will that mean to UMNO?
Just in case the Indians are still an irrelevant race in the country, maybe its a good time as any to remind that the last time, with most rumbblings kept very much under wraps, BN only lost their sacred 2/3rds majority in parliament and they lost 4 more states.
What is worse, the docile Sultans are, these days, saying and making more sense than the so called professional politicians in UMNO.
Bro, I think this is just a prelude and a testing ground. If they can get away with stopping this prayer, they might next make intrude into the Thaipusam festival itself. What ever they might say, I think even the most fundamentalist Muslims amongst Malaysian Muslims will find impossible to defend.
Paul,
Join me this Friday
December 10, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I’ll be there…definitely!!!
December 10, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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December 10, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Police are playing UMNO games, and for what? They are becoming a real drag on society and to think we are paying their salaries!
They are both trying to get Hindraf off the radar screens especially among the Indians. The fight is to keep the flame alive – they sacrificed everything and now it is up to those outside whom they fought for to carry the torch.
The Indians have been marginalised by UMNO and victimised by the police; let’s hope the next round of elections will see them come to their senses in droves and bury BN once and for all.
December 11, 2008 at 12:35 am
huh?? what the @*%#)^!&*%!!!! why i never heard of such a silly silliest ’stink to highest heaven’ (borrowed from anwar) order from the police – ARRESTED FOR PRAYING!! one can’t even pray now??
in penang, in one of our church, every wednesday there is a mass/service to pray for the ISA detainees. the priest there said the mass will continue until ALL the detainees had been released. don’t tell me soon, the police will order for the mass to be stop and/or have those who attend the mass to be arrested! REAL RIDICULOUS!!
(heard from anil netto during one of the mass, some special branch men were hanging around)
December 11, 2008 at 11:27 am
Actually in churches every Sunday we pray for our Agung, PM, leaders, and that includes our opposition leaders too. So how now BN? Some more in my church we actually have a guy, within the church leadership itself, who I believe is SB as well!!
December 11, 2008 at 2:09 pm
The sb in the midst must heed what Jesus say,’you cannot be the servant of two master.Leave the evil service and Tuhan will meet your needs.
December 11, 2008 at 4:36 pm
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