Got calls from two sources a little before 5pm today to say that the family of A Kugan have just been given permission by the relevant authorities for a second post-mortem to be performed.
Nanda headed out to the University Hospital where it was understood the second autopsy was to be carried out.
Got one call from Nanda around 6pm. Informed that YB Gobind Singh, YB Sivarasa, YB Manikavasagam and lawyer Surendran together with family members of Kugan were at the hospital. Selangor CPO was now being ambivalent about whether the second post-mortem had been consented to. Seems that the earlier confirmation had been communicated orally by some senior police officer from the balai in Subang Jaya.
Just before 7pm, Nanda called again to say that its settled. Although the CPO was being difficult about the choice of pathologist, the family’s wishes have prevailed.
Their choice of pathologist will undertake the second autopsy tomorrow morning, 9am. Am told that members of the family and lawyers will be permitted to view the autopsy being done from the viewing gallery.
Nanda informed me that it is expected the autopsy will take anything between 5-8 hours after which the pathologist will have to write up his report.
Depending on the report, it may well be that Kugan may finally be laid to rest on Chinese New Year day.
Sam Sambal
January 24, 2009
Dear Haris
Thank you for keeping us all updated.
Barbara J
January 24, 2009
Thank you Haris for the update. Appreciate it.
Concerned Vigiler
January 24, 2009
Haris, can you please clarify about the PJ anti-ISA vigil:
Concerned Vigiler,
1) According to Malaysian law, do we need a police permit to gather for the vigil?
We have been given to understand that the tarmac in front of the MBPJ building is the private property of MBPJ. As we understand the law, our vigils at the tarmac do not attract the requirements of section 27(2) of the Police Act, 1967 to first obtain a police permit.
2) What about Malaysians’ constitutional right to assemble peacefully? Still need permit?
The constitution allows parliament to restrict the exercise of this right for the purposes of public law and order
3) Why was the permit for the vigil not obtained at the last few vigils (hence the large police presence)? Didn’t request? Request denied?
We have never applied for or obtained a permit for any of the vigils. The permit obtained by Richard Yeoh was for MBPJ’s Mesra Rakyat effort, as I understand it. Richard has ceased to apply for the same, I think, after his last application some time back was rejected.
4) If a permit is required, who is responsible for applying for the permit? Does the permit have to be requested on a weekly basis?
As for as I am concerned, permit is not required.
If a permit for the vigil is required and cannot be obtained, please inform us so that we can make arrangements for our children to stay home.
As far as I am concerned, permit is not required and shall not be sought.
TQ.
You’re most welcome.
delcapo
January 24, 2009
Well Done, Nanda!!!
Hope Kugan can finnaly rest in peace soon… while the murderers burn in their sleep til they meet their fate.
sinniah
January 24, 2009
Harris,
After the post-mortem is done, the funeral service should be attended by all of us. Peoples Parliament had in our Meet the YBs sessions brought up the incompetency of the Police Force has one of our concerns. Hope you can get us the details of the funeral service and cremation for us all to attend.
Daisy Raevathy
January 24, 2009
God bless you haris for your untiring work for justice!
Casey Raj
January 24, 2009
“Although the CPO was being difficult about the choice of pathologist, the family’s wishes have prevailed”
What is wrong with this clown?
H S Lee
January 24, 2009
Malaysia will be a better place to live in when the wrong doers are stopped from doing further wrong.
Meng
January 24, 2009
Hopefully their selected pathologist would do an honest job or not been threaten by anyone behind the scene.
If there are Clear evidence, the CPO and IGP should resign.
What happened to all the chinese and malay MPs?? dumb
desmond
January 24, 2009
Lets hope the pathologist will conduct a proper autopsy and report what are facts and not what the police wants him to find out. Wouldn’t be surprised that the police may try to influence his findings. Nothing new anyway.
Julian
January 24, 2009
Hmm… Good to know that. Please keep us abreast..
michael toh
January 24, 2009
Thanks for the Update. A populated number of Malaysian of all races are indeed following closely this case. The CPO incidentally has not been professionally managing the police force and incident crisis control. Appears that he is very impartial. Good work for the PR lawyers to handle this important case till justice is done. I hope Malaysian of Indian nationality support what the PR lawyers concern and responsibility in discharging their duties especially YB Gobind Deo as their MP. To YB we vote you the second term.
gPanadam
January 24, 2009
Will the pathologist be intimidated to fabricate his finding? Anyone helping to protect the pathologist?
Anyway, thanx for keeping this case in focus..
Ali gupta
January 24, 2009
It is amazing what the police can do. Look at the IGP and his face tells you that there is no aura of law and order. Look more like a crook. Same with the many vice-chancellors of our local universities. Thy don’t look like what they are suppose to represent.
AG
Tony Wong
January 24, 2009
Thanks for the info.
May Kugan rest in peace.
God bless.
Reniv
January 24, 2009
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE CPO OF SELANGOR SHOULD RESIGN A VERY INEFFICIENT LEADER And a liar.
WHEN 3 INDONESIAN SUSPECTED ROBBERS GOT SHOT& KILLED HE WAS IN THE FOREFRONT TAKING CREDIT I DIDN’T THOSE POLICE RESPONSIBLE GETTING CREDIT……sign of demoralised force.
THE MINUTE KUGAN’S SHIT HIT THE FAN, QUICKLY HE DELIVERS 11 LOW RANKING POLICE CONSTABLE TO DESK JOB.
I WANT THE CPO OF SELANGOR KHALID KNOW IF KUGAN’S CASE IS PROVEN TRUE. THE RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD GO RIGHT UP HIS MONKEY ASS!
eaglewings
January 24, 2009
Yes, Thank you Haris. Have been waiting for news on this. Kugan’s death has been very disturbing news. We want to ensure that justice is prevailed.
R in Dubai
January 24, 2009
Too wrong for too long!
Justice could never be restored to Kugan.
The least that could be done is to restore justice to his loved ones.
Maximum punishment must be upon the perpetrators so that the “perpetrators wannabe” would have to think hard and harder before they commit such brutal acts.
And to our fellow Malaysians, we must stand out and condemn such acts or it would be seen that we accept such injustice prevading into every parts of society.
murali
January 24, 2009
Thank you Mr. Haris
Pegasus
January 25, 2009
Thanks Bro.Haris .We hope this case won’t go off the radar.The 11 cops should be arrested immediately for murder and not given desk duties.A young man is murdered by these 11 gangsters.They should be thrown behind bars till the case is up…however knowing justices in this Bolehland…anything can happened..these bastards will twist and turn the facts and none of this murderers will be charged or will be responsible…Altantuya case is one where its unbelievable whats happening. Hopefully the BN regime will get its priority right…the whole country and world is watching what will happen next..the IGP,AG and the useless HM should resign for this murder…the Rakyat is just waiting for the next election….these S-holes will be kick out for good…BN regime will meet its end soon!!! It will be the Rakyat’s turn to ‘murder’ them in the ballot box!!
sook wah
January 25, 2009
Great job Haris!
RocketScience
January 25, 2009
I’m going to pray today that the cause of death is not lungs in the water. I want to see Selangor CPO relieved of his duties for LYING!!!
The original doctor that conducted the post mortem should also be charged for falsifying a report. MACC should also investigate why the doctor falsified the post mortem report.
Let him be made an example to every other pathologist in Malaysia that they should never ever attempt to Falsify any post mortem reports
fukonima
January 25, 2009
Brother Haris, what are these people so afraid to have a second autopsy?
The Rakyat want to ask the CPO and Khalid to answer this question.
Surprisingly, the sleepy PeeAme, his deputy and the interior minister just keep quiet. It seems very unusual.
The best thing to do in order to calm the nerves of the people is to sack S Hammit, Musa, the Selangor CPO and the OCPD concerned.
They must be held accountable sine they have made the majority of the good cops suffer due to their incompetence in leading the force.
DrCambridge
January 25, 2009
If the 2nd PM report significantly differs from the 1st, the 1st patholgist ought to explain how he came to the conclusion of “pulmonary oedema”. If he fails, his registration should be reviewed again by the Royal College/MMC and stripped-off if necessary to protect the best interest of the public.
May the Hippocratic Oath prevail..
malsia1206
January 25, 2009
This one is for the Pathologists.
1. Could an early 1st post-mortem affect or dilute a second attempt in ascertaining the true cause of death?
2. And, in case of any conflicting conclusions, what are the odds of determining which of the 2 is the probable cause?
3. Is there not a distinct possibility (or even a probability) that the 1st post-mortem may be conducted in such a deliberate manner as to eliminate a subsequent inconsistent finding in case there is any fraudulent motive?
These are academic questions for the not-so-faint-hearted.
ganesan
January 25, 2009
This is work of an authority.Very shamed this happen in malaysia
GamatLembit
January 25, 2009
1st.
If suspect do have existing all over the body injuries as shown in photos were in custody, he should first be send for checking with proof of medical report before he is sending to medic room(torture). If suspect died in custody with such injuries with highest state official trying to cover, sure there is interest benefit involve somewhere (because he no need to take such risk). Or it may be new politic tactic to provoke Indian to create chaos.
2nd.
If evidence is strong link to investigation brutally, the choice is to get some lower official admit the wrong (can easily find, plenty of big tummy in waiting). Then after few years behind bar, out with few hundred K waiting for them. That amount can easily raise with sponsor. Why AG ask the case to be classify ‘MURDER’?
Reason 1: Because to cut those who ever want to use the above tactic.
Reason 2: The tougher the case,the higher the price.
Reason 3: AG want high case such as C4 evaporating flesh and bones not this. Or otherwise…
3rd.
If stupid forensic report cannot cover them, up to AG to name the amount before to admit scape goat to his Kangaroo court.
Malaysia only Boleh!!!
If I today become PM, tomorrow I send everyone from head to tail those heavily infested parasite packing go home tanam kacang. Doing once for all better then everyday have to face Malaysia only Boleh.
Antares
January 25, 2009
CHEERS, HARIS! THUMBS UP ALL THE WAY, BRO
bayi
January 25, 2009
And now let’s hope the truth will be known.
anna brella
January 25, 2009
Call me cynical, but suggest respectfully to Kuhan’s lawyers that they request relevant tissue samples from Kuhan be removed after the autopsy at the UMMC and be kept in safe storage for use in any potential further investigation by an independent forensics expert if this is proved to be necessary in future.
And my heart goes out to Kuhan’s grieving family.
Their beloved son’s life may probably have been seen by some of those pariah b**tards in the PRDM as being less equal to and so worth a lot less than some others.
Sorry, I am ashamed today to call myself a Malaysian.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
purefaith
January 25, 2009
Hopefully, this autopsy shall given a definitive answer to the cause of death, and also whether the external injuries were inflicted before his death or otherwise.
Rasupal
January 25, 2009
Well it seems ordinary and poor Malaysians have to fight vehemently for their rights each time an injustice is done to them. On the other hand the Police is also not interested at all to improve and restore the public confidence in them again.
shankar
January 25, 2009
The Malaysian police cannot be trusted. Wonder why some of the questions posed in this forum never asked of the police? The journalists have a role to play in society. That means NST and The Star. The “doctor” who performed the first autopsy should have his credentials rechecked. Why was his name not published? Too many questions and just evasive answers.
prakash
January 25, 2009
Thank you very much for updates, Haris.
The 1st pathologist should be stripped from his profession and taken to court.His version of postmortem is irrelevant because of CPO and others……
Kugan should rest in peace. my deepest condolences.
May all Malaysians regardless of any race, should hate this incidences and be alert always when you fall into police hands.
Please update more news later. Must attend Kugans funeral t’row. Give support on CNY memorable dark day in this country.
UNOBSERVER
January 25, 2009
Meng! You raised the most valid factor here.Quote`What happened to all the Chinese and Malay MPs?? dumb. The above problem is between the rakyat and the brutal BN controlled Dogs in Blue! As Malaysians we owe each other our cooperation, support, trust, respect and understandings. The Malay and Chinese elected representatives want to play safe in the eyes of those in power. Wouldn’t it be if all Malaysians has walked to B.Aman to show the Dog in Blue and BN that the Rakyat had enough of bullying and intimidation!
We are not using late Kugan’s demise as an opportunity to show our solidarity and as one proud Malaysia race irrespective of color and creed.
Concerned Vigiler
January 25, 2009
Haris, why no updates on the anti-ISA vigils? You promised, bro. Your word is your bond, once broken the trust is gone. My family and friends will no longer be attending the vigils until you have cleared up the questions posed previously. We are putting our lives and careers on the line to attend the vigil, the least the organisers can do is be more forthcoming with the vigilers. Don’t pull an UMNO on us bro.
Concerned Vigiler,
You reproduced questions previously posed in your comment submitted on 2009/01/24 at 9:50pm.
I have responded to those questions in that comment.
I am trying my best to manage this blog.
Bear with me.
Nanda
January 25, 2009
Meng n Unobserver,
lets take it another step further, what happened to the rest of the members of civil society?
kumar
January 25, 2009
keep me updated
tq
kumar
January 25, 2009
good infor keep me updated
tq
vile-n-frenzy
January 27, 2009
1st- i am ashamed to be a muslim.
2nd- i am ashamed to be a malaysian
3rd- i am proud to leave this freaking country with rules of the underworld
borhan
January 30, 2009
Sibuk dengan pencuri kereta ni saja lah kita. Sekarang dah jadi isu perkaumkan. saya dengan polis tangkap si sami ni selepas drama kejar mengejar kereta yang hebat. lepas kena tangkap polis dapat 15 kereta curi, agaknya hasil maklumat dari si samy nilah . sekarang orang jadikan dia hero sebab mati dalam lokap polis. Yelah mati dalam lokap polis tu memang tak betul,yang membelasahnya patut dihukum. Tapi membesarkan penjenayah sebagai hero tu pun lagi tak betul kecuali orang itu sendiri penjenayah. loyar lainlah sebab pada mereka tak ada yang betul dan tak ada yang salah..yang betul hanya fulus.
taikoh tekoh
January 30, 2009
I suggest that we hold a tahlil and baca yasin for Kugan. He was our brother, and we should show out hears are with him. What say all Muslims here?