27th September, last year, some of us gathered at Dataran Merdeka to light a candle and wish RPK, who was then being detained under the ISA, ‘Happy Birthday’. You can read about that HERE.
Later, some of us moved on to join the Hindraf folk who were also holding an anti-ISA candle light vigil that culminated in a gathering at the Sri Ganesha temple in Jalan Pudu.
A huge crowd had built up at the temple but one man, all fire and brimstone, had my attention.
Former Hindraf national co-coordinator R.S. Thanenthiran is the man circled in yellow
I could not understand most of what Thanenthiran said, but he certainly roused the crowd to constantly break into a chorus of ‘Makkal Sakti’ and ‘Mansuhkan ISA’.
Just eleven days before this vigil, Thanenthiran was quoted by Malaysiakini as saying that Hindraf ‘backed Anwar Ibrahim to become the country’s sixth prime minister for it believes that the opposition leader is the only person capable of putting the country back on the right track’.
Thanenthiran was quoted as saying :
“Anwar has assured that he will ensure a free and fair country based on equality, justice and democracy for all, something that Barisan Nasional has not given to Malaysians in its unbroken 51-year rule. He is now the best bet to instill some order to our political uncertainty. Hindraf wants him to become prime minister and safeguard the Indian community from marginalisation”.
Well, Thanenthiran appears to have vindicated the adage we hear again and again that there are no permanent friends or enemies in politics.
And the perception amongst many that to get anywhere in the world of politics, one has to whore one’s own soul.
Thanenthiran in his dapper suit, a far cry from his street activism days. Photo courtesy of Malaysianinsider
In May, this year, Thanenthiran and his merry men moved to register a new political party. The stated objective of the new party, as reported by Malaysiakini, to spearhead “a political struggle for the betterment of the Malaysian Indian community”.
At that time, sources close to Thanenthiran indicated that this new party would not incline to either BN or Pakatan but would steer its own course.
However, the speed with which the new party, Parti Makkal Sakti Malaysia, secured registration by the Registrar of Societies was, for many, telling.
Malaysianinsider reported yesterday that Najib has been invited to and has agreed to be the guest of honour at the official launch of this new party this coming October 10th.
According to this report, Thanenthiran made many curious statements.
Whilst insisting that the invite to Najib should not be seen as detracting from the independence of this new party he nonetheless candidly shared that “We are working together with him as partners… we walk together for the benefit of the Indian community”.
This ‘working together’, as Thanenthiran disclosed, includes actively campaigning for the Barisan Nasional in the forthcoming Bagan Pinang by-election.
Why this about-turn?
Thanenthiran explains.
“It is true the BN did not do much for us in the past 52 years but the Pakatan Rakyat has done even less for us in the past two years. BN under Datuk Seri (Najib) is beginning to do for the Indians in major areas and we welcome it. We want to work with him to get a fair share of the nation’s resources”.
Getting a fair share of the nation’s resources is all well and good, but for whom?
The marginalised Indians?
Isn’t that what MIC and Samy Vellu have been saying all these years?
So is Thanenthiran and his new party, as Malaysianinsider suggests, merely filling in the seeming vacuum in BN’s divide and rule scheme brought about by MIC’s increasing irrelevance and inability to reform?
Three days before that vigil last September, Malaysiakini reported that Thanenthiran had challenged Samy to seek the forgiveness of Malaysia Indians.
“Samy Vellu should kneel and beg for (forgiveness) for his wrongdoings (against) the community if he is sincere and honest about seeking freedom for our leaders”.
Samy did better than that.
On 1st April this year, Samy visited a recuperating Thanenthiran in hospital. Thanenthiran was recovering from a heart attack and, quite possibly, the disappointment of being overlooked by PKR as the candidate for the Bukit Selambau by election. Malaysiakini has a report of this HERE.
Was this the turning point for Thanenthiran?
Some two weeks after this visit, Waythamoorthy purged the Hindraf leadership by suspending several who reckoned themselves as the top guns, including Thanenthiran.
Had Waytha got wind of some wheeling and dealing by those within the ranks of Hindraf to further their own agenda?
In a Malaysiakini report dated 21st May, this year, Thanenthiran, speaking on the formation of this new party, admitted to having led a delegation to meet PM Najib a month before.
This would place that meeting with Najib some three weeks after that visit by Samy at the hospital.
Political deals, it would seem, were being made at lightning speed.
And lo and behold, what emerges today is a re-branded and re-cast Thanenthiran, now perfectly kosher for Najib and UMNO.
And the police.
In June, Malaysiakini reported that Thanenthiran said that his new party would not follow in the footsteps of Hindraf in going to the streets to pressure the government to look into the needs of the marginalised Indians in Malaysia.
In rationalising this change of strategy, Thanenthiran, in my view, let the cat out of the bag.
“Going to streets may make one popular, but it will not necessarily resolve the problems at hand”, is what he is reported to have said.
And that, it would seem, was what his street activism was all about.
Profile building.
The question that must now be asked, is whether the Malaysian Indian community will submit itself to another 52 years of marginalisation by being taken in by this poliitical whoring?
Bagan Pinang may provide an early answer come 11th October.
ktteokt
September 25, 2009
Definitely a “two headed snake” in the making! I thought Hindraf had its ideals in ensuring a “clean” government as one of its objectives? Why is this group of people jumping into the pot of SH*T!
malaysianarehypocrite
September 25, 2009
you can’t read english ? not hindraf you bias human. and thank you for bring up “two headed snake” statement ,to show your racist heart.
marge
September 26, 2009
Don’t understand how snakes can be racists!
ong
September 26, 2009
A “two-headed Chinese”, or a “two headed Malay” or a “two headed Indian” is racist. How is the term “two headed snake” racist? Enlighten me please.
wordsarewords
September 27, 2009
of course ,so people like marge and ong are playing the ‘innocent mind’.here’s a bone ,it does not work .
ong
September 28, 2009
I see a snake. Besides me there are other people around. I shouted: “there is a snake”. All except one responded thus: “where’s the snake?”. The one exception responded thus: “why are you calling me a snake?”. I don’t know why! Maybe ‘wordsarewords’ can enlighten poor innocent me.
Anti Mamak.....
September 25, 2009
ini pu** ma* akan jual pu** ma* dia utk RM10.00 je……
hanya nak hina olang ****** je…
amal
September 25, 2009
what is it with all these race-based agendas anyway?
sheesh!
the last thing I want to hear is some political leaders shouting about fighting for marginalised malays/ indians/ chinese/ ibans/ dayaks/ dusuns and all.
Everyone should be fighting for the marginalised MALAYSIANS, for God sake!
sang kancil
September 26, 2009
Hear haer
sampalee
September 25, 2009
Good or bad,it is the will of Tuhan.In the coming months More politicians will be creating issuse that frustrate the rakyats,until the people realise that the concept that they holds the will to change the government via their vote is against nature law of Inshaallah.
Democtacy all over the world will crumble as the people’s power is only a reflection of Tuhan’s power[like the moon reflecting the light of the sun] Makkal Sakti is an illusion,for a few to deceive and control the masses
When the people return to religion in its purity,peace prevail.Why?If one is enlightened to the scripture,the question itself disslove in God’s light.[We will not ask where have darkness gone in lights presence]
Bobby
September 25, 2009
So, another race-based party joins BN? What’s new?
Are they really fighting for what’s right?
Once they lean towards BN, they would already have lost the Indian community’s support.
Bloody idiots!
Anak Malaysia
September 25, 2009
I really don’t understand what Malaysian leaders want. Do they want a better Malaysia for all races or to destroy this beautiful country? After 2008 general election, I was very hopeful and plan to go home. However, Pakatan Rakyat especially PAS have totally betrayed our trust. Why is Hassan Ali constantly causing problem? What about Hadi Awang wanting to work with UMNO? Also, Thanenthiran not only betrayed the Indian community but also all Malaysian. He lead us to believe that he’s fighting for Indian but his association with Najib definitely proof me wrong. Can you trust a person when he seek for the Chinese blood? I guess I better apply for green card just in case. I love this country but I fear for my life since I’m a Chinese.
sang kancil
September 26, 2009
I too am planning to come home but with all these shenanigans goiing on I rather stay back in my adopted country.
shar101
September 25, 2009
Profile building, eh bro.
It’s more like getting ready for ‘pocket lining’ to me.
On the other hand, it’s also a truism, for NTR to cozy up with characters like this, UMNO must be really desperate.
Bagan Pinang shall be interesting. Especially if MIC turns up as well.
P.S. Haris, if you couldn’t understand Thanenthiran in Sept 2008, it’s because his true preachings have come home to roost. In NTR’s barnyard.
shar101,
No, its because he was speaking Tamil, which I understand very little of
Kumar
September 25, 2009
I watching Thanenthiran from 1st day after he become national Hindarf coordinator. He was running up and down from Penang to Johor. Was arrested, his car was burned 3 times, his restaurant was damaged. But early days he do exactly what Wayatha Moorty ask him to do. He only take orders from him. This was not liked by other key leaders. But end of the day Thanenthiran was betray by Wayatha himself. He gave a statement againtst him. This is the turning point to Thanenthiran. When he was in hospital none of the Hindarf key leaders visited him. When Samy visited him, others start giving press statement. Sometimes i feel Indian “mudah lupa”. Everyone forget how much he do for Malaysian Indians.
So no point is blaming him anymore. We need to blame all the top guns in Hindarf who forced him to join hand with BN.
temenggong
September 25, 2009
Thanenthiran was critical of Anwar and PR when he was not selected as a candidate for Bukit Selabai. He went against Waytha’s instructions in doing so. It was at this point that Waytha had to make a statement against Thanenthiran and clear Hindraf’s stand.
After Samy’s visit, Thanenthiran started talking differently, and Waytha had no choice but to kick him out quietly and let him go his way.
Sure he did a lot for the Hindraf movement, but once he started cavorting with BN, that is strictly a no-no, and Hindraf’s door is closed!
siew eng
September 25, 2009
Indians are so doomed.
Steven Yang
September 26, 2009
It was good that Thanenthiran was not selected as a candidate for Selambau otherwise this miserable dog would have jump ship.
Just like the traitor of Jelapang Hee whose husband is in debt and they both need to prostitude themselves for more money.
4RAKYAT
September 26, 2009
agree with siew eng…
generally low education level; this will almost sealed one’s fate. and this is a whole race we’re talking about.
it’s simple really. if u r stupid, people WILL take advantage of u.
4RAKYAT
Habib RAK
September 25, 2009
When Thanenthiran got himself admitted into a 1st class hospital facility, it was already known then that his “ailment” were not medical. It was his “demands” to be the Bkt Selambau Adun candidate that was injured. He then went on to make a deal with the devil. Like all deals with devils, you pledge your soul and moral values.
Seer
September 26, 2009
Indians are doomed as much as chinese in the mca/mca /gerakan/dap spats and the malays in the UMNO/pas/pkr spats are – not any more or any less. So don’t make too much out of all this friend
rajan
September 28, 2009
Hi kumar,
Sorry to butt in !Running like all “runners” is part of his job as NC.Arrested ? that was a minor arrest , So was the other “leaders” who got ISAed,being arrested is an occupation hazard and comes with the job specs.
Did thanenthiran lodge a police report on his cars being burnt? Was a police report lodged by thanen on his restau rant being damaged, By whom?
How did wayatha betray thanen? What statement was given against thanen by wathaya? When was it?
How can someone who is doing his sabbatical in KAMUNTING and london pay a visit to thanen when the aspiring YB was in hospital?
Why did Samy velu visit thanen when samy himself claims that hindraf is a terrorist group linked to LTTE?What was the REAL intention/motive of samy velu visiting thanen in hospital? How much of the hospital bills were paid by samy velu ?What was the press conference about and regarding whom and which of the “leaders” gave the press conference and which MSM reported it. IS it TAMIL NESAN? than i know the hows ,the whys and whoms planted the seed of discontent in thanen> SAMY VELU lah who else and now it appears he have “makaned tuan” and dealing with 1tuan.
Now ! How much did he do for the indians? Which way? When? Just name 5 deeds he did for the people.Very important point, What is his education level? He cant present his views clearly without someone shouting tamil varlga !
Sorry for the qrs but i hope you could answer it. TQ mr.kumar
chan ching
September 25, 2009
As what I posted in MI, this Party will surely DOOMED in
no time! If any of their members talk to me,I’ll BROOM them out!!!!
Malaysian Heart
September 25, 2009
It’s sad to see people who may have believed in something once, get “turned over”. While ambition and greed may have played its role, let’s not underestimate the effect of poor leadership, communication and interpersonal skills, and interpersonal rivalry (i.e. “axes to grind”). A spurned person can easily turn against a cause he believes in, and betray his principles. Not everyone can be as patient as Job, in the face of unfair treatment.
Let’s also not not be in denial, and pretend that PR has been keeping all it’s promises to those who voted them in. Even if it was legally impossible to have saved Kg. Buah Pala, PR did not truly demonstrate the will to do so, nor did they show real care and concern for the poor and marginalised. I perceive their collective response to Kg. Buah Pala more as efforts to cover their own posteriors, and protect their own interests. By not practicing the principles they had preached while they were in opposition, PR has only themselves to blame if people have become disillusioned with them, and feel that they have to make a deal with the devil that they have known for 52 years. Who has the moral right to criticise them, when they have been thus abandoned?
I believe that if civil society and progressive groups are to succeed in bringing change to Malaysia, they will need to learn how to be inclusive, put aside all their personal “axes to grind” with each other, work with diverse groups based on common values, principles and interests, and treat people decently, as per the principles they profess. This requires true leadership.
Two more points:
1) given Thanenthiran’s Hindraf past, some may justifiably suspect that he (and the MSP) represents Hindraf’s “Plan B”. Hindraf and the Human Rights Party (Waytha & co.) would do well to make absolutely clear any links they may still have to Thanenthiran, and what their position is on MSP’s support for BN is.
2) The financiers behind the MSP need to be identified, to expose who is actually pulling the strings.
Sincerely,
Malaysian Heart
Nanda
September 25, 2009
Agreed that civil society and progressive groups have to be inclusive but it works both ways. Its not once or twice that attempts have been made to extend olive branch to Hindraf but was it reciprocated? In my humble opinion, what I see is Hindraf’s leadership are more contented on harping on issues and making loud noise but when an attempt to be inclusive is initiated, they are not prepared to reciprocate. Note that I say the leadership. My take is that the man on the ground are more than ready to come together, but the leadership seem to have something else on mind.
Personal axes to grind,- if this guy can be allowed to justify his actions by citing personal axes to grind, no one visiting him in hospital etc, then the same should be afforded to the sufferers of the ‘Kurang Kasih Sayang Syndrome’ like Ezam and the gang. Fact is, the onus is not on the people to show understanding for the actions founded upon personal axes to grind etc. He rode on the ticket of championing the marginalised, not on the ticket of a personal vendetta, so, it doesn’t make sense if now the people are to be expected to sympathise and show understanding for his actions.
Agreed on the Kg Buah Pala point but that can never justify an action to immediately turn and jump into bed, again, with the very people who one claims to have been sodomising the marginalised for the past 52 years. That doesn’t make sense at all. It would be more honourable to just quit rather than turn back to BN and UMNO and justifying that action in an attempt to bring legitimacy on an action that shall forever been seen as illegitimate by the people.
Best regards.
Malaysian Heart
September 25, 2009
Nanda,
Every time that I have communicated with Hindraf leaders (not often, just three times so far), and asked them why they have not worked more closely with other civil society and progressive groups, their answer has exactly what you have said, but reversed: that civil society have not reciprocated Hindraf’s support in the past, and have neglected the plight of Hindraf’s “constituents”. Speaking as an outsider, I find it unbelievable that groups with such obvious common ground are waiting for each other to make the next move.
Whatever the history, IMHO we must take the first step, and work to find common ground. This means that we must first understand where they are coming from, and what are their concerns. By doing this, the movement for change in Malaysia will be all the stronger, and we would be true to our principles of being inclusive. The ensuing discussion would illuminate the respective platforms and positions of all groups, and on a tactical level, if Hindraf’s leadership does “have something else on mind” (e.g. being MIC’s replacement in BN), then it could be exposed for all to see.
I’m not suggesting that we should excuse Ezam or Thanenthiran for betraying their principles and comrades just because they have been treated unfairly (allegedly). What I am saying is that civil society (any group for that matter) should take pains to treat people fairly; it must be done, and seen to be done. The opposition will naturally capitalise onany disaffection in our ranks; we have only ourselves to blame if we allow them to.
To me, KBP was the litmus test of PR, and they have failed it abjectly. PR needs to redeem themselves, and prove to Malaysians that voting for them again is not a mistake. To do this, they must rediscover their principles and the pledges thay made, and live up to them.
To use your jumping into bed metaphor, if one cannot provide a happy, safe and secure bed for one’s new constituents, one cannot complain when they choose to hop back into another bed, even one where they have been abused before. Let’s not forget that humans will choose the devil they know rather than the devil they don’t.
Again I say, given that the people of KBP had been betrayed by those who promised to protect them, no one has the moral right to tell them whom to support. If we want them to support us, we need to show them that we are practicing the principles we have preached. No point in criticising their choices unless we are prepared to be there for them when they need us.
Sincerely,
mh
Nanda
September 26, 2009
Hi MH,
First point, as you’ve also implied in your reply, there’s a distinction between civil society progressive groups/individuals and political organisations and I’m of the view that Hindraf leaders use these 2 seperate things interchangably. Proofs are abundant in this blog alone of calls to Hindraf leaders to join forces even as early as after the 25th Nov 2007 march. Proof are also abundant that groups of people (members of civil society at large) came out in support of the call by Hindraf various times. Proof are also abundant that even when they did not call, groups of people (Civil Society members at large) came out in support. Below are just 3 posts from many to illustrate this (my Picasa Picture link would also testify to this):
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/a-time-to-come-together-as-one-and-secure-justice-and-equality-for-all/
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/malam-mesra-rakyat-on-10th-january-2009-at-the-kerling-temple-kuala-kubu-baru-joining-hands-touching-lives-conquering-fear/
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/malam-mesra-rakyat-at-the-subramaniar-temple-kg-kandiah-rasa-selangor-tomorrow/
Proof are also abundant where a number of Hindraf supporters, i.e the man on the ground showing support and coming together as one. My Picasa link would testify to that as well.
But what I see from my discussion with guys claiming to be Hindraf supporters when confronted with these points are the constant falling back to the argument of where were civil society 50 years ago, and I don’t think it is a fair and valid argument.
You state that we must take the first step, I think we’ve taken that first step and we’ve taken it time and time again.
I don’t think KBP was the issue in contention. But just to point out, you may be right that the people should not be blamed. But there’s nothing that says that they can’t be criticised for a rash decision, especially if the decision is based on the absurd justification given and persuasion made by the likes of Thanenthiran, in my humble opinion.
Best regards
DK
September 25, 2009
Tothose who keep criticising PR over the KBP issue should stop and use their brains for a moment. I amnot saying that the DAP gov is entirely blameless in this issue. But the blame that is theirs is definitely less than the other parties involved. Not least are the previous BN gov and Hindraf itself. At least they tried to help even if it was half hearted. That is more than one can say of BN if they were still in power in penang. Nobody is saying that PR is the miracle that will solve all our problems in a moment. But they are definitely the lesser of the two evils we have to choose from. Much lesser. This MSP moron is just a traitor to his community. As everyone probably already knows there surely is money involved here somewhere. If this is the leaders that the indian community has then they are definitely doomed. And if the indians decide to follow these moronic leaders then they deserve all they get as they are digging their own graves. And i say this as an indian myself!
Malaysian Heart
September 25, 2009
DK,
Even though the DAP is not “entirely blameless” (as you yourself have said), my criticism of PR is NOT over who is responsible, or who is to blame for KBP. As I wrote, it may well have been legally impossible for PR to do anything. However, making unequivocal promises, then breaking them is (at least) just as bad as BN.
Why was PR so half hearted about KBP? Is it because the ones affected are poor and powerless? Have they made new friends whose interests lie in clearing KBP? These are reasonable questions for Malaysians to ask. Injustice is injustice whoever the victims are, and whoever the perpetrators may be.
Arguing (as you seem to be doing) that we should support a particular party just because they won’t screw us as much as the other side, is simply unacceptable. Neither is saying things like, “[t]here is no compromise on (Kampung) Lorong Buah Pala. I told the chief minister that Buah Pala belongs to the people of Buah Pala. This is my stand“, then claiming to have tried to help (half heartedly). To a family whose house has been builldozed, the bright future PR promised, and the “big picture” issues thay claim to work for are nothing but dust and ashes.
Malaysians deserve better than that, we need much more than just the “lesser of two evils”. We need leaders who will keep their promises, who will stand and fight on principles. We need leaders who have the interests of the poor at heart; leaders who are competent and compassionate enough to never “wash their hands” of us.
I believe that all Malaysians must pull up and take to task politicians who break promises, whichever party they come from. If we start making excuses for the mendacity and breach of principles from some, we’re only paving the way for the replacement of one set of liars with another. People who support PR must remember this, because the moment their principles are jettisoned in the name of expediency, we have taken our first step down that slippery slope.
One more thing: we need to acknowledge that for Malaysia to change, Malaysians will have to learn how to have civil and enlightened debate and discourse over our shared future. For such discourse to happen, even if one holds an absolutist view (such as that BN are the “Dark Side”, PR are the “Jedi” and that there can be no alternative to these two), one needs to accept that others may have a different view, and understand them before rebutting with reasoned arguments. For the record, I suspect (as I believe you also do) that the MSP is opportunistic. However, if we are to persuade people of that, we need to make a reasonable case for it. If we go on calling people names like “morons” and “traitors” (without any evidence), all we will do is alienate them further and more deeply entrench the divisions that already harm the movement for change in Malaysia. Besides perhaps providing a momentary “syiok” for the user, it does not add any value to the discussion, nor will it encourage honest, open debate; the discussion would soon regress into namecalling.
Sincerely,
mh
temenggong
September 25, 2009
When Anwar did not select him for Bukit Selambai, he railed against Anwar, against the instructions of Waytha. By April he was booted from Hindraf as he made clear his plans to form his own party even though Hindraf made it clear it would remain an NGO.
Ir is true that he was THE man on the ground from the time the Hindraf 5 were incarcerated. But power got to his head.
Once Uthaya was released in mid-May, Thanenthiren lost all importance and he was a nobody once again. This probably pushed him further into BN’s arms. Today he has about 200 supporters, and Hindraf will not deal with this traitor.
pied piper of Hindraf
September 25, 2009
When makkal sakti was formed their founders told the rakyat that BN was one of the reasons why the Indians were left behind to fend on their own while other races had a share of the economic pie.
Now this Thanen fler does a reverse flip and declares he will work hand-in-hand with BN!
This fler is a snake-oil peddler and an opportunist rolled into one package.
Indians of Malaysia, behold your new-found leader who will lead you to oblivion if you believe in him.
Good luck !
sang kancil
September 26, 2009
pied piper, I could not have agreed with you more. This Thanen guy is an opportunist and all he is doing for his OWN SELFISH GAIN. I do hope the Malaysian Indians can see through him, if not they are doom! I do apologise for being so melodramatic.
The Whisperer
September 25, 2009
Gone are the Indian’s hope once Hindraf got dismantle to BN’s tune.
It’s back to square one now. Screw Thanen! Screw Wathaya! Screw Them All!
It’s now down to those Indians who have been betrayed to decide who can represent them more.
Anak Bangsa Malaysia outfit or those parties who have betrayed them?
My pick would be ABM outfit..
Malaysian Heart
September 25, 2009
Bro. Duke,
Then we must create and articulate a vision so compelling and motivating (and honest), that they will want to share in it. We also need to address their immediate needs (where such poverty exists). When one’s kids are going hungry, it’s difficult to buy into anybody’s grand vision.
Sincerely,
mh
jungleboy
September 25, 2009
He will be the first victim of the female UMNO ADUN from Perak. Better to wear crash helmet at all times.
pinsysu
September 25, 2009
smart ass … going to the street was doing biz devt … & now managed to sign a “contract” for his own “future” (yet to be determined). he’s holding 2 balls in his hands … no, no, no, i mean holding 2 eggs in his hands & imagining biting into juicy drumbsticks.
Musa Susah
September 25, 2009
Even if PR were to win the next GE and by law form the next government, it will never get to rule the country. NEVER!!! Mark my words.
budak ma-layu
September 27, 2009
musa susah,
musa assan has told you something?
silly
September 25, 2009
Sheesh! just another two headed snake.Never believe in this group of people anyway.
Franck Muller
September 25, 2009
A heart attack changes a man.
Mahathir had a few of those.
Funny how it seems..
Mickey
September 25, 2009
Correction, Mahathir never had a heart attack. Only heart surgeries.
They were prescribed based on routine check ups.
And he has not changed.
Correct?
PM
September 25, 2009
When Hindraf took to the streets, I have warned you indirectly to beware of hindraf, they have been neutralized and won over. I did the same when posting regarding hindraf appeared in your blog. Many more to come!!. Secret funding if any..
telur dua
September 25, 2009
This guy aspires to be Semi Value II with all the benefits of/from whoring.
Like Semi Value before him, Thanenthiran will sell the Malaysian Indians down the river for another 52 years. But only if the Indians themselves allow him.
Jaro
September 25, 2009
One should not be too irrational and emotional to criticise just because you dislike one and prefer the other. Be sensible even if you want to be a HR gungho or activist.
anna brella
September 25, 2009
Two classic syndromes come to mind as to what may in effect be helping to keep most Malaysians of Indian ethnicity where they, perhaps inadvertently, choose to be i.e at the bottom-most ends of the political power pile and national economic scrap heap.
One may be the definite self-inflicted limitation that comes naturally to anyone from the stupidity of having too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
Another somewhat crabby one, maybe a result from having a lack of vision and self-discipline, is the more pathetic case known to all there, presumably, as the very limiting jealous crab in the basket syndrome.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
rajan
September 25, 2009
rajan,
Your comment was at least twenty times, if not more, the length of the post under comment.
Sorry, I’ve had to delete it
rajan
September 28, 2009
Hi harris,
Its ok, no hard feelings about it.
It was a bit long winded after having a chat with mr.chivas.
Yes as someone commented, thentiran saw an opening and tried to squeeze in but he is going to experience his biggest disappointment very soon.Tupai pandai2 lompat, akhir nya jatuh dan sakit pungang juga.hehe Tanentiran to replace murugiah as deputy minister and made a senator?.Haha, MSM will spin as though he got the undivided support of all indians not knowing that he is considered a joker and he was only a yes man and doing the bidings of uthaya and watha.
Is Najib thinking straight or getting hallucinating by the day?
The Malaysian indians will support/vote PR no matter what.
Yamashita
September 25, 2009
Well, it just strengthens the public’s negative perceptions of them. They are just like seesaw.
Mickey
September 25, 2009
That exactly what happened to Pakatan Rakyat de Facto leader.
He sold out to Umno from ABIM , instead of PAS.
Post on this Haris!
budak ma-layu
September 27, 2009
mickey,
mahadei instructed razaleigh hamzah to talk to anwar to join umno if he (anwar) wants to do much changes that he aspired to do, and umno is willing to let him have the space, help, opportunity.
Little did anwar knew that mahadei took him into umno’s house to:
a) silence him (of criticising the govt/umno) from the outside, and lets the whole nation knows umno’s ills and
b) to slaughter him (Anwar) in umno’s house!.
Like Anwar, Razaleigh did not know this mahadei’s plan either….
Mahadei took anwar away from pas in a very tactical and strategic move….AND simultaneously had the grand design to finish anwar off….this move is not mahadei’s own. Mahadei acted FOR his foreign MASTERS. He has built that strong relationship with Henry Kissinger since 1968, when he enrolled in the Harvard Business School’s Summer program. This program was PROPOSED AND CONDUCTED by kissinger himself for the school!. Kissinger was a gradute student of the school then.
Having had the backing of Kissinger, mahadei poked Tunku….and 13 Mei 1969 erupted. Mahadei served HIS MASTER FIRST, we malaysians lasts…..in between, he has vincent, ananda, daim, etc…..
Mickey
October 1, 2009
Who is mahadei?
And now you have revealed to us that Anwar can be silenced!?
And if he did not joined Umno, would he had joined PAS then? As a vehicle to become PM?
But he did not join PAS when kicked out of Umno, but formed his own “multiracial” party, which is not the same as DAP “multiracial”.
Why need to silence Anwar? What about the rest of the opposition. They need not be silenced?
Your explanation is too simplistic to explain the complexity of the local political history and scenario.
Ye lah, budak-budak memang susah nak faham. Jadi explanation yang simple saja kamu boleh absorb. Itu yang kamu kena goreng.
Have you ever wondered why Pak Lah was kicked out too?
Who planned that one? Care to explain?
KKLim
September 25, 2009
There are people who are using KBP issue as a justification for turning against the PR coalition and for the formation of the MSP. I say this is all cock n bull n trying to hookwink the innocent. In my opinion, much as some might disagree, I would say the Penang Govt led by LGE had done its level best to get the KBP residents a fantastic deal given the legal complexity as well as the politicisation of the problem by various elements inc.the MIC, Gerakan n some Hindraf people.
Given the insults, nasty name calling, and ridiculing of the CM and the DCM and the changing demands from some residents who were obviously influenced by these elements, I would say that both the CM and the DCM have not only shown exemplary leadership but tremendous magnanimity n forebearance in continuing to help these residents get what they got. Just compare what the 200 Kg Pandan Indian families got after being chase out of ‘their’ land after 70 years of squatting there – an ‘akujanji’ letter to rent and then purchase a low cost flat to be built(costing Rm75,000) from the developer(the FT govt itself). Where are the Hindraf, the MIC n the Gerakan activists) in Kg Pandan ? Are they now blind, deaf and dumb or are they scared of being gased ? Or is it because a PR Govt is easier to be blackmailed ? R the Kg Pandan folks getting a better deal than the KBP folks ?
In my postulation, I would say had not been for the PR Govt in Penang, the KBP folks would not only have been chased out of their land long ago. They would have got nothing more than some petty cash n had they been as brave n as agressive as to invade the CM’s office and call him nasty names they would have been gassed out and some would probably would be languishing in some dark rooms waiting to be ‘kruganed’. Some people do not just know even how to be thankful but are apparently selectively blind. Really pity them.
Yamashita
September 26, 2009
KBP would have been ‘deleted’ from the map of Penang a long long time ago if BN is still the state government. And the residents would only be given a compensation of RM90,000.00 or maybe less.
Hindraf, Makkal Sakhti and Human Rights Party can support BN, but do not complain of Indian marginalization in future. They can support BN (the one which marginalized the Indians for 52 years) at their own peril.
oA
September 26, 2009
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The Indians are so screwed.
The KBP issue was “scripted” to bring down the PR in Penang literary speaking. The Selangor and Kedah were having problems at around the same time as KBP and these were no coincidence. It was planned.
It is a known fact that economy development has always had the advantage no matter where you are and KBP is no different. All relevant issue pertaining to the securing permits etc. for the development of KBP can be done easily even before PR took over however “they” decided to wait for a better moment.
Those who played up to the KBP issue are in cahoot with the previous BN and it is that obvious – whether its the MIC or the MSP god knows. This resulted in other Indian parties band wagoning hoping to out portray each other as relevant to the cause of the plight of the Indians.
KBP residents are considered to be in better shape than others in the same situation considering that they are getting a 500 grand home and some other grants.
So its time to move on and be focus on who the real enemy.
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Malaysian Heart
September 26, 2009
IMHO, attitudes like KKLim, oA and Yamashita’s above are a big part of the reason why poor and marginalised Malaysians have much to fear from PR and their supporters. Here is why I believe so:
1) Instead of recognising that the residents of KBP have human and legal rights, which were violated by the land sale and transfer, they instead seems to be only interested in defending PR against political criticism. The basic principles being violated have been been forgotten in the name of political expediency.
2) They seem to be arguing that just because BN governments can (and have) denied the rights of poor and marginalised Malaysians, oppressed them and treated them abysmally, therefore poor people should be grateful for whatever their PR leaders deign to give them. Poor Malaysians should just forget about what those same leaders had promised before. It’s the old “we’ll !@#$% you too, but not as much as the others will” argument all over again. And they are happy to draw comparisons with other cases e.g. Kg Pandan, to show that poor Malaysians cannot expect any better!
3) People centred development was PR’s rallying cry in the past. That’s where communities are engaged and empowered to develop in a wholistic way that respects their culture, heritage and rights. What’s so fantastic about a deal thrust down one’s throat, where one has had no say in it? Is it right for someone to walk into our houses someday and tell us to get out, for whatever sum of money? KBP was not just about a house, it’s about the people’s self-respect and dignity, way of life and livelihood. Don’t they know that these people are vulnerable, or don’t they care? And it’s not for anyone else other than the KPB folk themselves to pronounce if they are in “better shape” or not.
4) Their mental model seems to be that the rakyat (poor rakyat, that is) need to choose a paternalistic “protector” who will look after their interests (when it suits the “protector”), but this protector must never be questioned, otherwise they’ll get offended and “wash their hands”. What’s the difference between them and BN then?
In a nutshell, where is their concern for the plight of their fellow humans? They have spoken about the the Ringgit and sen, and the politics of it, but where is the humanity? Where are the principles and human values? Until and unless PR (and progressive groups) can convince poor Malaysians that voices like KKLim’s, Yamashita’s ands oA’s do not speak for them, the poor and marginalised have no reason to believe that PR (and progressive groups) have their best interests at heart. We should do this not just to help a few cowherds in Penang, but to save the very soul of the PR and progressive movement itself.
As for PR and its supporters, they need to realise that they don’t have a right to expect the automatic loyalty and support from the rakyat without working to earn it; they will be judged on how well they practice the principles thay have been preaching all along. They need to realise that they have grievously wronged the people of KBP, and that no amount of spin can return their damaged credibility. The propaganda efforts of Umno/BN cybertroopers aside, they need to realise that there is a lot of justified anger and disappointment at PR from people who are not in “cahoots” with BN. The sooner they acknowledge that, the sooner they can start working to redeem themselves in the eyes of the rakyat.
The “real enemy” are the politicians without principles, who break the promises they make. KBP showed that they can come from PR as well as BN.
Sincerely,
mh
P.S. BTW, KKLim is right in asking Hindraf where they were on the Kg. Pandan issue. Waytha & co., you have a question to answer!
naragan
September 26, 2009
The fact that politicians break their promises is not because they are bad politicians. It is because of the way the system really operates.It is becoming clear that it does not matter whether it is BN or PR who hold the reins of power, ultimately it is the power elite in the background,that wields true power. BN/PR are illusions of a difference. There is very little difference, especially for the poor and the marginalized. Ultimately, politics is about how the resources of the country are divided up. So more to the poor and marginalized will mean less to the rich and powerful. So when the rich and the powerful control the resource decision making levers of the country, what you can expect is a continuation of the poverty creating and marginalization processes. That is what Hindraf is realizing now after 18 months of PR governments in the 4 states. This is the politico-economic basis of Hindraf’s view.
headsup
September 30, 2009
When PR made promises on KG BP during GE12, they did not have the infor or realised what did shit KG BP folks were in.
By the time they took over the govt and got hold of the official documents, it was too late.
ong
September 26, 2009
“They need to realise that they have grievously wronged the people of KBP”.
Please don’t present your personal opinion as a fact!
“no amount of spin can return their damaged credibility”
Making a personal opinion sound like a fact is another form of spin!
sang kancil
September 26, 2009
Are you telling us BN is the way forward as you strongly believe that PR is unworkable? BN has spent the past 5 decades destroying the Malaysian communities and yet you still able to look to them as the way forward! My god what are you?
oA
September 27, 2009
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what a sweeping statement amount to ignorance, MH.
you obviously wrote this while you were stuck in your seemingly regular reverie only achievable in fairly tales?
before you put forth your seemingly righteous concern did you stop to ask yourself if that was achievable by any given situation as compare to everything else?
Dont shock us coming here magnifying your little mind putting forth such a narrow view of matter.
you are a good example between a person of reality and a dreamer. keep dreaming if that is what soothes you best.
by this i hope you dont take it to mean that I am humaneless.
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telur dua
September 27, 2009
The remnants of the demolished and stupid Gerakan in Penang would like Malaysians to believe that it is PR who actually sold the KBP land. Just because PR did not want to repudiate the contract signed by the previous BN Gomen?
If BN can take away the oil royalties from Terengganu in the past and also deny Kelantan their rightful share of oil royalties just because the were/are governed by PAS, wouldn’t it be a piece of cake for PR to not honour a contract signed by the past (BN) Gomen?
But PR can’t and won’t do it. Doing it would be an abuse of power, the exact same thing PR accuses BN of doing. Besides, it would look very bad in the eyes of foreign investors.
It is childish to keep harping on PR not keeping to their promises. At times their hands are tied.
Remember the HK Chek Lap Kok Airport controversy? The British Government signed the billion $$ conract to build it on the eve of handing back the territory to China. China made a fuss, but like a true gentleman (despite them being Communists), they honoured the contract.
Malaysian Heart
September 28, 2009
oA,
You could have addressed the points I raised above, but you seem to have chosen to indulge in name-calling instead. I will not return in kind, since I’m sure that between the two of us, we can do this name-calling thing ad infinitum and ad nauseaum. Unfortunately, that won’t get us any closer to understanding each other’s point of view.
Here’s a thought: why don’t you take another look at the points I raised, and rebut them? You obviously have strong opinions on this matter; all you have to do is gather some supporting evidence, and debunk what I have said. Since I am (as you put it) ignorant and have a small mind that’s stuck in my “regular reverie”, that should be quite easy to do.
Do that oA, and we will have something to discuss. We might even learn something we didn’t know before. Boleh?
Sincerely,
mh
P.S. Pakatan Rakyat leaders promised the residents of KBP that their homes would be protected. Here is the evidence. They didn’t seem too concerned about the achievability then. Now, they are accountable to the poor people they made those promises to (as they are to every Malaysian who cares for accountability and good governance).
oA
September 29, 2009
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MH,
maybe you should have asked :
what makes PR leaders break their promises?
is it because they are racist?
is it because they are humaneless and compassionless?
is it because they dislike poor people?
is it because they are greed and corrupted?
OR
is it because of something else NOT within the scope of your imagination?
.
kba
September 26, 2009
Amazing how a failure to be nominated as a candidate for a bi-election can change a man overnight. Can’t help but perceive that that was what he was after in the first place.
artchan
September 26, 2009
Indians in this country will not be twisted left right and centre by anyone..they will be screwed by the likes of Thanenthiran. One after another of indian leaders…all are same.
Pity the indian masses led by self serving crooks
Musa Susah
September 26, 2009
BN had 52 years to prove they are bad but PR is only 2 years old trying very hard to show they are good. Are you fair?. Hey PR, better clean up your house or else susah for you, yah!
budak ma-layu
September 27, 2009
musa susah,
how much umno pays you monthly to make these comments AGAINST PR whenever you felt like so?
It is peoples like you that makes mahadei an emperor, samy the indian god and thanentheran a screw that kills the indian masses.
musa, jadilah manusia yang berguna….jangan jadi orang-orang yang berdiri tengah sawah….hanya bergerak bila ADA ORANG (umno) SURUH (pasai umno sudah BAYAR!)……
temenggong
September 26, 2009
Dear Whisperer, PM and Yamashita,
Please understand that Hindraf and HRP remains as it is, intact and even stronger than before, and committed to bring down the Umno led BN govt that have violated the constitution for 50 years. They are the last people to talk to Umno and MIC and the latter two knows it. Hence their deal with MSP.
MSP is a break away group from Hindraf that is now aligned with Umno. Their invitation cards for the party launch costs RM 40 each, funded by Umno.
The Indian community now has the best leadership as never before, and the strongest ever support from the people. You have to know these leaders to get the real feel of things on the ground. Don’t worry about the politically savvy Indians, instead worry about the chinese and malays who have poor leadership.
As they (Hindraf/HRP) are committed to human rights and social justice, criticising PR is never a problem. Their stand on KBP should be looked in that angle.
Or would you rather they be a hypocrite ‘for the greater good’?
DAP is a chauvinist party as DAP leaders themselves admit. It is just that some things cannot be revealed. KBP is a fallout of that chauvinism.
ajajal
September 26, 2009
Sorry, for my language. I have many Indian friends
some are even like brothers to me. What some Indian
today dont see what the PM Najis is trying to split up the Indian. To me Najis takes the Indian like a commodity. He will either buy them or throw them away. All for his own mission to stay in power and continue to fool the people. Their is nothing truthful in this evil PM he can say good things on the Indian and make promises at the back he will get his Utusan PDRM AG MACC to organise the back stabbing.
Kalambong
September 26, 2009
Dear Haris,
Ada wang, ada a lot of things
That guy’s fight is only for $$$, not for Indians at all
I pity the Indians
They got cheated by Samy Vellu and now by this guy, again !
kunta
September 26, 2009
It takes one ass to cover another ass so where do you think your great partner got the money from?
Commercially you are right but morally you are wrong.
One thing for sure we wont support the party which join force with the devil.
Saiful
September 26, 2009
I am the least surprised at what happened to Thanenthiran. He started off well by fighting for the human rights of Indians. But like human right fighters everywhere, he believes that he has the right to do just anything he wants to do without having to consider the rights of those who think he doesn’t. This is also the view and the attitude of the secularists in our midst to whom religion is the last thing in their minds.
There are many people out there who are prepared to stake their lives in defense of secularism but have not the slightest idea of what secularism means.
It means, according to Webster’s Third International Dictionary, “A view of life or of any particular matter based on the premise that religion or religious considerations should be excluded or totally ignored e.g. a policy of strict secularism in government.”
To put it simply by way of an example: if you’re a businessman, you want to make money, right? So, go ahead and make it. You can steal, rob, hoard and swindle or whatever. Don’t worry about its being right or wrong, legal or illegal, moral or immoral. Likewise if you’re a politician, your ultimate aim is to sit on the number one chair in the country, right? So, go and get it. If needs be, you can woo, bribe, threaten, imprison or C4 (kill) people just to be in power or to remain there. Don’t bother about divine rewards and punishments and don’t talk about paradise and hell fire because all these are but religious considerations!
So what’s wrong with Thanenthiran? He’s just doing what any other secularist would do. He has his ambitions. He has his worldly needs. And, of course, none for the Hereafter. UMNO/BN, being secularists themselves with tons of tax payers money at their disposal would be just too happy to accommodate him or anybody else especially in view of the coming Bagan Pinang by election. Mark my word, there are many more like him in PR who are right now peeping at the door, just waiting for the right time and the right price to strike a deal with UMNO/BN.
Only religious people like the much respected Kelantan Menteri Besar, Tuan Guru Nik Abdul Aziz, who believes in Allah, the One and Only True God, and His Messenger and, by extension, believes he is accountable before his Creator for every single act of commission or omission, with Paradise and Hell waiting for him in the Hereafter, will not bite UMNO/BN’s carrot.
I notice, of late, quite a large number of people have been praising TGNA for his high principle, religious scruples, piety and modesty. But why stop at praise? Why don’t we also practice what he does? Why can’t we be as religious as he is?
With so much problem and misery being faced everywhere today as a result of secularist thinking, there’s now a dire need for everyone to abandon secularism and come back to his or her religion. Study all the various religious scriptures, including the Holy Quran with Arabic text alongside the translation, and make comparison and then only you can find the truth. To quote John 8:32 “You shall (must) know truth and the truth shall make you happy”. And thus be a better man.
And as for Bagan Pinang by election on October 11, do tell everyone over there – your friends, relatives, acquaintances – to just vote for ABU i.e. “Asalkan Bukan UMNO” or “Anything But UMNO”.
doinkers
September 26, 2009
Its easier to say that everyone should walk the high road, be noble & self-righteous.
But the reality is that life is hard. Its even harder when you’ve got a family and you’re required as the man to put food on the table.
Have to say its a god damn shame, another good man to the cause ends up turning tricks.
abuzar rashid
September 26, 2009
would I be lambasted as a racist if I were to say “Yeah, thats the trouble when you deal with Indians – just dont know what they are up to – and isnt this mistrust the fundamental reason that explains their abject failure in society”
abuzar rashid,
I think so.
A racist statement, it is
than
September 27, 2009
there you racial sterotypes all over again.
vithia
September 26, 2009
Definitely political whoring. I say better now than later. As an indian i don’t need another party claiming to represent my needs. I need a truly malaysian party that will represent what all malaysians want as one for the future of this beloved country.
Newchief
September 26, 2009
this is ONE SMART FELLOW BUT IS ALSO ONE DANGEROUS FELLOW !! he will ‘kill’ you at the back for supporting him and will ‘kill’ you in front for not supporting him so malaysians especially the indians, THINK TWICE !!!
jungleboy
September 26, 2009
All along he was riding on the popularity wave of hindraf for his personal gain. Right now in his mind he is envisioning a senatorship if BN won the B.Pinang by-election, claiming credit for the victory. If najis refuse him, then we will see the other head.
Steven Yang
September 26, 2009
This is what will happen to the Indian. Just like some of the Buah Pala resident, they do not understand what VALUE means but keep asking for bigger compensation. A double house in 2 years time at PRIME location would be worth much much more.
Now another traitor from Hindraf who only think of monetary gains and all his slogan are just bullshit no ethic and principle at all. Luckily he was not selected for Bukit Selambau.
THATS WHY THE INDIAN ARE BEING MARGINALISED hoping for miracles from their leaders instead of using their head and work hard.
wordsarewords
September 27, 2009
“THATS WHY THE INDIAN ARE BEING MARGINALISED hoping for miracles from their leaders instead of using their head and work hard”
ah! such a statement from a chinese in this country.this think “too highly of themselves” have gone straight to their heads.but they tend to forget that they have no moral high ground when speaking about others.
maybe the arrogant chinese in this country should not practise discrimination in private sector (which is well documented) against the indians(whom are sometimes more qualified).
when the majority of malaysian chinese write or speaks/condemn about others,all i hear and read is bla,bla,bla….
btw,haris ,well done for contributing to the open season of indian bashing/insult/slurs.also.i notice on the streets that people are using hindraf as a cover to insult malaysian indians in general.
Steven Yang
September 26, 2009
Pakatan Rakyat must now be very careful. This clearly shows that this shit of Najis UMNO is now using the most despicable way of infiltrating and buying PR ADUN.
Those who are in financial trouble or looking for monetary gains will be the target. Look at Perak, that traitor Hee who husband is heavily in debt and the 2 PK who are on corruption charges. Now you have Hasan from PAS and Thanenthiran from Hindraf who aspired for financial greed or position.
This is the type of Malaysia or government that you have if you continue to have this Shit (Najis) be the government. A disbarred lawyer who misappropriate 161,000, a person found guilty of money politics can be the CM of Malacca or stand for election in Bukit Pinang, Entice 3 corruptible people for power grab in Perak, use the MACC in the most despicable act against DAP assembly for a power grab, now they are using Hasan. Entice a traitor from Hindraf.
AND FINALLY THE EXCESS OF UMNO PEOPLE LIKE KHIR TOYO WHO OWN A 24 MILLION PALACE, PORT KLANF FIASCO, AND THE BIGGEST SCANDAL WILL BE OUT SOON THE BAKUN DAM.
HOW MANY MORE EXCESSES DO YOU WANT IF YOU CONTINUE TO VOTE BN OR THIS MOTHER OF ALL SHITS – THE NAJIS
musangking
September 26, 2009
It is amazing how shamelessly this guy can carrying on his double-headed snake act. If the Indian community in Malaysia cannot see his treachey, and if they then support this fella, then I do not feel sorry any more for the Indian community. You get what you vote for. All along they voted for the Semi Value, and they got what they deserved. Now they have a chance to set new directions with Pakatan. But if they think this snake is going to pull them out of their pits, then I would not say to them …god riddance.
wordsarewords
September 27, 2009
is that so?. and what did the indians do during the last election? how many seats did mic win? who won sungai siput?maybe you were a sleep.
btw,how many seats did mca win?…..
with people like you i feel vindicated.
musangking
September 26, 2009
I mean “good riddance”
KKLim
September 26, 2009
Just to reply to Malaysian Heart, don’t forget the KBP residents had taken their case to the High Court w.r.t the ownership of the land and the court has ruled on the matter. This was later reinforced by the ruling in the Appeals Court. Do not speak is if the state did not take cognisance of the legal rights of the KBP folks. In my opinion, the state govt’s was only to salvage something out of a bad situation for the KBP folks. However, instead of working hand in hand and cooperating with the state govt, did u see the unruly behaviour and hear the types of abuses that they hurled on the CM and the DCM ? It was so racial, so extreme n so nasty that any decent person with self dignity would have wash their hands and walk off the matter. This why I praised the CM and the DCM for their fortitude and their mangnanimity.
Have no fear for the PR Govt, Malaysian Heart. A PR Govt led by leaders like LGE who had done their days in prison for even a single marginalised and dispossessed Malay girl will not sell the interest of a whole community, much less a marginalised community. Only those who do not know where to place their interest has to fear, for the opportunism of their self proclaimed leaders may result in the interset of the whole community being sold, knowingly or unknowingly.
Bigjoe
September 27, 2009
The fact of the matter is BN feudal formula is unable to deliver equitable distribution period. UMNO is all about getting one up on the others. The Chinese after 40 years and migration in the millions have NOT lost their share of the economy and wealth and hence will never lose their share. So where is the share for the Indians going to come from? There is only one answer to that and these idiots don’t know that Najib knows the answer and they don’t.
ong
September 27, 2009
“..these idiots don’t know that Najib knows the answer and they don’t.” I have to go for more English lessons to understand you, Bigjoe!
kyototan
September 27, 2009
Let see the what Makal Sathi can be shown here. It seem that the more people are said to be fighting for the marginlise the more the marginlise get spilt and marginlise. The MIC, IPF, Mahkal Sakthi. PPP are all political parties that are dorminate by Indian or are Indian base party. Are they not spliting and getting them more marginlise or uniting the Indian to fight for their right? If from the very begining the Buah Pala resibent are unite this Indian community show piece shall still exsist.
History are there for us to refer to. Look at China dynasty history, because of some individual who want to enrich themselve the empire fall. No matter what is going to happen we must stand unite to overcome and bring changes.Only a true and sincere Mahkal Sakthi can lead us to that point.
LKO
September 27, 2009
Thanenthiran was a successful restaurant owner in the past. His support of Hindraf has made him broke. “Someone” burnt 2 of his vehicles including 1 new one. Could not claim insurance. He had to close at least one of his restaurant.
His support of Hindraf may have swayed because of this. Now he is justifying himself as helping those that would not be helped by both Pakatan or MIC.
I don’t believe there is an outright rejection or being disowned by Hindraf head honchos. They owed him for his persistence in fighting for them.
Is he right to be a turncoat? Probably not. Will he attract much support? Probably the ones that are hardcore MIC only.
syazana
September 27, 2009
With this little “background” information of Thanenthiran I do feel a little compassion for him.
People feel they must do what they do for survival or whatever heck they call it, I must have some respect for that.
But then I guess, for me, at the end of the day, we all die, and we got to answer the Maker for our deeds, if all else fails to be the marker of our truth/sense of morality.
For men like Thanenthiran, what justification could he have for his choices? They may stand valid to us, but the shame and utter dissolving of the soul should he repeat those to his Maker.. I feel for him.
Billy
September 27, 2009
There is an understanding in BN that a new party can’t get in if one current member of the BN coalition veto the application. A good example is the IPF founded by the late Pandithan. It has already been 20 years and they are still operating from the outside with nothing to show. I believe Makkal Sathi Party may be heading in that direction. Najib has to be very very careful. If he allows this Makka Sathi party in, then it is confirmed that MIC has become irrelevant in the coalition. A precedent would have been set for the IPF then to follow suit to become a member of the coalition as well otherwise, you will find IPF members turning around to support the PR out of sheer frustration. The PR must stick to its multi-racial platform come what may and must not admit racist parties like this Makkat Sathi party into their fold.
bangkalipoeylukiaka
September 27, 2009
Hi, Brother Haris, Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri to you and your family.
Best wishes.
Meng
September 27, 2009
Meng,
If I erred in allowing the comment you are responding to, allowing yours through wont right that wrong.
Meng
September 27, 2009
Haris, your decision is respected. Thanks.
Musa Susah
September 28, 2009
HEY BUDAK MELAYU!!( Tambi)
Kamu tahu baca atau tidak? Dan kalau tahu baca boleh paham dak?. You can’t even catch what I am writing and you jump to the wrong conclusion. Please also read my other comments on this and other blogs. Money I want but not dirty money. INI LAH PROBLEM DENGAN EDUCATION SYSTEM OF OUR COUNTRY. Do you mean to say that by advising/critisizing PR to clean up their house is tantamount to being anti PR? What a pigeon brain.
Let me tell you this if Musa Hassan did tell me this then it is more true about the scenario I described. I was born way before Merdeka, I have seen and mixed around with many ethnic groups with different political leanings and I dare to tell you that BN(UMNO) may lose the election but the opposition(winner) will not get to rule this country. I suggest you do more fact finding before you condemn me. If you still cannot catch me than I will really pray for you.
Wanakam Tambi.
navinda
September 28, 2009
Just after September 2008, a friend from Butterworth called me. He said, “watch out for this guy. He is now active in Hindraf but is out to make a name and money for himself. Money is all he cares for.” My friend has been proved right.
speedline
September 28, 2009
BN had completed their agenda.They knew Hindraf would spoilt their votes and what a better way if Najib could court and convince Thanenthiran to form a party and liase with BN.A dream come true for BN.They are on losing grounds now,a fact known by everyone based on the past by election results.But for me Thanen is an opportunist who has his own agenda which is to enrich himself and his new cronies.Same method used by MIC.He just merely used Hindraf as an platform to gain popularity and since he got suspended,where should he go?BN of course and BN would be very happy to split the Indian votes and hope for the majority of Malay votes.
hartalmsm
September 28, 2009
UMNO is so tainted, anyone allying with them will have some of the stink rub off on them. It remains to be seen just how much real grassroots support Thanintheran can maintain when he’s sucked into the UMNOputra system.
PM
September 28, 2009
The malacca CM said umno don’t need their, Indian votes to win and now Najib is courting them….also to tell samy he is not needed anymore??? How nice.
Abit more, I believe he was the first one to be hand picked or targeted for neutralising when his business was hard hit. Those who are close to him were neutralised much earlier and these are the ones who are now backing him strongly to be in the BN court. Money ..money
Shakuntala
September 28, 2009
Oh, by the way, I like your discourse Malaysian Heart…you do have a heart and your logo the HIBISCUS…our national flower, is tender as a flower…
The Indians in Malaysia really ought to de-Indianise themselves…for a bit at least..before they get swallowed up by false and empty prophets who come riding by seemingly on white steeds.
The so called knight errants, in search of cheap adventure and power,all at the cost of not… the rich Indian…but the POOR, those who don’t have a voice like pitiful Kugan, those who are in such dire straits that the bottle with toddy inside seems the only answer, in rainbow colours, to their persistent underdog status.
In this country the poor Indian is a debased individual without a voice, being degraded to be without even a Soul. And this is the Indian who Thanenthiran is targeting as his,”Follow Me” disciple.
Please Indian Malaysians,move away from tricksters, adopt a Malaysian mentality, get rid of your narrow and stale INDIAN way of thinking .. following any old ‘Hero’,like you do a film star,…all looks and no substance.
Please follow a leader with grit and moral standing,a leader who will not lose the common touch that you must be proud to have.
People like Sami Veloo and Thanenthiran, many more, but these are the front runners, it appears for the moment…are really men without character, riding the crest of a wave that’s stinks of money, immoral principles and trickery. Including colourful scandals!
So at the end of the day, the Malaysian Indian has to get rid of his weakness for adulation and demand a better deal for himself as a MALAYSIAN. Not as a separate entity,not as an Indian, but as part of One People One Nation of fresh thinking…Malaysians.
Don’t be duped by powerful conmen, whores as Haris calls them, who are making use of your innosense to advance their own coffers.
They have no interest at all to advance your social status…they will use your goodselves to create an enemy in you and use you, to continue to divide and rule this country of ours.
So wake up, think for yourselves and …THINK MALAYSIAN!
Jit Dharma
September 29, 2009
Thanks Temenggong for clearing the air about
Hindraf’s current position.
Abang Haris, looks like this man Thenan, started out
as s lion and turned into a pussycat.
LGE’s amateurish handling of KPB, turned what could
have been a golden opportunity into a quagmire.His
capability, in my humble estimation has dropped a
great deal. However,I believe that the Indian people
of Bagan Pinang will join the fight against the
tyranny of BN. I hope to be proven right.
Indiran
September 29, 2009
Sam,
I feel the pain for all those who moved around and championed the HINDRAF..Now the leaders have gone in different directions.
berlytan83
September 30, 2009
This new Indian party as mentioned is a proof that Najib is a good player in politic. One thing is puzzling me is that can he play out Indian voters easily as he think?
He can play this so called Thananenthiran’s asininity, but can he trick other Indians?
PH Chin
October 1, 2009
According to CS Lewis, God is playing a joke on those who seek after power at all costs. I wonder is Thananthiren one of them ?
amoker
October 7, 2009
ROS can work pretty efficiently eh?