The Sabahan Muslim PKR man I shall call M. His Catholic counterpart, I shall call C.
I met both last Friday night.
Both declined to be audio recorded.
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Me : Anwar’s appointment as Sabah PKR chief early this year was never opposed, right?
M : Not opposed does not mean everybody is happy about it.
Me : So some were unhappy. Why? Was this made known?
M : Look, his wife is the president, but everyone knows Anwar is the real leader of PKR. So you have the top PKR man in the country now taking over the running of PKR Sabah. You can’t really go up to him and say “We’re not happy”. Some people thought that a local person would be more effective. Anyway, some also thought that with Anwar heading PKR in Sabah, it might be easier to get things done for Sabah in KL. So it might not be such a bad idea to have Anwar as the head.
C : Do you remember the elections in Sabah in 1994? You know what happened?
Me : You are referring to the elections won by PBS but which eventually saw a BN state government in place through defections from PBS?
C : Yes. Many in Sabah still remember this. And many still remember that Anwar was behind it. The people of Sabah had chosen their government but the politicians from Semenanjung, led by Anwar, were going to decide who should rule in Sabah.
Sabahans do not like it when Semenanjung people impose their will on Sabahans. ( M nodding in agreement )
Sorry, but Sabahans do not fully trust Semenanjung politicians, and Anwar is no different. ( M nodding in agreement ). People from Semenanjung tell us he is a changed man after his long time in jail. I don’t know. If Mahathir had not played him out, and he had become PM, would his politics be what it is now?
Last year, after the elections, Anwar started to speak of ‘ketuanan rakyat’. Is this for real or only political talk? Is ketuanan rakyat only for the rakyat in the Semenanjung and not also for the rakyat in Sabah and Sarawak? If the rakyat of Sabah are tuan, then let Sabahans decide who will lead PKR Sabah. ( M nodding in agreement )
M : Anwar must convince us that he is a changed man, that he no longer holds to the politics of UMNO, that PKR is not another UMNO.
Me : The PKR top man passed the post of Sabah chief to a PKR vice-president. Shouldn’t Azmin be given the same chance that you all were prepared to give to Anwar?
M : Jeffrey Kitingan is also vice-president of PKR. Should he not be given a chance to lead PKR in Sabah? Or is it that he is not from Semenanjung? Or because he is not a Malay Muslim? Please do not export ketuanan Melayu to Sabah.
Me : But shouldn’t Azmin at least be given a chance to do what he was appointed to do?
M : Go and ask him what he has done for PKR Sabah since June that is worth talking about. Ask him what he has done that the Sabahan PKR leaders could not have done.
Me : It has been suggested that because of the scrambling for positions amongst the Sabahan PKR leaders, it would be difficult to pick one Sabahan to lead without aggravating the others. Therefore, in the short-term, with a view to strengthening the party, pick an outsider as an interrim measure. What would you say to this?
C : Commonlah, you mean to say that the PKR leaders in Semenanjung are not also looking to climb up in the party? Azmin wants to remain vice-president forever? This is normal. What Anwar can do is get all aspiring candidates for the position of chief to agree to close ranks and work together once the choice of the local leader has been made. Of course, if you choose someone who does not have the support of the locals, do not expect that the chosen one will get the co-operation of the others. I’m sure this is the same in Semenanjung.
Me : The 16 PKR division chiefs who expressed no confidence in Azmin have asked for his removal with immediate effect. Azmin, however, has reportedly said that he will relinquish the post when the time is right. He says that this is a matter to be decided by the party’s Supreme Council. What if the Supreme Council stands by Azmin’s appointment?
C : ( Laughing ) That would mean that Semenanjung politicians not only cannot be completely trusted, but that they are also not very clever.
Me : Who would you like to see as head of PKR in Sabah?
M : Jeffery Kitingan ( C nods in agreement )
Me : Do you think that Jeffery would be acceptable to most, if not all of the divisions?
C : He would definitely be preferred to Azmin
Golden Son of Kadazan
October 14, 2009
Sorry, I disagree with you Harris, actually Dr Jeffrey is not influential leader as he was in the 1990s due to his worst political records, we also still remember his blunder during the 1994 PBS where he declared himself to be his brother successor, he calloborated with the then DPM Anwar but he failed to registered his own party then he jumped to PBRS anticipating to be the President then again failed and then jumped to AKAR, PBS again and jumped again to…and the list go on…and currently an exiled PKR leader…I think he is finished but not down because his brother Pairin will give him a another chance or break in PBS for the coming GE13 and this will be very interesting or maybe many “surprises” will come out before that.
troubadour
October 14, 2009
Haris,
We must always remember (and not to forget or erase from our minds) that ex-UMNO and ex-UMNOALLIES are the ones attracted to PKR. They almost always carry the notion that political positions equal opportunities to make MONEY. Everything is about MONEY and nothing else. BN will continue to rule forever if this behaviour continues. We can forget about reform! A struggle IS a struggle only when there are sacrifices and certainly monetory is top of the list, i.e. giving or at worst NOT GETTING ANY.
As you lawyers say again and again, I rest my case.
troubadour
Dr. Amrit Sekhon
October 14, 2009
I have to give credence in Sabahan Politicians,,they are matured, color blind, religion blind, progressive atitudes, fair and equal in their governing. Its only the west that imposes on them in the name of federal governance.
arianna
October 14, 2009
Not Sabahan politicians but that of her people. We have a few good men but most kissed the arse of the BN leaders for their own political survival.
If the electoral rolls are not manipulated and littered with “phantom voters’ in the likes of illegal immigrants whose service are enlisted during general elections, none of the Umno YBs, corrupt politicians (regardless of their party affiliation) would win or re-elected.
That’s how matured and independent thinking Sabahans are.
Dr. Amrit Sekhon
October 14, 2009
West = West Malaysia
Paul Warren
October 14, 2009
Well, if Bagan Pinang has not given the 3 PR parties a wake up call, I don’t know what will!!
I think I am going to have to think about this, process it, digest it and absorb it before I begin to eschew an new way of looking forward.
But one encounter with a very young Keadilan member last Saturday in Bagan Pinang at the ceramah at the DAP operations centre has got me thinking.
An Indian bloke with a couple of Malay colleagues as onlookers started saying, as a matter of fact, “we minorities….”. I stopped him in his tracks and asked, “what minorities?”. “Are we all not part of the majority if we are all Anak Bangsa Malaysia?”
Naraka Chaturdashi Parva Kota Kinabalu
October 14, 2009
There is an ancient Chinese proverb: “A fiery Dragon is no match for a Local Worm.”
Oswald A. Lajawa
October 14, 2009
Would like to know more…
yong
October 14, 2009
PKR wake up !! U need 2 close ranks with not only your grass roots but your partners. Show a united
front- Together We stand- Divided We fall.
Pl have a common stand for the good of the Rakyaat
od ALL Malaysia.
No Politic
October 14, 2009
I just wonder how many original people especially rural are people understand the different between Ketuanan Melayu and Ketuanan Rakyat and what benefit that is going to bring to them from the both slogan or it is merely a slogan after all.
I would like to suggest to Barisan Rakyat that from now on, BR should start record down the delivery done by all our politicians regardless of which party they come from so this will be a good reference for people to judge their representative comes next election. If individual level KPI cannot be done, at least it must be at strict or state or even as party level (BN vs PR). Since now more and more young generation are accessing internet, this will be serve as politic education to them and for them to choose a better politician in future. It is also time to educate all the people to keep track what has been promise by the politician party and what has been delivered and have a mindset to differential in between deliver and rhetoric.
In summary, I hope BR can have a BR KPI for the rakyat to refer when comes to the next election
pkler
October 14, 2009
Well, Jeffrey also cannot be trusted! He is a katak par excellence. I agree very much with C and M about semenanjung politicians by and large (LKS has always seemed sincere with Sabah and Sarawak though), and I will never trust Anwar after his role in 1994. However, better to have a semenanjung pollie running PKR Sabah than a local who continues the bitter in-fighting. We can’t complain about external intervention when internally we can’t keep everyone on the same boat. But the external candidate has to do his/her job, and do it twice as well as a local to win acceptance. What pray tell has Azmin done? Jackshit…
arianna
October 14, 2009
Jeffrey is a ‘katak’, all right but his politics never changes.
He opposed ketuanan semenanjung (colonisation) and fought for the rights of an autonomy rule in Sabah since he entered politics and stayed true to his principles even after he was ISAed for want a better Sabah if not independent of Malaysia.
The rest of his ex-PBS colleagues including the most vocal Yong Teck Lee even kissed BN until his fall from grace.
However, Jeffrey is getting older and though he is still a good leader, Sabah needs younger and credible leaders to take the helm eventually.
Timothy Dalton
October 14, 2009
Common sense lah….
Even the United States of American run and populated by the Whites has large number disagreement in appointing Obama (Black African American) as its President. Now Obama is Great Man compared to Azmin, its like the Sun and the Earth difference. So, in the States, they wanted the White, hence in Sabah we should install their Local lah instead from Peninsula. Would India accept an Arab to be its President/Leader or Malay to be Chinese President…. No way, at all except if he is able to speak fluent local language or dialects, like Fujimori in Peru.
Let Sabahan lead Sabah, and Sarawakian run Sarawak. Anyway, whats so special with Azmin Ali anyway???
Sabahan
October 14, 2009
That’s the way Sabahans are, we seldom judge people based on their religions, until one party came over and wrecked havoc..
jesseltonite
October 14, 2009
Haris..I don’t know who u spoke to but these two guys seem to also forget that Jeffrey sat in the top post in Yayasan Sabah and siphoned off millions and millions of timber money. I am of the opinion that Anwar did the right thing. PKR Sabah needs to be cleaned up of kataks and BN-has beens.
yes..these two persons might support Jeffrey to lead PKR Sabah..but they are talking about Ketuanan Rakyat. If they really want Ketuanan Rakyat..they should listen to the voices of Sabahans..Sabahans do not trust Peninsula politicians..but we sure hell do not trust Jeffrey for what he’s done during PBS days!
For Sabah PKR to be strong..they need to remove Jeffrey and the old generation politicians..start recruiting new members from the younger, educated generation..do what the DAP in Sabah is doing..get clean and principled people to work on the team and, if suitable, contest seats..
Sabah PKR needs to clean up its act. It’s gonna be tough fighting Sabah BN machinery..but it’s not impossible. We need clean unblemished leaders..not tainted politicians like Jeffrey..he is carrying too much baggage..Sabahans will not support him.
This is an honest opinion of a loyal Sabahan who loves this state and country very much…..which is what PR really needs to win the Sabahan vote. I know not many will agree…but I thank you for letting my voice be heard….
jesseltonite
October 14, 2009
Haris..I don’t know who u spoke to but these two guys seem to also forget that Jeffrey sat in the top post in Yayasan Sabah and siphoned off millions and millions of timber money. I am of the opinion that Anwar did the right thing. PKR Sabah needs to be cleaned up of kataks and BN-has beens.
yes..these two persons might support Jeffrey to lead PKR Sabah..but they are talking about Ketuanan Rakyat. If they really want Ketuanan Rakyat..they should listen to the voices of Sabahans..Sabahans do not trust Peninsula politicians..but we sure hell do not trust Jeffrey for what he’s done during PBS days!
For Sabah PKR to be strong..they need to remove Jeffrey and the old generation politicians..start recruiting new members from the younger, educated generation..do what the DAP in Sabah is doing..get clean and principled people to work on the team and, if suitable, contest seats..
Sabah PKR needs to clean up its act. It’s gonna be tough fighting Sabah BN machinery..but it’s not impossible. We need clean unblemished leaders..not tainted politicians like Jeffrey..he is carrying too much baggage..Sabahans will not support him.
This is an honest opinion of a loyal Sabahan who loves this state and country very much…..which is what PR really needs to win the Sabahan vote. I know not many will agree…but I thank you for letting my voice be heard….
We don’t want ketuanan Semenanjung….we don’t want ketuanan PKR….we don’t want ketuanan Melayu….we only want law and order..and our full rights as Sabahans in accordance to the 20-point agreement..a full fledged partner together with Sarawak and Malayans..as an Anak Bangsa Malaysia..
Jong
October 14, 2009
…Jeffery Kitingan? I thought this toady’s political inclination changes as often as he has his breakfast, lunch and dinner and still waiting for the big Magnum/Toto win?
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 14, 2009
I am a voter and I want all Malaysian to know that there is no strong opposition party in Sabah since PBS joined UMNO. PKR are not so influential here because many people still thinking that PKR is party based in Semenanjung. Do you know that most of the people here want a party based in Sabah? Our only hope had cracked after the only opposition (PBS) joined BN. (There are parties based in here such PBRS, UPKO but they are with UMNO)
Then I asked you.. who will we to vote? nowadays people here starting looking at PKR as an alternative after the last GE, but we want our people on the top of Sabah PKR, not someone from Semenanjung…
Hamba
October 14, 2009
It would seem to me that politician ( Malaysian politician) that we have now are all useless. All of them are only thinking about one thing… POWER(POWER=MONEY). It doesn’t matter if they are PKR, UMNO, PAS or DAP or MCA, MIC,… Each and everyone of them is thinking about power when they should be thinking about the rakyat. Until we have politician the likes of Tommy Thomas from Canada for example,who fight for the people, we may never see a better future. It puzzles me that Malaysia with its 25 million population cannot produce a single Tommy Thomas or even Dr Martin Luther King or even Mahatma Ghandi??? Aside from TG Nik Aziz, who else do we see that fits the bill? It’s a scary thing to see Malaysian politic without truly honest and principled politician. Or maybe those honest and principled politician aren’t born yet or maybe they are not born yet and so happen will not receive his/her education here in Malaysia….Maybe? Hope spring eternal!
pkler
October 14, 2009
Dr. Amrit, you hold our politicians in higher regard than any of us Sabahans!!! They are clowns, like their brethren over the South China Sea. Semua sama….
Realist
October 14, 2009
Harris, guess you met Dr. Jeffrey’s usual marketeer. The real truth on ground is Dr. Jeffrey, Ansari & Christina and some of PKR liaison personalities are less than acceptable for te Change that we want for Sabah. Get those new fellas lar … so what if people say, thy have no influence, so what if people say, nobody knows them…. what is important is PKR picks new untainted personalities and train the to lead, humble them as a servant of the rakyat and demand from them the discipline of Mr.Gandhi. Let us create a new standard of expectations for anyone entering politics as each of them markets themselves to the electorate and claim to be the best. So for PKR or PR to give a credible choice for the Electorate, choose new and untainted personalities so the electorate can compare them with the tainted personalities in BN.
Reformat and Reboot PKR Sabah. Azmin or Anwar is just a tool to end so that Sabah will rightfully be emplaced as a partner in Malaysia. That would be the revolution.
Sabahan
October 14, 2009
SAPP is a force not to be reckoned with in the next GE, if they play the games correctly..
TawauGuy
October 14, 2009
Agreed.
arianna
October 14, 2009
SAPP? The same party who paved way strongly for Umno? The same party who colluded with Anwar Ibrahim to grab power in Sabah in 1994 and ignored the people’s mandate?
What do you know. SAPP with Yong tried to repeat the 1994 Sabah power grab by pulling out of BN in 2008 to support Anwar’s Sept 16 (failed coup) thinking that the rest of BN’s YBs especially from Sabah would jump ship.
Yong was instrumental in getting PBS out of BN back in the 1980s and conveniently put the blame on Pairin saying the latter as president of PBS should not have listened to him.
This same Yong/SAPP became BN’s most ardent supporters after the 1994 coup. To the extent he became their ‘lapdog’ and forgot about Sabah’s interest.
Now that SAPP/Yong is out of BN, they are going around Sabah selling the ‘Sabah interest’ issue again.
Give me one good reason why I should trust hism and SAPP to vote for them in the PRU13.
taufiq abdullah
October 14, 2009
whom do u talked to harris? 2 idiots appointed to market dr j?
what influeunce drj have? 2004 election pkr sabah did better without dr j. 2008 pkr did well everywhere but sabah. that was with dr j in. with the figures we have the only conclusion we can make is even the dusun (tradional opposition voters) deserted opposition when dr j came in. people like jalumin, ag mat sah, daniel john are a bunch of idiots who think they areinfluencial politician when in reality they r just what they r, a bunch of morons planted by bn leaders!!
Victorinox
October 14, 2009
Harris,
Sabah PKR must be lead by their own people.Not leaders from semenanjung. Boot out the old leaders whom are used to the money…….. Get a new generation of leaders. We need the support from sabah and sarawak in order to get rid of UMNO in the coming GE
law of the jungle
October 14, 2009
Dont care who will lead sabah & sarawak as long as we have to change the present goverment.It take to long to do it please do it in the next general election. The present gorverment is to much in control of every things, what they say is rule and what the citizen says they opresed. They took all our hard earn money by putting up all the big project into their pockets. We pay and pay income tax but at the end they pokected all our money.Look at all the BN party leaders they are all very rich with some of them even able to own jumbo jets, where the money come from, you think they can become rich so fast, what type of bissiness they are doing ? Doing busniss without capital and make all the easy money. Rayat bodoh ka !!!!!!!!! Boot them out next GE.
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 14, 2009
SAPP seems to support PKR but many KDM think SAPP is a chinese party and KDM is not ready to vote for SAPP even though it will be an opposition someday. You should know that KDM is the majority of the population here (even though some KDM are called “malay” because they are muslim and had their “bin” on their name).
The SPR statistic is wrong because it stated that Keningau Parlimen is Malay Majority but I born here and live here most of my time and I know who’s the majority.
sampalee
October 14, 2009
Malaysia have RPK Haris,Malik and many capable leaders.However all the political institutions are manned by leaders who are extremely selfish,from annuar from pr and najib in bn.
Firstly we must ask why should god give us good leaders when we ignore the kithab in so many essential areas.
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 14, 2009
Dear my fellow Malaysian,
you need someone from Sabah to explain all this problem and I will try my best to explain so that all of us know what actually the rakyat here talking about.
1. We want a party based in our land to lead us no matter if the party will team up with PKR someday soon. We like PKR but we love our own party based in Sabah, remember when PBS emerged, PBS got a huge support from us to form a goverment. (But PBS has left us with no choice to join with the rest of BN component).
2. PKR is an alternative for us to vote for (I vote PKR in the last GE, but alas! we’ve lost), but we want Sabahan in the top of Sabah PKR. We do not want someone from semenanjung to lead Sabah PKR.
3. There is no strong opposition here, no one can persuade us to vote and when GE came, we have no choice but to put our vote for BN or better not to vote at all. It had happened more than 10 years right now after PBS join BN. (Yes! no opposition party after PBS joined BN) The only opposition here is PKR, but the main weaknesses of PKR is that they field someone unknown to the voters and the voters didn’t convinced enough that those candidates can serve them well. Now PKR had exist more that 10 years and now people starting to look PKR as an alternative after the last GE. (We actually dumbfounded when knowing that PKR win many parliaments seat in semenanjung in the next morning after the last GE because most of the PKR candidates here lost with their deposit) Now people here know that PKR had became a strong party and we are ready to vote for PKR anytime by now IF only PKR understand what we want. (I actually vote for PKR at the last GE)
4. SAPP seems to support PKR and I bet they will team up with PKR in the next GE (SAPP now is still independent party). The only problem is that many supporters mainly KDM thinking SAPP is a chinese based party because it’s headed by Yong Teck Lee. The KDM is not ready to give they vote for SAPP in the next future just like the Malays in semenanjung prefer to vote UMNO or PAS then MCA and the same with semenanjung chinese, the semenanjung chinese also ready to vote for MCA but not UMNO. We here are just like the rest in peninsular. Do you know that the majority of Sabah population is actually KDM? That’s why there are three parties representing the KDM, the parties are PBS, PBSR and UPKO. How? Because the head of these three parties is actually KDM and that’s why most of the KDM community will likely to vote them! Don’t trust SPR voters statistic in Sabah. If you read it on the newspaper every time election came, you will find that the majority to the most of the constituency is Malay (in Sabah!), but that’s statistic is wrong. I born and live in the District of Keningau and I have most of my time here and I know who’s the majority here. You can go to many of the kampungs here only to find that the villagers are actually KDM! Come here and find it out if you don’t believe me.
5. I think the problem for PKR to reach all the community here is that UMNO-BN controlling most of the mainstream media and PR doesn’t have that kind of privilege. Many of the voters are villagers live in the remote area. They seldom go for shopping and seldom read newspaper. They only have the radio, TV1 and TV2 which controlled by BN. Internet service only found in the urban area such as city which PR hope to spread they message. Only small percentage people live in the kampung area subscribing internet service. The remote kampung doesn’t have that facilities, even water and electric supply also not found in the remote kampung. The will likely ready to vote BN because they hope those facilities will eventually given to them as promised by the BN in every time when election came by. What PR can promise to these villagers?
Dear my fellow Malaysian, I may sound “kolot” because of what I (we) said. You can call us immature voters but if PKR want to win here, PKR must dancing the song we sung. That’s it…
adamckteh
October 14, 2009
Let any able Sabahan leads Sabah, DSAI could be adviser.
colimac
October 14, 2009
give annuar a chance.he is fighting nail & tooth with the bn hagemony.its the first time the opposition have controllin gthe bn held states and thay are going to take time to learn to govwern these states.a single mistake shouls not be construed as dirty.if any sabahan is a loyal opposition meneber, he has to take all this initial teething problems and be steadfast aboutit .sabahans are not making noise about musa’s crony being caugh in h.kong with loads of money if the sahabans are not going to support the opposition then who to vote for? the bn you mean,then i wish sabahans the best
mangofruit
October 14, 2009
Hi all, please read RPK’s article today in MT. He is the only orang Malaya who can think sensibly. He has a great mind!
Bumihijau
October 14, 2009
Remember, Sabahan does want neither UMNO/BN or PR. Only local based party. Believe me.
Bumihijau
October 15, 2009
typo error. no should nor
Bumihijau
October 15, 2009
or should nor
Shakuntala
October 15, 2009
We don’t want an inheritance of disgusting politicians for Malaysia and Malaysians.
We don’t want to witness the country’s so called leaders, or would be leaders, engaging themselves in back-biting, money laundering and making claims to power and territory.
If party politicking and personality cults are allowed to take centre stage,how is civil society going to get the support of such persons, to help bridge the inequalities in our society.
We are at a stage when more and more of us are becoming aware of the misuse of human rights in this country. And we are demonstrating our discontent.
We are at a stage, when more and more Malaysians are beginning to dismiss clever and opportunist tags like Ketuanan Melayu and Keturunan Melayu… as mere senseless slogans.
When civil society wants to, first and foremost, solve human rights issues which remaining unsolved are dividing Malaysians further and further apart.
Why do we have to choose special days in our country’s calender, to tell the world, that we are proud to be Malaysian,that we are one big melting pot of unity and harmony, when actually we are so bloody divided and our politicians want the status quo to remain.
Let’s choose and support the leader who thinks, acts and does his best for our country…there is still time.
oA
October 15, 2009
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It is amusing for sabahans to speak of whom to and whom not to trust considering all that happened in their political histories which have nothing to shout about.
A party doesnt just happened without a a strong leader and what is going on is symbolic for a party leadership to assume a position until a capable leader is recognized and for such a simple reason they are making a hill out of a mole.
How can a party survive when you have a Hassan Ali in the mist?
How can a party survive when you have these goons that are invariably positioning themselves for goodies when the goodies are not at the moment within the grasp?
How is it that these goons have the audacity to voice talking about leadership when they cant accept such simple temp. solution?
Sabah and Sarawak politics are the dirtiest where back stabbing is just a norm.
It is appaling that these goons failed to see that what is happening now is Sabah is just leadership means of finding who is trust worthy and who is the back stabber – simple.
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4 Year Old
October 15, 2009
I don’t understand, even a 3 year old will tell you Jeffrey K is a better choice over Azmin.
What on earth is Anwar thinking???!!!
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 15, 2009
Perhaps Datuk Jeffery Kitingan is the worst politician in Sabah. Many people thinks JK is a “super katak” and I know JK will not be pleased to read this comment.
Remember when JK trying to register his party (but rejected) many years ago, He had no choice but to join another party.
Frankly speaking, JK still got overwhelming support among the KDM community. In the last GE, he, JK (PKR) lost by Justin Guka (BN) just by a mere 68 votes (Pls correct me if i’am wrong) in Bingkor Constituency.
RockyMountain
October 15, 2009
It is wrong to single out Dr J as ‘katak’. In fact, almost all political leaders in Malaysia are ‘kataks’. Tunku Abdul Rahman was a co-founder of UMNO but he joined and supported Semangat 46 in the last days of his life. So was Hussien Onn. Mahathir formed a new party called UMNO Baru after the original UMNO faced a political crisis in 1987. Razaleigh ditched UMNO to form Semangat 46. Najib, Abdullah Badawi and others were aligned with Razaleigh in Semangat before quickly persuaded to return to UMNO Baru. Lim Chong Eu was in MCA before he formed Gerakan. Keyvias was an MIC member before forming PPP. Lee Lam Tai was a DAP strongman before he changed allegiance to BN. Leo Moggie and others were SNAP leaders but formed a breakaway PBDS. Taib Mahmud was in a Sarawakian party but formed PBB. Harris Salleh was an USNO member but became a strongman of Berjaya, then a leader of Bersekutu in the 1999 election. Salleh Said was in USNO, then Berjaya, then PBS (he even contested in all the 3 parties and lost). He finally won a seat after he joined UMNO Baru. Pairin was with Harris in Berjaya before he formed PBS. Yong Teck Lee was a PBS man before he formed SAPP. And the list goes on and on and on and on………!!!
Now those of you who keep calling Dr J a frog, please think again. No political leaders in Malaysia are saints including Dr. J. What we want in a leader is his or her CONSISTENCY in his or her struggles and fight for the rights of the people, not just for himself or herself. Dr. J has proven himself in his political struggles for Sabah and Sabahans. He consistently fights for the 20 Points which were the basis of our agreement to form a nation called Malaysia along side with Malaya, Singapore and Sarawak. But the KL leaders had systematically eroded and did away with our rights over the decades without we even realising it.
My friends, let us now wake up from our slumber!!
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 16, 2009
Dear RockyMountain,
Thank you for highlighting that. May be we can make a list of Malaysian politicians who joined another party. I’m pretty sure many Sabahan fell ashamed and hated when their elected Representative just “lompat katak” to another party, but after reading your comment above, I realized that Semenanjung politicians were also the same.
Young_Rakyat
October 20, 2009
Dear Golden Son of Kadazan,
You should read this which was written by RockyMountain.
It is wrong to single out Dr J as ‘katak’. In fact, almost all political leaders in Malaysia are ‘kataks’. Tunku Abdul Rahman was a co-founder of UMNO but he joined and supported Semangat 46 in the last days of his life. So was Hussien Onn. Mahathir formed a new party called UMNO Baru after the original UMNO faced a political crisis in 1987. Razaleigh ditched UMNO to form Semangat 46. Najib, Abdullah Badawi and others were aligned with Razaleigh in Semangat before quickly persuaded to return to UMNO Baru. Lim Chong Eu was in MCA before he formed Gerakan. Keyvias was an MIC member before forming PPP. Lee Lam Tai was a DAP strongman before he changed allegiance to BN. Leo Moggie and others were SNAP leaders but formed a breakaway PBDS. Taib Mahmud was in a Sarawakian party but formed PBB. Harris Salleh was an USNO member but became a strongman of Berjaya, then a leader of Bersekutu in the 1999 election. Salleh Said was in USNO, then Berjaya, then PBS (he even contested in all the 3 parties and lost). He finally won a seat after he joined UMNO Baru. Pairin was with Harris in Berjaya before he formed PBS. Yong Teck Lee was a PBS man before he formed SAPP. And the list goes on and on and on and on………!!!
Now those of you who keep calling Dr J a frog, please think again. No political leaders in Malaysia are saints including Dr. J. What we want in a leader is his or her CONSISTENCY in his or her struggles and fight for the rights of the people, not just for himself or herself. Dr. J has proven himself in his political struggles for Sabah and Sabahans. He consistently fights for the 20 Points which were the basis of our agreement to form a nation called Malaysia along side with Malaya, Singapore and Sarawak. But the KL leaders had systematically eroded and did away with our rights over the decades without we even realising it.
My friends, let us now wake up from our slumber!!
Dear Golden Son of Kadazan,
If you want to struggle for the right of Sabah as an equal partner of Malaya, you better distant yourself from BN. BUT if you are happy with the status quo, please leave people like Dr. Jeffrey lead the organisation to fight for your right!
Oldstock
October 15, 2009
Salam Sdra Haris,
I remember reading some time back, an interview that you gave in which you was asked whether you trusted Anwar Ibrahim. Your short and direct answer was `No’.
I can so understand your response… because I would’ve said the same if I was asked. One reason for my answer is what Anwar did in Sabah in 1994. This post and some of the subsequent comments is a timely reminder.
When you posted Zaid Ibrahim’s remark recently that things are going to change for the better, I still have my reservations. Yes, some people do change… but politicians are those people at the very back of the line.
I do not know too much about Sabahan politics but I do hope a good leader emerge from within their ranks. The influence of Sabah on the overall Malaysian political landscape is very significant indeed.
bitten_by_reality
October 15, 2009
Here’s a fact: majority of Sabahans are actually “opposition” to BN yet they still voted BN. There were so much resentment towards the Federal – so much I tell you but we just don’t have capable local opposition leader. I once asked a friend a staunch PKR supporter – if PR won the state election who do you think the most suitable CM and who would be in the state cabinet – obviously he couldn’t answer, no one can. As long as this can’t be answered Sabahans will always vote BN to win. Period.
My Choice
October 15, 2009
Unfortunately for Dr. Jeff Kitingan, he has past his prime…. Even Justin Guka who used to work for gave Dr. Jeff Kitingan an ass whopping by beating him in the 2004 and 2008 Election at Bingkor STate Constituency. He is popular because his name is ‘Kitingan’ and that Sabah has had only these few personalities since 1985 …. Pairin, Jeffrey, Dompok, Kurup, Bumburing and Same Same ones …. to bad for Sabah. As for KDM Supporting Dr. Jeff that is a falacy …. WHAT PKR Sabah needs are people well below 50 years of Age untainted (at least has never stood for any Elections), COnfident, Honest as Abe and with the discipline of Mahathma Gandhi…. (he/she does not need to be perfect nor a vegan – but Someone who knows what is expected of him / her during the 5 years as an elected representative) ….. Kumaa diozu tuhun do Semenanjung om ih monokodung di Dr. Jeff montok do PKR, do understand that Sabah is strong and we will not perish if Dr. Jeff, Ansari or Christina Liew does not become the Liaison Chairman … these guys are only populor by name and will not rock it for PKR. Go for the youths …. espcially untainted ones …. make it happen lar ….. Never mind that some PKR Supporters will throw some hue and cry on the youngs having no experience … who cares as their non-experience is the experience we can live with!!! Of course such young leader must have the tenacity and discpline to lead the STate and Malaysia. Whow knows someday, a Sabah Native will be the Deputy Prime Minister if not Prime Minister! So help us to reformat and reboot Sabah PKR …. with a clean start ….
Pangkis Pangazou
October 15, 2009
What PKR is doing to Sabah right now is no diffrent from what UMNO is doing. You West Malaysians don’t get do you…. WE WANT AUTONOMY! That is ONE of the reason Sabah and Sarawak AGREED TO FORM MALAYSIA together with Malaya. We didn’t JOIN Malaysia…. we didn’t join a non-existent nation. Sabah and Sarawak is NOT ONE OF THE STATES, we are AN EQUAL PARTNER in this Federation and you West Malaysians are not giving us what is due to us.
To my fellow Sabahans, PR is a great alternative for BN at the National level but as far as i am concern, PR is not the answer for us. If we choose them to be our Government in the next election, then we will still be in the same old BN system of West Malaysian meddling in selecting our leaders (as in the case now where our CM is selected by West Malaysian arrogant leaders. What we need is a Sabah based party to cooperate with PR in the National level. PBS gave that option to us before… but that is not the case now. We have no other choice….. we have only ONE Sabah based party who have the potential to play that role…. and your guess is as good as mine…. we have to give them a try. For me PR is not a good option for Sabah if what we crave for is political autonomy. I am a Kadazan and i have no problem in supporting SAPP. I am fed up with West Malaysian leaders telling us who shall lead us. Isn’t YTL a Sabahan?
Sabahan
October 16, 2009
arianna Says:
October 14, 2009 at 5:05 pm
SAPP? The same party who paved way strongly for Umno? The same party who colluded with Anwar Ibrahim to grab power in Sabah in 1994 and ignored the people’s mandate?
What do you know. SAPP with Yong tried to repeat the 1994 Sabah power grab by pulling out of BN in 2008 to support Anwar’s Sept 16 (failed coup) thinking that the rest of BN’s YBs especially from Sabah would jump ship.
Yong was instrumental in getting PBS out of BN back in the 1980s and conveniently put the blame on Pairin saying the latter as president of PBS should not have listened to him.
This same Yong/SAPP became BN’s most ardent supporters after the 1994 coup. To the extent he became their ‘lapdog’ and forgot about Sabah’s interest.
Now that SAPP/Yong is out of BN, they are going around Sabah selling the ‘Sabah interest’ issue again.
Give me one good reason why I should trust hism and SAPP to vote for them in the PRU13.
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SAPP is a local based party, we don’t have much choice actually..
Remember PBS with the Tambunan Declaration and the Sabah is for Sabahan manifestos back in the 1980′s?
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 16, 2009
Yes, it’s true that We (Sabah) didn’t Join Malaysia, We actually joined “PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU” togather with Sarawak (and Singapore) to formed a new country called “MALAYSIA” on 16 September 1963, so our history book is wrong when it’s stated that Malaysia Independence is 31 August 1957.
31 August 1957 is PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU independence (not Malaysia). 16 September 1963 is the history day where the name of MALAYSIA replace the PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU.
Is that simple… and I don’t know why our leader still want that 31/8/1957 as “MALAYSIA” independence. Our text book is misleading all the new generations as well and no one keen to correct that misleading fact…
From_Keningau_Sabah
October 16, 2009
One more thing… I didn’t want to make wild allegation but this is a fact based on myself experience.
Do you know those who called IMM13 card holders? they were originated from southern philipines and are muslims (There is nothing wrong about muslim and I don’t want to comment about religion – Please do understand me).
Aborigines here called them “pelarian” or “pendatang” becuase they are not Malaysian after all. What I want to higlight here is some powerful semenanjung politicians had turn them to be “Malaysian” along with MYKAD granted citizenship.
The only purpose is to out numbered PBS Supporters so that PBS will collapse (in the PBS day). These every “new citizens” requested to vote for BN-UMNO.
I know many of those “new citizen” and do had communicate with them. Some of them actually shown their MYKAD to me that they are fully Malaysian citizens and I know their MYKAD is genuine!
So it’s a very sad news because of our “TAMAK KUASA” political leaders do that and ignoring what the consequences will be in the future.
You will know after reading most of the books written my MD. Mutalib describing how the “pendatang” become Malaysia citizen (with proofs) and can be reached at http://www.sabahkini.net.
MD Mutalib had written those book years ago and no one can say it wrong because no one brave enough to bring it in the court. Will you dare to sue MD Mutalib in court for writting those book?
No judge brave enough to handle that case. Even Suruhanjaya Diraya also not formed even after we requested it because the current Malaysia government are so afraid the secret will be exposed.
I wonder how do semenanjung feel themselves if all these “new citizen” in Sabah moved to semenanjung…
Sabahan
October 16, 2009
And indirectly diluting the population of our KDMs !!
So that they got the reason to appoint someone from a specific religion to become the CM..
This is the truth..
And to West Malaysians, it only takes 1 month for a Filipinos to get Mykad from the moment they crossed into Sabah, what can we do?
cktan
October 16, 2009
i think the current crop of katak politicians should be eliminated, and this definitely include jeffrey kitingan.
Young_Rakyat
October 20, 2009
Dear cktan,
Please read RockyMountain comment below.
t is wrong to single out Dr J as ‘katak’. In fact, almost all political leaders in Malaysia are ‘kataks’. Tunku Abdul Rahman was a co-founder of UMNO but he joined and supported Semangat 46 in the last days of his life. So was Hussien Onn. Mahathir formed a new party called UMNO Baru after the original UMNO faced a political crisis in 1987. Razaleigh ditched UMNO to form Semangat 46. Najib, Abdullah Badawi and others were aligned with Razaleigh in Semangat before quickly persuaded to return to UMNO Baru. Lim Chong Eu was in MCA before he formed Gerakan. Keyvias was an MIC member before forming PPP. Lee Lam Tai was a DAP strongman before he changed allegiance to BN. Leo Moggie and others were SNAP leaders but formed a breakaway PBDS. Taib Mahmud was in a Sarawakian party but formed PBB. Harris Salleh was an USNO member but became a strongman of Berjaya, then a leader of Bersekutu in the 1999 election. Salleh Said was in USNO, then Berjaya, then PBS (he even contested in all the 3 parties and lost). He finally won a seat after he joined UMNO Baru. Pairin was with Harris in Berjaya before he formed PBS. Yong Teck Lee was a PBS man before he formed SAPP. And the list goes on and on and on and on………!!!
Now those of you who keep calling Dr J a frog, please think again. No political leaders in Malaysia are saints including Dr. J. What we want in a leader is his or her CONSISTENCY in his or her struggles and fight for the rights of the people, not just for himself or herself. Dr. J has proven himself in his political struggles for Sabah and Sabahans. He consistently fights for the 20 Points which were the basis of our agreement to form a nation called Malaysia along side with Malaya, Singapore and Sarawak. But the KL leaders had systematically eroded and did away with our rights over the decades without we even realising it.
My friends, let us now wake up from our slumber!!
Dear cktan,
If you are not happy with the BN administration, it means you want to change. That’s good. Change is a DYNAMIC process. We need Dr. Jeffrey who has been very consistent with his principle, that is to fight for the 20-Points.
You don’t have to like Dr. Jeffrey personally. You just need to support the cause he fights for. Maybe someday you can continue his ( Dr. Jeffrey )struggle for the Sabah’s right as an equal partner to Malaya as aggreed in the Malaysia Agreement 1963.
francis ngu
October 17, 2009
Shall we not coin an updated version of KR, such as
KETUANAN RAKYAT FOR MALAYSIANS, from which follows
KETUANAN RAKYAT SABAH FOR SABAHANS
AND KETUANAN RAKYAT FOR SARAWAKIANS, andthis in the spirit of partnership that is the Federation of 1963.
francis ngu
October 17, 2009
Correction: —Ketuanan Rakyat Sarawak—