On 17th November, gc sent in the following comment to my ‘Masa sudah sampai untuk era Baru…’ post.
‘sir, i want to write a report on last week saturday MPP pkr election which i attended . I have many copies of how the cheating is done by Azmin and shamsul. Email me and I will take scan of all the slips and write u a report on how they pursue / force / suggest / encourage me to vote for the inetrested personnels. Also while i am crossing X the person will watch me cause I ignore to listen to the cawangan way of voting their choices. And also I am not allowed to put inside the ballot box. One man standing there will take from me and he isolated the Parts and put inside the box in front of me. BUT he sees inside to whom I cross X’
I e-mailed gc that same day to say I was awaiting his report and accompanying proof.
The next day, gc e-mailed me his report with copies of documents which he believed supported his contention.
The report, however, was anonymous.
I e-mailed gc the next day as follows.
“Thank you for responding and sorry for this late reply.
I understand your concerns about being identified.
However, I would need to verify that you are indeed a member of PKR of the Gopeng division.
Otherwise, I would not be able to publish your disclosure.
I will not reveal your identity,but I need to verify for myself.
Could you scan your membership card and send it to me?
You have my assurance that I will not disclose your details should I publish your disclosure at my blog.
If you choose not to, I will understand.
Please understand also that in those circumstances, I will not be able to publish your expose”.
gc responded with a photograph of his PKR membership card.
I reproduce gc’s report, with his photographic evidence, unedited.
____________________________________________
13 Nov 2010
cabang gopeng, perak
1. I traveled 545km to Ipoh to vote at my cabang for MPP.
2. Three people went for voting as we are members of PKR.
3. A week earlier at night 3 people in car came to house and invited to come for voting and also gave slips “senarai pencalonan MPP 2010 “ of their choice
and ask to follow the X cross marks. Although they never sound to be forcing but it was merely a suggestion and recommendation.
4. On 13 November 2010, we went to PKR office. We saw a big banner of ONLY Azmin and Putrajaya.
5. Ladies and men came to us after saw us holding blue pkr membership card. They almost had same slips. We told them we already had the slip which matches with their choice.
6. They pursue / suggest / encourage us to vote for their interested personnel. They have same dialogues “ Ikut saja pangkah ini semua “.
7. We showed pkr blue membership card to register . Each got one small piece of paper with a number.
8. Again almost 4 other people approached us and gave the same slips and ask to follow the guideline given.
9. One guy showed us a big poster of how the balloting paper looks like and how to vote. choosing 1, 4 and 20 people and the rules. The poster had white tape censor zaid .
10. We went to second floor. Gave small piece number and took the balloting papers.
11. We sat on sofa waiting for empty table. I saw many voters “copy paste” from the slips and there is 2 ladies guiding them easily.
12. There are 4 long tables. Each table got 2 chairs. Two ladies monitor two tables. These ladies every busybody and sees to whom you cross. They are happy as long as you keep the given suggestion slips side by side and do “copy paste”.
13. Also while I am crossing X the person will watch me cause I ignore to listen to the cawangan way of voting their choices. And also I am not allowed to put inside the ballot box. One man standing there will take from me and he isolated the paper parts and put inside the box in front of me. BUT he sees inside to whom I cross X.
14. Many in 2nd floor curious and showed grumpy face because we never put the slip side by side with ballot paper and refer and cross. Something like copy from slip and paste in ballot paper. We slowly and carefully choose our own preferences.
15. The paper is new and don’t have zaid’s name.
16. One man collects the paper and drops into box. The box is covered and NOT transparent. This man opens the MPP and AMK paper and sees who we vote for.
17. Two of us did NOT cross for azmin or mustaffa but I crossed for Chegubard. We also did not vote for anyone from the slips recommendation including nurul izzah except for one Chinese ADUN . I vote for Chan Ming Kai because he deserves . He is very good adun for simpang pulai. Some sort like hannah yeoh.
18. It was totally disgusting and no privacy.
19. We are cowards. They know our house. They can do anything in case they lose.
20. The only daring thing 3 of us did was did NOT follow the recommendation slip.
21. While we walking back to car, one PKR man came and said his name not in the “wanted /demanded” list. He said pkr played dirty game as cowards scared to lose.
22. Finally Azmin and Shamsul controls the cabang Gopeng.
My main purpose to travel 565km is to vote for Zaid But since news come out he quit. I had double mind to go or not to. But we went to see ourselves on the criminal breaches of trust happened in pkr voting.
I pity mustaffa’s people whom cannot get privileges in the pkr office. One guy came and give name card of mustaffa and yahya sahri. He did not speak anything but give and walked away. But since mustaffa is not my choice . I reject him too after watching news he said he supports anwar. He only complains but never withdraw from election.
Now I regretted voting for chegubard because he too complains but never withdraw from election. It looks like Mustaffa and Chegubard just like to talk to walls but NO reaction when there is action.
3 of us don’t support the individuals in party but as raja petra said we hate BN . So the alternative choice is PR. But that does not mean we love PR.
My personnel observation PSM is good. PSM also has many youngsters famous for JERIT.
Why we choose to be member of pkr ?
Cause PKR was nearest and available via eyes. Although PAS is in the 12th general election voting for my place and we vote for PAS but this PAS we don’t even know where the office. DAP – never came to mind.
Why do I need to be a member in a party?
Cause I thought of supporting the PKR and increase their strength with high membership.
Am I glad with pkr till today ?
1. I am super happy with ADUN Chan Ming Kai although my place is under BN.
2. pkr elections involves members to vote.
3. Some good pkr members around Malaysia serving rakyat.
Do I regret now for becoming member of pkr?
No. nothing to regret cause it is just some money and power corrupted people spoils the party. In fact PAS and DAP also the same. To be surprised BN also has good candidate like YB Devamany of Cameron highlands.
Therefore, I will not quit pkr. We need to conquer putrajaya.
I do not like anwar since he was menteri pendidikan. I also don’t like azizah from year 2000. This pkr is not about his family but the work for rakyat. But now ever since last 2 weeks the hindraf memorandum squashed at anwar’s house made me angry so I also never vote for nurul . But for azmin and samsul , I only get to know his dirtiness this year 2010.
Habib RAK
November 21, 2010
Bro Haris,
There is something amiss about this Gopeng member’s report.
1.This person claimed that he travelled 545KM to Ipoh in his Item 1. Then just after Item 22, he
begins his conclusion by saying he travelled 565KM (now he has added 20KM) just to vote for Zaid! Assuming, its just a typo error, still how did he cover 545KM in Peninsula Malaysia?
2. His writing style suggest that his command of English is not very strong. But his occassional use of strong vocabulary and organisation suggest that someone else has aided him.
3. All the same, I do not condone cheating and manipulation by any party. Still, I am taken aback by you lending your well read blog to publish information that are questionable. The pictures of the nominations papers in your earlier posting and this report by Gopeng member appears ill-intent to me. I would prefer that you hold to a higher degree of scrutiny before publishing them.
4. Good luck to your treatment and Im looking forward to read more about MCLM. Regards to RPK too.
lynn
November 21, 2010
I beg to differ, Habib RAK. I feel Haris’ is right to post this letter, pictures and all so that we get an eye-witness account of what is really happening in some cabangs. If the PKR leadership, essentially the Elections Committee had investigated and responded with justifiable explainations to ‘allegations’ such as these, and not just accuse people like Haris of being pro-Zaid, then Haris would not need to post letters and pictures like these. You’d think he don’t have anything better to do? The fact that he is co-leading the MCLM says he is walking his talk much more than most of us, armchair observers and critics.
Daniel
November 21, 2010
Habib RAK,
I was curious about what you wrote and did a simple search, Johor Bahru Causeway to Ipoh Selatan on PLUS itself covers 516.5km.
So 565km or 545km is nothing difficult.
However, I agree that something like this can be easily invented. PKR membership card? If you want I am sure you can easily find UMNO membership card and MCA membership card, etc. I personally know someone who will “lend” you his MCA membership card for maybe RM100. I am not saying that Azmin didn’t cheat, but an email like this doesn’t prove anything. UMNO/BN could buy over katak in Perak and illegally took over Perak, what is buying/paying a PKR legitimate member’s membership card? No big deal for them.
Daniel
November 21, 2010
By the way, Haris. All the best in London. I support your MCLM initiative. And not to forget, your chronic rhinitis treatment.
Sang Kancil Guru
November 21, 2010
A very sad tale indeed. We need choices beyond PKR and BN so that it is worth our effort and time voting. Otherwise, people will become increasingly cynical of the state of politics in Malaysia.
AgreeToDisagree
November 22, 2010
Being cynical is a waste of energy. My advice to the cynical people is, run for politics yourself or vote for any 3rd Forcer simply because a 3rd Forcer will be less a threat to your well being than most of BN or some factions in PR. Vote 3rd Force or become 3rd Force if your constituency hosts only creeps.
Rahman Hyder
November 22, 2010
i can’t agree to disagree with agreetodisagree.
don’t waste energy. do whatever you can to talk to friends and colleagues about the importance of TAKING PART in the government of the country, in whatever way or form that one is capable of.
Khai
November 21, 2010
Hey Gopeng member,
you want to vote for Zaid..?? go ahead…open your mind and heart…look at Zaid Ibrahim…sore loser…jijik !!
lupa diri betol…! baru masuk Keadilan, mcm2 da dpt yet nak cakap besar….poorahhhh..
Sang Kancil Guru
November 22, 2010
If you’ve got nothing good to contribute and if you are nothing more than an empty vessel, better don’t say anything at all.
Loser calling cheater
November 23, 2010
Aiyayai….yayai
You cheated and now you are calling me loser!!!
K for kelakar
dev
November 22, 2010
Kalau ada sokongan dan penipuan dari atas, ayam tiada bulu pun boleh menang!
MyOpinion
November 22, 2010
Whether PR is similar to BN or not is not important. Whether Zaid is bad or not is also not important. As long as they agree to change the government in GE13, we Rakyat will support them. At this moment, PR is a better choice than BN. The key issue here is to wake up the Rakyat that they have the power to change the government. If PR wins the GE13, the Rakyat will realise that they can make a change. Once the Rakyat sedar and bangun, if PR doesn’t perform, then the Rakyat will kick PR out in GE14.
MyOpinion
November 22, 2010
Many people love Anwar. Many people love Zaid. But I’m sure you all love your kids and grandchild a lot more than Anwar and Zaid. So, do not bother about the fight between Anwar and Zaid.
Wake up Malaysians! More and more foreigners look us down each day. If you want your kids and grandchild to have a better Malaysia, then focus our target, i.e. to bring PR to Putrajaya in GE13. If we miss this chance, like RPK said many times before, the next chance could be another 30~50 years! Don’t forget, Malaysia will become bankrupt in 2019 (Idris Jala).
AgreeToDisagree
November 22, 2010
I’m fully behind Anwar too. Just not his family or the other patronage cliques and nepotists or 750K funeral/sand mining scandal types in Pakatan Rakyat. Just like I am fully behind BN but cannot vote for BN because it will not grant :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
;and that is only a start of a wishlist which includes 13 more items!
flawed
November 22, 2010
Haris, for all his inferred/displayed straight principles, starting from his multiple petitions to the Agong to Bersih & Hindraf misadventures often fail to see beyond the tunnel. He might be suffering from a form of myopia, which comes & go without him realising it
But then again, he could be up to something sinister , who knows
Or just confused , or he is doing it according to plan
AgreeToDisagree
November 24, 2010
As said, if Haris or RPK turn 750K funeral rotten (hanging around *conveniently saintly* Marina ‘Evil’ Mahathir makes me wonder), all the 3rd Forcers could still formulate their own plan of action or run on their own. Politicians are merely citizens.
This ‘follow the leader’ mentality should be done away with. If Haris or RPK plays it straight, it will be easier, if he doesn’t or becomes an enemy, it does not mean the death of 3rd Force – simply because all independent candidates *ARE* 3rd Force.
Navi
November 22, 2010
Not surprised by this exposure as it is exactly what would have happened at practically all divisions. I know it did in mine – Shah Alam. Only the elections for the National leaders was more orderly than the one for the divisional chiefs – which was blatant abuse by the winning candidate.
Ahmed Kamal
November 22, 2010
Just to clarify the earlier part of his email, which seems written in a provocative way:
1. The people that came to his house were campaigning for their choice of candidates. Most likely they are from the cabang because the cabang has the membership roll with phone numbers and addresses. The list of candidates (called chai) is to help their members during voting because there 100+ names in the ballot.
2. The banner of Azmin is there because his supporters put it there. What did this member expect, banners of Mustaffa Kamil, Nurul Izzah etc? Again, its just campaigning. Does he know if other candidate supporters were prevented from putting up banners?
3. The members rushing to give them slips are also just campaigning. I experienced the same at elections that I visited.
4. The boxes are not transparent. I didn’t like that either, but that’s the decision HQ/JPP went with.
5. It sounds like this person has not voted in a GE before. Otherwise he would have encountered campaigners and banners etc. Perhaps he is against campaigning in this election. But choosing 4 VPs and 20 candidates for supreme council is very hard, chances are you won’t recognise the names. Lists from your cabang or friends help.
Where things are wrong are from point (12) onwards. The 2 ladies bothering voters is wrong. Prevention from voting is wrong. I wish this person and 2 friends had taken photos with their mobile phones for proof.
I think its sad they fear reprisal because ‘they know our house’. How true this is I wouldn’t know, depends on whether the cabang has gangsterism attitude. Its not unheard of in Malaysia, in any party.
But when you join a political party and give your contact details it shouldn’t surprise you when party members pay a visit. Its a risk you have to take. I myself have been to members’ houses to campaign in the evening/night and they are usually grateful for the attention. Not one complaint of ‘why you come my house’.
Sharing
November 22, 2010
The BASIS of a Country are People & Land to which the Constitutions/Laws are there to stipulate the Rights & Obligations/Duties of those parties involved in “enjoying” or “ruling” the Country. Election is a vehicle to exercise one of the many Rights of the People, to elect their Representative in the Administration – the Government.
PK was created during GE12 in 0308 2008 on basis of People’s Declaration, the Rigths and Obligations to monitor PK remains as long as the Founder(s) and the Three Parties have not “divorced”.
I hope such monitoring can be extended to Subang Jaya Town Park – which is part of the “Common Property” of People of Subang Jaya on Trust to the State Government to pass to MPPJ/MPSJ for management so as to qualify the later for charging Assessment. This Common Properties have been subjected to continuous, non-stop manipulation, misappropriation by the STATE GOVERNMENT, MPPJ/MPSJ who are TRUSTEES and the DEVELOPER with FEDEERAL Gvoernment at its back.
The Chronoligical Events provided by YB Hannah, Adun of Subang Jaya http://hannahyeoh.blogspot.com/2010/11/taman-subang-ria.html
shows that the situation is even worse, with reveal of corruption besides manipulations and misappropriation as in the Press Statement of Selangor CM http://hannahyeoh.blogspot.com/2010/03/mb-releases-classified-information-on.html
The Press Statement also give rise to
1) WHY SHOULD THE INFORMATION ON A COMMON & PUBLIC PROPERTY OF SUBANG JAYA BE UNDER OSA?
2) and a STOLEN PROPERTY with Corruption to be RESPECTED?
3) Why should VALUATION be done, if they are not for Land Conversion and Development?
4) Why should MPPJ to host a 500-600 meeting which should only be for the case of Objection Hearing?
5) why RASJ or even RAUSJ, so called Residents Association be representing the Proprietors when both have no legal standi to represent ALL Residents other then their Members, if verified and authorised with Proxy. RAUSJ has NO RIGHTS on subject matter of a Common Property for Subang Jaya.
6)Why MPSJ has to lead to Gazette the Place as “Recreational Park” when it is a Town Park with documents in the hand of MPSJ and some documents has been emailed or presented to Hannah in 2008? The Zoning of the Land has never been changed since day 1 for Subang Jaya when it was in the hand of MPPJ up to Plan 2010.
7) Why the State should consider acquiring the Land, meaning the State has to buy back a Reserved Land, “stolen” and “corrupted” in the previous Administration involved Tax Payers’ money in at least Selangor, for a possible amount (rough estimation) of ONE BILLION!!
8) How can a Town Park with Water Retention Pond be re-allocated? and, on a ONE to ONE basis?
NO MATTER WHAT, THE STATE, MPSJ, RASJ DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO CHANGE, EXCEPT TO CANCEL OR REVOKE THE “PRIVATE” TITLE AND PRESSING SIME TO FULLFIL THEIR OBLIATION ON SUBANG JAYA DEVELOPMENT ON THE 10% “Open Space” & 5% Water Surface, (meaning 40ha to include land and passing among the Ponds) ALLOCATIONS.
IF WE CANNOT EVEN GET ANSWERS FROM THE ELECTED PK GOVERNMENT AND THE ELECTED ADUN, DO WE SEE THE POINTS OF ASKING FOR A STRICT ELECTION ACCORDING TO RULES & REGULATIONS?
KELANA JAYA PARK is also a Water Retention Pond for KELANA JAYA (in the neighbourhood of SJ). It has also been misappropriation by the State Government with alienation to PKNS. Now in the hand of the People!! http://kelanajayapark.com
shakuntala
November 22, 2010
Agree, this whole thing may be a scam, for all we know. We are beseiged with scams these days, so won’t be surprised.
We need to go beyond looking at personalities.Why are we so embroiled in this kind of cult seeking. It is a waste of good time We need to get wiser and look at what whoever is standing as candidates are offering to us, the People, only then would GE13 become meaningful in terms of who wins for what.
Zaid Ibrahim could be someone to watch… but he has to be honest about what his new party’s agenda…it has to be for ALL MALAYSIANS.
No more race, no more religion….we’ve progressed from our origins as far as race goes. As far as religion goes, please let’s leave it to God….who is Himself indivisible.
We are all one race, we are all one God’s children.
Sang Kancil Guru
November 22, 2010
Zaid has always been about all Malaysians. But what the hell does Azmin Ali stand for? And Anwar is as usual ‘cakap tak serupa bikin’!
Jong
November 22, 2010
…err, tables and chairs, ceramah halls and banners!
Jong
November 22, 2010
now, it’s headhunting, with his new toilet roll crown!
flawless
November 22, 2010
Whatever, his apparent steadfast stubborn pursuit of “fairplay” is admirable, for good or for bad
Final results dun matter to him
He is a fine connoisseur of doing things right
…NOT doing the right thing.
His strategic focus is doubtful and probably is his achilles heel
Sang Kancil Guru
November 22, 2010
Cheating is not the right thing, and neither is winning by hook and crook. For all your words, you seem not to be able to grasp even this basic moral concept.
Mr. Mickey
November 22, 2010
See how the conversation has changed?
From how we gonna depose the corrupted BN regime to I love/hate Anwar vs I love/hate Zaid?
From where I see it, if this is to continue BN will still be firmly planted in the PutraJaya and this country will still go forward on the one-way-street to hell.
Sang Kancil Guru
November 22, 2010
Looks like PKR is as corrupted as BN. Or at least will be if they come to power.
Sharing
November 23, 2010
Isn’t PKR already in Selangor together with DAP/PAS?
See what they are doing on Subang Jaya Town Park
http://hannahyeoh.blogspot.com/search/label/Taman%20Subang%20Ria
They “respect” “stolen property” transacted via “corruption” and ignore the Reserved Status (cannot be alienated, sell or change) of a Town Park in the Water Retention Pond area?
Same for the Reserved Land in USJ
http://hannahyeoh.blogspot.com/search/label/Taman%20Subang%20Ria#uds-search-results
If the Ethics of those to be put in the Administration DOES NOT TAKE LAWS, RULES & REGULATIONS, THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE to KNOW and exercise, we are putting in POLITICIANS and NOT Public Servants to work!!
WHY INFORMATION ON PUBLIC PROPERTIES/LAND SHOULD BE UNDER OSA and WHEN??
IF THE BASIS STEPS TO SELECT CANNOT BE DONE ACCORDING TO LAWS, RULES & REGULATIONS, WHAT CAN BE BASED ON TO GIVE LIGHTS TO THE FUTURE OF MALAYSIA??
SpeakUp
November 23, 2010
Too many allegations … way too many. Cannot be any smoke without fire. Worst thing is NONE of the allegations are addressed. None. That makes it really really bad.
songoku
November 23, 2010
Dei…. 1st commentator,
1. 565km shud be to & fro la macha..!
2. Indian writing style la bro…
Thks Haris for revealing this. I now am having my own reserves w.r.t PR. Opposition is not always right.
Elva
November 25, 2010
Stuff like these only serve to make PKR less popular, so naturally I suspect its the work of some double agent from BN.
Few things to point out..
1) All elections are subject to abuse. Do you seriously expect PKR’s first-of-its kind election to go smoothly without accusations of abuse flying around?
2) There will always be people campaigning at the election booths. How does that differ from that of our GE? Are you guys being a bit too idealistic to expect something different from PKR this time around?
3) There are winners and there are losers. Losers will always have something to complain about. Are we going to entertain all accusations and start the election process again and again every time someone hurls an email like that of the above?
PKR, from my point of view, is a relatively new outfit. It has struggle to cope with the demands of the rakyat and will continue to struggle for many more years to come as the party is riddled with opportunists of the worse kind. Please give it some time and leeway to sort out the mess. We need to think of the BIGGER picture and that is to kick BN out! We will have ample time to hound the Pakatan parties once they are voted in to power, don’t you agree?