A regular commentator sent in the following :
“Haris, may I suggest you just ban this idiot ‘Warrior 231′? He’s clearly a paid UMNO assassin whose full-time job is to post corrosive racist-supremacist comments to sully your blog. Freedom of speech on your blog is one thing, a hired agent provocateur is quite another.
Or are you deliberately letting him through so others can see how vile this creature is?
In either case, I trust in your wise decision”.
Warrior complains from time to time that I do not allow some of his comments through.
That’s true.
Sometimes, though, his long-windedness lands him in the spam box.
I’ll be guided by a majority vote.
Have your say, people.
Posted in: Digressions
The People's Parliament 
temenggong
August 31, 2009
If he caps his verbiage and expletives and pipes down on the threats, and lays his points concisely, then let him in. You judge him post by post.
But Haris, I think you are more worried about my posts! 🙂
Tony Bird
August 31, 2009
He has every right to post comments – its just a pity the comments are not his but those of his masters.I say let him be free to speak – there must be balanced opinions in all discussions.
lung
August 31, 2009
I am with temenggong.
Paul Warren
August 31, 2009
I don’t know what is balanced about Warrior’s postings. It looks more like a cut and paste job. Especially in Rocky’s blog where he dominates the comments section with Postings filed under Parts 1, 2, 3… and he is entertained and sometimes has the honour of Rocky’s response too.
After the first one or two reads I just skip his comments now. You can well bet if you read him once, there will be nothing new from him again.
Ling
August 31, 2009
I would delete any comments of his that use foul language or racial insults. If he can argue his points in a logical fashion and concentrate on the issue at hand it’s ok to let such comments pass.
sash
August 31, 2009
Don’t ban him. He is an idiot – but he serves a useful purpose. He makes us aware that there are opinions contrary to our own out there. Ultimately, his comments are meaningless rantings and ravings.
However the same cannot be said about ahiruddin (rocky). He is more toxic. He spins stories and convolutes the truth. Don’t people realise that his “power” comes from the number of people who visit his site and comment. To those who find him distasteful, don’t visit his site. Once the number of hits to his blog plateaus, he will lose his influence and relevance to his political masters. Remember, his power comes from his readers, and if we unite, we can pull the rug off from under him.
Siebel
September 1, 2009
Hi Sash,
I agree with you on this Rocky Bru spin master.
I find his articles full of lies and half-truths…always pro-his masters.
I no longer visit his blog…..makes me yawn.
anti-toxication
September 1, 2009
Me too. Not even when Haris provides the link.
Rahman Hyder
August 31, 2009
“sticks and stones may break my bones
but words can never hurt me”
“i may not agree with what you say
but i will defend with my life your right to say it”
let the man say what he wants … people can decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. when you start censoring comments, that’s when the trouble begins.
sampalee
August 31, 2009
The hurts caused by words are far greater than stick and stone and some hardly heal as it fester inthe mind.Wonder how a tiny pen be mightier than the fearsome sword.
Sticks and stone can never change the world,the kithab fill with word can transform earth to heaven.
Do not censored only those that is obcene,but one that generate hatred should also be axed.
By including him into this beautiful blog,many readers are diverted from the subject at hand and the place turn into a chat room with reader spsrring with this sick joker[he adcheived his aim.
This is the anchor blog for ABM and for that you must guard it with great wisdom.Please be reminded about the hasan guy and the inaction of pr,before you are blinded by the so call reader know best.Most of us are followers,but you as a leader must lead,even if certain decision made is unpopular.
Otherwise it defeat the purpose of screening of our comments.
Eyes Wide Open
August 31, 2009
an idiot must be allowed the full extent of his expression so that others may realise the full extent of his idiocy
ella-mae
August 31, 2009
i agree. this is the people’s parliament. every one has the right to be here 🙂
sash
August 31, 2009
Well said!
Ayu Azalea
August 31, 2009
Very, very well said, EWO! Let him be. We are wise enough to judge for ourselves.
malaysianjoe
August 31, 2009
I believe this warrior231 is the same warrior that commented in my posts some time back. When he has exhausted all his nonsense he will call you names… :). Still I agree with some ppl that even an Idiot needs to have his say… freedom of speech ma.. I think generally people can distinguish between an Idiot spewing garbage and a person who genuinely argues his/her point constructively.
Give him his say and let ppl decide. If you don’t he will just come under another pseudonym and create a ruckus.
Warrior 231
August 31, 2009
Sorry never known your blog and never been there. That’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so save me Allah.In the spirit of ramadhan, stop the slander.
oettinger
September 2, 2009
nowo this man is topsy turvy when answering this. are you sure you are not the guy with flamboyant english flying around space warrior? ultra chinkies? this and that?
Malaysian Heart
August 31, 2009
My opinion is do not ban him. However, to respect the rights of other readers, and (I believe) in keeping with the rules of your blog, any profanity and foul language should be edited out (even though in the case of 321, this might only leave behind the ifs, ands and buts ;-).
I basically agree with Tony Bird, Sash and Rahman Hyder: if we value Freedom of Thought and Expression we have to respect it across the board.
Sincerely,
Malaysian Heart
donplaypuks
August 31, 2009
I don’t believe in banning him or anyone. But they must be civilized in their comments.
But Warriors 231’s vile, filthy, obscene, racist and religious bigotry rants are something to behold, and as close to the KKK type of posturing and bluffing as we are likely to get locally. He claims to be a defender of Islam and the Malays, but somehow I have my suspicions as to who he really is.
So, if he’s that desperate to comment on your blog, ask him to tone down his language, as Rocky’s Bru did with limited success for the month of Ramadan. I’ve been having a running battle with him at Rocky’s Bru, so I should know!
His ‘trannie’ bashing and ‘buggering’ about hints at a very disturbed and disturbing psyche!
dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race
Warrior 231
August 31, 2009
Well I invite readers here to visit Rocky’s to determine for themselves, without tinted glasses, whether obscenities abound in my engagement with DPP during Holy Ramadhan. The post concerned refers to the cowhead protest.I dare anyone here to say what the contents are and who is engaging in vile ad hominem attacks ro start with which i responded with utmost restraint even in my farewell post to dpp. Anyway, DPP is not a paragon of virtue himself as evidence which i will put up at Bru’s will show. Hijacking Rocky…well no…DPP asked for it!
trannie/buggering – “obscenities”, lord oh lord
sactyr
August 31, 2009
No Haris, we shouldn’t ban him or anyone else for that matter.
Let them write whatever they want, if it makes sense people will reply to them. If they don’t make sense or full of derogatory remarks, then its just best to ignore them.
When the ignoring starts, the writings will stop.
hawkeye
August 31, 2009
If you ban him, he will just come back with another name. Just watch him and watch out for booby traps. Let him come so that you guys can than bash him. haha
Shamsul yunos
August 31, 2009
sudahlah, orang pas memaki hamun mencarut kat semua blog anti Anwar… tak pulak kau buat kecoh
bab engkau buat semua OK ye
human rights lawyer konon
human rights lawyer taik kucing
serang character orang hang dengan Latifah Koya satu kapal bawang lah serang karektor orang
Nanda
August 31, 2009
I think you know what’s best sir.
Its easy for the readers to put forth points of freedom of expression and whatever not. But it is not the same thing for the owner/administrator to have to read every single rubbish that contain plenty of vileness in order to remove the profanities. For every comment with some substance, I’m pretty certain there’ll be one without any substance and contain only profanities and attacks and what the reader may not realise is the ammount of time and effort required to go through the rubbish and personal attacks.
So, I think it’s your call sir.
abetterpenang
August 31, 2009
Dear Brother Haris,
There is Free Speech, and then there is hate speech
Plus, the “free” thing in the Free Speech does denote one very crucial thing — one has to be responsible for whatever one has stated
If Warrior 231 gonna be responsible for everything he says, let him post whatever he wants here and elsewhere
But if Warrior 231 ain’t gonna responsible for his “speech”, then he has has lost his right to post here, although he can try to post by using other nicks
Voter
August 31, 2009
No need to ban him lah. Just remind him that he should limit his postings to convey his Umno ideas in 10 sentences to get his comments published.
As to the others who have problems with his postings, just don’t read it and just ignore it. For myself, I just read a few lines and then just passed it. Many of us don’t read Utusan ( Umno). If given a copy we just skimmed it through and brush it off as pure nosense. That’s how you should treat Warrior 231 postings.
melurian
August 31, 2009
nah, i’ve been put into “filter” list at LKS and jeffooi blog even i don’t use expletive and foul language in the comments, just plain common sense of my opinion sided the gov. it seems most anti-gov supporters do not practice what they preach on freedom of speech
Warrior 231
August 31, 2009
This is getting bizarre. I hope this comment is allowed as I have locus standi being the subject of the motion.
Firstly, the fact there is engagement implies that there is comprehension of the message.Terms like “verbiage”, “longwindedness” are just smokescreens to obscure the fact that the comments I post have upset hitherto unquestioned world views accepted as gospel, crumbled prevailing thought cookies and upset the applecart metaphorically and literally. Surely it is not beyond the ken of the erudite bourgeoise here to misunderstand or not comprehend my message.Or have I overestimated your intellectual capacities.
The fact that you lot view my opinions as threatening is the end result of viewing the world through monocausal lens. A worldview that divides the Malaysian socio-political landscapes into bright and dark realms; us/them paradigms.By ignoring polycausality and discarding your polycular perspectives, you have effectively cast any views inimical to yours threatening, nebolous, inscrutable entities not compatible with your cosy, puny universe ; not malleable to simple deconstruction; not amenable to be debunked by your relativistic moral precepts.In short, you neither can fathom nor debunk with conviction and the easy solution to the conundrum is to shelltox the pest into oblivion.How different are you then from the people you malign?
Your collective predilections with bright/dark side imagery is a form of thought atavism, a puerile attempt to categorise me so as to enable my public denigration; to facilitate:
“whittling you down to the little drop of water and the little grain of sand that you actually are,together with us,that we so often kick about with our shodden and sometimes bare feet.”
In short, to ensure that i will be subservient to your views.Hence, i am cast in a variety of guises: a stooge; a paid hack; a messenger; a rabble rouser; a thought zombie; an UMNOite etc, pathetic appellations that beggars belief when nothing can be further from the truth.Further, why should i bend to your will? I am a free man in the truest sense of the word; not tethered to ideology; not bound to convention; not partisan to political chicanery. I am a thought bohemian,the enfant terrible to hypocrites, the che guevera of my malay brethren. I am a malay/muslim nationalist fundamentalist with warts and all and if my opinions sound regressive, thats just a relativistic yardstick. I put forth my views based on conviction alloyed by facts.If I am tarred a racist, a fascist, an extremist, it doesnt matter, those are badges of honour, a tell tale sign that i am discomfiting to some.And if I respond to attacks against my race and religion with barrages of my own, i am merely exercising my right of communal self-defense. Debunk me if you must, but do so with logic and facts not personal attack and unsubstantiated calumny.
(to be continued)
sactyr
August 31, 2009
See this is what I mean, I lost him after the first 5 lines. And I ignored the rest of his comment.
So let him write what he wants, perhaps people with more patience can read till the end of his Queen’s comment and hopefully by then they are not irritated anymore.
Joko Suprianto
September 1, 2009
Warrior 231,
First of all, you should cut your long-winded comments and get straight to the point, remove expletives and name-calling, use logic and arguments that considers both sides of the divide critically, INCLUDING yours.
Satya
September 1, 2009
Dude, you ARE verbose.
“… upset hitherto unquestioned worldviews accepted as gospel…”
Accepted as gospel implies the same as hitherto unquestioned. Why write both?
“… upset hitherto unquestioned worldviews…, crumbled prevailing thought cookies, and upset the applecart metaphorically and literally.”
You just said the same thing thrice. And how does one literally crumble a thought cookie? Why would you literally upset an applecart? What did them apples ever do to you?
“… misunderstand or not comprehend …”
I see a pattern here. And all these examples are just from your 2nd paragraph.
Terms like verbiage and longwindedness are no smokescreen. They accurately describe your writing style.
PS to Haris:
And though these be the least of his faults, I vote not to ban him for reasons both ethical (what is free speech if not putting up with speech that annoys us?) and practical (he’ll just return under a different pseudonym). Let him bray. I think the majority of your readers are sensible enough.
oettinger
September 2, 2009
dude, is your hair as long as rocky’s? no wonder you are so long windered. i really feel sorry for you. what motion? this is just a blog. what standing order do you need to move this ‘parliament’ a motion? ehh, you seem to use flowery words here and there, your rantings alone in the beginning makes me believe you are one eusoffe abdoolcader in the making. for your information, you stand no where close that the latter. sorry for obscuring your stand here but its just not right to be vile, vulgar, rude and full of sadistic remarks.
now, this place is visited by many different types of people from different walks of life. they are here to share whatever they have with haris. what you get in rocky’s is what you do not get here. and that’s the difference. and i say so because of the approach, which is the main thing. there is not much of slander here. you with me haris? he has sanitized many peoples’ lips. so, i am saying that i am not buying anything from you at all, not even after kingdom comes.
speaking of intellect and pouncing and getting personal with some in here, what do you get in return?
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
Blah, blah, blah …. and more powerpacked blah.
End of story – QED.
Warrior 231
September 2, 2009
Must be the new gatekeeping intern on call.
Warrior 231
August 31, 2009
Part 2
Someone on your side, mentioned in passing during a blogfest, that a commenter need not respond to every view inimical to his/hers and in the same vein, i suggest you need not respond to my views as i am not hankering for attention. Leave my views unmolested no matter how discomfiting they may be and let the readers be the judge. Or is there a hidden fear that i may subliminally subvert the intended message or raise doubts and cause thought dyspareunia in your readers. After all in the market of ideas, only the viable survive, dont they?
Finally any analysis or comment on a contemporary socio-political landscape should never be divorced from considering the historical antecedents of that landscape. For the past, present and future are metaphorically melded in the fabric of time and space and any action in the past triggers a chain reaction, a ripple through space and time. If Malaysia was as simple as eating a cookie pie, things would be helluva halycon but it isnt simply because its human ecology was upset by events in the past and one can never erase that reality. The key then is how to live with it. I have my views regarding that; you lot have yours. To narrow that expanse of opinions is to create a tunnel and we know where tunnels lead to. It would do you lot
……. a world, nay, a universe of good,if you could discard your monocular perspectives of “us and them” and embrace the fact no matter how unpalatable, that, like the diversity of cultures and beliefs you claim to valorise and celebrate, there is also a diversity of views not in sync with your own.
ruminate on that or am I turning tables here?
P/S: Why not have a simple poll, canvass for support and act on the outcome.
“The true saboteurs of healthy discourse are not people with “obscurantist” views but bankrupt amoralists who slander race and religion for the fun of it”
UnkerLai
September 1, 2009
What a load a verbal rubbish.
You really have not much to say and hide behind big words and long sentences.
Still, feel free to continue, for it reminds me not to write as such.
Warrior 231
September 1, 2009
Sorry unkerLai for the accumulated garbage. Sad if you could not decipher the message with your limited intellect, unker. And surely due to that impediment I dont think anyone expects you to write as such so be easy on yourself and quit reminding your amnesiac mind. thank you
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
and even more BLAH ….
kwmark71
August 31, 2009
Abang Harris,
Transparency…biaq pi kat si 231 tu…
True colour for the rakyats to justify what to do on the next GE.
Banning not the solution but would suggest that any vulgarities be edited so that the younger generation of Bangsa Malaysia will not grown up to lead the nation like the BN thugs..
sharath
August 31, 2009
In the name of freedom of speach if one writes whatever shit he wants being an anonymous writer as warrier231…..c`mn harris dump these kind of ass holes into gutter. these types of idiots are hypocrites of highest standard. they are just another form of evil…pls just throw them to dustbin Mr.Harris…
Jenn
August 31, 2009
Put him in the Trash Can!!
The Watcher
August 31, 2009
I think he should be allowed to say his piece. That way, we shall know the bottom-of-the-barrel calibre of morons associated with UMNO and, most importantly, the pro-Mahathir faction of the blogosphere.
To ban him will be doing him and his idiotic cohorts a favor to their image.
shar101
August 31, 2009
Haris,
You moderate all incoming comments therefore the final decision is rightly yours.
However, do you wish to be distracted by a neanderthal like W231 whose only purpose in cyberspace is to disrupt and create deceptions.
W231’s profanity-filled diatribes are extremely distressing. And he still appears rude without it.
Besides, W231 can always rant away at Revert’s blog but then again, who on earth wanna go there. So, W231 makes a nuisance of himself elsewhere.
In your last posting “To my Hindu brothers and sisters, please forgive them”, you allowed W231 to run riot with him taking potshots at any body who tried to engage him. Seriously, bro. Was W231’s presence helpful at all considering the subject of that particular posting?
Freedom of speech is premised on equal respect. But hate speech defiles the very purpose of FOS.
Otherwise, everyone will be reaching for the biggest stick to make a point.
MsJessyJames
August 31, 2009
‘If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all’. ~Noam Chomsky~
Indiran
August 31, 2009
Harris,
Don’t ban him, keep him around for some laughs..
Chloe Lee
August 31, 2009
Dear Haris,
Let him through.. We are matured enough to read and digest what he is doing.
For those who cannot accept criticism and get emotional over any discussion. GO home and sleep!
sampalee
August 31, 2009
This sick warrior,like any virus is for you to accept him as harmless in the name of freedom.That is then,the entire gang will enter via his route and flood this site.Can we be naive that he acts alone?His job is to established the beachead for the umno cyber trooper to cripple this site.
A stitch in time save nine.As with our sleeping MB,he think he can keep peace by not putting the first stitch on the hassan guy.Now the rakyat have to undergo the agony of the full nine stiches.
Excuses on hindsight can not be a lesson as some of the damages can be fatal and beyond repair.
Leaders unlike commentors have heavier responsibilities,especially for one nuturing the infant ABM. May Tuhan give you the wisdom.Always remember that,if man can indeed solve their problems,then there is no need for Tuhan to send down so many prophets.
matt
August 31, 2009
Sometimes it is good that there is decorum otherwise somebody should start a blog which allows filth n vile to be published,oops sorry bro i forgot that there is such a blog like that parpukari lol.
mali
August 31, 2009
HaHaHa. Dont ban him and let him siok sendiri. We are wise by now to distinguish who are the true warrior and who are the sucker.
The side effect of siok sendiri is suck and LONELY.
So the best thing to do is to LEAVE HIM ALONE.
Anyway this warrior 231 is just a brand name of ubat cirit-birit cap tikus.. Relax bru..
Another Rakyat
August 31, 2009
Haris,
If you were to ban those who have opposing views then you are no different from bloggers like Khoo Kay Peng.
You will have ALL comments of the same views.
You will have a “Syok Sendiri” blog!
malaysianfirst
August 31, 2009
Invite him to a pot luck. We would really like to meet this guy and really hear his opinions in person. I think it will be a better dialogue if we talk with him in person. But ban him…no as long as net etiquette is observed.
Parameswara
August 31, 2009
When you hear something barking for wrong reasons, like not happy with the sun shining, or a cat just passing by never mean any harm – just ignore the barking creature.
Can take a twig and throw at it, and it will run helter skelter. Quietended for the day.
Next day it barks again.
Just do the same.
In time to come it will learn.
But do not deny it the right to bark.
That is its nature!
temenggong
August 31, 2009
Okay, he is unable to engage. Trash him.
abetterpenang
August 31, 2009
It’s not banning, for crying out loud
It’s a stern call for being responsible for one’s own speech / action
I can say what I like, but if what I say causes a riot and someone gets hurt, hey, I must be responsible for that — even though it wasn’t me that physically hurting someone
There are a lot of calls for “free speech“, while it was commendable, one fact remains is —- are you gonna be responsible for what you say?
And I am posting the above question to warrior 231 as well
pengtuck
August 31, 2009
Use the ban hammer as you see fit!
RastamanJB
August 31, 2009
Bro Haris,
Let It Be.Rabble rousers normally fade away.If he wants to ramble….let him have his day.
But one thing for sure, nobody takes him seriously.
Another thing bro, his thought process and writings and spewings shows that he appears disturbed.
“Warrior 2,3 something…..go take your medication, will ya?
BR
RastamanJB
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
I recommend Haloperidol ….
artchan
August 31, 2009
Leave him be..and let the reader knows him as he is..after awhile when you see something signed 231…you will just skip reading his comments.
Antu
August 31, 2009
What? Scared of Warrior 231 when he write with substance? Unlike you people who just rattle and ramble with no substance, weak argument not to mention much foul mouth too?
You people have been too long in your dens, MT, Malaykini etc where the remarks are much more foul and sickos than Warrior 231.
Hidup Warrior 231! Many more will follow suit to defend this nation from pseudo-malaysians!
teo siew chin
August 31, 2009
One has to admit the extent of W231’s vocabulary is astounding, even his cuss-words are mind-boggling! It takes grit and a whole lotta patience to sieve for the substance of his comments which can be mighty deep! As for banning him – 2 things:
(1) maybe he will miss us.
(2) maybe we will miss him.
ROTFLMFAO!!!
dunnoalso
August 31, 2009
Harris
if u ban him….at least u do it thru concensus.
in comparison…not much i can say about Anwar blog site….
a few days ago….my short comment…but negative…was
not published. Another posting a few hrs later…..POSITIVE …was published. Go figure…
Back to.. banning him…i think not…let him have his say..let others
support or trash him.
U dont have to kill a bad idea…it will die by itself.
vice versa.
Franck Muller
August 31, 2009
He’s applying what the BN goons have been using all these while.. he himself is racist, yet he says others are. Too bad he cant fool everyone.
Warrior 231. If you dare, admit u are racist if u really are.
Otherwise, i’d like to listen to what you’ve got to say bout the current hot “Kepala Lembu Incident.”
Hang Jebat
August 31, 2009
I kinda like what warrior 123 is trying to say as I do not understand his point or his english…sorry lah I sekolah kampung..my inggeris no good. So bagi gue it does not matter what this intellectual claims himself to be…akin a cat closing its eyes and saying that the whole world is in darkness.
rocky
September 1, 2009
keep the idiot. let UMNO pay him, we have the passion to be here and money can’t beat passion or facts. also good to see what kind of crap UMNO can come up with.
Shakuntala
September 1, 2009
Oh, let him stay Haris….he is probably using words to hide his real thoughts.
Let him fee, he is doing us all a service….seems a lonely person,somehow and a slave to his passion for words.
He can be whatever he likes,say or write whatever he likes.. makes no difference.
He does not scare, anyway.
Let him just know that words without thoughts, don’t reach far.They remain with the person.
Let him be, Haris.
Sheila Pakiam
September 1, 2009
Not worth reading
Not worth banning
Not worth commenting on Warrior!
Only interested in a better quality of life and better governance.
Basic human decency and respect for one another above all Self-respect is what dictates the quality of life we lead. No question of race or religion. Can we move towards that kind of a civil society?
sheila
jgnjami
September 1, 2009
I dont understand what the f**k warrior 231 says…just ban him.
siew eng
September 1, 2009
zzzzz…
kenwang
September 1, 2009
Do we need to take a vote on this?It is not necessary at all cos some are angry as warrior did not write what they actually want to read or hear.Maybe for a change warrior should be more loving,sentimental and soft.This is what those opposed to the government wants.If you don’t toe the line,out you go.So much for those who wants to fight for reformasi.Carry on warrior just do what you think is right.
Siebel
September 1, 2009
Haris,
I propose that you vet his comments. If his comments are filled with filth, delete them. Save us the time from reading filth.
His comments are long-winded. It shows he is paid to do the job.
we should keep our comments short and concise.
Bliss88
September 1, 2009
Morons will be Morons. That makes us feel better for we are not. Thank GOD!
Simple
September 1, 2009
He’s obviously making a nuisance of himself… intentionally… and gains satisfaction from the attention you all give to him. Best to ignore him.. don’t waste your precious time.
vengai
September 1, 2009
Yeh,
Let him in bro harris.
So we can wag him with sweet sarcatic words about his leaders whosee balls hie scratching. Later he he convvey our wishes to his bosses. And let the morons know how the Rakyar have respect for them.
raverz
September 1, 2009
everyone’s entitled to their opinion, i guess…..good or bad….as they say, opinions are like assholes….everyone has one….
Moo..
September 1, 2009
Just let him say what he or his master wants.
We are all mature enough to judge by ourselves.
At least we can read what ‘other’ side of the story is.
If we ban them, is there any difference between us and them……
Shakuntala
September 1, 2009
I had meant to say, Haris, (second para…Let him be. He is NOT doing us a service…by any means… if he wants to be unfriendly, deliberately personal,disagreeable and generally spiteful.)
Seems a lonely person somehow,unreasonably and hopelessly slavish to his passion for words….
He can’t be so foolish enough to think that his extreme conceit..can make him a wise man!
Admiral Tojo
September 1, 2009
Let SLAVE 231 post. The more he posts the more common sense sounds good.
Shalom
Warrior 231
September 1, 2009
Let Tojo RIP in Yasukuni for the more he speaks the more he sounds otherworldly.
rasa takut
September 1, 2009
To ban Warrior 231 is to curtail his freedom of expression; that is something we fought very hard against.
Yes, let him say his piece as long as he maintain civility and not use foul language.
veryupset
September 1, 2009
Warrior 231’s English is very good, you know…!!!
Harris.., you sure this person from UMNO..?????
Instead of banning, tell readers to go to his site(if got) if they wanna read more like Rocky’s…!!
Warrior 231 shouldn’t dump your rubbish at Harris’s site.
Just create a website or blog of your own yah…!!???
Foul language not the right way.
Also….. leave “Allah” & “God” out of it..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arusa
September 1, 2009
What is a COMMENT?
Surely it is not a long essay.
If a reader has something worthwhile (and relevant and sensible) to say and, has to resort to long pieces which come in multiple parts, perhaps he should consider writing a POST – which he can submit to blog owner who can then CONSIDER publishing it as a (guest blogger) POST.
That is, IF THAT LONG MULTIPLE PARTER COMMENT (aka essay which masquerades as comment) has enough plausible arguments and points that merit it getting attention as a post by itself.
Otherwise, keep it brief or succinct and respectable; sans abusive and hate-inciting language.
Phua Kai Lit
September 1, 2009
Dear Encik Haris
This person is a hate-filled racist.
You can read his/her unbridled comments
on Rocky Bru.
As I see it, progressive Malaysians should listen to the voice of those we disagreely with politically as long as they are civil (e.g. conservative UMNO Malay nationalists). But racists/Fascists out to create trouble are something else. Ban them! (Even the liberal democracies of Western Europe do this).
Littlebird
September 1, 2009
Let not ban anyone otherwise how are we suppose to know between good and evil, intellectual and idiot, fair comment and slander, UMNO’s and Pakatan’s views. Even in a death defying performance in a circus we still need a clown.
donplaypuks
September 1, 2009
Bro
Here’s Warrior 231’s ‘reasoned, toned down’ response to Rocky’s call for moderation on 22/08/09 in the month of Ramadan. He can give but cannot take! I rest my case!
dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race
Part 1
Rocky, I defer to ur request out of respect for holy Ramadhan and you as an unbiased profesional journo-blogger and a decent individual. I raise a tipple to that. Period. Whether I come back after Ramadhan with an even more expansive repertoire is up for grabs (I may?I may not?) as I am as much as my own man as you are and its your blog and you have every right to set the parameters. But rest assured, that if i do leave, I wont be like the PR trannie lot here rushing back to post once their jock/cunt/arse itch works up after swearing off your intoxicating brew.
But Rocky (just for the road), let me have a go at this pariah indian mongrel cowdung calling itself Donplaypukis and yodelling to the world that:
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race
when it does not even qualify to be a part of that race, sub-human arsefucked, cocksucking cretin!
Who do you think you are? some wanked up shriveled cock pigdogbuggered, pigarsewhore pretending to dictate terms here on the etiquettes of civilised discourse when your masters like that mongrel scum from MT and that gutter moron from PP can spout and allow vile commentary on their blogs. Get them to clean their sty first before coming over here, on your gatekeeping offdays, to spout your hypocritical verbiage, slimeball poop of a slutbag.
U get this straight, fuckhead, dont try to be a pussyfooting namby pamby trannie scum who wants me banned. Say it so upfront and dont slobber us all with your pondanish blob of spittle, unwashed dickhead:
“Civil language, like a civil society, is priceless. Let’s clean up the filth, obscenity and foul language in blogospehere!!”
Dei fuckshit, u were there in haris’ blog and not a squeak from you about the vile comments and cheapshots bouncing off those damned walls against all and sundry. Yet you couldnt find it in your testicles to come up with a reprimand, cuntfly.
You think you are a helluva great brahmachari pundek when reality sniffs you out as nothing but a hypocritical closet swearing son of a bitch. I was minding my own lager when you took a potshot at me probably reveling in RB’s request. It grates your arse that I have exposed your chinglot & chakilian coterie as nothing more than hollow men and women poseurs out to diss the Malays and everything they hold dear.
Warrior 231
3:55 AM
Anonymous said…
Part 2
Now let me tell u this, twatscum arseworm, I am here for my race and religion NOT for U, PR, UMNO or any other goons you worship. i am free of that baggage unlike you. If I take slingshots more at PR scum, its because u lot promised CHANGE. Cos u lot climbed the high moral ground and started throwing grenades at the hapless rest (especially the malays).
U lot say that you fuckers are on God’s side blah3. No one else claimed all that hocuspocus.And to top it off u bastards talk about change on the rubble of my race and religion. Now u get this straight, i tipped on my stetson, holstered my Derrenger and rode in here on my steed to throw you lot back into the gutter where you rightly belong for you are worse than old Lucifer himself with your asinine antics,corruption,cheapshot slurs, sexual debauchery and race jibes.
Few Malays were responding in here, a premier blog drawing over 25k hits daily. And when I opened up, u ran helterskelter like the trannie scum you are, begging me to stop, throwing laughable “daggers” in my direction and finally pleading with the blogmaster to ban me,when all your pathetic futile attempts at responding drew laughter from the onlookers.Now, what else is there but climb on the barstool and shout like a banshee whore for civil discourse.
Civil discourse my foot!. You lot cant even string together a rickety counterargument let alone anything more pithy. Come on, go get your mentors,AI, LKS,LGE Haris,Hadi, Nikki, Anil, RPK, Gobind, Teresa et al to cross swords with me here, no holds barred if you and they dare! Go on, go get them pariah dog! I doubt they will come for since 2008, they have shown that they cant even run a state without a hassle much less come up with a comprehensive economic plan, a proper H1N1 control plan, a development to alleviate hardcore poverty etc. Kelantan is what they will leave us with if given a taste of power and that aint a compliment.
This nation is mired in a slump ever since Tun M left and it will remain so as long as freakshows, arsewhores, cumaddicts, twatfreaks like u and your coterie keep sniping from the sidelines while the ruling coterie spends its time fending off you garbage to the detriment of the polity’s well-being.In fact, given all those skirmishes, to have respectable growth rates is some achievement and that should be enough ammunition for the silent majority that it is better to stick with the devil they know rather than dice with the Satan you are.
But rest assured that there is something brewing beneath the burnt out wreck of the old social Contract, that once it conflagarates out in the open, you lot are going to regret the days you lorded shit over the local polity.”
“
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
ROTFLOL!!!
Warrior 231
September 2, 2009
So you spliced and took the one that befits your agenda. That comment there is in response to your taunts to Rocky to ban me when I was minding my own business.Remember: there is caveat in the beginning where I request the blogmaster’s approval for my barrage.
Never mind, i will hold my tongue here but I have enough ammunition to unleash a fiery salvo which will crucify you in YOUR own words, Dpp. Why not invite the folks here to RB and read up on the cowhead post thread. It will unmask you for who you are….I rest my case.
abetterpenang
September 1, 2009
If we learn from that guy’s style of cussing, and use those cusses towards that guy’s master, that ought to be interesting
janice
September 1, 2009
Let him in la. A lot of Malays are like him. This group of people needs to be represented too.
My2cen
September 1, 2009
Honestly, how many people read through his comments? I guess his English teacher never taught him that Less is More…
I think We shouldn’t waste anymore time on him/his comments. Edit it if you think the language is unsuitable, afterall we should have some respect for each other at the People’s Parliament. Repetitive clauses should be removed too. Post it ad verbatum if he’s actually making a point. Anil Netto edits all small things and any hint of anger!!
Saiful
September 1, 2009
Harris,
There is this difference between the wise and the fool. The wise always has something to say while the fool will always have to say something. I think W 231 belongs to the latter category. Apart from being long-winded he is, at times, incoherent too. He, like many others around us, writes only for the sake of being read without regard to truth, accuracy or propriety.
As to whether to ban or not to ban, the choice is yours.
kati
September 1, 2009
Let the ecstacy pill 231 warrior in .
You can just skip by seeing this name just the way you
do it to the Cocky bru…
Father
September 1, 2009
For a man who claims to have UK-trained doctors as children, that guy is pathetic. In fact, you should not allow anyone who writes filth and vulgarity in every sentence.
You should never allow someone who insults our mothers and sisters with such cesspool vocabulory.
He is a sick person who needs real medical help. He is a pathological foul-mouth. We can do wihtout him.
Kiwi Charles
September 1, 2009
Warrior 231 uses high sounding words only shows that he is literate but he is for sure
an uneducated bastard. He may have impressed the illiterates in UMNO and the Ketuanan
Melayu but not the other readers like me. Bill Gates or Warren Buffet don’t go round showing off their wealths, get it ?
He has failed to communicate his inner thoughts and believe to the readers, which is his sole purpose and failed very badly because his articles are most boring.
His name calling and threats making are further evidences of his lack of education from his folks or may be he never had any to begin with. Two or even three wrongs don’t make one right Warrior 231 ?
In short has the NEP thrown pearls amongst the swine ?
The
September 1, 2009
No need to worry about worrier.
She has 3 objectives in all her postings:
2) Throw in as many multiple-syllabi words as possible
3) Use bombastic words, even if they are very contrived
1) Bait with racists and vulgar language.
Only one way to deal with such people – ignore them and don’t engage them.
farida
September 1, 2009
Warrior has a narcissistic personality. Let him be. We know what happened to Narcissus in the end.
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
Maybe a Caliban-esque personality too.
jeevindra
September 1, 2009
No ban. Freedom of expression, and what not…
Ling
September 1, 2009
Let him blog. Most of the time he rants and and raves and one just can’t follow his line of argument, if there is any. I think there’s something wrong with him up there and one day you will stop hearing from him. When that day comes you will know the men in white coats have come to take him away.
Free Malaysia
September 1, 2009
Haris,
Dont be guided by the majority vote. Allow Warrior 231 to say what he/she wants. It is up to the public to decide whats right/wrong.
Josh
September 1, 2009
Yes, just ask him to create his own blog.
anti-toxication
September 1, 2009
Hi Haris
Why not have this option…if a comment, any comment obtains good rating from your visitors, then obviously the vote is good. If you get consistent trash, then let your visitor decide by bad voting and thereafter the system just hide it away unless any visitor wants to examine the comment further. This will spare your goodwill user from wasting time on trash while you allow FOS here. Hopefully this is a win-win for everyone, even the trolls.
Regards
Matahari
September 1, 2009
Long live Warrior 231!
Go for it Warrior!
These people in this so called “Peoples’ Parliament” are not only liberals but they are fascists to the core. It is compounded by the blog owner himself, the illustrious Harris Abraham. It is us against them or if you’re not with us, you’re against us….You’re damn bloody right, Warrior!! These wimpy people plus Mr. Abraham have nothing in their agenda, everything is blamed on UMNO …..They have been saying this mantra since time immemorial, kinda boring isn’t it?
Yup, Harris, why don’t you stop being a munafik yourself…you ain’t no Ibrahim, you’re an Abraham for goodness sake …stop kidding yourself, hon!
It is fasting month now, what is it for you? Boy, a glass of red wine from St Emilion would be good eh, for the breaking of fast? What about a piece of foie gras? Delicious, aye! No, maybe a suckling pig is better ….For the terawih, use the Bible luv, it is good ….lots of info inside …First or Second Testament? Up to you, hon… you know best…whichever chapter that has neo-liberalism and fascism inside ..I am cool ….
Hey, Harris..Selamat Hari Raya to You and Merry Advanced Christmas…Amen…Hallelujah!! oh when the saints go marching in oh when the saints go marching in….oh i want to be in the number…oh when the saints go marching in….
ps….no insults to any religion, just love pigs that is all…
Eric
September 1, 2009
“liberals but they are fascists to the core”
Interesting 😉
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
Haloperidol for you too!!
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
And a lobotomy for you.
Hahahaha
September 1, 2009
W213 comments lack substance and his knowledge on many subject especially related to China and Chinese sorely deficient. His so-called worldview is to copy and paste from internet. His only strong weapon is a shallow tactic to make use of name calling, foul language, racist remark and shifting his goal posts to confuse one who challenge his view. Someone here mentions his good English but I find this is the worst approach of many modern writers. They thought by inserting a few words extracts from their 1950 edition thesaurus and add in some verbosity sentence would make their argument valid but the fact is most of their writting are baseless and mainly bullshitting. I would say this are the typical manner from any inferiority complex infected species. Btw W213, are you still in the business to predict China economy collapse date? I am so impress. Hahahaha.
Crankshaft
September 1, 2009
Awwwww, let’s keep him. We need a freak show every now and then.
Sambal muncha
September 1, 2009
As it is said, there is no rainbow without rain. Let him be.
Eric
September 1, 2009
I believe Warrior 231 should be entitled to have his say. However, as the blog owner, Haris should feel free to edit/ censor the excessive bits. I believe this is the democratic way to go about it.
Besides, the abusive noise Warrior 231 makes, alongside with her/ his colleagues’, always serves as a reminder of what the People’s Parliament stands for. If she / he did not exist, we should invent her. her!
Who knows, she/ he may even perhaps master her/ his paranoia someday and come out to expose her/ his ideas in an open debate.
BrightEyes
September 1, 2009
I agree with the majority of commentors… w231/Syamil should be allowed to say his peace (more like his piss). Aside providing entertainment in the form of bombastic but nonsensical prose, plastic pendekaring, and bad poetry, he… ahem… gives “A Very Good Image”… hahahaha to the entire Internets of UMNO-BN and the ethno-conservatives.
BTW Josh… this guy runs his own website…
http://syamil-revert.blogspot.com
I remember someone pointed this on rockybru’s blog. Apparently he accidentally commented using his Google ID instead of clicking the ‘Anonymous’ option.
San Peng
September 1, 2009
What? There are a truck full of you kung fu fighters here and you are pow-wowing to-ban-or-not-to-ban just one solitary whom you called a paid assassin?
Come on man. Do justice to your acumen and specialty. If you ban him, this sparring ring will be a bore, at least we have less to admire you for. This parliament will become Stalin’s kangaroo court.
I say let him in. Linc him/her, skin him/her alive, kill him/her nice and slow but for goodness sake don’t be cowards by slamming the door on him/her. We would like to see your mighty pen (if any) cut him/her to pieces.
Try if you can. The minute you ban him/her, you lose. We hate to see a fascist that is a looser. If that happens many are forced to raise their fists and roar, “All hail O mighty Warrior 231”
All hail O mighty Warrior 231, for all I know this warrior could be you yourself. Both have the same trait of stubbornness and tenacity. Both are very dexterous with their pens. Both have methods in the madness of their wits. Wow! What a split character, more classical than that Hyde and Jackal dude.
If this is true, we wander what you are up to.
If this is not published, that hypothesis will be most intriguing.
Yusuf
September 1, 2009
Let warrior 231 continue with his comments.
The malays outside Malaysia support him.
Don’t be a coward Haris…the human rights lawyer.
It’s not as if there are 10 warriors 231.
0NE warrior 231 and the whole of Pakatan freaks
shitting in their pants?? come on he’s educating
the malays to come back to UMNO. If the Pakatan freaks
think he’s a threat than by all means ban him if
not let him in. Lu takut apa Haris? Takut apa yang
W231 cakap tu banyak yang tersirat kan? pedaskan beb??
Shakuntala
September 1, 2009
Mr. Matahari…you must be aware that the names Ibrahim and Abrahim are one and the same.
Just as are.. Yusof and Joseph, Isaac and Ishak, Johan and John,Musa and Moses, Daud and David, Isa and Jesus, and so on.
These names may be exchanged…
Just a reminder, not really picking on you.
What’s in a name, anyway…..
justme
September 2, 2009
haris, is it possible to configure the comment box to accommodate say 300 or 500 words only? That probably will save readers some time.
Eric
September 2, 2009
Saya sokong.
It would save us a lot of time. Especially from people like the topic of this discussion who should definitely open their own blog.
A concerned citizen
September 2, 2009
Haris,
People like Warrior 231 and Matahari will never understand our cause in fighting for a Bangsa Malaysia because their pea brains are incapable of digesting such a noble and sincere gesture of bringing people together. Nor do they understand the words ‘injustice’, ‘corruption’ or ‘racism’. Anyway leave them be…their day of judgement will come soon enough.
SM
September 2, 2009
I have a feeling that this self-appointed warrior of UMNO is KJ the 4th floor boy. Maybe he is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder as he is not in the team of najib.
Gunnfan
September 2, 2009
Ban the Whorrior??!
No way!!
We must be kind to the mentally handicapped.
Btw kiddies here’s a phrase you all should learn:
“Don’t feed the trolls”.
😉
Warrior 231
September 2, 2009
Part1
This tract is purely for discussion (if any) purposes and should be in NO way be construed as a provocative piece containing seditious tendencies. The author avers that he in no way intents to use it for any other purpose OTHER than discussion and the exchange of views.
Since I am the prime target of this post, I am sure in accordance with natural justice, you will accord me the right to defend myself:
1. A substantial majority of the commentators here accuse me of using foul language, expletives etc. Pray,can you proffer evidence of a four-letter word I have used in my comments thus far THIS blog.As for being vile, how far is my vileness removed from the likes of Admiral Tojo, Shar101 etc. Pray, can anyone tell me as to what constitute vileness? Are ye all mollycoddled soft ‘uns sensitive to vitriol and sarcasm?
2.I never expected you lot to understand the language for reasons I best keep private. But the accusations of longwindedness, verbosity etc are just canards to mask some personal deficiencies. The relevant parties should know what those deficiencies are, acknowledge and rectify them rather than peddle lame excuses.
3.When certain personalities started the local so-po blogging fraternity, they envisaged the civilised exchange of informed discourse/ideas/views . Commentating is not merely releasing pent-up angst in blogosphere, it must be backed by facts, for in the quest for truth, facts matter. The cornerstone of a civil is knowledge and how that knowledge is applied to further a view or opinion. If people are lazy to read, to surf for facts or to source information, the blame should not fall on those who take the effort to. Pray, how are we to analyse an issue, critique a viewpoint or demolish an argument if we are ignorant of the polycausalities underlying the issue. By extension, how are polities supposed to ensure good governance, transparency etc in the public sphere if they have no inkling of the issues involved. Isn’t a knowledgeable electorate the sign of a mature democracy? Isn’t a well-informed and critical electorate, the foundation for ideological politics that you lot purport to usher in?
To accuse another of a cut paste job, using bombast etc is the lazy man’s way of avoiding a discussion. As I have repeatedly stressed, debunk me if you must but do so with facts. It was the surrender of one’s intellectual integrity that allowed the Global Financial Crisis to ignite unnoticed, smoulder unbeknownst and burst into a full-blown conflagration. That is what happened when Americans reposed their complete trust in Greenspann, Phil Gramm et,al as commented in the New York Times. We all know better after the fact, dont we?
4. Hate speech is another construct designed to muffle free expression of ideas emanating from the right or far right. Advocates of free speech often use this tool as a form of repression of alternative opinion. However, in the West which the secular-liberalist wing valorize, so-called hate speech exponents like Jean Marie LePenn (France), Enoch Powell (UK), Geert Wilders (Holland) are allowed leeway and are debunked by discourse not suppressed. In fact, far right parties advocating socalled ‘hate speech” have fared well in elections like Le Penn’s NF in France and the Lega Nord in Italy.
(To be continued……..)
Warrior 231
September 2, 2009
This tract is purely for discussion (if any) purposes and should be in NO way be construed as a provocative piece containing seditious tendencies. The author avers that he in no way intents to use it for any other purpose OTHER than discussion and the exchange of views.
5. It would be sad if the malice shown is motivated by hatred for me as an individual. It would be even sadder if what I say is held against me on the grounds of race and religion. It would be downright unfortunate if I am accused of being a stooge, a hack whatever. The views I espouse emanates from my interpretation of ground realities and the socio-economic-politico history of this nation. I am not beholden to rigid dogma neither am I a chameleon. I am amenable to filter, iterate my stance further as more information becomes available. However it is my conviction that the best way forward for a multiracial, fractious and combustive polity like ours is premised on the Social Contract of 1957. A multiracial polity umbrellaed by a benevolent Ketuanan Melayu with Islam as its fundamental core.. I may have hit a raw nerve but the historical reality shows that this is the best way forward. You lot are not new on the scene, , the 40s,50s and especially the 60s was replete with Left activism, the Malaysian Malaysia ideal etc. but did that bring us Shangrila? In fact the 60s were our lost decade, constitutional turmoil, political tumult, economic malaise, secession, racial discord, you name it, we went through it and to crown it all, rather cryptically we chose the last year of an eventful decade to go on a blood binge. I am not apportioning blame, I am just reporting a fact .Chug through 1970-2004, were we haunted by such problems until weak leadership surfaced and our ugly side reared its head again post 2004?
How far is my view that removed from the BN vision? As far as light and day. Najib’s vision of 1Malaysia is closer to your reality than mine is to yours and I wish him all the best as I do to you lot. But this is Malaysia and the Malay ground will never concede to a loss of hegemony for after all this is our land, The accident of history has placed you in our backyard but it is in the Malay Muslim to extend an umbrella to his guests. Were we not a nation who gave it up all to be a community as Wang Gung Wu so succinctly noted?
You could have been wiped out by our army long ago like military backed pogroms elsewhere but the fact it didn’t come to that shows we do not believe in that way; the way to collective perdition. Simple demographics will render you an inconsequential minority in the not too distant future and we can bide our time, but we are not like that simply because it is repugnant to our core cultural values and our Islamic precepts. Instead I offer you a Fair Deal. A deal that will ensure the survival of your future generations. A platform through which you can gradually assimilate to be eventually accepted as true Malaysians. A natural socio-political evolution from the past based on the Constitution. A framework that will protect your rights and dignity. A paradigm that will ensure continued harmony and prosperity. A pathway to a future when you will be equal as us, sons of the soil. I offer you 1Pribumi
“You can either bestride silently into the calm night or stalk away raging into the tumultuous dark”……………….
P/S:
Satya: I think you got it all wrong. The dictionaries/thesaurus will prove you wrong.. I will explain later
Chloe: Beautiful names beget beautiful thoughts
Matahari: Enjoyed that, nice succulent saucy thingy….
Shamsul Yunos; my sentiments exactly
Hahahaha: Truth always hurts but then again there must be a reason: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/business/36499-chinas-growth–economic-or-accounting-miracle-
Shar101: Time to let go and move on if it still rankles…u know what ;).:
shar101
September 2, 2009
Read recently that you’re also known as ‘Nordin’. Sooo .. there’s also Syamil aka Revert aka .. maaan .. how many names do you really have?
And hey W231, you even forgot to sign off in a recent rejoinder. Forgot which name to use ah? Or which blog ID you’re commenting with?
Btw if you’re so confident about Haris’s propensity to uphold free speech, why do you keep challenging him to publish your comments?
Losing your grip W231?
132roirraw
September 2, 2009
To those that are lazy to read the 2 long comments of Warrior231, here is a summary:
===========================
Don’t delete this comment as I am the subject of your discussion.
My comments are not longwinded. You are using it as an excuse because it challenges your opinion.
Your world views are very simplistic. You cannot debunk my opinions and want to ban me? How is that different than the very ppl that you oppose?
(blablabla)
You called me many names. I am a free man. If you call me a racist/fascist, I’m proud to be one. I’m proud to defend my race and religion. This is just self-defense.
You can debunk me but don’t use personal attack.
Leave my views alone, let your readers decide.
The world is not a simple one. I have my views and you have yours.
P/S: Why not have a simple poll, canvass for support and act on the outcome.
(blablabla)
===========================
tarantino
September 2, 2009
Very good summary, this. Personally, I usually just pass over his verbose comments.
Life is short, and if a person can’t articulate his views clearly and succinctly, then it’s probably not going to be read.
navinda
September 2, 2009
Since he has such a low opinion of the commentators in PP, why does he persist in using terminology that we the poor mortals might not ‘comprehend’?
His remarks on the other hand reveals a Hitler in the making.
Hahahaha
September 2, 2009
W231.
1.I believe most commentator here refer to a wider spectrum that not limited to this blog, don’t shift the goal post. Yon may continue to defend your religion (your usual excuse) by engaging Muslim like Tojo, not the rest Kafir who have very limited knowledge on Islam.
2.Read Azly Rahman and one MT commentator name LChuah. I would say their English is on par with yours. I notice the latter did take into consideration of the English level of Malaysian and write in a way the readers could read and comprehend. You are more like the former. You put yourself as the core regardless of the environment you are in. This is your deficiency. Not the readers.
3.Debunk you or debunk an article you paste from Malaysia Insider? Who is lazy here?
4.I agree some deserved spanking on the butt riding their high horse but your hate speech seem a bit overdone, especially the one touch on race. Didn’t your bro Rocky ask you to tone down a bit? But of course this is our very personnel opinion, you can always have your convincing/confusing reason/excuse to persist your way.
5.Now we back to basic of our difference. My grandfather is no doubt a guess but I am not, please plant this in your think skull. How far the assimilation/integration you wish in your Pribumi concept? Thailand is a Buddhist country while Indonesia is becoming more liberal, where is your good model that we could refer? You suggest technocrat style of governance and the only one we have here in this region is Singapore. How could one “tidak apa” culture (not a derogatory comment, I love this attitude but too bad the world is now conquer by blood sucker) reconcile with one that is dictatorship in nature? I don’t have a solution but I am sure yours don’t work. Perhaps diversity is another option for culture and education. In term of economy, government shall nationalise instead of privatise.
SM
September 2, 2009
W 231 aka the boy who fell from 4th floor,
As I understand a contract refer to a document signed by various parties involved, so please show me the Social Contract of 1957 that you were referring to. That ‘mysterious’ document has never been witnessed by any living soul.
Eric
September 2, 2009
Good question. Can I have a copy too?
teo siew chin
September 2, 2009
it’s all in the head.
not necessarily the one between the ears.
abetterpenang
September 2, 2009
That document is a lie
But then, it will become a “truth” after Queen Elizabeth dies
Why?
Because the Queen is the only human being that is still ALIVE that has anything to do with that so-called “document”
All the others are all mati
After the Queen dies, no one will know anything anymore, and by then, umno can let the world see the “document” — since no one can say it’s a lie by then
mickey
September 2, 2009
Ahaa… why not ban the internet!
or support censorship just like Rais Yatim.
So much for freespeech and media freedom!
Maybe you should campaign for banning MAlaysia Today. So much vulgar language by its fan!
I got banned already, and I have never used a single derogatory words.
And never referred anwar as any other names.
Maybe pro pakatan should look at themselves first before telling others.
Buat kat orang tak apa. kena batang hidung sendiri baru tau.
Now what did you call Tun Dr Mahathir? There’s plenty of examples Maha this and that.
And now names for Najib….
You’re a hypocrite aren’t you?
You started the game! remember….
cruzeiro
September 2, 2009
Haris,
No don’t ban these guys – I suggest that you have a link to “Believe it or Not” comments for the likes of W231 and Matahari ….
Anyone interested in a freakshow can go there!! ;-D
shar101
September 2, 2009
Wow! Doc, you’ve set a record of sorts. Seven in a row. Put it all together and yer still shorter on the shortest comment from W231.
Amazing ain’t it.
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
Sad to bear witness to you and “doc”‘s rapidly declination into the pits of imbecility. 😛
Joko Suprianto
September 2, 2009
I think for EVERY comment Warrior 231 leaves, someone should provide a SPECIAL SUMMARY TO DECIPHER WARRIOR 231’S COMMENTS.
This will be really, really fun.
Imagine Warrior 231 leaving his verbose writing, and then someone immediately entering in the ‘reply’ to his comment a SUMMARY OF WARRIOR 231’s COMMENTS taking out the key points!
What say all of you?
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
That would be most helpful in view of the presence of morons like you
jeevindra
September 2, 2009
I must say that I enjoy the manner in which Warrior123 articulates himself.
So what if his views are opposed to that of the majority here. Freedom of expression, however verbose, forms the foundation of democracy, and to even contemplate the banning of a scribbler here is wrong.
Moderate by all means, remove the obscenities if you have to, summarise if necessary; but do not ban.
me
September 2, 2009
ban him.
illuminati
September 2, 2009
warrior 231 is a sounding board of his political masters. It helps the other side to follow their line of thinking. So let him in but moderate his comments especially those expletives and obscenities.
nosuch
September 2, 2009
yes
yay
September 3, 2009
paul warren,
warrior and rocky one of the same?
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
Part 1
I aver that this tract is SOLELY for the purposes of discussion and in no way should be construed to be fomenting instigation. Nor is it designed to be seditious or fomenting seditious tendencies
Allow me to respond to hahahaha
1.It is precisely “the lack of knowledge” that poses a danger. If you do not have the knowledge don’t comment, don’t resort to insults; don’t behave condescendingly.A little knowledge can wreak colossal damage as amply demostrated by the antics here.
2.This akin to ask my beloved Liverpool FC to lower their standards just to accommodate the likes of Hong Chin United. Enuff said.
3.The standard reply to evade the issue. In Rocky’s Bru , everything I say is backed by facts. I don’t make assertions for a lark and leave them suspended in limbo like some undies to blow in the wind. If you are into civilised discourse, you will better understand what I am imputing. You talked about the Chinese economy, I gave the link for you to ruminate. It’s a subtle way of saying, here is proof that everything is not what it seems but you are too dense and stubborn to follow the drift. Anyway, I dare you to invite the readers here to be the judge of our exchanges and mine with Skilgannon 1066 in RB as your views seem to dovetail his.
4. Look, I have been civil and restrained here, observant of the unwritten rules yet 125 comments on (- mine) what do we get but a series of ad hominems clothed in various guises but imputing the same. Jeez, I have run the gauntlet of everything from bastard, idiot, moron, racist, fascist, neanderthal and what have you. Everything including the kitchen sink has been hurled in my direction, including dirt dug up from other blogs. I will not stoop low to such machinations nor succumb to the inner need for gratification and applause as some exhibitionists are doing above. It doesn’t faze me an iota and I don’t flinch from adversity. In fact I grow stronger; more dogged; more belligerent but that’s beside the point. The point I need to stress is that these are the self same people who call for civilised discourse and when that is delivered on the platter they flinch in revulsion, feign ignorance and continue spouting bile. And these are selfsame folk who trash race and religion in other blogs and use cuss words at liberty blithely unaware that their shenanigans are being observed and collated by others. If you want the shade of civil society to extend over this hedge into vast verdant expanse beyond, you need to be consistent in your behaviour. What makes you lot think that you lot are morally superior when even you lot condone the antics of your peers. If RB is overflowing with sewage, what about MT and lately PP?, as certain posts imply and certain comments blatantly demonstrate.
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
Part 2
5. The assimilation process is an imperative for a united Malaysia. Despite much hype about multiculturalism in the US, the so-called melting pot myth, the crux of American society is Anglo Saxon. You don’t have to scratch deep, just look at institutions like the judiciary, the education system, the church to observe how Anglo Saxon values are valorised and institutionalised.. Appearances can be deceptive as for every Obama who ascends to the pinnacle, 5 blacks, mulattos etc descend into the abyss. Issues of race still abound, only recently a Harvard professor of black origin was a victim of racial profiling. And every election since 2000 (maybe even earlier) creates electoral maps that are distinctively white – black in permutation, liberal-conservative in orientation. Hence my assimilation model is based on social realism, I recommend a “Single School Single Language System”. I propound for the dismantling of vernacularism in every sphere of public life. I expound the deletion of non-pribumi languages from the formal social landscape. In short, I espouse the valorisation of Bahasa Melayu in every facet of society as the platform for a new Malaysia under the 1Pribumi concept.
Yes I believe in the rule of technocracy simply because political partisanship breeds disunity, sharpens differences and rends asunder the fabric of social harmony and cohesiveness. If one analyses the west, one is struck by the subtle shift away from crass ideological dogmatism to bipartisanship. The US is one such example, In the UK, Blair moved from the left to the center, similar movements are discernible in Australia, Canada etc. A new dawn is breaking over global politics, parties are ditching ideologies and dogmatism to embrace a more bipartisan, participatory apporach.. Even in Malaysia, Najib’s 1Malaysia initiative seeks to tap into PR’s vision of things to come.PAS, on the other hand, has to a large extent jettisoned its Islamic ideal whilst keeping the façade with its rhetoric as it traversed the political continuum to a more secular, “christian-democrat” structure.
In the wake of collapse of old style party /ideological politics of yore, the question that should be asked is there a need for political parties at all? Isnt it time we jettison this blight from our social landscape knowing that it has run it course as an actor of change and transformation. Politicians today are devoid of ideas but full of bile, empty of inititaive but overflowing with rhetoric, bankrupt of principles but rich in hypocrisy. Remove them from the landscape and the land will be neutered of the monkey antics, inane chatter, street thuggery, slanderfests and rabble rousing that first reared its head post 1998, resurrected itself post 2003 and accelerated post 2008
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
Wouldn’t it be better if political parties are dispensed with and Malaysia be administered by a technocracy of experts not beholden to the conflicting demands of stakeholders be it their immediate constituency, party warlords, low level apparatchiks like the folks here ;). You may ask how can a state be administered without party politics.
The answer is simple, leverage on the bureaucratic network to reach the masses in order to implement policy, carry out programmes, facilitate surveillance, conduct reviews (from the Ministry Sec-General right down to the DO down to the Ketua kampung, empowerment, responsibility, accountability etc should be the raision d’etre). In short, a broad based mass approach to ensure economic development, income distribution, poverty eradication. Implement and operationalise the structure and in one fell swoop, we will reduce bureaucratic redtape, eliminate wastage, eradicate corruption. No longer are KPIs formulated and evaluated in distant Putrajaya alone but at every level of the implementation chain with the rakyat providing an important input. Efficient performance and results being the ultimate measures.
So how do we ELECT such a government. We don’t, We SELECT through a pleibiscite from a slate of pre-vetted candidates from the grassroot level right to the top of the apex. We want people who embrace altruism not pecuniary motivations, people who serve communities not exploit them, people who transform societies not hobble them. We want displays of dedication not bravado, exhibitions of commitment not platitudes, shows of positivism not nihilism. Rest assured all this is attainable within the 1Pribumi paradigm without any drastic transformation of our fundamental institutions: the Constitution, the Judiciary, the Legislature, the Executive; the constitutional monarchs etc.
I call for the deligislation of party democracy as we know it now. I stand for the legislation of a proactivist, participatory, allembracing governance structure. I reject prescriptivism and embrace activism, I abhor centralisation and valorise empowerment. My vision is for economic growth, income equality, ‘egalitarian’ wealth distribution, zero poverty .My hope is the reignition of volunteerism, the reinvigoration of sacrifice, the rejuvenation of charity, the resurrection of hope itself. My dream is a progressive Malaysia, a proactive Malaysia, a moral Malaysia .Dare to embrace the 1Pribumi ideal?
P/S; I will not respond to the venomous baiting against my person suffice to say that you lot should be ashamed of lynching me knowing that I cannot fully deploy my arsenal in these parts to respond. Further, it’s the heights of irony that when I have fully observed the etiquettes of discourse here, you lot resort to cheap demagoguery to flail me. I will not appeal you to desist as its is within your rights to free expression and moreover I realise that I am surrounded by a cybermob immune to any form of civilised imprecations even in the holy month of Ramadhan. Your action of no surprise to me for isnt the mob mentality a intrinsic part of your lives whether real or virtual. Another point I need to stress is that RB affords the complete freedom to say things but as one commnetator here highlighted, HI is bound to sanitise any such language, so to equate what i do elsewhere without assessing the situational context and tar me with it is a reflection of imbecility . Sadly I don’t seee HI attempting to sanitise the vileness swirling around in this bog and truly it is a bog, not a blog. Revel in it folks whilst you can as the day of reckoning is fast beckoning.
2. I will only reply to Satya regarding the grammar issue as succintly as possible, time permitting.
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
correction
Part3 :
“equitable income distribution” not income distribution.
farida
September 3, 2009
Warrior 231,
You surprise me with your latest. (Sept 3, 5.19 am)
While I definitely do not concur with your views, I see the substance of what you write, I applaud your civility in the paragraphs you have written and would defend your right to say what you say.
But in your last paragraph, you go vitriolic again, ignoring the fact that you yourself are guilty in previous comments of the very things you say about others. Let’s play fair.
Strange, but why have I begun to like you?
Sir, you hold a talent in your hand and do you not know it?
Don’t go back to your lesser self. It is not worth it. What you have just said shows there can be honour in engagement amongst those of diverse thoughts.
I wish you a good day.
Warrior 231
September 3, 2009
Haris
I hope it is understood that 5.10am; 5.13am are related to the 5.19am you just approved. maybe you overlooked but they (5.10 & 513am) are still in abeyance
Thank you.
Warrior,
They are still in abeyance because they are so long and, particularly your comments, I will not approve until I’ve gone thru them.
So it’s either you keep your comments short, or wait until I’ve had the time to vet.
derrida
September 3, 2009
I was bored at work just now so I decided to summarise worrier’s last discourse, in response to Joko Suprianto’s request: (its ok Haris if you wan to not allow this comment…no prob…):
Part 1
Poor me…everyone here out to get me…blah, blah, blah
Part 2
Multiculturalism doesn’t seem to work….the assimilation process is an imperative for a united Malaysia. In short, I espouse the valorisation of Bahasa Melayu in every facet of society as the platform for a new Malaysia under the 1Pribumi concept…
…political parties are dispensed with…Malaysia be administered by a technocracy of experts not beholden to the conflicting demands of stakeholders be it their immediate constituency, party warlords, low level apparatchiks like the folks here……blah, blah, blah
P.S.
Poor me…everyone here out to get me…blah, blah, blah
Hahahaha
September 3, 2009
W213, thanks for the reply, I try to keep my comment short and be more civilise because Haris is no Rocky?!
1. Fair enough. Anyway I prefer not to write anything on Islam, however I notice some Sinophobic love to comment China and Chinese though I don’t see they are that knowledgeable.
2. Would Liverpool join Liga Malaysia? You hear of NEP? Double standard is alive and kicking, I don’t mean you are the only one here.
3. I did provide you a link as rebuttal in another comment, not sure why it didn’t appear. Please surf “Another brick in China’s Great Wall of confusion” But I don’t think all this link represent fact.
4. I mean your racial tone over excessive. As I said this is merely my personal opinion.
5. Your concept is exactly the CCP technocrat argument against the Western type of democracy. I try to give more empathy to the China system as the country is huge and populated with history and civilisation that could lead back to more than 5000 years. Malaysia in comparison is small, young and rich with resource. Don’t you think the Scandinavia and Swaziland social system is a better model? I doubt CCP could hold it any longer if the middle class occupy half of the population, unless with your blessing, the bubble could last forever under the governance of technocrat.
PS/ I think you admire LKY and Singapore.
PS// And I think you have no idea how to deal with Malaysia brand of Islam.
Shakuntala
September 3, 2009
Mr, Warrior 231, have just about read your ‘treatise’…would it upset your ego, if it is pointed out that you ARE LONG AND TEDIUS. You have a penchant for words, quite correct…other than that which Farida calls talent….hmmmmm….granted.
You know, you would do so well in a classroom of eager- beaver students wanting or plotting world domination.
Be that as it may, your ideas of a technocratic type of governance, smacks of power and control…selection… not freely chosen..sorry, not appealing. Mahathirism was in a sense technocratic, for 22 long-drawn out years.
We all know your pronounced Guru is none other than Dr. Mahathir M.(you said so yourself..you adore him) who made a hash of our justice system. But then you admire him, right? Have him, he’s all yours, we’ve left him far behind us.
Your use of the pronoun We…. you gave yourself away there, again smacks of your sinister leanings..spelling out someone else’s gospel, are we?
Your “Utopia” that you propose,to make it short, is really untenable…..unacceptable and would be unworkable.Why?…here’s why..
Are you trying to make robots of people by subjugation..you reel off a set of rules and a framework,like as if the human race is one big mass of immovable flesh which you and maybe your cronies want to drive and manipulate….
Fyi, we are a softer species of people and quite beautiful in our various interesting ways.You can’t really bend something that does not want to bend. Time has shown that whatever system you may enforce, it will not stop another Hilter appearing on the scene.
We lot, who you say so boldly are fashioned out of a bog, are asking the Powers to merely restore the original supreme Constitution of this country..simply because God willed that we be all equal. That’s not a big deal, is it?
And you go beating aout the bush, wanting to change the system of democracy.?
And you show you are jealous of the US which has given even the downtrodden a lease of life…sure, not everything is correct there…but then out of disorder, Man IS ABLE to create order. Don’t be so critical,yourself…
And you’re….what moral governance are you proposing in your super 1Pribumi Paradigm of Virtue Umbrella…extolling as you do, the meaningless and trumped up Ketuanan Melayu cry.
And how would you control, the free spirit of Man which is always seeking….
Sorry for my point of view…your future looks dull dried and abrasive..
What surprises is that you seek to converse with persons like us , who you have such a low opinion of and have the audacity to say it to our faces.
As for your identity..that people are so interested that you reveal..you have the right to be incognito. In deference to you,as a members of civil society, we should respect your right, to remain as… Warrior 231.
Smile….you’re not the only one who is long-winded!!
Warrior 231
September 4, 2009
Part1
This tract is for purposes of discussion only and is the last in response to shakuntala and hahahaha
It is good you craft a riposte that is long and impactful rather than spout homilies that hide anomalies. It is good as meaty responses explain more than skeltal emaciated opinion ever could. ;). It is good that you try to understand the discussion but alas fail….
Firstly, how can a system that has so many inbuilt checks and balances, that empowers the disenfranchised, that valorizes activism, that emphasizes the true meaning of citizenship be ever construed as scheming domination of any sort.
My gawd !, in espousing something , am I to be denied the right to flesh out the framework and in doing so did I come out sounding like a Stalin directing his commissars, whimsically determining his nation’s fate. I am sure I didn’t, for what I stressed were things that would make everyone accountable, participatory, enfranchised, and most of all feel valued as citizens. Pray, tell me how a system that valorizes the citizen, that places him as master of those who serve him ever liable to produce a gargantuan Hitler let alone a pocket Napoleon.
The dignity of man is usurped by democracy for he is a mere name in an electoral role to be feted and serenaded in a once every five year love fest. For every one who stands in line to vote with a conscience, you have ten disemboweled zombies waiting in tow. Pray what is democracy if a bed ridden 85 year old invalid staring at Death’s door and his appointment with his Maker is carried in to scratch some crosses on a piece of paper.
What is democracy and its offspring partisan politics if it merely sharpens enmity, promotes dissension; foments chaos on the grounds of ideology and policy? It makes for great theatre, the pathos and bathos of humanity played out on a public stage, the tragic and the comic in man entwined in a life and death struggle of Shakespearian proportions. I can write a paean to that but I will pass…. just to pause and say that politics is a blood sport for you, an absorbing theatre of human drama, blood and thunder for the bourgeoisie who can recline back and enjoy the spectacle in the arms of middle and upper class comfort, revel in the ebb and flow of individual fates but oblivious to the pain and suffering of anonymous faces .Who cares for the shipwrecks in a roiling sea, of individual lives driven to the rocks; of families marooned on islands of despair; of men, women and children floundering in the waters of economic malaise, social upheaveal, of hopes drowned in a tempest of polemics. Scant consolation isn’t it for the father who is trying to put food on the table for a family of wailing 10 ; small comfort aint’s it for the single mother who is grappling to make ends meet when they never will; stale bread crumbs don’t you think for abandoned senior citizens staring vacantly into ether waiting for the “-eal” to consummate a longing for the grave; puny spoonfuls of water isn’t it for young saplings aspiring for the sun.
Tun Dr M and LKY saw through it all for in the end they knew intrinsically that democracy was a mere sham, a façade for legitimacy nothing more, nothing less. It could not put food on the table, shine hope in despairing eyes or forge strength in shriveled selves .They stared through its illusion of promise and saw the reality of its pain. They chose a slightly different tack, managing resistance but offering sustenance. They succeeded, warts and all, but who is ever perfect? Chiang kai Shek ( the brother in law of Sun Yat Sen), Park Chung Ee, Chun Doo Hwan chose brass tacks and thumbtacks and came up hacks. The CCP chose micro-governance and so far none is feeling askance .I go beyond them, I chose the technocracy way leveraging on the bureaucracy and the citizenry for it valorizes efficiency and delivery while preserving dignity. Not for me is the central micromanagement of the CCP, an ossified entity feeding on its capitalist endeavours to sustain its political life. I don’t fancy Spore as Hahahaha mistakenly assumes, in fact I am very critical of it as evident in RB. In my model dictatorial tendencies are muted as information flows in a dissemination-feedback loop and power is devolved not concentrated.The final arbiter of success being delivery and performance. My IPribumi model will emphasize public service because of a sense of duty, devotion, sacrifice
I framed it within the Ketuanan Melayu paradigm because that is a living reality within the very Constitution you demand its restoration of. It is not a contradiction for isn’t the US practicing the unspoken Ketuanan Anglo-Saxon, much in the same way China proselytizes Ketuanan Han (ask the Tibetans and the Uighurs) or for that matter Ketuanan Hindi in India or Ketuanan Thai in Thailand or Ketuanan Jawa in Indonesia or even the USSR with its Ketuanan Slav during the Communist era. All countries practice some form of “ketuanan” couched in different modalities; we are unabashed in admitting it, maybe, others are unabashed at unleashing it. It is not racist, it is in human nature, brought into focus by the nation state paradigm. It is as ancient as Ur of the Chaldeans. Mesopotamia of the Sumerians, the Hittites, the Phonecians, the Persians. Even the plains Indians distinguish themselves as the Sioux nation, the Apache, the Cheyenne……It signals selfhood, affirms ownership, fosters belonging; ingrains kinship; confers identity; entrenches uniqueness.
5% of Americans own 85% of wealth. The US of A has the highest Gini coefficient amongst OECD countries (http://harvardmagazine.com/2008/07/unequal-america.html). Poverty amongst blacks is 2 times the national average despite years of affirmative action.( and almost 2.5x than whites) Hispanics are almost 2 x above the natural average (and 2x above whites) : on poverty link here: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.xls. I am not envious of the US, why should I, I studied there for a while and I saw the sneer of grinding poverty; the smirk of pervasive hopelessness; the chastened realization that the American dream is really a fata morgana.
Warrior 231
September 4, 2009
Part2
My utopia does not factor in the American model, it is based on the Swedish model with indigenous characteristics. I envision a “humane” economy , I propound societal and governmental empathy. I stress the need to succor the poor, to comfort the destitute; to uplift the downtrodden; to sow hope on the fields of disillusionment , to vanquish apathy, to plant empathy and resurrect charity. My 1Pribumi based model will care for all. It is line with my religious precepts, in sync with my cultural values. It is a burden that is incumbent on us, Muslims ever since the Prophet used the tithe system (zakat) and later the Baitulmal to provide for the poor. Poverty can never be vanquished in the real sense of the word; income differentials will implicitly imply so but its pain and suffering can be ameliorated.
Why does Islam emphasise the zakat? The hikmah is that in giving we are acknowledging His Bounty and our role as His steward, expressing our gratitude for being chosen, deflating our egos hence subconsciously accumulating boons while the recipient in his act of accepting thanks the Almighty for his Mercies, supplicates for the donor invariably accumulating boons as well. A three way spiritual transaction on the metaphysical plane as much as a two-way redistribution of wealth on the physical plane. Not many know the hikmah behind the literal but then they are more interested in corny interpretation 😉 while their turbaned lollipop priesthood is busy haranguing from soapboxes set amidst food-fairs leaving the laity to their own devices……..
1Pribumi will not have the poor waking up to the eyes of the demolition man licensed by the DAP :): It will not assign differential value on the nature of a heritage based on race …but then I digress ( ask Anil why he banned me…no obscenity, mind you). Like Krugman and Sen, I believe in the capacity of government to effect change especially in poverty eradication and wealth redistribution but am sensible enough to keep it leashed so as to not crowd out private enterprise who we can prod to do more by leveraging on the CSR concept..
1Pribumi will impose a Tobin-like tax on Chinese and Indian wealth as a fair recompense for the expropriation and repatriation of wealth derived through the exploitation of local resources by the immigrant comprador class from circa 1850 to 1957. Rest assured it will be judiciously imposed and not be exploitatively onerous in nature.
Warrior 231
September 4, 2009
Part3
Exactly 40 years ago, my dad died, victim of a murder most foul. He died at the apogee of his adulthood while we, his 3 sons and sole daughter, were stranded at the foothills of childhood. We forfeited childhood to embrace adulthood. We were privileged to be left with not only a largesse but also a chest of wisdom, his lasting legacy being we should always look out for the less fortunate, the underprivileged, the deprived, a vision shared by mom. She took his torch and infused in us its glow. We shared the glow with others, wiping off the tears of poverty , uplifting the face of despondency, caressing away the wrinkle of hopelessness, smoothening away the creases of worry. Maybe he was too Kennedyesque in an era brimming with idealism. I am not Kennedy, I am Warrior 231 but the spirit remains. It is an idea that never dies, a dream that never fades, a hope that never extinguishes. I offer it to you under the umbrella of 1Pribumi. Embrace it or reject it… the dream lives on…….
I walked in here with a mission. In doing so, I exposed myself to the potentialities of being misunderstood, not comprehended. I risked being mocked and assailed. And truly I was not wrong for I had presciently divined my destiny in a moment of epiphany. But do this I must….…
For surely this is my Calvary. I bear the cross and ascend the bare stony earth of Golgotha away from the cool shades of Gethsemane. My lips parched of words; my tongue dry of eloquence; calumny and barbs raining down like a shower of arrows, spears of slander thrust against my sides, men with long axe heads to grind vent their spleen, whip lashes of mockery peel away my skin squirting tiny petals of blood everywhere, the air is heavy with rage awash with angst. Drenched in sweat, my body cries out its tears of blood for a people who have lost their soul. 125 Pharisee gibbering louts hollering for my crucifixion, the chief priest smacking his lips. Yet I bear it all, a crown of thorns on my head, I walk on, behind me as I glimpse through the shimmering heat, the rabble appear puny and pathetic. Golgotha beckons as much as Jerusalem hastens. Now the end is near, bile straps my wrist onto the wooden cross, hatred is driven through my left palm, fear through my right, prejudice through my soles and mockery into my ears. Each hammering driving them (the rabble) deeper into the abyss. Rivulets of blood course through my body, beads of sweat drip from my forehead. Yet my honour intact, my faith strengthened, my resolve fortified, I raise my head, my face covered in grime,…. slowly my bloodstained lips purse into a smile, a raven croaks overhead, the sun shrouded red and I end this thread with : “Allah, forgive them all for they know not what they are doing”. Will you lot ever be re…..d?
P/s; I will post something extra for hahahaha’s ccontemplation below.
Warrior 231
September 4, 2009
Shakuntala
i left out saying that the selection process is never an imposition but rather, as you read the original calmly and dispassionately, based on acceptance by the polity via a pleibiscite.
warrior231
September 4, 2009
1. Chinese studies ,both ancient and modern Chinese history and Chinese culture was part of the eclectic education I received at university. Although it may have been an optional paper, I signed up for its important to know their strand of thought and especially what conditions them to act as they do. Over 2 semesters, I was exposed sufficiently to “Sinoiana’ to know enough of their history and the philosophies which shape their lives.
2. To extrapolate the NEP in order to explain intellectual deficiencies is to stretch the imagination to preposterous levels. The NEP was a necessary tool to redistribute wealth and create a more equitable society. it would never have happened under a laizzes faire system, the very system that perpetuated inequalities that led to 1969.No one is saying the NEP was the panacea to all our economic inequalities but no one will deny that it had positive impact on society in more ways than one.
3. The links do matter. In my writings in Rocky’s regarding the Chinese, Imake it a point to reference Chinese experts lest I be accused of “westerner bias” the myth perpetuated by the mainlanders and Nanyangs the world over that the Gwailohs are out to get them. Nothing can be more laughable than this red herring thrown by oriental fishermen clad in pagodas and manoeuvring junks. Get real for a change and accept the reality of China is and the Chinese are. It is embedded in their “socio-genes”; the memes of Richard Dawkins’ tract.
4. I have been there, seen it, done that. You are a prisoner of subjective bias. If everyone is so sinophilic why have articles like these appearing in the Chinese press for that matter:
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/commentary/afp/2009/08/21/221407/Prickly-ties.htm
and this to affirm that in a respected Indian daily
:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Split-India-says-China-think-tank/articleshow/4883573.cms
Now what will the Indians here think of the Chinese…No I am not fomenting something…honest!
Admit it, China have a insistent need to call the shots, to extend its hegemony on the global stage and this proclivity to subjugate is essentially embedded in Chinese genes as history attests but I am treading a fine line in here…so lets continue at Rocky’s with this one. if opportunity abounds 🙂
4. yawn…….zzzzzz……..
5. Wrong, the CCCP is premised on the notion that the party is the state and the state is the party. It uses its vast network to extend its tentacles to its citizens’ very hearth. In recent years, it has loosened up but only because of economic realities. Curiously, the economic zones are an echo of the “open ports’ of the Ching era. The only difference being then they were compelled by the whites to open, post-Opium war of the 1840s onwards, now they welcome the Gwailoh. The CCP feeds on the capitalist economy to satiate its communist soul. Its a behemoth, a control freak wary of dissent but it need not bother for the Chinese are a docile lot as long as their economic needs are satisfied. Look at Spore, that is how Harry Lee kept them on a leash (he even implied as much once, i forgot the link)and still does! He knows something that I do and you don’t which will remain unmentionable. it is the same story with the Nanyang the world over as history and contemporary events attest.
The technocracy model I espouse is an antithesis of the CCCP structure. It is a dynamic entity amenable to evaluation, a progressive structure liable to change, a living entity susceptible to criticism. Trifle with the common man; fail to deliver; affect arrogance and in built monitoring mechanisms will account for you or the slate will be wiped clean 4 years down the road. It is an empowering tool for each and every plebeian. It fires up the spirit of true citizenship, it drains away the sap of ineptitude; it washes away the dregs of corruption. My concern is the poor not the bourgeoisie who sip wine at the Wharf
Warrior 231
September 4, 2009
haris
i sent 5 comments in just now. are you dumping them all, hope not as they are my last.
teo siew chin
September 4, 2009
Warrior 231 – those are just about the best comments i have ever come across! you memang terror la.
You are not yet done presenting your case, so dont make those comments your last.
If you feel restricted by being ‘nice’, we wont begrudge u a cuss-word or two … but not after every 2 sentences ok. So fire away!
Warrior 231
September 5, 2009
Teo, thanks for the compliments but I am certainly not here for the plaudits nor the brickbats. I have offered what I fervently believe to be the best way forward based on prevailing “socio-economic- politico” realities.
Maybe, its an idea whose time hasn’t arrived or maybe it has been misunderstood by some who are enamored with the “democracy, partisan” approaches and who view alternatives with cynicism, disdain or otherwise as it may impinge on vested interests. But then, it is perfectly within their rights as much I am perfectly within my rights to view their initiative with an equal dose of cynicism.
Further engagement is thus redundant and would be an unfair imposition on the bogmaster. I may or may not return to cross swords, even if the coram who have adjourned proceedings to deliberate the matter judiciously based on past precedents deliver a positive verdict in due course.
Whatever the case, i am struck by the fact that both solipsism and nihilism are thriving in these parts in equal measure. Little wonder as to why events, perceived via these detached and inchoate
perspectives, receive the subjective reactions they hardly deserve.
warrior231
September 4, 2009
Thank you for allowing the space to put across my case.
warrior231,
Most welcome
farida
September 4, 2009
Warrior 231,
I cannot agree with your beliefs but I can understand to some extent the road you have travelled.
In Part 3 you showed us your heart. I used to think you had none. For that error I apologise.
Hahahaha
September 4, 2009
W231
1. I know you are “quite” well-informed on China and Chinese. Might be as good as some western Sinologist. The problem is, as one commenters put it, this so-called knowledgeable lots love to pigeonhole China in order to have it fit in with their own narrative, imagination or aspiration. Exactly like how the West looks at Muslim.
2. I don’t find it absurd. Expand the scope a bit, what happen to the education standard after the implementation of NEP?
3. It is a well known fact that China and India are not in good term since the border war, foment or no foment wouldn’t change a thing. I am not here to reject the hegemony observation but I prefer to see this as one of the direction that China may advance. Under a open and thought flourish environment, anything can happen but historically, there is not much facts to substantiate such claim. If Xinjiang and Tibet are a case in point, then I think CCP is being too kind.
The gene thing is a fun topic and Dawkin also wrote “The plight of many science teachers today is not less dire. When they attempt to expound the central and guiding principle of biology; when they honestly place the living world in its historical context — which means evolution; when they explore and explain the very nature of life itself, they are harried and stymied, hassled and bullied, even threatened with loss of their jobs. At the very least their time is wasted at every turn. They are likely to receive menacing letters from parents and have to endure the sarcastic smirks and close-folded arms of brainwashed children. They are supplied with state-approved textbooks that have had the word “evolution” systematically expunged, or bowdlerized into “change over time”. Once, we were tempted to laugh this kind of thing off as a peculiarly American phenomenon. Teachers in Britain and Europe now face the same problems, partly because of American influence, but more significantly because of the growing Islamic presence in the classroom — abetted by the official commitment to “multiculturalism” and the terror of being thought racist”
4. Ok. Close case.
5. I might be wrong. If you do read below link, CCP and the new generation Chinese are not merely seeking wealth to preserve it control.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2008/03/chinasnewintelligentsia/
In my opinion, there are three stages of development after CCP come into power. 1) Mao 2) Deng, Hu (YB), Zhao & Jiang and 3) Hu (JT) + Wen. Yours thesis is more on the second stage. By looking at the succession plan of leadership within CCP and their economy policy lately, China is actually go back to the imperial system less out the emperor. The government is controlled via a group of technocrat, it is no difference with the bureaucracy past. In short, China is no more a Communist.
We can write another three thousands word essay on the bad of democracy system, however, I remain doubtful of the continued existence of a technocratic government in the long term. Umno could implement what you have written in your Pribumi concept for the past 50 years and I don’t see any threatening factor that could stop them.
My conclusion is that your concept is as bright as NEP but it would take forever to achieve what Swedish or Danish did. The core issue is your Ketuanan differ with other country Ketuanan.
Shakuntala
September 4, 2009
Mr. Warrior 231,in your latest tirade,you do not want to mention something that LKY had said, something that only you are entitled to know…is mind boggling!
It seems to be connected to the fact, after you, that it is one of the reasons why that despotic leader has to hold his honest, hard-working and loyal citizens, on a leash??? Don’t forget Singapore is multi-racial,like ours is. Not only the Chinese, as you claim.
But coming back, try… for a change of spirit.. to wright the wrongs that are so visibly and audaciously committed around us, within the system that we believe should treat all of us, given that we are in it for the moment at least, rather more humanely and equally.
For having learned compassion from your two good parents, I would think that you have enough compassion in you, but not quite enough, sorry, for that grand paradigm of a plan of yours, for the future of our country.
Sorry that I fail in your estimation, of my abilities, especially in the unravelling of your thoughts.It may be that I was not lucky enough, to have had the opportunities of learning, that you had been blessed with.
On a rather more lighter note …what is your aversion to wine, if I may ask? I suppose you don’t know that it contains tender grapes and is generally good for you.
And by the way,Mr. Warrior 231, let your Dream live on…together with ours,if I may say the bolder.. ours, for a better world, no matter how unreachable both are.
warrior231
September 5, 2009
I think you have a penchant for twisting the message and read subliminous stuff into things where they dont exist. Read calmly and dispassionately before launching into a tirade.
This shortcoming is amply demonstrated by your understanding of the LKY thingy and even the last sentence about the wine :
“My concern is the poor not the bourgeoisie who sip wine at the Wharf”
It seems pretty obvious that you are so obsessed with the idea of “getting me” that everything else including objectivity is secondary. Let the readers be the judge of the depths you will plumb next.
Hahahaha
September 5, 2009
Please allow me to add in a bit on China and capitalism, with the exception of the last 40 years or so, China has for the most part of its history more or less been a mixture of “feudalism” and “capitalism”. Characteristic of both often co-existed alongside each other, with the former more prevalent away from the urban centres and vice versa, but not absolutely or exclusively so. You may google China economy/banking history (钱庄)，Shanxi financial / business activity (晋商).
The weaken China after 1799 / Qian Long are due to 1) the usual complacency that ensue in most long and old culture/civilisation 2) Qing polity failure policy without a comprehensive understanding of world affair (West) and 3) lack nationalism and race base. The Qing dynasty rather the collapse of Manchu than to empower the Han to fight the foreigner.
I don’t see any Chinese in Harry. Zhou EL called him a banana. If there were no progress on China economy for the past 20 years, LKY would continue his dog-barking role for his West master. How he treats the Chinese educated Singaporean and Nantah validate my wrap up on him.
Not that keen to carry on the discussion in RB, over there, I become pig and you turn dog.
teo siew chin
September 5, 2009
awww come on Ha4….u r doing good….helloooo have u not heard, pigs and dogs get to be real good pals!
“I dont see any Chinese in Harry” is a quaint observation… surely it is not the race that maketh a person, especially one whose lifelong residence is not in the ‘motherland’.
BrightEyes
September 5, 2009
Hey warrior, you see… when you talk civilly, people are more willing to hear whatever Grand Scheme you have in mind. Sure beats plastic pendekaring, swearing, and jumping about like some escapee from the nuthouse, eh?
How would a 1Pribumi bring the races together when theres this so-called Tobin tax on the Indians and Chinese? Rather than such a regressive policy, its better to tax the rich regardless of race.
Fern
September 6, 2009
HI GUYS,
You all felt for the oldest monkey tricks of this so called Warrior.Forget it , deny him the space and he starts jerking in all directions.
Dont forget once a racist always a racists!Tells u he studies chinese and you all pathetic souls starts wavering.
He is trying to be a master in this game!but sincerity is lacking here!His character reminds me so so much of a much abused kid by his father to be President of THE USA.
Hahahaha
September 6, 2009
Hi Teo, W213 preconception on the Chinese including Malysia Chines especially DAP is what LKY did in the past, he equal LKY anglophile political ideology to Chinese Confucius cultural principles while in fact, he should know LKY more than me and you, he call him Harry!
Additional remarks of the W213 link. If I am not mistaken, China Post is a Taiwanese newspaper that lean towards DPP, however that is beyond the point. I would not say the view from that article is wide of the mark, it does reflect sentiment of some hawkish Chinese. If you wish to know more of extreme right Chinese, a better illustration of their stance is the book titled “Unhappy China” which promote a more assertive and aggrandize attitude instead of the present “peaceful rise”. The question is, do this represent the majority’s notion of China future? We may agree to disagree on this topic because I am in no position to convince you.
My son history test includes a question to form an opinion on Qin ShiHuang, emperor that construct Great Wall. The one who score the best mark give the answer “cruelty but with reason (残而有道)” instead of the usual “cruel (残忍无道)”. I told my son this is the difference between reading and comprehending history. Oh btw, the test is for CIS year one, secondary level. So dun worry too much, Fern.
farida
September 6, 2009
Fern,
We are not naive to fall for monkey tricks. We allow a person to say what he wants to say. We judge him on his full track record and wait for inconsistencies to creep up as surely they will if one is not truthful.
Trust us, none of us was born yesterday.
Warrior 231
September 6, 2009
haris
I have sent my final response to hahahaha. Have you deleted them or is the spam excuse about to rear its head again?
Deleted
Warrior 231
September 6, 2009
Any reasons as to why? the old tactic of censorship back at work or is it that I am banned here,
The subject of this post was quite clear.
All have had their say.
Even you.
Your ‘comments’ are no longer comments to this post.
They are dissertations totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
Trust this explanation suffices.
Warrior 231
September 6, 2009
Ok agreed, its your bog and you have every right to terminate the discussion as you deem fit. Anyway, i invite hahahaha to view my final comments at this link:
http://syamil-revert.blogspot.com
It is NOT my blog but I trust that blogmaster will allow those deleted comments to be aired in good faith in the name of freedom of expression and in the vein of civilised discourse. You wouldnt mind this message I hope.
pai pai
Freddie Kevin
September 7, 2009
En Haris,
Seems a majority of commentators have given the green light. What say you?
Thank you
Freddie
Freddie,
The majority of commentators here have spoken in defence of free speech and expression.
I will respect those wishes.