Commentator Patriot drew my attention to blogger Hussein Abdul Hamid’s take on my post, ‘The end days of PKR in Sabah?’, and suggested I respond.
Patriot, here goes.
With regard to my source’s assertion that Anwar had, concerning the possibility of Jeffrey Kitingan being appointed Sabah PKR state chief, said,“No way in hell will I have Jeffrey as chief”, Hussein responded that he has known Anwar for over 50 years and has never known him to use the ‘H’ word.
Note here that Hussein does not say he was at that meeting and therefore confirms on first-hand evidence that Anwar did not use the ‘H’ word. His position is based on the reputation of Anwar, as known to Hussein.
Well I cannot claim to have known Anwar for that period of time, let alone any period to boast of, or count him as a friend, but I will have to go along with Hussein and say I, too, have never, ever heard him utter the ‘H’ word.
Interestingly, though, Malaysiakini reported the day before yesterday that former Deputy Sabah PKR chief Daniel John Jambun had said : “We are disturbed that Anwar said that ‘there’s no way in hell that he would allow Jeffrey to be Sabah PKR state chief’. If it’s true, then PKR in Sabah is finished.”
Wonder if Jambun’s source is the same as mine?
Whatever, let’s assume that Jambun’s and my source, if indeed different, got it wrong or, worse yet, embellished their version of what happened.
No ‘H’ word, then.
Anwar merely said “No way will I have Jeffrey as chief”.
Now, as to why Anwar will not have Jeffrey as Sabah chief, Hussein alludes to Jeffrey’s detention under the ISA on suspicion of plotting to secede Sabah from Malaysia and having switched political parties many times, and then equates Jeffrey with Ibrahim Ali, the former being the ‘katak’ in Sabah and the latter the ‘katak’ in Semenanjung . “Why would anyone want Jeffrey to lead any team against UMNO?”, Hussein asks. Only a moron would trust Jeffrey, and Anwar is no moron, insists Hussein.
Let me respond to this by once again reproducing something I had said in my letter to Anwar last year.
“…most of my friends and I, like my sister, have long forgiven you for your involvement in the atrocities committed by Mahathir during his reign of destruction and pillage, even if only by association and your failure to dissociate with his regime.
But like you, we, too, have not forgotten.
Just as remembrance will serve you well, so too us.
Will we ever forget?
I cannot speak for the others, but for me, I think that is really up to you…
…Many times last year, I wrote in this blog that I wished you would give me a reason to trust you.
Whilst I have to be frank and tell you that I still do not trust you, three things have persuaded me to ‘take a chance’ “.
Most of us are not moronic enough to trust Anwar. We’re only prepared to take a chance with him.
Why should Sabahans, if they so choose, not be permitted take a chance with Jeffrey?
Jeffrey ISAed for plotting to secede Sabah from the federation?
Hussein needs to consider whether that might be the very reason why some in Sabah are prepared to take a chance with Jeffrey.
If Jeffrey did indeed plot to secede Sabah from the rest of Malaysia, he merely attempted what I would imagine a great many Sabahans wished they had the gall to do. In that sense, I suppose Jeffrey will go down in Sabah folklore as a hero, if he did in fact plot to do as is now suggested.
As for Jeffrey being a ‘katak’, I hope that Hussein has not forgotten Anwar’s role, with the use of ‘kataks’, in the 1994 displacement of PBS, which had won the state elections, paving the way for BN to form the state government. I know a great many Sabahans have not forgotten.
And was not Anwar’s drive to wrest the federal gvernment from BN last year founded on a great many ‘froggies’ getting onto his bandwagon?
I certainly hope that the reasons proffered by Hussein in his post as to why Jeffrey ought not to have been appointed as Sabah chief are his and his alone, and not Anwar’s. Were it otherwise, it would not be out of place for Jeffrey to eyeball Anwar and ask, “See ye the speck in mine eye and not the plank in thine own?”.
Hussein disputes that a fax message, signed by 14 Sabah PKR division chiefs in support of Jeffrey as Sabah chief, was sent to PKR president Wan Azizah last Sunday. Hussein insists that his “credible sources indicated that more divisional heads support Ahmad Thamrin Hj Zaini (letters duly signed) compared to Jeffri (letters by Fax)”.
Note that, in this regard, Hussein, like me, depends on a source for this assertion.
Both of us, Hussein and I, will not disclose the identity of our respective sources.
What I will try to do here is to corroborate the information from my source.
Last Monday, in the same Malaysiakini report linked above, it was reported that PKR’s powerful KadazanDusunMurut Task Force was to meet yesterday. The report had it that “High on the agenda would be a fax and hand-delivered brief sent yesterday morning to Wan Azizah by 14 division chiefs proposing that Keningau division chief Jeffrey Gapari Kitingan (left) be appointed as Sabah State PKR Chief”.
Up to this morning, I have not seen any public statement from PKR denying that there was such a fax from the 14 division choefs to the party president. Similarly, up to the time of writing up this post, I have not seen any report in any media of any statement by anyone in PKR that would lend support to Hussein’s contention.
In respect of my statement, “Azmin’s out. The PKR division chiefs have made it clear that he’s not wanted”, Hussein suggests that there “really is no need to malign Azmin. His mandate by Biro Politik Keadilan ends in October”.
Strange.
On 8th October, Malaysiakini reported that, responding to a memo sent by 16 division chiefs to the party HQ demanding that Azmin be forthwith replaced as Sabah state chief, “Azmin Ali today urged all the party’s Sabah division chiefs to stop demanding that he be removed from his position until everything is organised in the state”.
Azmin is reported to have said : “I was appointed as an interim state chief to get things organised and to strengthen the division. Within a short period of time, I will hand over this responsibility to another leader from Sabah”.
It is reported that when asked when things would be organised so he could hand over his power, Azmin replied: “The sooner the better. The party will appoint a new leader in Sabah and I would be more than happy to relinquish power and cooperate with a new team there. That was the understanding all along”.
Note that not once did Azmin mention that his mandate ended in October.
On 15th October, Malaysiani, reporting on the PKR politburo meeting of the same day, had it that “the political bureau also directed Azmin to convene the Sabah PKR Leadership Council on Oct 25 and report back the prevailing mood among party leaders and members in the state. He is expected to work on his exit strategy based on a face-saving formula which the Sabah divisional heads would be asked to propose. It appears that “Azmin would have to leave Sabah by Christmas at the very latest to stave off an open rebellion which would have political repercussions in neighbouring Sarawak as well”.
Again, no mention of a ‘by end October’ mandate.
My statement that Anwar was determined to see a Muslim lead PKR in Sabah because, it had been said, he insists that Muslims make up the majority in Sabah, it would seem, has been misconstrued by Hussein. Certainly, his response that “This is a most pathetic assumption to say that no Muslim is eligible. That all Muslims are deemed to be racists”, I think, bears this out.
Nowhere in my post had I ever suggested that no Muslim was eligible or that all Muslims are deemed racists.
My point was whether Jeffrey was rejected only because he is not Muslim. That, I believe, is borne out by my inquiry whether “Even if it is true that Muslims now are the majority in Sabah, have we not gone beyond communalist, race-based and religion-orientated politics to that of meritocracy?”.
Hussein closes his post with an assertion that all that he has said is based on fact.
Respectfully, I beg to differ.
The People's Parliament 
Bigjoe
October 28, 2009
On the issue of Jeffrey plotting for Sabah to secede.. The fact the idea is abhorent to those in Peninsular just proves that those that think that way is so out of touch. Sure he probably did it for selfish reason BUT in hind sight, it was NOT a bad idea if he had succeeded.
I am from Peninsular and frankly many Chinese think that Sabah/Sarawak should have joined Singapore in 1963.
Pat
October 28, 2009
Haris,
I really don’t know what to think. It is hard to believe that both you and Hussein are ‘fighting’ on the same side. But, after a double-take, it seems you are!
I read Zorro’s blog posts, and come away with the same conclusion: I’m lost.
What are we to think?
For me, that one of the bones of contention is Jeffery Kitingan is upsetting. That guy has switched sides too many times to warrant this kind of attention.
But you do have a point: both sides seem to be standing with the aide of kataks!
So, where does that leave us, the voters? Is this a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea? The rock and the hard place?? It’s really not a very good place we’re at right now.
Pat,
My 2 sen.
Come 13th GE, we must be ready to take BN out.
With or without Pakatan.
Sabah and Sarawak are imperatives in the equation.
If we in Semenanjung see it fit to give DSAI a shot notwithstanding all that we know of him, why cannot we accomodate the Sabahans choice, if they do choose Kitingan?
If Pakatan are not up to the task of winning over the Sabahans and Sarawakians, we must find another team that can.
Without Sabah and Sarawak, we can kiss goodbye to any hope of sending BN out on its backside come the 13th GE.
I have not spat with Hussein.
It may simply be that he is,at this time, an Anwar loyalist.
I have never been and will never be.
My loyalty is to my fellow anak Bangsa Malaysia.
tmithomas
October 28, 2009
come 13th GE, i fear that people would be so disillusioned with opposition that they would vote back the devil in blue, just like what happened in bp.
people don’t realise that it will do the nation good if there is check and balance, it doesn’t have to be BN checking PR or vice versa, just the very possibility that there will be change, if only for the sake of it, is good enough to keep those tyrants in toe.
i sure wish that whoever takes control come next GE (which seemed so long away anyway) will first purge the government of leeches and baggage. the country really had to be run like an INC, not a socialist state.
Pat
October 28, 2009
I hear you, Haris.
And yes, I too, have never been an Anwar loyalist. And, I too, was willing to give him a chance, given the other option we had.
While I cannot speak for Hussein, my gut-feeling tells me that he’s an Anak Bangsa Malaysia at heart.
You say: ‘My loyalty is to my fellow anak Bangsa Malaysia.’
So is mine, Haris. And, I’ll hazard a guess that many of those here too, will stand with you here.
Pat,
In agreement with you here on all counts
Tom
October 28, 2009
‘Hussein closes his post with an assertion that all that he has said is based on fact’ fact is Hussien is not in Malaysia but you Haris are in Malaysia. You are on the ground and not observing from afar, that Haris gives you more credibility.
Tom,
Thank you.
spm cert only
October 28, 2009
i,ve been following this blog since u,ve started but i guess its only for the elit.i dont quite understand your expectation and ambition,maybe my level of thinking is not at par.
but bro harris i do agree with most of your thinking but pls bear in mind majority of the “voters” are like me.not so educated or would not like to read complicates writings, we tends to get restless or boring.
what we want is to get BN out.maybe pakatan is not perfect but if we start to attack them all over,are we helping them or finishing them.
sorry for my english.dulu sekolah atap je di kampung dapat grade 2 je,english credit 6 so excuse me.at least i,m trying.
spm cert only,
Firstly, nothing wrong with your English.
We are not attacking but being critical of Pakatan and BN.
We must continue to be.
They ( BN & Pakatan, and all politicians, for that matter ) must learn to take this criticism constructively and heed the same.
Otherwise, we must be prepared to reject them at the poll and look elsewhere, including at our ownselves, to fill our representational requirements.
barry
October 28, 2009
If by any chance in HELL Sabah manages to secede and forms a new independent state, I will be the first to (try anyway) apply for citizenship. Sabah is one of the richest states in Malaysia in terms of natural resources, with a most wonderful group of human beings who are unfortunately being screwed left, right and centre by UMNO/BN, rendering them among the poorest in the country. Sabah deserves better, much better, than what it is now, and DSAI had better not screwed them.
Hoyohoyo
October 28, 2009
Sadly, DSAI was the one screwing them in 1994…
Sabahan
October 28, 2009
Sabah has all the abundant natural resources , and yet we are the poorest state in Malaysia, what went wrong actually?
Sabahans are anti federal since the 1970s, and I think if the secession plan by Jeffrey worked out, many Sabahans will be more than happy with what he did..
rajan
October 28, 2009
Aiyoooo yooooo,
What lah, looks like come ge13, its going to be hell who to vote for.
I suggest Zaid, TGNA,RPK , the folks with ABM and the respectable leaders of pakatan
[ with no baggage] take over MMSP ,since it is not race based but peoples power based and be the THIRD and POPULAR FORCE. Hey ! can be done YES?
Get Uthaya and his brother[on their own they have lost their shine and who was INVITED to take over MMSP by that thenitran,have a CLEAN meet and go for the “KILL” in ge13.
Desperate times need desperate measures.No sin this way.
Why get riled up with PKR,PAS and DAP,let them DISSOLVE themselves and join the new SET UP based on SABM.Could be an “OUTSIDER” win.
As a strong supporter of PR, i get ******* pissed off with all the “cock” issues that we hear about.
I strongly feel its the season for screwing each other up good and proper in MIC,MCA,UMNO,DAP,PKR,PAS, what have you.
When are these BODOH “leaders” from PR going to realise that with every tiny “irritation ” they cause, they are losing the support of those who VOTED THEM IN AS A VOTE AGAINST BN.Once they lose this vote flow, i dont think they can regain it again.Could be ,there will be 75% spoilt votes In GE13 if no concrete and clear steps are taken by PR to improve their image and trust of the people.
I for one with “cross” all ‘boxes’ in ge13.
Aiyaaaaaaaaaaaa WTBF is all this !
pkler
October 28, 2009
A Sabahans perspective:
*We like Jeffrey’s talk. He really talks the talk, but we have learnt that he does not walk the walk. The man has zero credibility. Anwar is right not to trust him, and as (de facto) PKR leader has the power to lean on PKR Sabah to ensure Jeffrey does not get elected as state leader. But if PKR Sabah insists, he must accept. That is the democratic thing to do. Deal with it.
*Anwar has handled this situation very badly indeed. As one of those who remember his disgusting role in 1994, I too remain skeptical of him, but have given him a chance. To be fair, he has said and done more than Jeffrey (who says but never does). But his dictatorial way with PKR Sabah marks him out as yet another ‘west malaysian imperialist dog.’ This feeling may be well founded or otherwise, but semenanjung bashing is a great pasttime in Sabah, and politicians miss no opportunity to become folk heroes by blaming west malaysia for all our ills. Jeffrey knows this. So make Anwar look like the bad guy. He may or may not be the bad guy, but it sure as hell looks like it now.
Personally we don’t need PKR in Sabah because it has yet to show it can accommodate our idiosyncracies, something DAP has accommodated. The big winner here isn’t BN though, it is SAPP and their machiavellian leader, Yong Teck Lee. I don’t care for him, but he is a born winner.
Sabahan
October 28, 2009
YTL also played a hand in engineering the entry of UxNO into Sabah, he is and still AI’s good friend, he also make a Maika@Saham Amanah Sabah, and also the PTIs issue..
Shakuntala
October 28, 2009
One doesn’t quite know the truth….simply because politics is a cheating game,filled with intrigues.
And in this country, the tradition to cheat and not be responsible, to the people, as leaders, has been handed down…like a tradition. And so it stinks!
But then will we the people ever know the truth…because there is nothing final in politics.
At the moment it seems very like the transference of what is happening on our streets, to the political scene.
The powerful big ‘monster cars’ are tooting out the little weaker ones and so in our political spectrum, big powerful brothers are sneering at their weaker siblings and saying, “get out of the way, my turn now.” Everyone is having a turn!
It is the story of the powerful preying on their victims…and we the people are the sad victims.
Again and again, shamelessly, in this country, there is only RACE and RELIGION, distorted to suit and fan sectional interests and hate.
THANK YOU HARIS, FOR SO COURAGEOUSLY CHOOSING TO TRAVE THE LESS TRODDEN OF TWO ROADS.
You know you have lots of persons following you!
And finally what is a politician ??? … only just, an animal. We all know that.
One could go on…….
But then I have a poem, not mine…for sharing.
“I wish I loved the Human Race;
I wish I loved its silly face;
I wish I liked the way it walks;
I wish I liked the way it talks;
And when I’m introduced to one
I wish I thought WHAT JOLLY FUN!”
NOTE: Love is generously used with reference to RACE.
PH Chin
October 28, 2009
The are many good reasons to choose a leader. As long as one chooses a leader through the lens of race and religion, his vision will be blurred.
Can he make a good choice ? I do not think so.
eastender
October 28, 2009
I think there’s nothing to do with race or religion in choosing someone to head Sabah. JT would still be unhappy if DSAI chose someone else other than a muslim but not him. JT could do this to PKR now and he would do it again anytime to other party just like he did before. I suggest JT to set up his own party, instead.
kk175812
October 28, 2009
Sebagai orang Semenanjung, saya secara peribadi sedih melihat rakyat Sabah di anak tirikan. Sekarang sudah timbul perasaan tidak percaya antara satu sama lain. Kenapa harus terjadi sebegini?
Kita semua hendaklah membuang perasaan rasis dan agama di dalam mencapai penyatuan.
Walaupun saya adalah orang Melayu dan beragama islam, tapi saya sendiri percaya sistem sekular adalah lebih baik dilaksanakan dalam mencapai perpaduan semua rakyat.
syed kecik
October 28, 2009
salam bro harris
mungkin artikel ini menarik minat you
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JEFFREY MISSION IMPPOSIBLE ENDED?
FIRST of all we, a loyal members of PKR would like to congratulates Ahmad Thamrin for being appointed as Sabah State Chief. Well, as per camp J requisition, to have a truly Sabahan to hold the post of State Chief, so the President has granted their request by appointing Ahmad Thamrin. Excellent job Dato’ Seri President!
According to PKR’s constitution, President has every right to appoint whoever that he/she likes to be the State Chief. So there shouldn’t be any doubtful about it, eventhough camp J has claimed that they got 3/4 supports from the Divisional Chiefs. As a party member we should obey with the President decision. If anybody or whoever reluctant to bear the decision made, they are welcome to pull themselves out from PKR in block.
This group are just a liability to the party. They might think that they are the important person in party. For a God sake, they are nothing but a trouble-maker. They’ve created a lot of irreparable problems. I believes if they are gone, a lot more KDM will joint PKR and PKR will gain more trust from the Muslims and KDM. As what I’ve written before, this camp J is a disaster to PKR. Get rid of them and PKR will gain more and more supporters from every level of peoples. Trust me.
Dr Jeffrey should be thankful to the President for appointing him as the Vice President of PKR. To be frank, Dr Jeffrey has no influence in Sabah. Dr Jeffery bought a number of ‘fragile’ divisional chiefs in order to show to President and Ketua Umum that 3/4 divisional chiefs has supported and wanted him to be the State Chief. The grass-roots doubts the sincererity of Dr Jeffrey and his so called hard-core teams. Dr Jeffrey is a racialist and there’s no way in hell that he could unites natives Muslims and natives non-muslims. We exactly don’t have faith on him. They are experts in making up defamation.
I remembered Dr Jeffrey at once has chosen his own relatives to stand in Pitas on 2008 general election. Pitas is a Muslims area and it’s end up with miserable result and deposit deprived ! Even Dr Jeffrey manage to win all KDM’s seats they still can’t rule the state. Happy daydreams Dr Jeffrey and the gangs.
From the rumours I’ve heard that Dr Jeffrey and the gangs would like to joint SAPP and it’s not a shock if the current President of SAPP will be kicked out by Dr Jeffrey and the gangs. Well Yong Teck Lee, beware! This bizzare groups will crushed your SAPP as what they did to PKR. No wonder Pairin doesn’t want his brother back to PBS. PKR should have not bring in Dr Jeffrey to PKR on the first place. Look what he did to PKR – a massive destruction!
By the way, who is Daniel John Jambun in PKR? He is not even a divisional chief and he is only former Deputy Sabah State Chief. Talking about the so called so powerful KDMTF, another daydreamer!
This task force it’s not mentioned elsewhere in the PKR’s constitution. This KADAZAN MURUTDUSUN task force are only created by Dr Jeffrey to ensconce himself. Wake-up dude, stand on your own feet and stand right infront of the mirror, and ask yourself, who am I and does myself meaningful to the party? If the answer is NO, it means that you and Dr Jeffrey brains need to be motivated and get polished!
Once again, to Ahmad Thamrin just ignores these uppish and broken-hearted groups headed by Dr Jeffrey and the gangs such as Awang Ahmad Sah, Awang Tengah, Duljit, Johanis, Jalumin and Lajim Yusof.
We are definately will gives our 100% moral supports to you. These groups will continously attacks you and your line-up Majlis Pimpinan Negeri. Let it be. Let the camp J barks all night long. So far they’ve done nothing good to PKR only demolishing and jeopardizing PKR.
To Daniel John, who are you to judge Ahmad Thamrin as a poor performer? Don’t ever equalize the messed that you and Dr Jeffrey has done with other people. At least we are having a Sabahan leaders and may I remind you as per you and your gangs requested, remember?
So take it or leave it. Don’t like? Get yourself out from PKR and leave PKR alone!
By: THOMAS LAJINUN
pkler
October 29, 2009
They are clearly 2 sides to every story-the problem is both Anwar and Jeffrey have credibility issues, so which liar to believe?
Susan Toh
October 28, 2009
Haris
You and Hussein are on the right side of the fence but with different opinions on DSAI. Nothing wrong with that. BUT where you are colour blind and speak based on facts, Hussein seems colour conscious and mere a DSAI follower with an outdated vision of his friend. That, Haris, is what makes you a true blue ABM. You are a brave warrior with your feet planted firmly on Malaysian soil. As for Hussein he is safely tucked away in Adelaide and can say what he wants. All the best in your roadshow. Stay safe.
Susan,
I’m humbled.
You stay safe too.
If you are at any of the cities / towns where the roadshow heads out to, please do come and join us.
forestbear
October 28, 2009
Dear Haris
I agree totally with what Susan Toh has so eloquently expressed. I had been a recent follow of HH but was disappointed with the view he took in this Sabah issue; immediately the thought occurred that HH is an anwar loyalist and race coloured. However your stand is firm on ABM which is race and colour blind.
If at all the PR alliance of PKR, DAP and PAS keep on like this, please consider pulling out support and start a third force as some others have suggested.
syed kecik
October 28, 2009
and also this:-
So much has been publish and said about Jeffery Kitingan.But the root of the matter here is knowing the actual chronology of events that took place prior to the appointment of Ahmad Thamrin as the new state chief.
My source in Kota Kinabalu I believe has more credit to the truth as compared to the doctored facts by Jeffery and his “supporters”.The whole episode is Sabah PKR wanted a Sabahan to lead the state liaison committee and not from West Malaysia,irrespective if he comes with merits and willing to die for Sabahans.
Azmin Ali had made clear on the first day he presided his first meeting that he would NOT stay a minute longer as state chief once his able to consolidate and strengthen the party,”I would leave even tomorrow” were his words. During is short stint prior to his unceremonious departure,he had brought significant changes and funds to the state PKR.
The was a plot to remove Azmin by way of a memorandum,orchestrated by Jeffery saying that Sabahans only must lead PKR Sabah.This of course is something no one would dispute and rightfully so.Secret meetings were convene by division chiefs(18 as claim)to oust Azmin and replace him with Jeffery.
On the 22nd.Oct,Azmin convene a meeting with all the division chiefs in Kota Kinabalu.When the matter was put to the chiefs who should be the new state chief,NO one uttered a word.How Pathetic can this be?Finally all the state chiefs including Jeffery who was present unanimously agreed to leave it to the wisdom of the party President to decide who should be the new state chief.That being agreed,the party Supreme council met on the 25th.Oct to deliberate and decide the new chief who must be a Sabahan.
Jeffery who is also a Supreme Council member informed all the division chiefs and his supporters that he would attending the meeting and left for Kuala Lumpur.Ironically Jeffery stayed in his hotel room and did NOT attend the meeting,but inform his supporters he attended the meeting.Why lie?
The Supreme Council subsequently table the 2 names namely Ahmad Thamrin and Jeffery and unanimously agreed to appoint Sabahan Thamrin as the new chief.Isn’t this what the main objective was all about?Jeffery was asked during the press conference at the meeting on the 22nd.Oct by a Star reporter,Datuk would you agree for the President to decide the new state chief?Jeffery answer was,”Yes I will abide by the Presidents decision”,why the reverse turn around now?
So the whole fiasco is not about a Sabahan leading the state,it’s all about Jeffery Kitingan WANTING TO LEAD THE STATE.This is all too familiar of Jeffery’s modus operandi during his wrath for power when he was with PBS,AKAR and PBRS.
He has now resign as Vice-President but maintains his ordinary membership,what does this mean?He has claimed that he has lost confidence in the leadership of PKR,but still remains as a member.The PKR leadership should respect Jeffery’s desire to resign as VP.They should admire his inability to perform but remaining as an ordinary member to serve the party.God Bless Him.
Jeffery’s days of hoodwinking the people and trying to gain sympathy from them are over.As a VP,there was every possibility that he could have made history by becoming the first DPM of Malaysia when PR forms the next government.But he had chosen to downgrade himself by just merely wanting to be the state chief.And he calls himself a Harvard grad.
Good luck to you Jeffery Kitingan.PKR will be stronger in Sabah and the people will continue to be behind the party.
kk175812
October 29, 2009
It is up to Sabahans either to accept JK or to evict him…that is a democracy
jesseltonite
October 28, 2009
I strongly disagree with Jambun. WIthout Jeffrey, Sabah PKR will not be finished if it takes the right step. In fact, it will bounce back even stronger without Jeffrey.
The question is not whether he was previously a katak or not (although it does play a role in creating a bad perception of JGK). The question is not whether we forgive him or not. The question is his ability and his willingness to stand by the principles Pakatan Rakyat fights for. The question is also whether he is in fact popular with Sabahans..NOT PKR Sabah division chiefs. This man have not and will not do any good to Sabah PKR in the long run.
Yes, I agree it will not be democratic as this is PKR’s own business…but sometimes you have to look at it at another way..not just pure democracy. PKR must look outside the party and see what the Sabah Rakyat really wants..
Just an opinion la….hope u dun mind….
Sun Sulit
October 28, 2009
Hey guys u r all talking nonsense la!
Just tell me who is perfect? None of us! At least JK, in so far never convicted corruptions.
you know the saying, “if there is no bad officers in the army, there will be no good soldiers” and if there is no good soldiers in the army, the military will never wins the battle war.” So it is also likewise in politics.
jefferi78
October 28, 2009
it will be hard to sabahan to trust Anwar after what he did during the PBS take over and UMNO overtake in sabah state politics. i don’t think sabahan care or not who govern the state but no way we allow other people especially with racist mentality to lead no matter from BN, PR or others.
giving UMNO in to sabah is the worst decision sabahan made. we learn great deal from it. now, letting PKR in is almost the same one letting UMNO in. we still have to listen to the central committee and do the same thing when in BN. that we don’t want. it make no different compare to present situation. then, why we need PR when they just like BN.
jeffery kitingan is left over from BN and PBS. even thou he is the victim of Anwar, his situation is the same like Anwar, a typical politician that only want revenge for this backslash. we sabahan don’t need this kind of leader. Anwar and Jeffery had his chances to make different to the people when at the prime of the career but they choose not to and keep silence. today with no power, they claim to fight for the people but in fact a survival for the political career.
many politician turn leaves when they’re kick out from prime power. it is so obvious a selfish act rather than honor act. no matter anwar or jeffery, pakatan or PKR, it will not make any different to sabah because racist sentiment become stronger after UMNO came in and lead the state. we don’t have problem letting muslim be CM, last time, but because of UMNO by Anwar, we now become as racist as in the malaya.
we need not any racist leader from malaya to have a last say over decision to be made about sabah. what we need a autonomy and independent sabahan party to decide for sabah own interest no matter for good or worst. sabahan knew what best for sabahan and not the central government. we still want to be part of malaysia as it is impossible to be not and hope the central government honor his past agreement and with hold the constitution.
arianna
October 28, 2009
Dear Haris,
Christina Liew and Jeffrey are the few driving force behind PKR Sabah. It was a mistake to appoint Ahmad Thamrin and Kong Hong Ming as chief and deputy for PKR Sabah.
I can only say that its the end of PKR in Sabah with these appointment beceause both Ahmad and Kong really have no political clout let alone grassroot support.
However, PKR demise in Sabah can solely be blamed on Anwar for applying the same kind of racial and religion politics as that in semenanjung Malaysia.
And the talks among locals is that it is better for PKR to pack off now and leave the local-based parties to champion Sabah interests.
I am not surprise if Jeffrey joins Yong Teck Lee’s Sapp. If that happened, Umno/BN may find themselves in the opposition come PRU13.
And as for accusation that Jeffrey wanted to secede Sabah from Malaysia, that’s the sentiment of majority of local Sabahans. It stemmed out from the BN govt unfair treatment of Sabahans. And them wanting to colonise us politically, economically and development wise. Including the influx of illegal immigrants for the purpose of ‘neutralising’ the locals voting
power.
Should Pakatan Rakyat form the fed govt, I hope it is not Anwar as the PM. His politics irk me.
scarecrow
October 28, 2009
Can anyone name a politician whether from Sabah or the peninsular whom have not screwed Sabah left, right and centre? I am dying to know if there is one.
Scarecrow
Sabahan
October 28, 2009
Tan Sri Chong Kah Kiat came into my mind..
One of the things we Sabahans will always remember during his tenure as CM from 2001-2003 is the massing flushing out of illegal immigrants under “Ops Nyah Bersepadu”..
sing lau
October 28, 2009
Brother Haris,
May thy tribe increase in this land of ours!
We desperately need men of integrity and principle like thyself.
“See ye the speck in mine eye and not the plank in thine own?”
“You, ye and yours” are second person PLURAL.
“Thou, thee, and thine’ are second person SINGULAR.
“Seest thou the speck in mine eye and not the plank in thine own?” Apart from this ole grammo, the article is impeccable, and devastating to poor friend Hussein.
Hope to see thee in Penang in Nov.
sing lau,
Yes, do come up and say hello in Penang, please
Malaysian
October 28, 2009
“Finally all the state chiefs including Jeffery who was present unanimously agreed to leave it to the wisdom of the party President to decide who should be the new state chief.That being agreed,the party Supreme council met on the 25th.Oct to deliberate and decide the new chief who must be a Sabahan.”
Leithaisor
October 28, 2009
“Come 13th GE, we must be ready to take BN out. With or without Pakatan. Sabah and Sarawak are imperatives in the equation.”
Haris, I am 100% with you on this, except for the “without Pakatan” bit – I am not sure how the goal of getting rid of UMNO and its lapdog BN component parties can be achieved if Pakatan still exists but is not in some form of coalition with the others trying to oust UMNO/BN.
If the Opposition is split between Pakatan and other efforts, then there will be 3 (or more) cornered fights, and UMNO/BN will likely be laughing as a result.
Far better that the present Pakatan leaders come to their senses, ditch whatever wayward agendas they have and if possible, win over one or more of the BN lapdogs.
Post-March 8 2008 has seen the dark side of too many Pakatan grassroot leaders, ADUNs, MPs and leaders surfacing. Arrogance, suppressed prejudices and hidden agendas all over the place.
The latest from Anwar is sadly not really surprising; like you, I had seen him pre-March 8, 2008 as faulted in some serious areas, but still he was the key to Pakatan staying together and winning last year.
I have to accept that he is human, with both good and bad qualities. Ditto Hadi and Guan Eng.
At this crucial point, I hope the Pakatan leaders see enough sense to have the main goal – saving Malaysia from UMNO/BN – taking final precedence over the power-plays and political games. Can they rise above their ugly selves for the greater good?
And that is the bottom line – brinksmanship, posturing and dirty politics must give way to the common goal, or that goal is history.
Guess who is on the sidelines waiting to cheer a Pakatan breakup.
panca
October 28, 2009
Frankly, I dont mind if I have to travel to other country called Sabah and if another called Sarawak.
Peninsular would then be ultimately as Malaygia(baha-‘gia’) and is ruled by a new political party reforms under a two-party system voted in by The People with Rule Of Law!!!!!!!!!.
Farouq Omaro
October 28, 2009
I’m not sure about Sabah being Muslim-majority. Read the article “Sabah a Muslim Majority State?” on northborneoherald.blogspot.com
eagle
October 28, 2009
For all I care if you want to remain under doggieBN/UMNO go ahead but I will definitely vote for PAKATAN. I want Change!!!
Sun Sulit
October 31, 2009
I agree with you eagle,
come 13th GE, I’ll never look back. No matter what, I just want change!!! I’ll vote for Pakatan!
Malaysian
October 28, 2009
Remember those PR politicians are in a battlefield against opponents who are even prepared to kill (Altantuya, Teoh Beng Hock).
vishie
October 28, 2009
haris,
it is a fact that anwar orchestrated the massive party hopping exercise to bring down PBS. We must remind him of that endeavour. It inculcated a corrupt cell in the body of Sabah politics. Not only that, it pervaded itself into the body politics of Malaya and reared (pun intended)its ugly head in the failed takeover of the federal power last year. Which led to another endeavour resulting in PR’s loss in the infamous Coup of Kangsar. Anwar’s reputation is at stake as much as Jeffery’s. Respect comes from both sides. SAPP which many may consider as a small fry in Sabah politics actually declined to join Pakatan. Why? They we well fed under BN. Why then. What Yong Teck Lee said then is most pertinent and what he says now is actually a fact. They want to be partners, not slaves or subservient to Malaya. Anwar is actually of the same mould as Najib. Arrogance my friend will certainly be his downfall; right, left, centre or thru the rear (pun definitely intended). When the veins are flooded with the blood of Ketuanan, how do you overcome it? Chemotheraphy by way of the Balkans.
Thanks, regards and god blesses certainly.
Malaysian
October 28, 2009
Haris, let’s help get Paktan Rakyat, warts and all, into Federal power first, then deal with the warts later.
bayi
October 29, 2009
Much as I am a supporter of PR, and a strong one too, I must say that sometimes I think PKR is helmed by idiots with a false sense of righteousness and self-interest.
I have not forgotten how PKR let that nut Zul Nordin have a free rein after no taking appropriate action against him.
Shakuntala
October 29, 2009
Haris, you have certainly kicked up dust, with this good post of yours..how interesting!! One does get to know situations and personalities,in East Malaysia, better when persons start talking….and here you have a rather good debate.
I for one, did not know that, to a large extent,mainland Malaysi has deep regional interests which have been neglected,or heard of, so seldom, here in the West. Here it is all coming to the fore, which is healthy and democratic.
Whoever is in power and one event would naturally lead to another must pay attention to the peoples’regional pride and aspirations for their own part of the country.
And the people with their power to help bring about change, have to be conscious of the great advantage..the vote.
I now know, to a certain extent at least, how deeply the Sabahans feel about their East Malaysia and who it is they are desireing to govern them.
East Malaysians not to lose sight of their right and their intelligence, to change their governors when necessary.
It is sad that we, I mean the people in Semenanjong, know or seem to care, or take little notice of these two areas, Sabah and Sarawak, which are vital to our well-being as well.Among more important advantages, they provide West Malaysians with a vibrant and colourful culture.
What a treat it is to witness,the native dances….of Sabah and Sarawak, to get to feel the warmth of the people there.
Most of my knowledge of these two peoples, the Sabahans and Sarawakians comes from the few I meet off chance here in KL. What I know of them though, from reading and hearing references made to them, is that… they are a wonderful community of people.
And I am certainly proud to be part of the colourful mosaic that makes Malaysia so beautiful.
Let’s not allow useless politicians to spoil our great national outlook and heritage.
Good luck Sabah, from one sincere Semenanjongite.
Gomen
October 29, 2009
I’m with u, Bro.
“To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause …”
It’s not easy for some of us to stay focused with all the distractions, side-tracks and spins. Let’s not lose sight of our goal ….. our (SABM) onward march to PutraJaya.
Gomen
October 29, 2009
Bro,
Can we really look upon PR for Leadership??? Do they really sing in 1 tune??? Are they consistent in their stand???
Then is this the way forward ….
Looks like the SABM movement must take the lead, if PR cannot pull together for the long-haul and get the job done.
Time is not on our side. We do not have much time to plan and galvanize the 3rd Force into a massive Tsunami more deadly than the 308 one.
watcha
October 29, 2009
“No way in (hell) will I have Jeffrey as chief”
No like AI to say that, though it’s still possible.
Having got this far in the PR, it seems more likely it’s unAnwar like, so there might be some truths in the infighting for positions in Sabah and for KL. And if Salehudin is always by passed the jostling for position must be very intense now in PKR. Typical of UMNO stalwarts or ex-stalwarts.
With good governance going why would any dick head worry about religion, race, etc? Of course there’ll always be some problems to manage!
If Anwar is too small to be rattled by this Sabah episode, rakyat must always depend on himself!
Benny
October 29, 2009
They cant lose faith in Sabah, They need Sabah to Putrajaya.
Watcha
October 30, 2009
“….have we not gone beyond communalist, race-based and religion-orientated politics to that of meritocracy?”.…”
Nope!
For UMNO and UMNO leaning PKR members and leaders, Badrul is a shining example, we have a long way to go. How many are still in there?
H E R E is a good example in Sarawak !!!