I have to confess that most times that Arthur engages me on the global capital markets, much of what he says is Greek to me.
Still very much a kampung boy, I guess.
Not so kampung boy, though, that I cannot make out from this report in the Malaysianinsider that the attention of the whole world is turned to how Europe and the US deal with their debt crisis that is threatening to wreak havoc in national economies worldwide.
Well, the whole world except, it would seem, in Kelantan.
Maybe even the whole country.
Certainly, though, Kelantan seems oblivious to the impending financial crisis.
Nik Aziz seems determined to see hudud made the paramount law of all Kelantanese who profess Islam as their religion.
And the law applicable to any Muslim passing through the state.
Prof Aziz Bari, as reported in Malaysiakini, seems dead certain that the majority of Kelantanese are all for hudud law being implemented in the state.
Why, he says, the government is even prepared to take a referendum to the people on this issue.
What’s not clear from the report is, firstly, whether by ‘majority of Kelantanese’, Aziz also meant the non-Muslim community, and, secondly, whether the Kelantanese non-Muslim community would also partake in any state-wide referendum on the issue?
What good, though, would such a referendum serve unless those who think it unwise to de-secularise Kelantan are given the widest possible berth to share those concerns with all the Kelantanese?
Will PAS allow for this?
Aziz is quoted as saying that he had the opportunity to listen to the sentiments of the grassroots and thereby discerned their inclination towards the implementation of hudud in the state.
It would have been good if, even as he sought their views on the hudud, Aziz had also elicited from that same grassroot their thoughts and concerns about the economic development or, more accurately, the near absence thereof, in the state.
Kelantan is, after all, ranked 5th amongst all the states in terms of the incidence of poverty.
As PAS pushes to implement hudud, do they also have a plan to uplift the economic lot of the impoverished Kelantanese?
That you do not need hudud law to rejuvenate the economy is exemplified by what the Pakatan state government has achieved in Penang these last 3 years.
Aziz postulates that there is no restriction in the constitution for the introduction and implementation of Islamic law, including the hudud.
His reasoning then, seems to be that as there is no such restriction and as the majority favour it, the will of the majority be done.
Aziz must concede that there is also no prohibition in the constitution for the introduction into law of any Christian precepts.
According to Wikipedia, Sarawak has the largest population of Christians, over 43% of the population being of this faith.
26% are Muslim.
If the Christians in Sarawak could get another 10 % of the population to support them in a referendum, would Aziz go along with the state then justifiably legislating to, say, as an example, make it incumbent upon every Christian in the state to ‘take the Gospel to all, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit’?
What’s good for Kelantan must surely be just as good for Sarawak, no?
Respectfully, I think Aziz Bari’s reasoning why hudud could, without any difficulty, be implemented in Kelantan is seriously flawed and, if time permits, I would try to address these various flaws in another posting.
The principal plank in Aziz’s flawed argument, in my view, is his outright dismissal to claims that we were, at the very inception of Malaya and, continuing through to the forming of the nation we now are, intended to be secular.
In taking this position, Aziz disregards the pronouncement by a 5-man bench of the Supreme Court in the case of Che Omar Che Soh that “…it can be seen that during the British colonial period, through their system of indirect rule and establishment of secular institutions, Islamic law was rendered isolated in a narrow confinement of the law of marriage, divorce and inheritance only. In our view, it is in this sense that the framers of the Constitution understood the meaning of the word ‘Islam’ in the context of Article 3. If it had been otherwise, there would have been another provision in the Constitution which would have the effect that any law contrary to the injunction of Islam will be void. Far from making such provision, Article 162, on the other hand, purposely preserves the continuity of secular law prior to the Constitution, unless such law is contrary to the latter…we have to set aside our personal feelings because the law in this country is still what it is today, secular law, where morality not accepted by the law is not enjoying the status of law. Perhaps that argument should be addressed at other forums or at seminars and, perhaps, to politicians and Parliament. Until the law and the system is changed, we have no choice but to proceed as we are doing today.”
Aziz knows well that to this day, Che Omar has never been overruled.
Ignored, perhaps, as Aziz now does, but never overruled.
Perhaps the leadership in Kelantan, and their advisors, would do well to take heed of the words of Salleh Abas, put aside their personal feelings, and look into the more pressing economic needs of the poor in Kelantan.
Krishna Singh
September 27, 2011
RPK says that the Malays are pre-occupid with sex. I think he forget to mention that religion is another thing which occupies their time. Sex is for personal satisfaction. Religion is for politics. That is the difference.
zewt
September 27, 2011
Hi Haris — yeah, a lot of all these financial crisis mumbo jumbo will sound like greek to a lot of people. but rest assured, when the tsunami lands, no one will be spared… whether one understands it or otherwise.
DendangPerantauUSA
September 27, 2011
I have yet to read any country that claimed to be Islamic to be considered, by any measure, progressive if not downright oppressive. Can someone quote me an example of present day Islamic nation that can serve as a model for us in Malaysia in our deliberations and decision making process if we want hudud or not. Is Pakistan the one? How about Saudi Arabia, or Sudan or Iran?? All these countries claim to follow the Quran and Sunnah and what do we see? Yes, no one country is truly perfect but Islamic countries take the cake in terms of oppressing/neglecting their own people and they seem to spiral downwards whereas other non-Islamic country are marching and progressing forward. If my observation is skewed, please offer me rebuttal and corrections.
strawberrymilkshake
September 27, 2011
I would vote Libya as a model Islamic country AND direct democracy of the people BEFORE the NATO invasion. Please refer to the link below:-
http://gagnauga.is/index.php?Fl=Greinar&ID=169
It’s long but it shows how well the country had not only progressed under harsh conditions, the projects it’s leaders has undertook to improve and advance the lives of the citizens and their neighbours. We are nothing compared to what they had achieved. It’s a shame that the years of nation building is destroyed by the few greedy who sold their country and people for their own gain.
I recommend it to everyone for they have shown what humans could achieve in PEACE.
hasilox
September 27, 2011
Muslim countries used to look up to msia as a model. Were we not the most ‘secular’ among muslim majority countries then? No more now. Now, it’s turkey they look up to. Not coincidence that turkey is the most ‘secular’ one at the moment.
A million dollar question is which overwhelmed the system first? Religion or screw-ups?
Take a look at the list of countries that use religious law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_legal_systems
Which one is desirable?
Just look at that iconic religious-clown from perak, zakaria. Which religion is proud to have such leader? The big problem is religious legal system not only have no defence against such clowns, it often became a safe sanctuary to breed such clowns.
sharin
September 28, 2011
haris jews licker,rot in hell
bkho
September 28, 2011
Perhaps some of our leaders “think” like some Americans where “our country doesn’t need to care about how other countries/the rest of the world is faring”.
That mindset is beginning to haunt US in the scariest terms possible.
One fact is BN continues to outspend what our country is earning.
How many people know that our country has been experiencing deficits for how many years?
The number of years where we were in surplus can be counted using the fingers of 2 hands, out of the 54 years our beloved country has been in existence.
I have been pushing for “education of the closed minds”, where we need to practically get into the heads of every Malaysian who can think level-headedly and how we can make choices in living our lives with sustained growth.
Time to choose, Malaysia, and time to grow up from your small-boy problems.
hawkeye
September 28, 2011
Haha, yes we were talking about Greece so that’s why its Greek.
We are on track towards financial ruins and a small indication here would be the National Debt which as at today is eatimated to be well over RM450 Billion! Which is more than 55% of the GDP.
We need to borrow every month just to cover expense. Money not enough to cover expenditure lah.
Pak Yeh
September 28, 2011
I agree. Politic is Economics, and Islamic Politics is Islamic Econoics. Laws are tools used to enforce these politics/economics.
What do stupid Ulamas know about economics. Most of them did not pass their matheatics and science.
najib manaukau
September 29, 2011
Sharin,
God must have chosen the Jews to come and teach the stupid on what to do, how to run businesses and also a thousand other things in this world.
Therefore you should be the one to rot first before risking theirb limbs and lives, just to live in the millions as muslims or to immigrate and to live in the Christian world. Why is Turkey as a muslim country for years now is still fighting to be considered as part of Europe. Who is helping to develop the Arabs ?
Also why is it that no one else is fighting to immigrate to the muslim world or fighting to be recognized as part of the muslim world ? Not to mention the billions of muslims , including the Islamic governments spending trillions of their money sending their muslim students, to study in the universities set up by the Christians. Just to learn how to be civilized !
You know what will happen if they don’t get to study in the christians world ? They will stay , rot and decay as stone age people did ! Why did the grand son of the untouchable pariah from Kerala, the shenanigan Mahathir and his wife studied and above all practiced western medicine instead of Islamic medicine ?
May be you now would argue to say the shenanigan is not a Malay but only a mamak or he is just an Umno made Malay and not an Allah made Malay for a change and may be that is why he does not carry any trace of a Malay and for sure he has the features of a Pakistani !
Pak Yeh
September 29, 2011
Najib manukau said :
You know what will happen if they don’t get to study in the christians world ? They will stay , rot and decay as stone age people did !
What an idiot !
Read your history. The Christians and Jews learned science from the old Muslims.
What Christians are teaching is all falsehood. False economics and money,false agriculture using poison and chemicals, false education to enslave themselves etc,etc,etc.
The time will come when old/true Muslim education will rule the world again.
shakuntala
September 29, 2011
Dear Mr. Sharin
Are you not a hudud licker, then?
bigjoe99
October 2, 2011
My biggest problem with all the talk about Kelantanese wanting Hudud is.. WHY? Lets face it, by any yardstick Kelantan is not exactly crime capital eventhough poverty is bad. There are crimes much of them from poverty but seriously why are Kelantanese, with economic challenges more than most states, concern with criminal law in their state? Because of their religion and faith? THEN something is every wrong about the supposedly thinking people in Kelantan talking about it because they are expecting WAY TOO MUCH from their religion and faith.
The issue is not whether Kelantanese want Hudud. They issue is frankly they should be thinking about something else..