“As I said, our fight is not just about ABU. It must be about getting rid of the Umno culture, which is prevalent in the opposition as well. We accuse the government of all sorts of sins and transgressions. But the opposition does exactly what they accuse the government of doing. And in this ‘debate with Anwar’ episode, the MSM and the alternative media both sang the same tune.
So why would I want to fight to replace one devil with another, never mind that one may be a bigger devil than the other? Small devil or big devil, a devil is still a devil. And this ‘debate’ episode is just one of many episodes that show how both sides can be devils when it suits their political agenda.
This is not what I mean when I say we must fight for change. It is not a fight to replace a bigger evil with a lesser evil. It must be a fight to eradicate evil totally. If not how can we justify deposing Saddam Hussein who is not as bad as Adolf Hitler? Was not Saddam considered evil even if he was not as bad as Hitler?” – RPK, in his post, “Now you know what happened”.
I’m in complete agreement.
We Stand Together
July 4, 2012
If people end up voting BN or even not voting at all just because they think they don’t have a better alternative, then congratulations!
We have done a better job at preserving the powers and privileges of both sets of devils even better than all the racial baiting and fear mongering the current devil is using.
Without voting Barisan Nasional out of power we can continue dreaming about effecting change. With their monopoly on the corridors of power, the licenses and closed tenders, with their secrecy laws, their various backdoor channels, they can continue to infiltrate all movements and political parties to collude with one another to MANIPULATE YOU.
This is not the time to play “holier than thou”. Retail voters make it seem like they care, but they DON’T put in half the time and energy to these things the way politicians do. You are already at a disadvantage so you better make sure your vote is the right one.
Post Bersih 3.0 is the critical period. The regime is pulling out ALL the stops and activating nearly ALL their sleepers to retain any foothold they have. Malaysians had better not be chickenshit this time or I and many others will lose our patience.
FINISH OFF THE BIGGER DEVIL so we can turn on the smaller ones, or we will not be hitting them at the source of their power, we would just be fighting over a thousand scandals that can be manufactured each day just to keep you busy but no closer.
the mythbuster
July 7, 2012
Right on! The bigger devil or rather the biggest devil in power must be removed first before we even think of the smaller devils. When the biggest devil and its mentor are no more to manipulate and obfuscate further the murky corrupted scenario in the country, we can turn on the lesser devils and all the Little Napoleons. First let us bring about the CHANGE through ABU.
Ali Karim
July 4, 2012
Lets discuss about the bridge when we get to the river. The focus now is to kick the hell out UMNO/BN from the Government.
Btw., “Saddam considered evil” …says who? George Bush, United States, Tony Blair, CNBC, CNN or you have actually been there?
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
July 4, 2012
Haris,
PR is on notice that the rakyat WILL NOT TOLERATE a return to the bad old days of cronyism and corruption.
We, the rakyat, now know that we can make or break a Government at the ballot box and PR will be judged on it’s merits just like BN for it’s lack of.
We, the rakyat, believe that we have exemplary leaders like yourself and Datuk Ambiga, to name but just two, who will “keep the bastards honest” to borrow a phrase from the late Don Chipp, founder of the Australian Democrats.
sampalee
July 4, 2012
I have nothing to do with bn since ,I knew of their corrupt way.As for the parties now collectively known as PR,I criss cross the country giving my little support.I an fully aware of the tremendous amount of work put in by civil societies helm by you.I did not contribute much as I am not that capable,but I was around to pass on the biscuits or just keep company.
Your speeches have convinced many to vote oppositions and in a way you are to some extent responsible when PR do not honour the people’s declaration.I was gullible at that time that this will be foundation for our own bill of right like that of our colonial master.
On hind side we lied to the public as we are too naive to trust the sincerity of politicians.
I learn not to trust bn ,now i equally lean not to trust pr
Talking about Tun M,wait till we have AI,then we will truly understand what suffering is.
We Stand Together
July 4, 2012
Politicians are never to be trusted. The rakyat must up their game and get more involved, not just once every four years, or else it’s the toss of a coin if a good number of them just decide to go to Genting instead.
Soon
July 4, 2012
Beautifully said, Haris. Remove the evil, not replace with a lesser evil. Otherwise it’s just a game of musical chairs.
mi55
July 4, 2012
RPK to me has lost his right to advice us on what’s right. I used to queue up to put money in the bank for him. He is a BIG disappointment. Wish he reads this.
piqued
July 4, 2012
Ahhh . . . what exactly are you in complete agreement with?
The justification for deposing Saddam who is not as bad as Hitler? The choice in Iraq was not between Saddam and Hitler was it?
You can’t eradicate evil in one fell swoop. It is plain naive to think so.
We’ll make do with the lesser evil. In every future election. Until one day the evil becomes negligible.
It’s also naive to believe that you can eradicate evil completely.
Richard Loh
July 4, 2012
Talking cock again. Okay lets agree to #%*+ everyone including Anwar whom are dirty, corrupt and impotent leaders. Tell me or provide a list of your candidates you think are pure that can take over as government. You really think that by what you are saying you can get a new government that is like an angel?
As I get to see ABU is now nothing short of just shouting and screaming in the end umno will be in power for another 50 years,
Haris bro, your allegiance is now not to the rakyat but in consistence with RPK to ensure umno remains in power. You are CHANGED and forget about ABU.
Thanks
Richard Loh
We Stand Together
July 4, 2012
So quick to judge? Let’s wait until we have all the information.
lizziewong
July 4, 2012
In the long term, we do not tolerate evil. In the short term, do we then say, if PR is not pure as snow, we reject them? Then we keep UMNO? RPK has no credibility. His aim is to cut the support for PR. I know PR is not perfect, but it is up to us rakyat to put them in their place. First, we got to kick UMNO out. I am disappointed with the way ABU is going if all you want is to put PR in if they are perfect. All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God…
We Stand Together
July 4, 2012
If the objective is to put the bad apples in their place, we still can’t make the equivalency argument because it is fallacious and misdirecting. The sins and virtues of an individual are quite separate from those that the organisation promotes.
If the objective is to clean up the political process, then unfortunately only a strong, robust and determined civil society can do this. Meaning a civil society that can compete effectively against the machinery of the political parties and the bad apples, has more sway and credibility with the grassroots, and that also has a proper well thought out strategy.
Otherwise, if all we can do is to turn this way and that to influence the swing votes, then I’m afraid the two devils will be playing “ping pong” with us.
bigjoe
July 5, 2012
Actually RPK is wrong. Lee Kuan Yew said it best when he was asked to explain siding with the communist in his early years – In politics, one has to be practical..
Perhaps its best explain with chinese classic. We all know Anwar is no Liu Bei and Azmin is no Zhu Ge Liang. Cao Cao is villified in the story BUT HISTORICALLY CAO CAO is credited with setting the foundation which ultimately result in the unification of China. Liu Bei in fact is deemed a failure ultimately.
Yes, ultimately the fight must continue to rid of UMNO culture. BUT the fool is the one who think he deserve it ALL and NOW.
Lluuung
July 5, 2012
AGREE !!!
Bill
July 5, 2012
I wonder why people are taking RPK seriously It’s obvious from his postings he is out to destroy anwar &PKR Maybe he’s been paid Maybe out of vengeance for slights committed by anwar towards him In the past He is no different from people like Ezam Zul Nordin nalla zahrain and the other wole bunch of kataks
Jarmen Kell
July 5, 2012
So are you out to destroy RPK? Maybe you’ve been paid? Maybe out of vengeance for the articles written by him which criticizes opposition? Anwar is the former deputy president of UMNO. Who jumped to PKR?
HuaYong
July 6, 2012
anwar were expelled, no?
Adam
July 5, 2012
How are we going to kick out BN if we also reject PR which is also considered bad though, to a lesser extent? Between a leaking roof and a house without a roof, which would you choose?
There is actually no choice but to put PR in first and then clean up the big mess. BN could also help to monitor the situation efficiently as they know of all the crooked ways to be corrupt.
So, ABU is the only way.
loki
July 5, 2012
Haris, Haris, Haris, why art thou still beholden to that Drama Queen — once lionised but now besmirched — whose ranting and raving, whose peculiarly personalised take on Malaysian politics is but a shout in the wilderness. Many think he has sold out, and I think the facts speak for themselves.
Quit selling this idea that to replace the current regime, you need a set of angels, chubby and bewinged, to occupy Putrajaya; that indeed we need to eradicate Evil itself! Haha, good luck with that. God and the Devil have been at it for yonks, if the religious texts are to be believed. Do you see evil any weaker for it? It is merely human nature, which we humans can regulate, if we can only agree and unite.
For god’s sake Haris, don’t be a blustering and naive fool. There is much to admire about your struggle but your insistence on a perfect replacement for BN is but a trojan horse manouevre. I’m sorry if you can’t see that but we would only be sabotaging ourselves.
First, you need to get rid of the present set devils. We’ll deal with the new lesser devils after that, thank you very much.
Jarmen Kell
July 5, 2012
When the lesser evil turns into bigger evil, then whom you will turn to?
HuaYong
July 6, 2012
turn back to a lesser one. ouch, such simple concept u cant figure out? but no surprise since u naming urself a comical handle.
the mythbuster
July 7, 2012
Why in the first instance let the lesser evil turn into a bigger one? Before the PKR leader, or whoever becomes the PM and corrupts all and becomes another dictator like the evil mamak Mahathir Mohamad Kutty, dirty UMNO leaders as the opposition would not let it happen. They know all the dirty tricks of the trade and would watch like hawks and would not want another to take over their trademark of corruption, racism, cronyism, arrogance, rent seeking and religious bigotry just to name a few.
If the mighty and powerful UMNO/BN can be thrown into the gutters where they belong, what is Pakatan Rakyat? They may not see a second term if they too follow the ways of the UMNO/BN bastards.
wandererAUS
July 5, 2012
Why are we still wasting our time with that discredited “Little rajah”…do we still need to put up with his shit?
“Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can’t help them, at least don’t hurt them”…..Dalai Lama
…….the late Don Chipp, founder of the Australian Democrats, he and his democrats have since vanished into the thin air, no longer play any role in the Australian politics….the “bastards” are stillalive and just as active!
Jarmen Kell
July 5, 2012
Why you are still wasting your time to comment about him?
HuaYong
July 6, 2012
hmmm…this i can agree.
sampalee
July 5, 2012
Some of the readers are really confused about God.One even mentioned that God is helpless against evil and in the same breath seek you to change your stand for GOD’s sake.This guy is sick.In the world of duality,one can say go for the lesser evil or go for the devil you know than the one we have yet to know.In the end it is God’s will that prevail.You can be angry when God do not grant you your wish and he do not judge your foolishness.
Malaysian
July 5, 2012
I’m getting quite exasperated with some Pakatan supporters who are quick to jump to conclusion when someone doesn’t have the same opinion as them, or agree with someone whom they perceived to be on the other side? Why do we , all anti-BN, have to have the same opinion on every subjects? I bet RPK is chiding Haris now “I told you so (that you will be considered a turncoat) with those die-hard Pakatan supporters”. I don’t think both have become turncoat. By at the rate some of us belittle them, we only turn them away to the other side. We, anti-BN, cannot afford to have more enemies! I only wish RPK would not bring up race and religion issues so often, it will incite racists and religious bigots to comment with their pea brain or with the purpose to whip up race/religion bashing to drive fence-sitters over to BN!
Yes, I want badly to kick out BN but I’m not a blind either to Pakatan weakness. But nevertheless, my vote will still go to Pakatan. Will that make-me a die-hard supporter, a hypocrite? I know, cynics will comment that corruption is corruption no matter how little is the amount! But do we have a better alternative other than PK to kick out BN at this coming GE? At the rate that BN runs our country, we will end up like Greece! At the rate those right-wings parties/NGO (if only they know the term NGO!) playing the race and religion issues to the hilt, hell will broke loose.
So, before BN drives our country over the cliff, in our desperation, some (would I dare to use the word ‘many’?) of us are willing to accept Pakatan with its weakness. If anyone out there can suggest alternative parties to vote for this coming GE, I’m all ears and eyes! Hindraf and Kita have had a good start but they have lost their clout. STAR? Heard that their alliance is in question!
Ideally, we should vote for the calibre of the candidate but how many BN MPs are in that category? If they exist, they are unknown or unheard of. Perhaps those cynics can come up with a list of good MPs from all parties so that we can vote with our head instead of our heart (out of desperation to kick out BN) comes this GE, instead of chiding us for only wanting to vote for Pakatan despite its weakness?
Malaysian
July 5, 2012
And before some smart-alex claims “With friends like …., who needs enemies” , I have to honestly say that, even, I, all out for Pakatan, am exasperated with some die-hard Pakatan supporters’ race/religion bashing (I wish I could say they are all cybertroopers)! So, imagine those fence-sitters; such comments will definitely drive them over to BN! Sometimes, I can’t blame RPK for bashing these racists cos we don’t want UMNO culture in Pakatan.
I’m becoming frustrated with Malaysian politics! Sometimes I feel like giving it up and mind my own business. Afterall, I’m living abroad. But I know that I can’t ignore the plights of my fellow Malaysians back home. That’s why I have intention to fly home to vote. But will my vote comes to nought with all those “fightings” amongst anti-BN supporters and anti-BN parties?
Can we all get our act together and face united against our common enemy?
Jarmen Kell
July 5, 2012
At least, some sane voice is heard🙂
HuaYong
July 6, 2012
i think you mean naive voice.
HuaYong
July 5, 2012
“What a bunch of hypocrites Pakatan Rakyat supporters are.”
Haris, your bro wrote the above, but what we call one that censor and not publish comments that want to rebut his view? Is that not hypocritical, or no courage to debate with his reader? His thought process is no differnt with one he accused, but at least i know Anwar is a politician, while your bro only way out is telling us he can do whatever he like, that is his blog.
olivia cheng
July 6, 2012
me think seriously that haris should form a third party i will vote him anytime , i dislike anwar..i like his daughter though, neither can i stand azmin…he reeks…pkr needs internal cleansing, they need to detox..
basically, i would rather vote the opposition than bn/ umno..better take my chances wt the little sic.* options that are left..enough wt umno and bn,..they blatantly steal even during daylights. chances are at least the oppo are more tactful and not as arrogant as the now reigning gov. when they come into power.
in the end, i am hoping for structure and economy progress for my country…as long as the gov are looking into this,..i think malaysians will be in good hands..and the bn is TOO corrupt to form any structural reforms.
HuaYong
July 7, 2012
a third party would appear when the time is right, now we dont even have a visible bi party system yet, dont we think should be one step a time? anwar and azmin is no saint, they are politician, urban dictionary define politician as one who was perfected the art of lying, but at least they are more consistent in the last 15 years than a so called intellectual like chandra, and that whatever suit him blogger raja petra. we improve the system, we learn to practice democracy, and we slowly filter out the bad idividual, we must get the priority right, dont listen to argument like eradicate evil totally, that is pretty dumb, britain is now a dumb countries for the dumb, the only skill left to british is to teach us asian english, so what intelligence we could expect from one that reside in britain?
We Stand Together
July 10, 2012
A third force in a flawed first past the post system like in Malaysia only means that the votes will be split to give the incumbents a further advantage. Especially when the incumbent may use government funds and privileges to support his own campaign.
As far as I know – and I hope that I am reading it correctly – ABU is not about conscientous objection. I will never be satisfied with just that. The stakes are too dear and the price of failure too high. Meaning I expect that there is a strategy behind all this as well as clear goals to be achieved. I am intent on those goals.
Just a final jab at RPK. Haris can decide if RPK’s recent focuses, omissions and allegations helps the grand strategy or sabotages it, with nothing but long-winded misdirections and plays of innocence offered up as excuses for such behavior.
sampalee
July 7, 2012
You make the bed you sleep on it.If you think the new virus is less fatal,go for it.At the same time let those who feel there is treatment for the old virus have their way.The biggest mistake is trying to play god and then claiming there is no God when things do not turn up in their favour.Lord Buddha said this.Events happens,things are done,but there is NO doer thereof.In short it is just Inshaallah.Period.Get use to it as it is the eternal law of nature
bigjoe
July 7, 2012
Sir, have you checked RPK’s site? Its traffic has steadily fallen to less than half of what it was only a couple of years ago. He is on the losing side…