Got an email urging me to ban Ellese commenting here.
Frankly, I’d rather not.
I mean, yes, we all know he / she / it’s probably a paid trooper detailed to distract us from the real issues calling for our consideration.
But his / her / its “INSENSICAL” was absolutely priceless!
So I think let him /her / it stay, but maybe the way to deal with him / her / it is to just ignore any comment if its his / her / its usual crap.
If he /she / it comes up with another gem much like “INSENSICAL”, we could always acknowledge our gratitude for this comic relief from the madness that grips the nation.
Meanwhile, Ellese, take this cue from me, please.
I’m tired of having to read through to moderate your lengthy comments.
Keep them short ( and I mean short ) and relevant to the post under comment.
If you can’t adhere to this, carry your comment in your own blog.
The People's Parliament 
JAmY
January 2, 2013
Good morning, Haris. We find enough comic relief to guffaw over the mindless antics of our BN clowns…and so we could do without Ellese adding his/her/it’s share to your blog which caters for more mature thoughts and discussion.
More importantly, we don’t want to imagine you having to spend time to moderate her “INSENSICAL” stuff…don’t spend your energy there. You are too precious to civil society…to us. My vote:BAN!!
Ellese
January 2, 2013
Thank you.
I’ll reply in brief.
1) I’m not a paid cybertrroopers. Bn or Umno dont know me. I write my own views. Anyone accusing me as a paid cybertrooper with intent to lower my estimation is lying.
2) singa previous article on civil servant contains several misleading statements. The comment you censored showed the percentage is not supportable and wrong. I’ve been highlighted that ILO did a proper comparison and we have much lower percentage than developed countries like Germany France uk. There’s a reference in my blog.
3) my contention is that singa wrote to mislead. This to me cannot be tolerated. We cannot allow falsehood to form a perception of truth.
4) in civil liberties, if you disagree you rebut. You don’t ban or censor for simply for having contrarian views. In my case I’m pointing out a false and misleading article. It thus therefore is relevant. I welcome those who challenge my basis of contention.
Wave33
January 2, 2013
Itulah Ellese, sudah nasib badan awak. Belum insaf lagi.
Most of us would like take on you intelligently. But if you continue to reply base on personal attack or they say hitting below the belly, then you get the kind reprisal that you deserve.
Debate on the issue if you can. The problem is, you cannot hold your fork tongue, you have to name us before commenting, like rubbish, idiot, stupid, partisan mind set, liar etc etc. Hmm… strange that sound similar to you, Ellese.
Behave lah… Okay, Ellese?
Ellese
January 2, 2013
Wave,
Long time no see. You know me. I’m not dazed by this. Been there already. Truth will always prevail.
You know I can write many ways. When people write contemptuously and with disdain, I’ll reply the same. It’s been like this. And most of the writing are on this manner so I gave back the same.
The only difference is I provide basis and support which you know many have been unable to rebut and accept. Just like the civil service article by singa. It’s downright misleading and leads to insensical useless conclusion. And you know I’ll write without fear and direct in the face. I know you don’t like it. But I stand firm with what I firmly believe as the truth.
S. Menon
January 2, 2013
I, too, feel that banning “it” would be counter to the norms of free dialogue. This pestilential creature, despite “its” additions to the English dictionary, malapropisms and claims of being the product of a top university etc., etc., etc., should be permitted the floor and, with luck, try not to bore us stiff with the interminal and senseless monologues “it” currently inflicts on us.
Pravas
January 2, 2013
These pests are part of the political ecosystem and play a significant role in moving the undecided to towards ABU. The represent the broken regime accurately …with their demonstrably poor mastery of both language and logic, their tendency to be unintentionally ridiculous and their proclivity to rant uncontrollably .
wandererAUS
January 2, 2013
Banning this UMNO creep Ellese will not be the solution rather be seen as a cowardice act to shut him up!…although, we can anticipate the mindset of a deranged low being. I wlll stick by my belief and the basis principle in Democracy. “I may not agree to what you are saying but, I will defend your right till death, for saying it”
KTWong87
January 2, 2013
Yes it must be tearing-your-hair-out tiresome to moderate the blatantly propaganda rubbish “Ellese” keep churning out.
But I’d urge you to continue to allow her comments through, editing out any wayout stuff if at all necessary (tagging on a note to that effect).
Reason?
I think there is nothing more condemning than proof from the mouths of the Devils we know, or from the keyboards of their New Media cybertroopers.
How much more proof positive is there than when Najib opens his mouth and spews something like “Best Democracy” or “Janji DiTepati” or that lenghty “You help me, I help you” speech in Sibu?
No one put those words in his mouth; he said it himself, and often in front of a large audience. Cannot try to wriggle out with “they misquoted me” or “they lied”.
So too “Ellese” and her repeated churning out of propaganda. Shows just what BN supporters (I’m being kind there) or more likely, “paid mercenaries”, try to do to please their masters.
As an extreme example, just go have a look at DATUK (do excuse my use of CAPS for emphasis) Rocky and his mega-bodek “Malaysian of the Year 2012” available at http://www.rockybru.com.my/2013/01/malaysian-of-year-2012.html .
Do be warned to do so on an empty stomach, or have a supersized puke bukcet by your side. If you really, really want to test the limits of how much insult your sanity can take, go on to read some of the comments.
So, again I say – Do continue to allow comments from “Ellese”. Give her and her ilk rope to hang themselves.
bigjoe99
January 2, 2013
If you don’t have an UMNO/BN cybertrooper in your blog, you are not respectable at all! Like it or not, being a victim of UMNO/BN malice is a badge of honor, a feather in the cap – especially so for a revolutionaire..Did Che Guevera or Fidel Castro complain about being hunted down or target of assasination? No, they turn it with their audience against the attackers..
When you have them paying expensive hackers to mount a massive cyber attack on you. Then, its time to worry as the cost of defense then should worry – for your supporters..
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 2, 2013
Haris,
Not that it really matters, Ellese is a male using a female name. He answered that question obliquely in a response to a poster in his blog.
In comparing Ellese’s first few comments on your blog to the current comments received, I suspect Ellese is now made up of multiple persons using the same nick as the quality of Ellese’s commentary has deteriorated considerably.
I agree with JAmY in that I feel you have better things to do than to moderate Ellese’s lenghty comments. To my mind, only two or three of Ellese’s comments have ever added anything to the dialogue we have been having here to improve the well-being and welfare of the rakyat of Malaysia.
At the risk of being accused of posting a long and rambling comment myself, I conclude with the following.
Ban or edit the long rambling commentaries. After all, we already know the stance, Ellese will be taking.
Shorter commentaries by Ellese are at your discretion – with or without editing.
P.S. To Ellese, I wish I could tell you how much I will miss crossing swords with you but I can’t 🙂 Heheheheh 🙂
P.S.S More power to you, Haris Ibrahim.
Voter Wan Abdullah
January 2, 2013
I say NO ban…afterall we are fighting for Freedom of speech & also the Freedom after the speech, ain’t we ? ….with exception thou i.e those inciting race & religion disharmonies coz in my view politic & religion shld NOT mix. Let Ellese speaks her mind/peace & we can either rebut or ignore her.
Ellese
January 2, 2013
Why do you censor my comments though it’s not lengthy. I have the right to respond to comments which besmirched me. You must allow me to respond in fairness.
Siebel
January 3, 2013
Ellese,
I cringe when i read your writing…..there is no such word as “insensical” in the English dictionary. Did you find it in the BN/UMNO dictionary?
You sound like a mule referenced in Zorro’s latest write-up
Voter Wan Abdullah
January 2, 2013
Ellese….KISS ..just in case u dun know d acroym ..it is Keep It Short & Sweet. In ur case it prob meant Keep It Short,Slut. Yup I can be very nasty & horrible towards BN.
Vpb
January 2, 2013
Pls no ban! that would be insensical…:) to Ellese ?..KISS….not the wet tongue infested version….keep it short stupid!
shakuntala
January 2, 2013
It’s good to have clowns, gals and guys……they take away any seriousness and tickle you to laugh, till you turn INSENSICAL…like in the old days, the stupid kings had court jestors who gave them another point of view……and were tolerated for fun.
We can do two things…learn the art of ranting (right Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia?) from him/her of course.
Or…….guess what…….treat him/her in a right noble fashion…..maintain a kind silence like the Administration!!!…when he rants!
I feel sorry for him/her….Madam Ellese….he/herwants to mate up with us, so please Haris and all , let’s just be…..kind and allow him space, which I think he/she has tried with other bloggers and probably got booted out…….that’s why he warns us about his ‘renowned’ reputation.
Watch out guys and gals, we are accused of intently lowering his estimation….he/she means worth???
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 3, 2013
shakuntala,
“…learn the art of ranting (right Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia?) from him/her of course…”
Ranting is, indeed, an artform 🙂 Ellese does not seem to be the type of person who appreciates art 🙂
Bobby
January 2, 2013
No need to ban lah.
Checked out their “blog”.
Quite nonsensical lah.
You know, these idiots like to open their mouths and remove all doubt that their morons.
Through their keyboards, I mean.
suzy
January 2, 2013
Oh Yes ! Allow it to puke ,no problem with it.
I believe it ‘s a ‘paid by comment’ leech.
Ellese
January 2, 2013
I accord due respect to those who firmly believe in freedom of expression despite instigation by others to exercise censorship.
Since the above contains inaccurate false information and besmirched me, I will exercise the right to reply in brief as required by haris.
1) my handle is unique. It has a meaning. I’m the only one using it.
2) in commenting, gender is and never was immaterial. In any event I’ve never proclaimed I’m a woman.
3) I’m not a paid cybertrooper. I don’t get a sen and no one in bn or Umno knows me.
4) my censored comments gave stats to show the falsehood by singa. If you disagree you must rebut like I did with singa. Censorship and banning reflects the poor stand of the person on freedom of expression and ability to rebut.
5) the arguments put forth by the above commentators have been countered many times and are really ‘funny’ comments. The following are recycled arguments put forth again and again.
1) an opinion in line with whom I support is always right no matter it’s false or a lie and it is not a propaganda. Any contrarion opinion will always be a propaganda notwithstanding its the truth.
2) freedom of expression and free media means a media which publishes views in line with my thinking and bans or censors contrarion views.
3) a person you agree with is not a paid cybertrooper notwithstanding the fact you know he’s been funded to write about your agenda. A person who holds a contrarion view will always be a paid cybertrooper even though not a single sen is paid.
4) right or wrong will depend on who you support. A similar act has different value depending on who you support.
Funny kan?
As written many times, I defend my name/handle. I will not be cowed to speak the truth despite the threat to ban or censor me or the ad hominem attack on me.
Wave33
January 2, 2013
Ad hominem? Sudahlah… You are the EXPERT on it. I have repeated many times not to use it and you still continue doing it. Bad habits hard to break.
Cowardly, a tactical move to avoid tackling directly on the issue. That is your trademark, ad hominem.
Please Ellese, no nid intro intro like a loyar burok, opss.. sorry, you are already one. Object objectively, you are most welcome.
Salam.
Ellese
January 3, 2013
Here we go again same tactic wave. Weve gone through this many times before. Look at my censored write. I put a basis that the article is flawed misleading false and leads to a malicious illogical insensical conclusion. When one writes like that its more than fair to conclude that the person spread lies together with those who publish it. I write with the same disdain singa wrote. As usual I will ask again for you to justify. You will not touch the merits and then we start accusing each other. Go back to what I wrote. The article spread lies and falsehood. It’s more than fair for me to remark on the author.
Ps: wasn’t our last debate where I pointed your double standard on applying ad hominem. Are you or are you not against ad hominem?
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 3, 2013
Ellese,
Do you frequent pro-BN blogs?
shakuntala
January 2, 2013
Can’t understand why he/she takes so much trouble over his/her stand and how he/she wants to be treated….this is attention seeking and he/she becomes a bore in the end.
Suggest accept him and leave him alone, he is fond of wasting time, suffers a personality crisis. He is on an ego trip.
ABU and our response to issues facing the country and there are many, is more important.
JAmY
January 2, 2013
Check out how many comments posted on this Ellese issue? Aren’t we wasting time on him/her/it?…..including me??? Sigh!!
No, you are all guiding me. Thank you, all
Ellese is Funny
January 2, 2013
How come a pro UMNO/BN writer can become freedom fighter.
I cannot stop laughing ………………..
Moreover,
This fellow come to ABU to promote freedom of expression.
Either Ellese is naive or I have to go to the doctor tomorrow.
Beware of heart attack.
Ellese is Funny
January 2, 2013
How come a pro UMNO/BN writer become freedom fighter.
I cannot stop laughing ………………….. keep Ellese on your blog.
Beware of heart attack.
Moreover
This fellow come to ABU to promote freedom of expression.
Either Ellese is naive or I have to go to the doctor tomorrow.
Ellese so far you are alone.
Ellese
January 3, 2013
Dear shakuntala n jamy,
If you’re bored or think its a waste of time, please follow haris. You don’t have to read my comment. I’m more than ok. but I will still exercise my write to tell what I see as the truth for all to see in particular to counter baseless spiteful propaganda. I will still write to protect my name though.
I support Ellese
January 3, 2013
I salute you Ellese , you take great courage to enter enemy’s territory to exercise you write to tell what you see as the truth.
Ellese why not put your photo on your blog like haris do here.
By this way,people will get to know you,this could greatly enhanced your image.Your readership on you blog will be greatly
increased and your truth will probably reached every Malaysian.
Continue your good work.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 3, 2013
Ellese,
Yes, it is the truth according to you.
One of my problems with you is that your writing style is extremely condescending and naggy.
Despite your calls to others to do the right thing, you seem to be quite happy insulting the hospitality of Haris’s blog with your condescending “holier than thou” persona. This irritates me. Damn!! I forgot – you don’t care about how others feel, right? It’s all about you, isn’t it?
Ellese
January 4, 2013
AABB
This truth is objective. Please read article by monyet king. The reference is in my blog hakbersuara. You do a bit of Maths and you know singa is wrong and misleads. Go calculate rather than attacking me. Till date my rebut to singa is censored by haris. Why must the truth be suppressed? If I’m wrong then challenge me.
Taipan
January 3, 2013
The freedom to comment in this blog should not be mistaken as a right, It is a privilege! But I wouldn’t want to go so far as to say banning this no-brainer trooper is a right or wrong move. Ultimately, it is a decision of the blog owner. If Haris feels he has the time to spare moderating on what I would call cyber garbage that is, to put it appropriately, more fitted to fill the Recycle Bin or Tong Sampah, then it is his right to do so.
I am all for the freedom of speech and expression but not when you have this mistaken belief that you can use this freedom accorded to you as a leverage to inflict harm and injury upon someone’s character which, in this case, the authors in particular. This is a total violation of proper decorum. You can only agree to disagree.
In conclusion, sHe, it, and all that priceless “INSENSICAL” crap are nothing more than spins and repair jobs. It’s all about trying to instil a forced opinion that is considered absolute while condemning others of theirs. Strangely, sHe, it has no issues with anything that is wrong with the country. And I am to understand the meaning of the word “partisan” here. What rubbish!
Nothing is more horrifying than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Allen
January 3, 2013
Bro. Haris
I vote ‘ No Ban ‘ . After all we the ABUs supports freedom of expression. Painful as it is reading his/her/its comments, we should let him/her/it rant because I don’t think many people can understand what he/she/it is writing about due to his/her/its poor command of the english language and the illogical reasonings, if you can call it reasoning. His/her/its ” INSENSICAL ”
postings reminds me of Shen Yee Aun who used to have his articles appearing regularly on Malaysia Today. Wonder if they come from the same school.
wandererAUS
January 3, 2013
It takes all sorts to make this troubled world. We have to learn to dance with the devils…we know!
Everyone is trying to make out this bloke Ellese on his/her sex, who gives a shit!….if it is going to make you all happier, why not just accept this “imposter” a pondan in disguise?…enjoy being screwed!
thor
January 3, 2013
alah, tak payah ban lah, best to just ignore the cretin. biak pi kat dia, macam invisible man jadinya. quite pointless to respond to him, no?
abdullah37
January 3, 2013
No need to ban that creature. Any person who has sufficient gray matter would know that it had been planted here to irritate us with his nonsensical/weird and warped thoughts. Anyway, it is good for him to remind us the hallmark of a BN supporter. Unless it gets personal and abusive, let it continue with it’s craps which we are not oblighed to read anyway. I won’t waste half a minute of my time on that scumbug.
Ellese
January 3, 2013
What a load of crap. Since when gender is material? And then calling me pondan shit Idiots moron etc. kepala otak korang. bloody fools. You censor my comments and then purely attack me personally.
Use your brain sikit boleh tak. The singa article contains misleading false information. I call it a lie. Why suppress the truth? Tell me lah the civil service number in Singapore? Them tell me the number of Singaporean population. Go google lah. Then see singa lies through its teeth. It’s not my truth lah. You find and calculate. I’ll show you the basis of my numbers.
These are typical stupid goons. Censor my comments. And then not knowing the issue, condemn me. Go to the issue lah. Think will you. Don’t be a stupid follower. Rebut and give me your numbers lah.
Wave33
January 4, 2013
Ellese,
Still have the ferocity and aggressiveness in you, have not lost it. As long as, you do not do an ad hominem on the host or any commentators and rebut on the issue is fine with me.
Well, pondan (some call cross dresser) can comment on LGBT too, right?
Even Shahrizat can comment on corruption in Malaysia, right?
Ellese, you did hold a little on your fork tongue, after some advice. A little less would be appreciated.
Salam.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 4, 2013
Troll-Ellese,
You know nuts about the truth.
Your type of truth is simply using small slices of the truth where it suits you. Your puppet-master doesn’t like it when the rakyat uses the same tactic, eh? 🙂
I can’t be bothered reading your blog for the simple reason that I am not about to let you score another “hit” on your click counter.
You demand free of expression for yourself and yet you belittle others who express themselves – look at your comments about the Mat ABUs.
You are an attention seeker who takes the high moral ground whilst hypocritically abusing the hospitality of Haris Ibrahim on his blog.
You are not here to help the rakyat, you are here to hinder and to destroy.
You are a troll.
Ellese
January 7, 2013
It’s a pity for an intelligent person like you unable to dicphet simple objective truth. Your failure to read what was censored shows you are not even handed. Then resorting to name calling reflects your badly on you.
I’m beginning to doubt your sincerity. I have not set my guns ablaze against you coz I still think you’re still honest. Go read a bit on comparing civil service number from credible sources ie don’t read propagandist dap publication on this out there (published in FMT). Dont have to read my blog. Then tell me what constitute our 1.3 million and what constitute civil servants in uk and Singapore. Truth will always prevail. In this case you do your own investigation. Haris knows this I believe and to my mind that’s why he’s suppressing the truth.
wandererAUS
January 4, 2013
We have a thorn among the roses…hahaha. What a beautiful day!
Malaysian overseas
January 5, 2013
Ellese
Comparing to UK??
With 1.3 million civil servants to a population of 28 million, Malaysia has one of the highest civil servants-to-population ratio in the world by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development standards.
UK with 444,000 civil servants to a population of 63 million.
http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/about/facts/statistics
Malaysia 4.6%
UK 0.7%
Who is trying to spin on UMNO behalf and provide misleading misstatement !!!!!
Ellese
January 7, 2013
You are kidding me right. Haris censored my reply which says its not apple to apple comparison. Go google on teachers in uk. The number of nursery/primary teachers in 2010 employed by local and government are 200k. Then for secondary another 200k. Tak kan all the government plus armies total to 44k. Our numbers include teachers and police force. So don’t be conned and then worse spread lies. Next time don’t censor the truth.
Farida
January 6, 2013
Ellese, L(ell) S (ese), turn around and it’s SL, whatever…. Sometimes his English has very few errors, sometimes it has many. Sometimes some phrases crop up that have such a familiar ring…. My conclusion : a ploy to make us think there are multiple people writing under that pseudonym. There’s only one – trying to deceive, to distract, to divide.
If you ban him, Haris, he’ll just come back in another form.
Taipan
January 6, 2013
Farida ~ The word ‘SL’ does have a familiar tone…..one that has been played over and over again but with a different mask in different stage. You can’t say civilization don’t advance… in every war they kill you in a new way. Well taken, my dear!
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
January 6, 2013
Farida,
Ellese, the little troll, is in fact back under a new nick, “forrrestcat”.
He has correctly identified himself as having taken on a new nick per the unwritten rules of Usenet etiquette, which I happen to subscribe to.
Usenet etiquette requires that I address the new nick, but strictly speaking, we are not on Usenet here. Based on this technicality, I am still debating with myself as to whether or not to honour Usenet etiquette. 🙂
Ellese
January 7, 2013
Farida et all,
For every misstatement on me, i will defend my honour. I state uncategorically that I am the only person using this handle. Anything saying otherwise is a lie.