By Singa Terhormat
Photoshot from a footnote to the Book of Ezra in the Aramaic bible.
See also:
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Allah in the bible
Posted on October 21, 2013
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annabrella
October 22, 2013
This illuminating article will help bust some more of the darkness of ignorance and the consequent blindness.
Intuition is a good guide when you are in the dark about something.
Just parroting on about something or learning that somehing by rote often prevents you from looking hard at that something and seeing it from scratch so you can understand what it really is.
The Muslims in Malaysia can’t compare and contrast the vast pool of knowledge in all the Holy books out there because they are denied acess to that intellectual potential and freedom in Malaysia because UMNO wants to keep it that way for their political expediency and self-preservation.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 22, 2013
annabrella,
“…UMNO wants to keep it that way for their political expediency and self-preservation. …”
It’s called “growing mushrooms” – keep ’em in the dark and feed ’em bullsh*t 🙂
annabrella
October 25, 2013
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia:
Spot on! But one question nags – would those mushrooms be Shitake ones by any chance?
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Pak Yeh
October 22, 2013
Is this Aramaic Old Testament Bible or the Gospels.???
Its the Aramaic Old Testament, right.???
But the Old Testament original is in Hebrew and was translated to so called original in Greek and Latin.!!! I suppose the Arab Bible was translated from Greek or Latin.???
So it still is a mistranslation.!!! You should not change the name of your god.!!!
However in good faith, I allow use of Allah for Old Testament Bible which is a One God revealation/word of God and it does not change the One God to a trinity. Unless the Grek and Latin originals have been doctored.!!!
But to translate Allah in Greek non revelation / word of man Priests is still kufur/falsehood.!!!
Did they mistranslated a noun “god” for a Pronoun “Allah”.???
If they did, it still is a kufur/falsehood.!!!
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
“…You should not change the name of your god…”
Is that your opinion or did you have direct communication from any particular “god”?
Is it true that the Quran has more than one name for “Allah”?
I do agree with you that “”…priests is still kufur/falsehood…” because you sound exactly like a priest – a mere mortal with pretensions of divine authority 🙂
Pak Yeh
October 22, 2013
Correction…
But to mistranslate Allah from GreekGospels (which is a non revelation / word of man Priests) to Arabic Gospels is still kufur/falsehood.!!!
This statement replaces …
But to translate Allah in Greek non revelation / word of man Priests is still kufur/falsehood.!!!
May Chee Chook Ying
October 22, 2013
Thank you, Singa Terhormat, for once again, showing us the “light”. God bless.
jonh base
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
You still don’t get it, do you?
Nobody owns God’s (or Creator’s, or Allah’s, or Al Rahmat’s etc) name.
Nobody needs your approval to what name he/she calls his/her God.
As simple as that.
But, I sympathise with the muslims in Malaysia. Their minds have been indoctrinated by bad politics for so long that they don’t know what’s truth and what’s false. and they think what happens in Malaysia is how the world should work. sadly, it isn’t.
Robert K Chelliah
October 22, 2013
As I have said elsewhere, let the Malay Muslims take possession of the four letters A L L A H, as they are mere English alphabets and nothing more. But these silly fanatics cannot take possession of what these 4 letters represents , for their mind is too small to comprehend the complexities of the substance that lies behind those 4 letters.
Robert K Chelliah
October 22, 2013
ooops 5 letters
Zahariah
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
You said:
“However in good faith, I allow use of Allah for Old Testament Bible…”
You allow? You?
Pray tell. What authority are you vested with that anyone needs your consent?
wandererAUS
October 22, 2013
Is it so important how we should address our Creator? Is it not more important how we shall behave and serve Him as His servants?…you can have all the money in the world but, you cannot buy your way to his kingdom….definitely, you will not get a VIP card if you called HIM, “Allah” or by any other name.
Jojonot
October 22, 2013
What a twisted knot the Abrahamich religions have knitted…..Big Bro must be at his wits end and humming SM Salims ‘Apa dah jadi sampai, sekarang tak paham lagi..”…The UMNO religion is all encompassing in Malaya…..
A rose by any other name is still a rose la pak yeh…ada paham…If the propagation of the christianity is the main concern there were other tactics available to counter them…ask Andres Vilaa B…..
Pak Yeh
October 22, 2013
My John Base.
You are the one who still don’t get it. You cannot mistranslate your own Bible OT andGospel. That would be a falsehood and, immoral and the work of the devil.
Use your own original Greek Bible gods name please. Leave the Muslim god alone.!!! And please dont mistranslate “god” a noun into “Allah” a Proper noun. That would be a mistranslation.
Have you Christian not had enough of mistranslations within yoiur own Bible.???
Where is your original Aramais Gospel.??? Hidden by the Pope so you cannot find out the mistranslations.???
annabrella
October 23, 2013
Pak Yeh:
I note you can learn from your own misunderstandings and change for the better. See how you realised progressively through your posts and came to the self-realisation that Allah is not a pronoun but a proper noun as per your following comments?
1. ….Christians translating “god” a noun to Allah a pronoun is a mistranslation and an immoral thing to do.
2. …None is able to refute my proofs yet. None can justify why Christians mistranslate “god” a noun to “Allah” a pronoun.
3. ….Did they mistranslated a noun “god” for a Pronoun “Allah”.???
4. ….And please dont mistranslate “god” a noun into “Allah” a Proper noun. That would be a mistranslation.
From the error of saying Allah is a pronoun in 1, 2 and 3 you came to the self-realisation of saying the truth in 4 that Allah is not pronoun but a proper noun.
Maybe you will also see sometime soon that God and Allah and Brahman and so on are not proper names of any common noun gods unique to any religion but are in fact common terms of reference in different languages and religions for the same universal philosophical thought conceptual of an ultimate Reality/the Absolute i.e. God/Allah/Brahman/etc.
Happy learning and evolving!
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Me
October 22, 2013
Arab Muslim are TURNING Islam into dogmas and doctrines in end times. They do that to compete with other PAGAN CULT RELIGIONS. I am a Christian and I follow Islam. I do not follow ARAB Islamic DOGMAS AND DCOTRINES !!!!!
Alvin
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh, let me add a twist to ALLAH, its root is in SANSKRIT and the Hindus and Sikhs have been using it all this while ! After all the Arabs were once Hindus !!! To @ Me ,what are PAGAN CULT RELIGIONS ? Christianity is A CULT so dont get cocky !
Pak Yeh
October 22, 2013
Why do 99% Christians all over the world do not use Allah.???
Because Allah is not the Bible god.right.???
As for the 1% Christian wanting to use Allah in their Bible, they are out to insult Allah and the Muslims. .
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
“…As for the 1% Christian wanting to use Allah in their Bible, they are out to insult Allah and the Muslims…”
You sound like you are trying to create trouble between Christians and Muslims in Malaysia.
You have no proof that Christians are out to insult Allah and Muslims.
Wouldn’t such a remark be considered seditious and liable for prosecution?
You should start worrying because there are some very good lawyers who read Haris’s blog.
You may get your chance for “intelligent” debate very soon.
Firdaus Riduan
October 22, 2013
Hi pls dont waste time. Dont u know pak yeh is ” Allah.” So let him b. My whole family has christian hindu muslim buddhist. We r all malaysians n human with our blood red in color as created by the true Allah swt. I m muslim
shakuntala
October 22, 2013
Hehehehe……how nice that we are ALL so protective of our Allah.
But beware. how come you have so much hate and not enough love for Allah.
We please Allah best when we love HIM and share HIM equally. This is his commandment.
wandererAUS
October 23, 2013
The bottom line…Muslims were not the first to call “Allah” for their God. That is the fact Pak Yeh, do not try to be a smart @r$e. For your information, Indonesia with the biggest Muslim population, their spoke person said, “Allah is for everyone”…so stop your bloody bullshitting!
shakuntala
October 23, 2013
Many thanks annabrella and Pak Ye……have benefited from some grammar re-grounding.
Happily or unfortunately. some of us assume that we’d had a better education from super teachers?.
Oh dear, oh dear, only yesterday was I trying to figure out noun, pronoun and proper noun. So are noun and pronoun, , the same? I know pronoun. for example… the word IT…….can we call God/IT, annabrella or Pak Yek?
Actually I dare say, we’d be right…because we do not know whether God is a male or a female…right?. Oh dears……the presumed supremacy of earthly man has been carried to great heights by the reference to God as an HE…..which sounds better HE or IT?. I am assuming that some persons would of course revolt with disgust at the idea of God being a woman?
I learned in school that a noun is the name of any person, place or thing..hmmmn…. give up!!!.. I think God wouldn’t mind a damn if we said IT……”.In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God”
God is a kepala pusing topic Better not try, to venture too far……one cannot be as clever….
Robert K Chelliah
October 23, 2013
I have no problem with the gender issue . My “GOD” is a IT without any form, substance or bodily structure. My IT is actually a benign power from an remote planet from the outer universe which directs a mystical force on the minds of earthlings, which we call religious faith. For IT it is a scheme of arrangements to regulate the orderly conduct of earthlings , segmented to different shades and DNA, . In actuality we earthlings show our deference to an alien astro-physics force that directs the destiny of earthlings within a scheme of things designed by IT. We commonly call this alien force GOD . All the so called prophets and messiahs and other super talented individuals are specially appointed individuals of the human race to enforce the will of IT on this planet. There is no such thing as GOD or ALLAH in the form of HE or SHE or even transgender. It is simply a mystical force form another universe, probably housed in a super duper planetary vehicle, directing humans on this planet under whatever faith suited for each segment. All these rituals and “religious” occasions have functional values for the enforcement/maintenance the equilibrium of the system that belongs to IT. Hence I would not be fooled by all tber fear mongering nit wits on this planet garbed in all kind of unusual manners.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 23, 2013
shakuntala,
Heheheheh!! I pass on noun, pronouns, adjectives, present participles and past particples. In fact, I have no idea I just wrote back there.
As the old joke goes about what to call God – You can call God anything you like, She doesn’t mind 🙂
JCaine
October 23, 2013
While Christians will forever speculate on the word “Elohim” , honest Hebrew speakers would admit that this archaic word for God has a history that is lost to us. The “royal plurality” hypothesis may be a possible explanation for why the word is plural, but this seems to have been unknown to early Hebrew speakers (such as the Jewish missionary who, according to the Kuzari, competed with Muslims and Christians to convert the king of the Khazars in the eighth century). It is difficult however to translate this word to “gods,” as the Hebrew text conjugates the verb “to create” in the singular. Regardless, (Elohim) is a plural forum of a more basic root-word for God, (eloh).
The late Ahmad Deedat argued that the word is not ELOH-IM (Elohim) It’s ALLAH! . The “IM” in Hebrew is a plural of respect, dignity and honor for GOD Almighty. The word is “Eloh”. The “E” and the “O” are blasphemous deception to deliberately misspell “ALLAH”. So they spell it as ELOH.
However, if one were to find the word (eloh) (alef-lamed-heh) in an inscription written in paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader. This letter combination (which can be pronounced alah) is the root for the verb “to swear” or “to take an oath,” as well as the verb “to deify” or “to worship”, as can be seen as follows:
ALEF-LAMED-HEH
The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, which means God, deity, power, strength, et cetera.
So one of the basic Hebrew words for God, (eloh), can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God is (alah). This word, in the standard script , or the Estrangela script, is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, eel.
The Arabic word for God, Allâh , is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, (ilah). We are quickly starting to notice the obvious linguistic and etymological connections between the respective words for God in these closely related Semitic languages (e.g. Allâh, Alah, and Eloh being related to Ilah, Eel, and El, respectively).
annabrella
October 25, 2013
Very illuminating explanation based on hard facts from JCaine – thanks – and so not based on pure conjecture or hypothetical speculation or wild assertions made by the flying seat of one’s pants or for the sake of one’s self-serving rice bowl.
So more please and we can guarantee ignorance will get busted even more, chipped away bit by bit until the whole thing collapses into an AHA! moment of comprehension referred to as Eureka!
So come on all you truly intelligent scholars out there of all religions. Come on and give these sadly ignorant people in Malaysia (who the UMNO-Malays have kept stringing along in the dark for over 50-years now to steal from them) a helpful leg-up onto the knowledge is power ladder.
Isn’t it mentioned in the Bible somewhere that Jesus Christ cried out “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” when he stood alone nailed on that cross up on that hill, tortured, crucified and left to die bit by bit by the pathetic bastards of the established religion of that time that he, Jesus, had challenged with his better and more rational and evolutionary way and compassionate understanding of what the concept of God/Elo/Eli/Allah stood for? That true and more dynamic knowledge that Jesus had learned and which he was teaching others was feared as such a threat to the static knowledge of the established static religious hierarchical order of the time that Jesus had to be eliminated since he would not recant his teachings as heresy and insisted they were true because as he said, it is only truth that will set you free.
Do you recognise today the same cruel religious bastards who are still around doing the same sorts of irrational and nasty acts motivated by their fear of losing power?
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Rahman Hyder
October 23, 2013
getting malaysians distracted and to fight among themselves is like taking candy from a baby – just use religion.
if everyone had as much passion and time to spend on working to bring about change in the country, umno would be gone long ago.
focus, people.
the issue here is ABU.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 23, 2013
Rahman Hyder,
In a way, UMNO has created a rod for it’s own back and we should take advantage of UMNO’s slip up to help focus Malaysians on ABU.
I grant that there is a danger that the religious issue could overwhelm ABU objectives but if we are careful in how we hold the “rod” and how we apply the “rod”, UMNO will regret using religion to divide Malaysians.
Tahir Jumat
October 23, 2013
We are talking about the Malay language here. And we the Malays are the master of our own language. For the ignorant masses, in the Malay language the translation for God is simply TUHAN. Get it tru your thick and numb skull. Dont have to go to history etc. For the Sabahans and Sarawakians , do use Allah in your native dialect Bible and publications i.e Dayak, Kadazan ,Ibans and what ever other dialect but Not in Bahasa Melayu. Its that simple. I am sure it can be done without much problem.The Sabahans and Sarawakians as well as the Indonesians too have been misled into using Allah as a translation from God all this while. Here we are trying to correct your past mistake. Go to Europe or North as well as South America and ask any Christians there who is Allah, and I am very sure the answer will be the Islamic God. After all the first bible that was use to translate into Malay language does not contain the word Allah. It would have come from Britain, Dutch or even Portugese. None of these language use the word Allah in their Bible.So why insist on using Allah in the Malay Bible.?
Tahir Jumat
October 23, 2013
We are Not talking as UMNO members. We are talking as Muslim who are aware about the hidden agenda of these non Muslim (maybe not an hidden agenda anymore by now) We have seen it happened in Indonesia and will not let it happen here in Malaysia.
For Muslim who love Allah and The Prophet and Islam, please dont wait until something happen in your family to realize its consequences , by then it will be too late.
Its only Not acceptable for the word Allah to be printed in the Malay version Bible as well as other publication in the Malay language.
We Malays realized our weakness, therefore we are trying to ensure that our future generations will not blame us for letting this mistake to go on without putting a stop to it.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 23, 2013
Tahir Jumat,
“…We Malays realized our weakness…”
Are you so weak that when you hear others using the word, Allah, you melt and re-form into whatever religion that other person is following?
If you are so weak in your faith, is this not a sign that whosoever is teaching you about your faith is not doing a very good job?
You seem to be learning to fear other people and other religions instead of fearing your god.
The funny thing is that you are almost a good atheist like me because I fear only stupid crazy people and stupid crazy religions but I fear no gods and no devils 🙂
wandererAUS
October 23, 2013
Mana ada Malay race….you shits were just island hoppers from neighboring islands. Malay language?….it is bloody laughable. Curi words from others, here and there….even then, your history has hardly crept out from the infant phase. Historical fact, old countries having thousand of years civilization refer their Holy Ghost as Allah. Melayu race were have not even programed in the production line. It is about time, the Melayu race stop being arrogant and naive….making a bloody assh*le of themselves.
Robert K Chelliah
October 24, 2013
Master of own Language? Huh …. as a BUMI you must have copied a great deal of words and concepts from other languages . Languages that are capsulated in a primitive state in a static mode has to copy expressions from more advanced cultures and languages. BUMI + Putra is one prime example of copied words. Grateful for the charity of the others who don’t make a fuss about who copies their languages and concepts..
Taipan
October 25, 2013
Your future generation? You must be too comfortably numb to even raise the question!
If you are truly a Malay you should damn bloody well start worrying about that answer NOW instead of fighting over a borrowed word. But looking at your pathetic comments here, I don’t even pretend you know the real issue confronting you much less of what that lies ahead for the Malays.
wandererAUS
October 25, 2013
May I conclude the debate on this subject “Allah” by quoting, (I John, 12)
“No man hath seen God…..
But if we love one another,
God dwellth in us, and
His love is perfected in us”
Me
October 25, 2013
I AM The Creator. I AM The Living too. I make things become and make them alive !
No. I do not BECOME nor AM I alive. I Am already what I AM.
bigjoe99
October 25, 2013
This issue is about POWER ABUSE and Racism/Ketuanan..
The whole thing got started because Syed Hamid Albar, declining in importance in a more liberal Badawi’s administration, made an issue in a weakened Badawi administration in a last attempt to turnaround his prospect. The victims – those for and against the case ARE ALL VICTIMS..Christians and real Islamist are ALL victims – of UMNO politicians and their addiction to abuse of power for their own selfish reasons..
Putera Malaysia
November 7, 2013
Tahir Jumat,
You said ‘in the Malay language the translation for God is simply TUHAN’. So why are you Malays using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ and not ‘Tuhan’.
Adam
November 10, 2013
Tahir Jumat,
What hidden agenda are you talking about? Hidden to protected people like you but to those who are knowlegeable or care to make a search, you will find that the term Allah Tuhan has been used by the Malay speaking Christians for generations and even centuries. Iban Christians use Allah Ta’ala. The history of the Alkitab can be found at http://sejarah.sabda.org/bagan/ They have even Jawi versions and a Baba edition printed in 1913.
As for the Malay language, Malay historical linguists agree on the likelihood of the Malay homeland being in western Borneo but the oldest inscriptions known in Malay were found in South Sumatra (source: Wikipedia). So, East Malaysians has as much right to use the language. Now you know.
Pak Yeh
November 10, 2013
On behalf of Tahir Jumaat.
the word tuhan is a noun. Malays still use that. The word Allah is the name of our god like Yahweh the Christian name of god.
So Malays often pray by saying Ya Allah ,Ya tuhan ku”
Do you understand now Mr Putera Malaysia.
We are not like the Christian Bumis of Sabah Sarawak that mistranslate the noun god to a name Allah and then mistranslat Lord to Allah, when Lord is Tuan in Malay.
Are East Malaysian Bumis and supporters of Christian use of Allah here too dumb to be aware of these mistranslations.???