By Singa Terhormat
Justice Apandi, together with Justices Abdul Aziz Abdul Rahim and Mohd Zawawi Salleh in the Court of Appeal recently decided that Christians are not to use “Allah”.
Before the decision was delivered some so-called Islamic groups outside the Court premises held up banners stating that ‘Allah’ is just for Muslims.
What does Allah Himself say?
In Surah Al Baqarah verse 25 of the Qur’an is stated:
“Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat or anything above that. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude?” (emphasis added)
There you have it. Allah tells us in the Holy Qur’an that the disbelievers use “Allah”.
In Surah Al Maeda verse 17 of the Qur’an is stated:
“The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating.”
There you have it again. Allah tells us that the Jews and Christians use “Allah”.
Did “Allah” come into use only after the Qur’an was revealed? What does the Qur’an itself say?
In recounting the story about Cain and Abel (Qabil and Habil), Surah Al Maeda verses 26 and 27 of the Qur’an states:
“But recite unto them with truth the tale of the two sons of Adam, how they offered each a sacrifice, and it was accepted from the one of them and it was not accepted from the other. (The one) said: I will surely kill thee. (The other) answered: Allah accepteth only from those who ward off (evil). Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! I fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.” (emphasis added)
So as far back as Cain and Abel “Allah” was in use.
Ex-Johor mufti Mohd Nooh Gadut says if Muslims question the Court decision, they can be ruled as being infidels or becoming apostates. Now as earlier shown, Allah Himself tells us that the disbelievers and Jews and Christians use “Allah”. Is Mohd Nooh Gadut contending that he knows better than Allah?
Who then can be ruled an infidel or one becoming apostate?
Do these people not know their own Scripture?
The People's Parliament 
shakuntala
October 16, 2013
Sorry, the Muslims in Malaysia have made God very unfriendly, very far,very unapproachable. And we are taught that God is most merciful, most benevolent, MOST embracing……they had better quickly feel sorry and ask His forgiveness.
Rahman Hyder
October 17, 2013
Please don’t lump all muslims together.
madey s/o kutty
October 16, 2013
why fight over something that does not exist?
bigjoe99
October 19, 2013
You mean like Malay special “right”
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 16, 2013
Singa Terhormat,
It’s been said that in Malaysia we find Muslims who are MORE Muslim than the Prophet Muhamad himself.
Given the “Allah” decision, I am starting to believe it!!
In fact, I suspect that those very same Muslims mentioned above are now thinking of usurping the position of Allah himself!!
Today, it is about what Allah said. Tomorrow, it’ll be about what Allah would have said.
lizzie
October 16, 2013
What the court as well as the pro Allah ban clerics and govt are actually saying is this, that the muslims in Malaysia are different from muslims from the arab world and other parts of the world. Perhaps in their mind, they are not sure that the malaysian muslims really know their god, and can get confused easily. What to do, since they think malaysian muslims will be led astray, they have to do the honorable thing. At this rate, muslims will be ‘helped’ more and more, so that there is no room for error (or rather thinking.. becuz thinking is dangerous sometimes). This is Islam for dummies, the malaysian way.
Alice
October 16, 2013
It makes me wonder whether Nooh has actually read the Koran.
wandererAUS
October 16, 2013
While the UMNO peeled dicks celebrate….Allah is damn angry! The 3 monkey judges not only offended the good people of Malaysia with their unreal verdict, they have sinned against their Creator. Ini lah, Melayu without conscience.
the mythbuster
October 16, 2013
What our learned judges of the Court of Appeal has done is a big disservice to God Almighty who they claim as Allah. By depriving and denying others from uttering Allah ( the Arabic term for God Almighty) these DUMBNO supporters have barred others form praying to God Almighty, using the Arabic term Allah.
It is one thing to blindly follow the dictates of the DUMBNOs but at least the learned judges should have known better to come up with their unanimous decision. Don’t they know that other Muslim countries have no qualms when others freely address their God as Allah? Don’t they know that the term Allah is just a word to address God? Why do they think that just as NEP, NEM and other quasi apartheid models, they should also make God (Allah) their very own. It is like Allah has become a registered trademark that cannot be used by others in Malaysia. What rubbish?
By denying everyone, Muslims and others of different faith, from addressing God as Allah, they have not only insulted every right thinking, reasonable and rational Malaysian but they have also dictated to God Himself who should address Him Allah. They seem to know better than Allah. In fact the DUMBNOs and their sidekicks have started playing God.
Anything goes in Bolehland, if it comes from the perverted DUMBNOs! Stop playing God or he might as well play his hand which could have some very painful and disastrous results.
Paul Packianathan
October 16, 2013
:Ex-Johor mufti Mohd Nooh Gadut says if Muslims question the Court decision, they can be ruled as being infidels or becoming apostates.” Didn’t the umnobaru Muslims themselves question the High Court decision? Thanks to Mohd Nooh Gadut for declaring that the umnobaru Muslims are infidels and apostates.
anna brella
October 17, 2013
I think most, if not all, know that this is not about Allah at all nor even about Islam. This is all about politics and about one group of Malaysians wanting to protect their political power and “special position” above all else. That fear of losing their special position in Malaysia and becoming equal Malaysians with fellow Malaysians causes them to devise, do and say all manner of bizarre and plainly stupid idiotic stuff. Don’t you feel sorry for the poor fearful sods who have become so dependent on their special position, perks and umpteen other easy to have privileges from their exclusive entitlement licence and reliance on their NEP crutches that they find it so fearful to even think straight or even stand up for themselves and be counted as decent?
leekh
October 17, 2013
Noh wrote the Koran! He knows everything!
Ed G
October 17, 2013
This whole Allah issue has nothing to do with religion but more towards politics. The morally corrupted UMNO, who is being deserted by the droves by the very race they professed to champion, are just playing with the ego of the Muslims in their effort to outflank or even split up the PR coalition. They know very few Muslims would dare to take a position against the ruling for fear of being chastised and condemned by their community, seniors or peers for being unreligious or labeled as traitors to their race. But are those UMNO fellas religious in the first place? Do they actually live their lives according to their religious teachings or are they just a bunch of hypocrites who are only outwardly or publicly religious? On these questions, I have no doubt that they (the religious champions) believe that the Allah whom they so jealously try to protect as their own possession would be the final judge
shakuntala
October 17, 2013
Rahman Ryder I apologize, but how nice would it be if only we did not have to divide God and rule HIM according to our little understanding of HIM.
We simply cannot go half measures with God in our respect and adoration of HIM. We need one voice, one soul and one heart for the Almighty.
Sorry if you found my text displeasing…..
Rahman Hyder
October 17, 2013
As other commentators have pointed out, this is pure political posturing by the ruling party. As to having one voice, one soul and one heart, it would be nice but will never happen, unfortunately.
Just as you wouldn’t judge all chinese by Soi Lek, or all indians by Samy Vellu, please don’t judge all muslims by this “mufti”.
The rational muslims voices are rarely heard, one exception being Dr Asri, the ex-mufti of Perlis. Please google him to see what he says on the issue.
shakuntala
October 17, 2013
Sorry for misspelling your good name….I missed out on the H in Hyder…..been having sight problems lately, so sorry.
shakuntala
October 17, 2013
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia, many thanks again for the explanation re the logo……what’s in a name after all.
DC.
October 17, 2013
Are we being, as the French say, “plus royaliste que le roi?” More royal than the king?
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 17, 2013
DC,
Oui 🙂
Heheheheh!! There goes about 10% of all the French I know 🙂
anna brella
October 17, 2013
Why is it that we only have this religious nonsense about what the right word is for the God of Islam in Malaysia? Is what anyone calls this God of Islam in any way important to the actual good practice of that religion? The answer is NO so why all the unending nonsense? National stupidity? Or are Malaysians pretending to sleep so you can never wake them up from the nonsense and stupidity no matter how much logical, reasonable, educated or scholarly argument you put forward to debunk the deliberate lying and pretending and burying of heads in the sand by the politicking politickers there who all want to be more equal than others so they can cheat and steal others in the name of Allah? And if there is an Allah who exists in any case, then why can’t the ordinary good Muslims just go out there and protest against the stupidity attributed to them by many because of the lying bastards who are using them and their Allah for cheap political mileage and cash and kick them all out?
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
shakuntala
October 18, 2013
Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all three manifestly monotheistic religions, which is to say their adherents are professing only One God.This is an absolute belief. So for goodness sakes, how in God’s own holy name is it now being touted in Boleh Land Malaysia, that Christianity has a different God….golly this is utter disrespect of the Almighty.and we dare use HIS holy name in vain, we men of little faith?
And one other thing, why in God’s holy name again, can we not think that God can also take a joke and enjoy giggling at our squabbling over HIM here on planet Earth.
Sorry, but I believe that God is a light-hearted, benign Power and one can go on debating and chopping HIM up without us ever knowing that HE is having a jolly good laugh, up there in Paradise,
Why are we so mean to chop up God……HE so generously made us ONE HUMAN RACE, so why are we so hell-bent in dividing HIM and making a mockery of HIM?
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Abdullah
October 18, 2013
The ruling by CoA vary simple and straght foward.
To Christian God,Allah got a son.
To Muslim,Allah is the One and Only.He begetteth not.nor is he begotten:And there is none like unto Him.
So certainly we are talking about two different God.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 18, 2013
Abdullah,
Eeerr… how about godless folk like me?? 🙂
Don’t forget that atheists struggle with the concept of different gods .. well.. at least I do, because I have to try and keep up with all the gods everybody tells me about.
I mean, how about MY GODS of Physics and Chemistry and Biology and Mathematics?
annabrella
October 19, 2013
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia:
Are you really godless just because you do not subscribe to the world view according to the established religions we all have heard or know of?
If all things do come from the craetive mind/design of some God-Entity, then so must all things everywhere, including the arts and the sciences, like physics, chemistry and biology So why can’t these godly things then be of special interest or joy to you and so become your personal chosen gods/Gods?
On the other hand if there is no God-Entity anywhere other than the small or big thoughts in the Human Mind, or just the seemingly Arbitrary Messy Makeup of the Universe, than who in heaven/hell/earth/etc. cares about who and what your gods/Gods are anyway?
So, it’s better, don’t you think, to be an atheist and accept everything to be rubbish and then maybe seek out what is true from there and what is untrue? That is why I have more respect for the honesty of atheists than the blindness, stupidity, hypocrisy and bigotry of followers of various religions who pretend to be godly and good when some of these misguided religious Borg-like bastards and Vortaish fools are the most nasty and cruel people one will ever have the misfortune to meet anywhere in the known or unknown universe!
You are therefore keeping good company in a more honest and hallowed way, Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia. At least from my point of view anyway whether that is a plus or a minus to you because I don’t really care.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 19, 2013
annabrella,
I gave up on believing in Pink Unicorns, Flying Spaghetti Monsters, and the like when I saw the second plane hit the second World Tower live on TV.
Up until that point in time, I was making excuses for the first plane – it was an accident, it was navigational error, it was human error, it was instrument failure, it was anything except deliberate human intervention.
The sense of freedom and relief when I said out aloud, involuntarily, to myself, “There is no God”, is indescribable.
I was shocked that I said it and I looked around me to make sure I was indeed alone in my dark little room and nobody was messing with my mind 🙂
The additional benefit I got which I only realised several months later was that I no longer feared the dark and the various ghosts and evil spirits who might be hiding there.
I know, here I was, a grown man with some intelligence being afraid of the dark until I decided to believe in myself and what I have learnt in science.
To me, no god=no devil 🙂
I found my own way out and I guess it’s up to others to decide for themselves what the role of religion is in the 21st century.
annabrella
October 19, 2013
Really Abdullah? You seem to think ancient texts written in abstract language are so easy peasy and straightforward to decipher and comprehend to get at the real gist of what is being conveyed? Well then it’s no wonder that UMNO can persuade others so easily that Malaysians can be so easily confused by religion and religious texts.
We are all sons and daughters of God/Allah/Brahman/etc. and hence, why was Jesus Christ not also a son of God in that perspective. Because he was so good it is thought that he crossed over into Divinity and so became the best son of God the earth had ever known. That is why we use the capital “S” to say Jesus was the Son of God. So from ordinary son of God to the best proven Son of God. Get it? That is why the Bible says that Jesus said at his trial when he was being accused derisively of being the Son of God by his Jewish religious establishment tormentors that he had not said he was the son of god but that they had said he was the Son of God. Now think about it from that more perfectly logical communicative perspective if you want to truly understand who Jesus Christ was, why he is revered as a He and a Son of God now, and then what Christianity might be all about. (I am afrai8the next lesson will be charged for, particularly if anyone wants to understand what the logical meaning of Christianity’s Holy Trinity might be from the point of view of a definite non-expert on any religion.)
I suppose the same sorts of confusion about true meanings possibly exist in other religious texts too, like the Islamic text for instance, and which if you ask many people who do not profess to be “experts” of that religion at all in any way, will intuitively conclude that the Islamic text looks and reads astonishingly like a very literal and direct translation into the Arabic language of the old biblical testament written in the Hebrew or Aramaic languages.
Please don’t all attack me or crucify me now for being a pompous heretic (or a murtad?) since I am a confessed non-expert of/on anything. I just have a natural urge to get away from ignorance and stupidity and to have a more logically understandable interpretation and viewpoint on all things, including the ancient writings in the Quran/Koran, Bible and the even more ancient Vedas. Believe me, once you have that urge and have seen some light to the simple beauty of how it is all designed to fit together so seamlessly and beautifully, it is very, very hard to accept illogical ordure and the nonsense from stupidity or ignorance from any quarter because if indeed there is this Being called God/Allah/Brahman, then this God-Entity is certainly not irrational or stupid or ugly. Smile
Yes, another pointlessly deep theoretical rambling perhaps that cannot be proven either way but perhaps, it might nevertheless, also have a grain of truth to it or simply be true. Who knows for sure and which is why I suppose all manner of idiots and charlatans make capital out of it. But where do those hypotheses come from anyway about the potential knowings that now lie within current unknown states and realms?
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Rahman Hyder
October 19, 2013
we accept that our sight is limited, our hearing is limited, but insist that our brain is capable of understanding EVERYTHING.
the two greatest scientists ever, newton and einstein, believed in God.
have a little humility, please.
annabrella
October 20, 2013
As it is important, I would like to restate sentence 6 of para 2 in my post above for more clarity as I think it is not structured tightly enough to minimise the risk of a mis-communication:
That is why the Bible says that Jesus said at his trial – when he was being accused derisively of being the Son of God by his Jewish religious establishment tormentors – that he had not said he was the Son of God but that they, his tormentors, had said he was the Son of God.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Mary Teo
October 19, 2013
Err. Abdullah, all Christians believe that there is Only one God. So you mean you believe there are 2 or more gods?? Now I am confused.
shakuntala
October 18, 2013
Tuhan…….kurniakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !!!!!!.
Oh my Merciful God I have been singing this to you, now, for a pretty long time, ever since I was a kid…..and YOU kept silent and never once did YOU try to shut me up
I guess that is the grandeur and beauty of YOU, which we mortals don’t even want to acknowledge..
Amen.
wandererAUS
October 19, 2013
Indonesia with the world largest Muslim population have no problem and unselfish enough to declare, Allah is for everyone….why should the small minority Muslim infidels in Malaysia claimed otherwise? Do Muslims in this region worship different Allah?….don’t blame the Muslims are confused which is their own doing, non-Muslims are even more confused because the name Allah existed long before Islam was introduced!
the mythbuster
October 19, 2013
Precisely, wandererAUS. The DUMBNO Muslims in this godforsaken land are a very confused lot, not only about Islam and its practice but about everything universal. They preach the purity of Islam and its non-violent and peace loving attributes but practise the opposite together with neo-apartheid policies in devious forms.
Even the mere mention of God as Allah by others make them go berserk. They have grabbed everything in sight as theirs that they have now claimed a monopoly over Allah.
What next? Even God won’t know the ridiculous minds of these morons and what they would do next. Even God cannot reason out with them. Power, wealth and affluent living has gone into their heads and made them pigheaded.
DC.
October 19, 2013
Dear Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia. Oui. C’est vrais.
In addition, congratulations on getting over pink unicorns, spaghetti monsters, fairies down the garden, as an evolutionary scientist describes it. The Allah drama we witness today is as silly as a group of bald headed men, bald as billiard balls, fighting over a comb.
shakuntala
October 19, 2013
Oh dear, we’re all like the Crusaders battling to know how best to call God!!! Bloody difficult ain’t it? .
Maybe we ought to ask God Himself to clean breast what HIS actual name is…..me, I think I will do it on Christmas night which is just around the corner
Then when HE answers we can ALL heave a sigh of relief and set about working together really and truly hard, to follow HIM together.
Reckon, we wouldl then have discovered everything about HIM?
Any other idea …..anyone?
Pak Yeh
October 19, 2013
Dera Singa Terhormat,
you are cherry picking the Quran verses, to prove the proper informal oral usage of the word Allah by non Muslims Arabs for the Supreme God…without any additions or corruption to the word Allah.
Muslims do not disagree if the non Muslims use of Allah for the “Supreme Being” or the “One God”.
The bone of contention is when there is additions or corruption or the word kufur of falsehood is added to the word Allah.. as per Quran 5:72/73
“They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. (72) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.” (73)
Hence Christians do not have a right to call their god because,
1) Quran 5;72/73, Allah himself says “He is not a Christian God( a Trinity God with a son)”.!!!
2) All the original Bibles in Greek and Latin plus 99% of all translated Bibles do not use Allah as “god” or name of god.
3) Christians translating “god” a noun to Allah a pronoun is a mistranslation and an immoral thing to do.
Read more @
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2013/10/dr-mazakafir-dan-pluralism-dalam-isu.html
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2013/10/christian-use-of-allah-debate-with.html
http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2013/10/christians-bible-mistranslation-and.html
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 20, 2013
Pak Yeh,
The way I see it your assertions about Allah is no better than Singa Terhormat’s!!
It is YOUR interpretation of some verse in the Quran.
YOU have no idea what Allah is actually saying, right?
So, for a naive, unlearned person like myself, what makes your views any more correct than any other?
Please do not say that you have depended on opinions by those who have studied the subject for many years because the fact remains that THEY could not claim to KNOW what Allah is actually saying either.
So, do you KNOW or is it merely a “best guess” on your part? Be honest 🙂
annabrella
October 20, 2013
Why is Allah only for Muslims?
The word/term “Allah” in Arabic is equivalent to the word/term “God” in English. The words Allah and God are not specific names but same words in different languages referring to the same human faith-based concept of there being an omnipotent and all emcompassing Almighty Creator somewhere.
Isn’t that general reference to that human faith-based concept of an Absolute the reason why Arabic speaking people of all religious denominations were using the common term of reference for the Almighty i.e. Allah, long before Islam made its appearance in the Middle East?
So if you are born somewhere in the Middle East and chose to follow the religion of Christianity or Hinduism and you knew only Arabic for all your communications with others, then what word would you use when referring to the generic and unnamed conceptual Almighty Creator referred to in Christianity or in Hinduism? Would it be any word/term other than “Allah”?
So if that Arab non-Muslim person came to Malaysia for a holiday, what word could they possibly use to refer and/or pray to their religion’s Almighty since all non-Muslims in Malaysia are now forbidden by force of law from using the word/term “Allah” because, according to the understanding of the three Appeal Court judges, they clearly think that the word/term “Allah” is irrelevant and not required in Christianity or Hinduism or any other religion for that matter and hence, they have concluded and ruled through their judgment that the word/term “Allah” is only applicable to the religion of Islam, which means ONLY Muslims can use the word/term “Allah” lawfully in the territories that come under the jurisdiction of Malaysia.
Perhaps you can see why Arabic-speaking Musims and non-Muslims and rational others of all religious persuasions in and out of Malaysia have all become irked enough to voice out their irritation at the mind-numbing stupidity and dangerous ignorance and misunderstanding of Islam that they see being displayed for political reasons and advantage by the Muslims of Malaysia.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Zahariah
October 20, 2013
Pak Yeh,
I suppose then you claim to know better than Allah and all the Arabs in the middle East that do not have a problem with others using ‘Allah’.
Anyway it is good of you to show the other verses in the Holy Quran where it mentions that disbelievers too use the same word, Allah. Maybe you can look up further and post more such verses. Good man!
Zahariah
October 20, 2013
By the way Pak Yeh, I just looked up your blog postings as suggested by you. I am afraid the deficiency you show in reasoning is really quite appalling. Your so-called debate with Dr Asri’s opinion is, if not for it being astonishing in your inability to grasp the issues at hand and your propensity for misunderstanding the arguments put forth by Dr Asri, really quite laughable.
What is in issue is the right to use of the word ‘Allah’, not the concept of who Allah is. Hard as it may be for you, do try, just try, to understand that.
Oh! By the way too, Pak Yeh, ‘issue’ is not spelt “issu”. Maybe you want to correct that so as not to continue embarrassing yourself?
wandererAUS
October 20, 2013
Why are we quarreling over the name Allah?….have anyone seen Allah or God? How can we name something we have not even seen and set all sort of ridiculous conditions and religious laws which are man made! I rather join Another Anak Bangsa and become an atheist! Perhaps, Sakuntala you care to send in your application form as well? Guaranteed, no stress!…only believe in, “All the good things are FREE”.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 20, 2013
wandererAUS,
No fees to pay, no secret handshakes, no attendance at special gatherings, no application forms necessary to become an atheist, mate 🙂
Heheheheh!! Maybe that’s why religions do not like people like me – there’s no money in atheism!! 🙂
shakuntala
October 20, 2013
Don’t worry mates, Darwinism and Time are marching alongside and we’ll see.
What a striking shame that with all the so called Allah advance, we still have 40 percent poverty in this country.
Wouldn’t Allah think that it is all a big joke?
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shakuntala
October 20, 2013
Hi wandererAUS…….you’ve hit the nail on the kepala!!!!
Religion when used as a pre-occupation, used as a tool to keep and promote power like the UMNOS are doing and terribly, terribly organized…. results in bullshit thinking. We don’t have to disown God. We just carry on with our day to day responsibilities and functions in the best possible way we can…..no need to announce who or what we are.
No need to label yourself as an atheist.either. I didn’t even realize that AABM is an atheist?….even an atheist is competing……we ALL need to live simple quiet lives……it does not mean, on the other hand…. silent!!!!
You know there was once a great guy, who said in all humility, ” You all can be what you want to be, ……me, I am just a man”. So much meaning there.
Even the Christ said, ” I am, who am”……..simple, no fuss, no nonsense.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 20, 2013
shakuntala,
It’s been 12 years now that I found my way out of the maze.
I don’t think that any two persons will find the same way out.
Whilst my journey thru life is no less difficult, at least I now know that I am the reason for my own actions.
Pak Yeh
October 20, 2013
Dear Zahariah.
What are you.? A grand mother.???
All the natering and not one debate or refutation of what i said here or at ny blog.!!!
You dont have brains to debate me.???
Yo GrandmaGo dodoi your cucu lah.!!!
Kah,kah,kah.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 21, 2013
Pak Yeh,
Eeerr… sorry to ask you again.
What makes your views any more correct than any other?
Do you know what Allah wants or is it a “best guess” on your part?
BTW, Zahariah had refuted your statements previously but you did not seem to have notice her earlier comments, same as you didn’t seem to notice my question.
Zahariah
October 20, 2013
Pak Yeh,
In your own blog you posted this:
“Maka Dr MAZA (meaning Dr Asri) adalah kafir kerana membenarkan yang kufur.
Muslim Arab Indonesia dan serata dunia yang benarkan kufur ( Christian guna Allah dan Muslim Pluralism ) ini juga turut mejadi kafir.!!!”
So in one foul sweep you brand all Muslims in Arab countries and Indonesia as kafir or those who reject the truth.
You now choose to play the role of Allah Himself! Clearly Pak Yeh, you need to end your own kufur ways.Leave judgment to Allah swt and do not try to usurp what is solely His.
And by the way, Pak Yeh, its not spelt ‘natering’ but ‘nattering’. Can you try to do something about your spelling, kiddo? It sure stinks.
wandererAUS
October 20, 2013
No wonder my Creator the Holy Ghost loves me. True to myself and true to Him. I see no evil, I hear no evil and definitely, I talk no evil. I believe in, “Make Love and No War”. See not bad being an atheist….always in the comfort zone!
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 21, 2013
wandererAUS,
Too busy making love to do war 🙂
shakuntala
October 21, 2013
Isn’t it truly wonderful that here. on Haris’s blog. we are not just reserving Allah for the mosques, churches, temples and other myriad places of worship.
We are happily not afraid or conscious.
Bet you HE is damn well pleased that for once in a long, long time we are debating HIM, discussing HIM, discovering HIM, chopping HIM up to bits and even being happy or allowing our tempers a free reign!
That;s the beautiful thing about Allah,……HE wants you to do what you think is best for yourself.
Blyme….didn’t realize that I have just begun to get familiar with Allah…….nice!
Pak Yeh
October 21, 2013
Zahariah saiad:
Your so-called debate with Dr Asri’s opinion is, if not for it being astonishing in your inability to grasp the issues at hand and your propensity for misunderstanding the arguments put forth by Dr Asri, really quite laughable.
Pak Yeh’s reply:
Your opinion without any proper debate or Quran and Bible proof is an emty ignorant opinion.
If you did not debate with Quran and Bible proofs. how can you refute it.???
Zahariah said:
What is in issue is the right to use of the word ‘Allah’, not the concept of who Allah is. Hard as it may be for you, do try, just try, to understand that..
Pak Yeh’s reply:
The right does not include mistranslation of “god” to “Allah” a Pronoun.
!00% of original Bibles do not use Allah. So how can you proof Arabs use Allah unless it is a mistranslation. Dr MAZA and Singa Terhormat showin the use of Allah in the Quran, does not proof that arab christians use Allah. The Quran is for Arabs, thus the Arab word.Would the Quran use “Deus” the original word for the Bible god.
So there you are refuted and proven Singa Terhormat and Dr MAZA is wrong.
Zanariah saiad:
Oh! By the way too, Pak Yeh, ‘issue’ is not spelt “issu”. Maybe you want to correct that so as not to continue embarrassing yourself?
Pak Yeh’s reply
This is not a spelling test.??? Stop making this a kids school.!!!
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 21, 2013
Pak Yeh,
“…Your opinion without any proper debate or Quran and Bible proof is an emty ignorant opinion….”
And just because your opinion contains “debate” or “proof” from the Quran or Bible, it can still be an empty ignorant opinion 🙂
Heheheheh!!
wandererAUS
October 21, 2013
Pak Yeh; ………from which rubbish bin did you collect your ‘holy book’ which you used to quote so freely and unashamedly, to convince others of your great knowledge on religion?! Was the author of your holy book a ‘holy ghost’ or a ‘holy man’. It is good to be religious but, it is not very complimenting and embarassing when you used religion for your bullshitting!!
I know as a decent human being I will enter His kingdom in heaven….Blyme! where the hell is heaven?
Zahariah
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
You are right. It is in kids’ school that they learn spelling. When are you going to likewise learn? Or is too late for you to attend kids’ school?
annabrella
October 22, 2013
Haris, I think I posted a very long comment on this thread yesterday. So just to confirm that I did in fact post it, can I assume that for some reason (perhaps its length?) it got deleted?
Thanks.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Haris Ibrahim
October 22, 2013
annabrella,
It was deleted by the co-administrator due to its length. Please keep comments to a reasonable length. Thanks.
annabrella
October 22, 2013
Haris, thanks for the reply and clarification.
Invictus
October 22, 2013
As Singa Terhormat has pointed out, Allah Himself tells us that the Jews and Christians use “Allah”. No Muslim then, or since, has been ‘confused’, except for those in Malaysia. The remedy, for those of us who are ‘confused’, is simple: go back to what the Quran says. Had we done that from the start of the debate, we wouldn’t have to now listen to one ludicrous statement after another from those in government and individuals/organisations priding themselves on ‘struggling for race & religion”. It’s simply political manipulation at its insidious best. To illustrate my point: the rent-a-crowd outside the Court included a few who were dressed in Malay warrior style. Why? Was it really about ‘protecting the dignity of Islam’ ?
I was informed by someone more knowledgeable than I, that one of the signs of approaching Judgement is the proliferation of symbols of outward religiosity, without a corresponding sense of God-consciousness. That just about sums up the situation in the country.
Pak Yeh
October 22, 2013
I thought I can get intelligent debates here.
None is able to refute my proofs yet. None can justify why Christians mistranslate “god” a noun to “Allah” a pronoun.
Therefore I say Christian mistranslate to insult the Muslim god Allah.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
October 22, 2013
Pak Yeh,
You find it hard to get intelligent debate because you do not even answer simple entry-level questions.
For example, you were asked if you knew what “Allah” actually said or was it a “best guess” on your part – no answer.
You were then asked why your opinion held precedence over others – no answer.
How can you expect other more intelligent well-read observers here to ask you harder questions?
What you seem to be looking for, is affirmation of your own perceived superhuman expertise in Islamic matters.
If you are as intelligent as you believe yourself to be, you would know how to get intelligent debate from other intelligent people.
Adam
October 23, 2013
Pak Yeh,
Still confused over the usage of the word? You should try to differentiate between the word itself and the meaning of the word. Like god, allah is also a noun. People then normally give respect and prominence to the words by giving them capital letters. You can then consider God and Allah as pronouns, would you not? And as God and Allah have been proven to be used by various communities, you just cannot prevent the words to be used by others even though they may have different perception of the words. Just as I know who my God is, I am sure you know who your Allah is.
Now, what Christians perceive their God/Allah to be, should not affect how you perceive your Allah. You could not possibly say that the Christians purposely call their god Allah to insult the Muslim god as this would tantamount to insulting their own god by calling Him a wrong name. Neither do Christians do that with the agenda to convert Muslims for the same reason. Think about it.
With regards to your issue with the Trinity, we have to agree to disagree. What we individually perceive our Almighty to be, will most likely be just only a fraction of what He actually is. We are like the blind men and the elephant, with each having their own perception depending on which part they touch and feel. We all could be partly right about our creator but who among us can claim to know Him fully?