Last Monday, RPK wrote in MToday that he had, in 2004, “attended the inaugural meeting of the Malaysian Civil Liberties Society (MCLS)…That was six years ago and after six years nothing further has happened. This is because the MCLS is still awaiting the approval of its registration”.
I, too, was at that inaugural meeting and to this day I remain a protem committee of the MCLS that awaits registration.
I have given up waiting on the registrar of societies.
I was therefore excited to read in RPK’s posting that this coming Saturday, 30th October, he will cause to be registered in the UK the Malaysian Civil Liberties Movement.
It’s objectives, as disclosed by RPK in his post, are :
- to promote and propagate the People’s Voice & the People’s Declaration to all political parties contesting the coming general election.
- to ‘offer’ non-political party candidates from amongst the Malaysian professionals/lawyers and the civil society movements to ALL the political parties contesting the general election that may either be short of candidates or are not able to find ‘quality’ candidates to field in the elections
In a post entitled ‘Why the mad scramble’ yesterday, RPK disclosed that the immediate focus of the MCLM is to engage the 3 Pakatan Rakyat parties in dialogues to try to convince them to change their system of candidate selection in the general and by-elections.This, RPK elaborates today in his ‘When you don’t trust your own people’ post, spotlighting two issues : first, which party gets to contest which seat and, second, the practice by political parties of naming candidates at the eleventh hour.
In three posts, RPK has summed up the concerns of so many of us about what is believed to be an imminent 13th GE that offers an opportunity displace BN from federal governance, and an opposition that does not look quite so ready to go to war and despatch BN to the Indian Ocean.
I received an e-mail last Monday inquiring if I would be willing to serve as the interim spokesperson for MCLM until this Saturday when they will officially appoint office bearers.
I replied in the affirmative, subject to getting clarification on one point. The first objective talks about making available civil society candidates to ALL parties. Did that include BN?
The reply I got was reassuring.
All non-BN parties.
I agreed to that request, for one reason only.
If you compare the objects of MCLM as disclosed by RPK with the much discussed Third Force, I think you will find little difference between the two.
Before I go any further, I want to observe and acknowledge here that many have expressed concerns and reservations about the ‘Third Force’ that has been mooted by many, myself included.
The concern has principally been about this ‘Third Force’ forcing three-corner fights in the 13th GE.
Maybe the very name, ‘Third Force’ conjures in the minds of many civil society forcing three-corner fights in the 13th GE, although I have in many posts emphasised that this is not the case.
Let me say it clearly now that that which I have been speaking of as the ‘Third Force’ is no different from the initiative and objectives that RPK now moots through the MCLM.
However, to placate the many concerned out there, let’s stop calling it the Third Force.
Let’s call it ‘Inisiatif Rakyat’ or simply IR.
Or any other name that any of you would care to suggest.
I agreed to serve as interim spokesperson in the hope that, in that capacity, I could try to get MCLM to serve as the platform by which we push forth IR or whatever name you want to call it, to make ready for the 13th GE.
Should we try?
I’d like to hear your thoughts on this.
lim
October 27, 2010
Hey harris
i knw politics is important but why aren’t you taking about the Astro Byond dish matter, is this not a case on public interest… imagine 3 million effected or fleeced monthly…. imagine RM80 x 3million a month =240million la a month, for services thats constant interrupted 200 odd days in a year, why???
Malaysia has over 200 days of rainfall, so Astro shod not charge us for 2 months a year ka ka ka or 5 months
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/av-asia-files-for-injunction-against-astro-unit/
shar101
October 27, 2010
Stay focus, Lim.
And switch off your Astro.
saloma
October 28, 2010
hey
That regenade is making sense, 200 days rain in Malaysia????
Wow, why am paying for all the Fups, shod they not discount us…. apa wang kit pick fm the tree…
shar101,,,, think bout it man/woman
Chong
October 28, 2010
Just unsubscribe Astro like I did.
My2cen
October 28, 2010
When we change the government, we can stop all these monopoly of cronies and fleecing of the rakyat. Otherwise everything will remain the same under BN – corruption, mismanagement, intimidation of the people while sucking the people dry. Same argument for safety, why are the police not patroling our residential areas and snatch-thefts, robberies, rapes allowed to happen everyday while they sip teh tarik at the mamak stalls? So much so that people have to create their own gated community guarded by Nepalis?? And unlike Astro, we cannot unsubscribe, we alread paid our taxes, but unfortunately, our safety is compromised. Then only thing left to do is change the government.
kwai fong
October 27, 2010
Yes, Haris, YES, YES, YES. Go for it, GO, GO, GO. I see hope for our people.
Love always
kwai fong,
Love you too.
Always
Yee
October 27, 2010
Yes, ‘Inisiatif Rakyat’, IR, or the People’s Initiative is a much better name.
The Third Force carries too much connotations of over against the 1st and the 2nd. But the People’s Initiative is about the people, it is about doing things that are self-evidently right. It is not about opposition or the play of opposites.
We should move away from the mode of anti-BN, or anti-anybody for that matter. We should be able to formulate actions that we can openly invite both PR and BN to participate in the most benign ways.
There are so much wrong in our country that I am sure most people who are associated with BN would welcome a positive change. Most people are stuck with the BN machinery because they was never an alternative – the civil servants, the police, the army personnels for example.
I am sure that IR will not be able to achieve much if we provoke opposition form BN every step of our way. Even RPK has expressed that he would come back to work with Najib to make 1Malaysia vision a reality. That should be the spirit.
There will always be people in power, people with skeletons in their closet, that will want to curtail and sabotage IR least we get too big and too powerful. But that’s another matter altogether.
kiawin
October 27, 2010
Yup, it will be exciting to see how it will affect the coming GE. I’m sure many more will be more relief to stand up and offer themselves as a candidate without the burden of adhering to a “party”, but just responsible to the Rakyats.
delcapo
October 27, 2010
IR also = Integrated Resort..
as if we need another reason – i’m in =]
Thomas
October 27, 2010
Hey Haris,
Sounds like a bloody good idea man and I say go for it. Don’t rush it though (although I know you can’t dilly dally either) and get the right people involved in the right capacity. However, excluding BN and their bag of tricks, I think you chaps might face a huge hurdle in the forms of PR and its component members. Despite being in the opposition,they are at heart political parties with their own turfs, egos, beliefs and most importantly, the desire to gain power. Some of these clowns have already tasted power and we can see the result, both good and bad to be fair. Anyways, I’m sure you know more than me what to do so all the best man.
And Lim, no offense mate, but the entire concept and modus operandi of Astro is a cekik darah operation since day 1. This is what happens when you have a protected monopoly who can damn well do what they bloody hell please. You can either go along with it, or don’t. Unless Astro faces some serious competition, don’t expect anything less from them.
Cheers,
thomas
Raymond
October 27, 2010
Dear Haris
I wish to clarify something, and it is something of concern. Looking at some of the comments raised in RPK’s blog, I do believe that it is of equal concern to many others.
Let me cut to the chase:- has Mahathir any interest in this initiative, weird as it sounds? I think most people know how you feel about the Malaysian politics godfather. But a quote from RPK re MCLM, has many wondering what does he mean:-
“This (ie MCLM), incidentally, is also Dr Mahathir’s objective, said Sanusi. So this is even more reason why Dr Mahathir should not block our effort since what we are attempting is something he too is talking about.”
I really can’t imagine the notion of a civil liberties’ movement and that, Mahathir is also “talking about” it. You might as well try to get oil & water to mix.
I agree with the idea of a 3rd force, not so much as to compete with Pakatan for votes, as it is with ensuring that stuff like People’s Declaration is indeed adhered to. And perhaps most important of all, to see the end of UMNO’s unmerited rule of Putrajaya.
I also agree if this strictly comprises only of groups that want to see UMNO/BN out. In other words, no mingling with any BN poddles, unless they are coming out of the unholy league themselves.
Perhaps you are in a better position to clarify this “mystery” on Mahathir.
Raymond,
I would rather severe my jugular vein than have anything to do with Dr M or any initiative of his.
This has nothing to do with him.
I hope this puts your concerns to rest
lynn
October 28, 2010
Raymond, me too, I will not trust Mahathir one bit. Thus I am greatly relieved to be assured that Haris is of the same view.
Irregardless of whatever name we call this ‘Third Force’, the time is right to go ahead as obviously Pakatan Rakyat is not ready to go with the People’s Voice and the People’s Declaration. Thus I support this initiative and will do whatever I can to show my support.
lynn,
Thank you
msbery
October 27, 2010
This IR is good in principle in that it serves as a moderator ( or conscience ) for the loose Pakatan Rakyat alliance.
While not trying to sound discouraging, the IR is burdened with a heavy responsibilty & requires exceptional resources for it to make any impact.
Question :
1. Why would PR bother to take your views into consideration ? After all they have Smart Alexs across the 3 dimensions, some having been in politics for close to half a century.
2. RPK seems to be the force behind it but he is not in the country.
3. Do you have the financial means to carry the coordination job ?
4. Who comprise your team ( the selection of which requires volunteers it would seem )
5. etc etc
The idea is good but implementation is next to impossible . Anyway I am listening
msbery,
You asked :
Why would PR bother to take your views into consideration ? – Because they will see grassroots amongst us
RPK seems to be the force behind it but he is not in the country.- RPK is not the force behind this. It is the rakyat. RPK is the brains.
Do you have the financial means to carry the coordination job ? – We will
Who comprise your team ( the selection of which requires volunteers it would seem ) – All will be known on good time.
Yes, please keep listening
msbery
October 28, 2010
Haris
Its good that you are an incorrigible optimist/idealist & have loads of self confidence. But you still need to be a realist. In broad national politics, money/capitalism is the lubricant/energizer/golden pot that works like magic, making things move and the world as we know it go round. The “end” is money the means is politics ( or a business endeavor as the case may be) , not the well being of the community ( public ) per se. “Good community deeds” are but a ” by the way tradeoffs/adjunct ” or shall we say just necessary tactics to help to achieve the ends, which is ultimately money & power.
Everyone is motivated by money & power.
Well being of the community ? The country ? Nah it is not so easy. It is an utopic dream.
Just making the public aware of the MCLM through this Blog is laudable, but I seriously doubt there will be any tangible effects coming out out this initiative. Firstly your loyal band of commentators are 99.9% armchair pundits. @and 2ndly what is the tangible benefit to them, other than watching Heroic efforts from RPK & yourself from a cyber distance ?
But its a good start
My2cen
October 28, 2010
“Firstly your loyal band of commentators are 99.9% armchair pundits. @and 2ndly what is the tangible benefit to them, other than watching Heroic efforts from RPK & yourself from a cyber distance?’
1. Armchair pundits or not, we are all voters. We effect changes at any elections.
2. We are looking for a meaningful change in the way the country is run, we have had enough of wastage from the UMNO PMs, and sacrifices from Haris and Co will be supported in more ways than you know.
We are not looking for contracts but progress and level playing fields in whichever career we chose or business we partake. Yes, it’s optimistic, and we’ll try to support it in whatever ways we can.
Kelana Jaya voter
My2cen,
Thank you
emastulen
October 28, 2010
Count me in Harris. You should have a site where interested Malaysians can register to be part of the MCLM. With that you can gauge how great the response will be.
emastulen,
Thank you.
Site coming soon
Shanker
October 28, 2010
Looking forward to the site. You have my support. Best regards
Gurcharan Singh
October 28, 2010
Dear Harris,
I have always believed in this following sentence…”Anything Is Possible” .
It is worth a try. You have my support.
Gurcharan,
Thank you
looes74
October 28, 2010
Harris,
Since we talk about Rakyat initiative, read this….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_to_the_People_(Yes,_Prime_Minister)
I would like to see if you guys would onto that Read Professor Marriot’s plan
looes74
October 28, 2010
I can’t hep it…..Big Brother is good…..Jeff Ooi has watched it & I believe Lim Guan Eng. I love the part that civil servants especially top ones being caller as Opposition in Residence
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/s1aMZ23UEm0/
aftermist
October 28, 2010
The likely dialogue between MCLM and PR;
MCLM : Guys and dolls with respect, you seem to have a problem choosing new candidates for the upcoming election. So let us help you with this.
PR : Any new candidates suggestion would be welcome to our party.
MCLM : We got a sophisticated vetting system that unravel jewels and rid of the unwanted worries about froggies. 24 carat for sure.
PR : Sounds good but…but the candidates should adhere to our party commitment.
MCLM : More clarity, please.
PR : You see..We definitely believe you can find us honest candidates better than us but the candidates must also toe the party line. In other word, a political savvy or kancil.
MCLM : You mean like Azmin.
PR : No, don`t even go there. In politics, one must understand a balance between agree to disagree and unanimously agreed decisions. We are afraid honest candidates selected by MCLM can get mulut cupar, aggressive and vote against policies in parliament…when we are in govt. in Malaysiajaya(Putrajaya).he..he..he
MCLM : Got it. So you don`t like Zaid types.
PR : No not him. He is still our Common Policy Framework champion.
MCLM : We understand your reservation but this can be resolved. Provide us your policies and where each component parties of the pact stand.
PR : What do you mean?
MCLM : You see in politics, there is something call `leaning`. In our calculation, PAS with hudud agenda is very much on the right, DAP too with Chinese domination is on the right and PKR is mishy mashy trashy bashy.
PR : We don`t get it.
MCLM : Ok pacifiers. Let us clarify this to you. There are 2 types of integration needed here.
1) Your Common Policy Framework into our vetting criteria or just pass your last minute selection criteria and we will integrate with ours. This is pissy.
2) This is the impossible bit. We need to further narrow down the candidates to suit your individual parties. We need to find an honest ulamak who believes in Hudud and chinese towkays for DAP and estranged candidates for PKR.
PR : Don`t mock us like this. We love you lot. Without you guys and the Hindraf Makkal, we can`t get to Malaysiajaya.
MCLM : Again we got solutions for this. Our candidates will be independents but under PR banner and has slight leaning towards your individual parties (though we can`t promise this)
PR : Sound fair to us but our parties can`t grow with your suggestion.
MCLM : Okay..okay no emotions please. We will provide you with the candidates and it is up to individual parties to canvass the candidates to join the parties or otherwise independent under PR banner.
DAP : Yes we need more Malays
PAS : Yes we need more Chinese and Indian Muslims
PKR : Yes we just pick whatever is left over.
MCLM : At last some sanity in you lot thinking.
Happy Ending Ever After.
semut api
October 28, 2010
Ha Ha Ha. I like the part where the PKR just pick whats left of the MCLM candidates after DAP and PAS have picked theirs. But the scary thought is this – would there be any MCLM candidates who would want to be picked by PKR ? Be serious man – a PKR run by the 3A axis is a frightening time bomb waiting to explode.
jahamy
October 28, 2010
Bro,
Salam. Inisiatif Rakyat or Harapan Rakyat or Gerakan Rakyat sounds better. Third Force has mutated into many meanings.
Salam
Banne
October 28, 2010
Harris you’ve my full support. Anything good for Malaysia. Keep up the great work!
Redhuan D. Oon
October 28, 2010
This may be the turning point of Malaysian Politics. Imaginative too to circumvent the ROS via UK. Bravo RPK and to Haris for championing this too.
kjjohn
October 28, 2010
Intent must be clear. Go for “IR” in dialogue with PKR for the 13th GE but keep options open to reevaluate all after that!
rajan
October 28, 2010
A very good idea.
At least we could get some humans in the race.
LETS ROLL ON THIS PROJECT.
Kapt(B)
October 28, 2010
I not a politician although am a member of the opposition but looking at the trends now as describe by YM RPK I fully support the idea whatever name you want to call it as long as we reached the objective in giving the people whatever has been left behind by the *robbers*.May Allah swt blessed all of you for your efforts and initiatives.Assalammualikum.
Navi
October 28, 2010
A good idea. I am for this ‘Initiatif Rakyat’. Lets go for it.
shakuntala
October 28, 2010
Yes, rather IR which rings truer to the goal for CHANGE,that we are collectively as a People, are after.
For after all …governments are of the People, by the People, for the PEOPLE.
The word Ra’ayat added on is near and dear the idea that we are approaching the initiative to bring about CHANGE with a common purpose, common will, common good, common interest….most important of all common action laced with sound common judgement.
Then we will be a PEOPLE wholesome, strong and together to seek, find and not yield, until we achieve the CHANGE.
Sorry I’m verging on being rather passionate and am giving this initiative a sacred flavour, but if we talk about COMMON ACTION, we need to have a special zeal.
WE must not forget our Youth…because it is their era and they should be in the forefront if we are to succeed using their fire and energy.
Haris yes…..go, go, go!!!
“In the world’s broad field of battle,
Be not like dumb driven cattle.”
Reina
October 28, 2010
So glad this is going to take off. Thanks, Haris. Count me in please – will try to help in any way I can.
May I suggest “Kuasa Rakyat” instead of Initiatif Rakyat.
Bobby
October 28, 2010
I just hope all these effort will get us better candidates for the next GE.
Sure, there are a FEW good people with the real intention of serving the people, BUT the majority of MPs we have seem intent to be enriching themselves only.
RastamanJB.
October 28, 2010
Bro Haris,
Roll It Out….let’s try keep dem fools aware of our voices.If it, at least, can curtail the leaps of the froggies….so much the better.
Cheers
RastamanJB.
anak melayu
October 28, 2010
Third Force or no, I think the optiosn we have is a long slow road to corruption free govt or a quick but drastic action…what I dunno
BTW ini ada artikel tentang pelan transformasi ekonomi Kelantan, ada orang kata too ambitious… please comment
Pelan Transformasi Ekonomi Kelantan
americk sidhu
October 28, 2010
Dear Haris,
At last a light at the end of the tunnel.
As I have said previously, where are we going to get 200 to 500 good men and women willing to sacrifice everything for King and Country ?
I am talking about those who are ready willing and able to immediately begin going to the ground and making themselves known as future Parliamentarians and Aduns to their respective and potential constituents.
We need to garner and vet these personalities right now. There is really no time to waste as we cannot wait for a second chance as it may never come.
Please share with me your ideas and your strategies in harnessing all this latent energy out there so I may assist in any way I can.
Cheers and keep up the good work.
Americk
marie chan
October 28, 2010
Go for it bro haris. I was shot down when it was first
mooted in MT and supported it full heartedly.
IR is a good name.
When you need help, just sound us, funds, admin etc.
Its now time to start moving.
Lets all thrash the regime to kingdom come.
Start rocking malaysians.
Pls take care.
Mohd Kalidas
October 28, 2010
Harris, as in my previous comments, i am al for this third force if you need people to work with you let me know as I am interested to serve. Been waiting long for this 3rd force as the second force is not efective constant kataks, in-fighthings and questionable candidates.
rgds
Mohd
PH Chin
October 28, 2010
Harris, GO FOR IT !
The Third Force is becoming more relevant by the days.
The voice of the peace loving, truth seeking and responsible ‘rakyat’ must be heard loud and clear.
Gunnfan
October 28, 2010
‘Ris, sounds like a plan. Let’s do it.
AgreeToDisagree
October 28, 2010
IR as in IR Baboon? You’re starting to sound suspiciously BN, especially if you remember when BN called DAP and PAS a pairing between a Baboon and Dog. I prefer 3rd Force.
However please note the below 2 links’ suggested criteria and confirm if the facebook group is Third Force too???
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=118236808233215&topic=54
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=15643
Also :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
I’m tired of having 3rd World governance. 3rd force had better address all the above or there will be little to look forward to if Pakatan becomes like BN without someone ready to challenge them.
cruzeiro
October 28, 2010
Haris,
Go for it bro.
It is no more a question of “what if?” – the “3rd force”, “IR”, “MCLM” or whatchamacallit is Imperative- if we want a change in our political culture.
However, I’d suggest that the candidates you choose be a little more idealistic- in that they are willing to support an opponent when the “non-BN” parties are talking crap.
Anyways- my guess is that Anwar would try to insist that they join one or other of the PR guys sooner or later …. just so that they can be “leashed”. But that’s a different story ….
Go for it bro ….
Parli-Man
October 28, 2010
This movement is a great idea however i have concerns over one matter. As much as I feel that screening the candidate and announcing the name early for the rakyat to know is a wonderful idea and should have been implemented eons ago but we must understand that we are living in bolehland run by hoodlums masquerading as cops etc and the entire govt/BN machinery which will make sure no stones are left unturned in vetting the PR announced candidates and making sure they do not end up on polling day etc. Anything is possible even candidates can go missing or get kidnapped. So I hope this issue can be debated and solutions be found.
Parli-Man
October 28, 2010
On another note Haris, in case i missed out, did Zaid declare to be a Malaysian first ?
Parli-Man,
As far as I know, no.
KC Tan
October 28, 2010
Hi Haris,
Yes, I would like to join in this MCLM movement.
How about calling it; People’s Movement? just a thought only!
kctan
ICIT
October 28, 2010
Hi
What the land need is to elect a Supreme Imam under Hudud law to cut the tongue of the mamak and chop off the hands of Najis.
My2cen
October 28, 2010
Haris,
OK, this should be the way to go!
If people have so many interpretations of 3rd Force, let’s just call it People’s Force for a truly People’s Parliament. Gerakan Rakyat sounds nice, but sounds too similar to the dying Koh Tsu Koon’s Gerakan.
Question: What if Pakatan/PKR insists to go for it even tho’ they’re fielding a rotten apple? Like in Batu Sapi? I know I’m sounding like a batu api now, but just think it through if this movement will still field a candidate in this scenario.
My2cen,
If I have my way, it will.
However, I hope to get this movement to work on consensus.
I will certainly speak up for offering the voter an alternative if the opposition is obstinate in fielding someone who is plainly rotten.
sampalee
October 28, 2010
We must wake up to the reality of politicians.They are all hypocrite looking for a free ride.It may be very troublesome for the third force to make a bridgehead on its own,but still it has to be done.Pairin have done it with PBS at the right time and place.
Selagor is ripe for candidate from civil societies.A revamp Gerakan will be more sincere to work as equal partner with the third force.RPK can do it as to many he is Tuhan’s candidate.
lumut
October 28, 2010
We can see impressive raising of both hands for pledging the donations and heartening words of encouragement !
We remember all the super petitions of yore an example of which was one trying to stop Najib from becoming PM among others ( naive petitions to the Agong on this & that, not knowing that the Agong was one of the “top enemies” of the Rakyat ! ).
This MCLM is too late for GE13 IMHO, but may be possible for GE14. Having & organising the resources to make a difference to the Candidates List will require a supreme effort from focussed sincere volunteers. I do not see this group of concerned able Malaysians at this present time. We have been too comfortable and only rise to our feet when something personal happens, otherwise “who cares” !.
AgreeToDisagree
October 29, 2010
Who says too late? Anytime, anyone can step forward and put themselves up as candidate. The existing ones with experience just need to give the newcomers a SOP to follow regards the EC red tape.
This is a party for independent minded people aor anyone with a mind of their own. MCLM will be able to churn forth and eventually even fun hundreds of independents to challenge any b.s. candidates with vested interests or intending to form olifarchy and nepotism.
If not a plot cooked up by an IM Weasel somewhere on the inside, MCLM will be perfect to get rid of the politicians of the day and their alliances are too suspicious and YES to idealism and asset declarations!
That way we will not end up with former proxies from either BN or the rotten apples in PR. Once more – say no to OLIGARCHY and PLUTOCRACY! Say yes to :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
This will be the most democratic party in the history of the world if it’s properly executed!
Aristotle Smart
October 28, 2010
All Hot Air ?
Looks that way to me. You have a monumental task ahead if you really proceed to set this thing up ! Much like a full fledged NGO ! To make it happen, you have to get the right
1. personnel
2. finance
3. place
then manage it properly ( most difficult), then finally who does this People’s “NGO” report to ?
the Rakyat ? ( back to square 1 )
AgreeToDisagree
October 29, 2010
At least 70% of the people in MCLM can self finance, and are well and willing to articipate in this EQUAL CITIZEN’S political party. Those who can’t self finance may be screened for suitability before some of our well heeled 3rd forcers give them a hand up. They are after all our own citizens who are intent on making Malaysia better.
We have examples from all WRONG models and failures and know exactly what not to do and who not to involve. It’s not hot air, and like I said make those 15000 deposits into 15.00.
ANY and EVERYONE will be able to run then. There will be no ‘power’ in the politicians too if the below is implemented as part of 3rd Force governance paradigms :
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=15643
This sort of government will be even more inclusive and attractive because of the 3 items as well, it will attract all fence sitting minorities as well as be able to collaborate with existing parties that are not racist in nature or that seek a better government, even while Islamic factions will also have their own districts.
What would you prefer instead, dictatorship and ISA or Ops Lallang? Lets get MCLM ready before GE13!
blakestberries
October 29, 2010
This so called MCLM is like a dream, a sort of utopia where good triumphs over evil.
Yet again, where do I place this MCLM – is it a political party ? Is it a society ? Is it an Association ? What is it really ?
Who manages it & who is it accountable to ?
Probably will end up like nearly all dreams, as a nightmare.
BaronV
October 28, 2010
“Should we try?” – absolutely!
how can those of us not living in malaysia atm – but intending to return in the intermediate but definate future get involved?
BaronV,
Watch out for news here and on MT.
KL
October 29, 2010
Go for it, Harris! May God bless you!
tan ah kow
October 29, 2010
RPK & Haris are the people behind this MCLM.
Who will be its supporters ( anti BNs ) ? Who is its sponsors ( Pakatan or readers of RPK/Haris Blogs ? How will the “supporters” support this initiative ? Financially ? Providing manpower ? Becoming non paying members ? Volunteers ? Promotional activities ? How ? when ? How to ?
So many questions , so few answers !
This MCLM thingy sounds like a blast from the Sumatra haze, with ho head or tail just blurry blur because there is no tangible figurehead with the power & the influence being a volunteer service ( as I think it is ) … in other words do we have a big tycoon/VIP or political heavyweight/or a superman behind it ?
If got then lets talk
AgreeToDisagree
October 29, 2010
It is exactly that. Something that is made up of the people alone, no superman but sharp judgments and prohibitions on things like nepotism and oligarchy or vested interests and non-separation of powers. This is likely ADVANCED DEMOCRACY in formation towards UTOPIA. The superman heavy weight paradigm is dead. Face the faceless Rakyat who will be replaced by endless numbers to end the hegemony of CULTS OF PERSONALITY or CULTS OF OLIGARCHY.
Power will dilute into that haze where every particle as in Nebulae are needed to form a new Universe of endless possibility . . . who needs APARTHEID and your laws against equitable distribution of wealth and lands among Mankind?
Apply MAXIMUM wage based on national GDPs for a start . . . nations in deficits should expect nary a bonus and minimal maximum salaries, to the empowerment of the economy and the people rather than the PLUTOCRACY and the politician . . .
salim
October 29, 2010
IR or Third Force, what’s the difference? Are you guys naive or just plain stupid? Can’t you smell anything stinking when you hear the likes of Sanusi and Mahathir being supportive of this idea. This is what they have been waiting for since March 2008! First UMNO buys and/or threatens Pakatan MPs to cross over. Then the so called “independents” start badmouthing their former parties, making all sorts of unsubstantiated accusations. Then the UMNO controlled media blasts away everyday on Pakatan weaknesses and “inside information” on their internal cracks and fissures. Now, they keenly support the Third Force in order to hopefully seal Pakatan’s fate in the next general elections.
If the third force candidates are clean, honest and dedicated professionals who will only stand in constituencies in which Pakatan has continuously lost, what are they waiting for? Why do they need Pakatan’s blessings? Why don’t they just go tomorrow and start helping the people in those constituencies? So what if they later stood in 3-cornered fights and lost? Are they interested in serving the people or are they just looking for posts, which is precisely what they are accusing Pakatan of?
AgreeToDisagree
October 30, 2010
I saw a commentator asking Haris if dr.Evil was involved. I think Haris said something like he’d cut his jugular than associate with dr.Evil in response. It IS very confusing when the worst names are mentioned though. Even in Loyar Burok site they were saying something about MCLM but seemed to falter, worryingly.
Maybe this will be something to watch out for and all creeps from either coalition or any b.s. camp must be dropped, but it will be impossible to fake the nature of a policy or intention towards the people like in the below that made me suspect Guan Eng and DAP, become aware of NEPOTISM and OLIGARCHY :
Compensation for Rep’s Kin – by Sunday Star – 18th APR 2010
http://hi-in.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=13447
The Gambier Threat – Mid 2010
http://jeremiahfoo.com/?p=5887&cpage=1#comment-100231
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=14724
The column that wasn’t – Marina Mahathir – 3rd March 2010
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=13433
I hope Haris M Ibramim or even RPK will not be an IM Weasel fronting some crooks on either side at the end of it all (read up on NWO, ionism and Illuminati, Taib and Canada and be very wary of those types, esepecially with their mixed kids and mixed loyalties even though RPK himself is indispensible to at least THIS segment of 3rd Force, be very prepared for treachery coming from very far behind), his ‘People’s Manifesto’ seems to indicate he is alright though . . .
John John
November 1, 2010
RPK is a semi-literate educated beyond his intelligence. What does he know about civil liberties?
AgreeToDisagree
November 6, 2010
I’d like to think the reverse was true of others without access to education, and yet the country, the wealth of the world and the lands of the world are the collective property of humanity.
Civil liberties are an artificial civilisational construct that were congregated into the Human Rights Charter we have today. Everyone comes under the Charter especially the signatory nations’ citizens and being a 1 page document, is not too difficult to understand.
Could you however rise above the level of seeking wealth to higher things? Study the Charter and learn what Civil Liberties are. You won’t regret it.
My2cen
November 2, 2010
Ai ya, why does it take 90 days for the website to be set-up? Too slow la. Need to get moving now.
Anyway, what kind of membership does it offer? I hope it will charge for membership. Admin fees + yearly membership fees. Also offer whole-life membership. IF UMNO send in their trojan, at least take the membership fees first. Never mind if and when they leave, we kebas the duit first. We need funds for the election campaign!