By Farida Ibrahim
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Dear Haris,
Please allow me space on your blog.
On March 14, 2008, you ran my article ‘How Bosses Behave Badly’ –
I had felt compelled to write then because barely had the March 8 Election Tsunami euphoria ended, and Pakatan’s component parties begun working to settle state positions, albeit with bickering amongst them, there then erupted dissident voices among many of your commentators.
Wild accusations were made about certain successful Pakatan candidates, moans and groans were expressed because the parties didn’t seem to be able to get their act together. The most strident voices belonged to those who regretted voting for the Opposition. They wanted BN back!
And this about-turn took place in less than a week after Election Day!
It tells us much about the character, loyalty and maturity of some of the people writing in to your blog. They gave BN decades but they could not give Pakatan even 2 weeks to sort out matters.
Today, many commentators are walking that same road, expressing an anger akin to that in 2008.
This time it is levelled against RPK for what he had said or is presumed to have said in his interview with TV3, and against you, Haris, for not distancing yourself from him.
Scandalous, unsubstantiated accusations that you both have been bought over by BN/ Mahathir, demonizing, slurs, verbal threats – they’re all there.
Sadly, those who made cuts in the interview and masterminded the spin, – TV3 and its political masters – have been let off lightly.
These evildoers must be celebrating because their scheme worked – good people, bewildered and petrified by what had unfolded, swallowed the poison and turned against both RPK and you.
Like the others, I too think it was a dumb, foolhardy thing for RPK to do – to agree to that interview.
Whether or not he took a calculated risk that backfired, whether or not this was his way of resurrecting the Altantuya tragedy because he did make a vow to her father that he would not rest till justice was served – who knows? Only he does.
But I do know one thing. RPK, more than any other Malaysian, opened my eyes to what really was going on in our country – politically, economically, socially, locally and nationally.
My own awakening about political processes, our fundamental rights etc. came about through reading and digesting his writings and yours, Haris. For that I am deeply grateful.
RPK’s courage in standing up to the authorities spilled over onto those of us who had become thirsty for change, and so began our greater participation in public life – from taking part in the Penguin walk, the Bersih rally, the anti-ISA rallies, the candlelight vigils, etc.
Today, reading again and again the sullying of your names in public space, the mocking language used against MCLM, I cannot help but wonder why our good people are stuck in this time warp of cursing RPK and you.
The TV3 interview was screened pre-16th March and we are now two weeks hence, yet many of your commentators are unable to move on.
Why?
Who are your commentators today? I’d say they can be categorized as follows:
a) pro-BN supporters who think they can now have a field day playing hell with the minds of readers, pitting them against you two;
b) pro-Pakatan supporters, particularly from PKR, who want to punish you because you wrote and exposed a lot of things about their divisional elections and put PKR in a tight spot by asking for explanations from Anwar and Azmin and these were not forthcoming;
c) cyber troopers paid to do their worst, create havoc and divide the Opposition front and its allies so that the BN regime can continue to rule, and mind you, it is actually only UMNO running the country;
d) decent and sincere readers who write from an anger borne of deep disappointment and some, from a sense of betrayal.
It is, really, only the last category that I am concerned about. The others, I would say, are just bent on maintaining or wresting power and so subject themselves to blind obedience to party demands, and not to the principles of justice, fairplay, truth, integrity and accountability.
So, let me say this to your decent and sincere readers/commentators:
Good People, just take a step back and examine your own hearts and motives re. this entire episode. And while you are doing that, evaluate honestly what you yourselves have done to rescue this country from politicians hell-bent on driving us down into the ground.
Have you walked the distance like RPK and Haris have? What is your own track record? Or are you merely in the grandstands, cheering them on to do what you shield yourselves from doing?
And for one mistake RPK makes – giving that interview to the enemy– you crucify both him and Haris?
You are unforgiving towards them but can tolerate what ruthless BN does, day in and day out.
Really, do you know what you have done?
You’ve given BN what it wanted. You’ve fallen into its trap – just like RPK did.
TV3 and its masters served you poison, Good People, and you swallowed it.
They wanted you to desert two men who have stood up against so much wrongdoing.
You did.
They wanted you to mock these two men, tarnish their reputation.
You did.
And in doing this for BN, you damned yourselves.
What do I mean?
Look at the top of the page. It says, ‘The People’s Parliament’.
This blog is symbolically your Parliament and mine.
Everything we’ve ever wanted our Malaysian Parliament to be, in every way we’ve wanted our politicians to behave, we must first demonstrate that in ourselves here.
We must be the catalyst, the statesmen and stateswomen we want our politicians to be.
We must be that heart and mind, voice and spirit of integrity and accountability we want others to possess
But look at what we demonstrate on this blog.
Venom is spewed. Pathetic arguments are the common offerings. People mock each other. Disrespect flows. Name-calling is common. Words are used to belittle, wound and destroy.
Where is the finesse, the maturity of thought, the substantiated arguments, the respect for one another, the articulation for nation-building?
Some people give pseudonyms because real names would jeopardize their jobs or families. That’s fine, but to use pseudonyms so that they can revel in vile words?
Do we build people up or pull them down?
So, are we any different from the current crop of parliamentarians, the likes of Nazri, Bung Mokhtar, Najib and his whole cabinet?
Can we honestly say we are people of integrity, accountable for everything we say and do?
And can we get out of this time-warp and trap we have entered into? Yes.
How? Recognize the enemy got us, pick ourselves up, acknowledge we fell from grace. Then move on.
Haris and RPK have. They’ve said what they needed to say and they’re back to working the ground, with or without you, to get this nation on track.
So what do you intend to do?
Close ranks?
Stand up and fight the common cause?
Or do you still want to stay imprisoned in that time-warp, wallow in unforgiveness and continue to swallow BN’s poison.
The choice is yours, Good People.
I leave you with this wise saying:
“People grow through experience if they meet life honestly and courageously. This is how character is built.” – Eleanor Roosevelt.
The People's Parliament 
tan may ling
May 3, 2011
Clap, clap, clap…….
ken
May 3, 2011
Well said Farida. It’s tempting however to believe that RPK had been “enticed” considering that many Malaysians, in particular the motley bunch of so called bosom friends of Anwar who sold their souls when his 16 September takeover of Putrajaya did not pan out.The stakes are high in Malaysia as the country is rich in resources and UMNO/BN is not about to give up their plundering ways.Hope RPK and Haris remain true to their respective struggle,tough as it may be.
wandererAUS
May 3, 2011
“Men’s actions reflect on what they are worth” Just have a look at Rocky Bru or shall I call him Datuk Croc!
Did he not used the commentators (bloggers) to climb his social and professional ladder?…Haris, tell me RPK is different?
We have the right to know, we stood by him…..
lizziewong
May 3, 2011
What social and professional ladder u are talking about? Perhaps u meant the short stint at Kemunting? I think, after all that RPK had done for the good of the nation, do you rationally think he will sell out now? And, honestly, for all that he had gone through, if he should give up the fight and become a turn coat, I would still not ‘curse’ him like so many others… Please keep the faith, and keep our eyes on the goal!! Dont judge, lest ye be judged, people!!
Amus
May 8, 2011
That’s a rather strange demand.
Many years ago when internet just started out I defended PAS as a party that is moderate and sensible. I was literally bomb-barded with accusations and much later what I wrote, openly with my name, was used as the basis of accusing me of being a terrorist sympatheser. In truth all I had done was speak out openly and loudly against umno.
All these took place in soc.culture.malaysia and later in real life where I had being badly maligned.
I did it NOT BECAUSE of PAS but because it was the truth as I saw it and because it was right.
A few years later when Anwar’s dismissal and accusation of sodomy became the storm that rocked the nation I again defended Anwar on the internet. I did it not because of Anwar but because it was the truth as I saw it and that was the right thing to do. If Anwar later turn out to be the scum of the earth and that was the truth as I saw it I will again speak up against him. Because it was the right thing to do.
Interestingly inspite of my years of argueing against umno’s ways (actually started with ning baizura’s belly button ;-)) I was accused of being a trojan in almost all the pakatan blog I visited. There was a group of idiots who thought that they needed to cloth everyone in their warped and twisted mind set of how we should all behave. Anything bad said against pakatan is met with punitive manipulation(behind people’s back) and inane accusation. It was during the Kg.Buah pala’s incident where these idiot dugged up my identity and went to town to smear it. Actually umno group of gangster is already doing a very good job of it.
At the end of the day PKR’s behaviour itself was so atrocious that very little credibility was left. Granted quite a few of its high ranking officers were either bought, manipulated or were just outright trojans but anwar and his group of merry-men responses did not help either. He could have done it so much better.
PAS and DAP are now constantly being attacked and that’s not right. This is umno’s brand of politics and it tears at the gut of the rakyat. This is not right.
As for RPK and Haris, they are just fallible human. Why do you feel happy when they attack your pet enemy and sad when they do something that riled your sensitivity ? If you stand by what is the truth and what is right you will never be disappointed. If you stand by people with high expectations you will always be let down. Moving away from personality cult towards basic principles of life is part of growing up and maturing. You need a bit of both at this point in time.
Don
May 3, 2011
Blimey, this is typical and pathetic display of misguided thinking. What you are basically saying is to give RPK and Harris a 2nd chance.
I think they have had one too many already. The last straw, for RPK, is the TV3 interview, where he criticized Anwar, and making it obvious that RPK considers his feud with Anwar as personal. RPK was taking revenge against Anwar, thereby giving BN a golden opportunity to run down Anwar. The last straw for Harris was when said that he considers MCLM as a father figure, that is downright insulting.
Who gavethe men the rights to represent us? Just because Harris made a couple statements in public, he thinks he he a right to represent us? Just because RPK ran away to the UK, does he think that he has a right to represent us? He ran away to protect himself and to have a better life, not to help you and me.
Was there ever an election where these two were elected as our representatives? Just because Harris calls his blog as “The People’s Parliament”, he becomes our representative? Parliament is a place for elected representatives, not self appointed ones’
This is not a darts games, it’s a high stakes game of politics, well, it’s like having a gun with only one bullet, and if you shoot without thinking, you loose and you loose big time. And you are out.
Farida, do you think that we are silly not to have considered the points that you have raised, before we made up our minds? RPK has never given anyone any chances, first or otherwise, he went for the kill straight away. Why then, should be given any chances.
I think those that oppose BN are better off without RPK and Harris. RPK is too much into himself and Harris is too much into RPK.
They are not useful to any team.
I half suspect that Harris wrote this article himself.
Msian
May 3, 2011
Nobody it forcing you to side RPK or Haris. You are free to do what you like, but don’t run people down. Like Farida said, people are willing to let BN run the country down time and again, but for RPK and Haris, one wrong move, they are dead meat. Is it fair?
Don
May 3, 2011
You call that running down? I thought I was being too kind. WOW, a little criticism and all RPK’s and Harris’ supporters go crazy. Did you notice no one answered my questions? All you want for me to do is, ‘treat RPK and Harris as you consider them, heroes, without having fought and won a war’.
I am not pro BN, indeed I hate the corrupt BN Govt, but I am against people like RPK, whose untruths we have tolerated for so long and Harris’ condescending attitude.
Read and re-read what I have written, to repeat, just one point that I have made, I think that it’s wrong for RPK to make Anwar his personal target and exact revenge. And Harris is helping him to do that.
Anwar is not perfect and I am not his blind supporter but he is the best we got. As it is, it is already difficult to hold together a coalition of even like minded people and Anwar has held together a coalition of very powerful and sometimes individualistic personalities, which I think is admirable. Let’s help the PR coalition and not make it worse for them. If we do not topple BN at the next GE, we may not have another chance for another opportunity like this, ever. And that is my beef.
bc
May 3, 2011
You are unkind. So, what you are saying is Harris and RPK ought to champion the cause by saying only what please us?
Sir, they have elected to pursue a struggle with the end in mind that happens to overlap ours. But they are free agents not bound by anyone. They can state their views without shackles. Like you are too.
I think they have done a good job.
Many who spew venom in cyberspace at the hint of non-compliance to their expectations are “armchair warriors”. They often fall into the same habitual rut of name calling and labeling at what they perceive as ‘betrayal’. Most are also guilty of sub-contracting the fight to people like RPK and Harris. So their ’employees’ must not falter, or they will fall on these poor guys. Who gave them the right, they wouldn’t tell?
Pleaselah, Don, your enemies are not RPK or Harris. And Faridah Ibrahim also gets into your cross-hair now, eh? I know her to be a well respected writer of the old school who has no malicious bone in her body. And she’s been in this business of reasoned thinking for a long time. So, no need to snarl at herlah wei.
And to RPK, Harris and Farida, you don’t need me to defend you guys either. But I just had to say what I want to say.
Don
May 3, 2011
Unkind? Sheesh, you think this a game of carroms? You sound like my aging granny, who often says, “kesian dia lah cucu”. Welcome to the real woorld Sir. This is a fight for a nation, a nation that BN has controlled for far too long. And as I said, RPK and Harris are making it too easy for the BN.
I have never said that RPK and Harris should only do what pleases “us”. There is, however, a general consensus to follow and fit in. And they both know what it is.
It’s they who have elected to pursue a struggle, that is their own choice, no one forced it upon them. However, when they sabotage PR, then they must be told that what they are doing is hurting PR and is not the preferred strategy of all. Harris claiming that MCLM is like a father figure is just not on, most definitely not.
You Sir, can think that they are doing a good job, and no one is asking you to think otherwise.
You call this venom? This is being kind to them, and I am not a BN cyber trooper, far from it.
I have never considered RPK and Harris as my enemies, your enemies do not try and make you think and correct yourself, he allows you to continue making mistakes, because your mistakes benefit him.
The moment Farida writes and article and publishes it in the public domain, she takes the risk of being criticized, or otherwise, just as I am being criticized, for what I wrote in the public domain. If she can’t take the criticisms, she should just stay at home and be the compliant housewife or daughter.
shar101
May 3, 2011
‘Don’ have spoken or rather, written.
Does ‘Don’ have a face and real name plus a documented history attached to his/her(?) assertions?
I know Haris, RPK and Farida are real people in real life and I also know where they’re coming from.
Which includes knowing how Farida would write her stuff that Haris cannot emulate, even if he tried.
Sooo .. who’s ‘Don’? Another lame accuser with nothing better to do but bluster away on TPP. Plastic warriors are a dime a dozen lah woi!
Stay tune for the next episode of – Who can we believe if it’s not ‘Don’.
You too, ‘Don’.
Don
May 3, 2011
Sir, your stupidity is too obvious. I don’t need a CV to criticize what’s in the public domain, everyone knows that.
YOU know RPK, Harris and Farida, YOU know where they are coming from, YOU know that they are real life people, YOU are convinced that that are wonderful people, YOU know that they are doing they right thing, etc. However Sir, it’s not about YOU, is it? It’s about a nation, our nation, and RPK and Harris and sabotaging the hard work of other people and working independently,and that is surely not right.
You are allowing your stupidity and hated to rule your emotions, when you write. Your comment has no substance for me to provide a reasonable argument.
People like you are just fit to hold candles and watch, whilst others’ argue using reason and facts.
Please, please keep your stupidity to yourself.
Msian
May 3, 2011
This Don guy is trying to get some cyber attention. Pls, guys, ignore him, he seems to enjoy the attention, don’t you see, he’s glue to the computer and responding to everyone who comments on his remarks.
lizziewong
May 3, 2011
None of us need a cv or qualification to comment here… but we should avoid passing rude remarks or launch personal attacks, etc against rpk or harris. For me personally, before one launch a critique, it is helpful to do a self check and ask, what have I done to fight injustice, what is my contribution to bring about better governance etc? Perhaps, pause to compare one’s own contribution next to what rpk or harris had done would be a reasonable thing to do?
Padma
May 3, 2011
Well, your “half” suspicion is wrong.
Thanks for the reminder, Farida.
Don
May 3, 2011
If my ‘half suspicions’ wrong, I do offer my profound apologies, to Farida and Harris, in the same forum that I voiced my suspicions.
just another malaysian
May 3, 2011
Getting yourself quite worked up arent you? I wonder why ? all this desperate frantic effort to bring the diatribe back to RPK and Harris, and now resorting to making sexist remarks..alienating all self respecting women who read this. I bet you can’t resist digging youself a greater hole by attacking my comment too..
dismayed
May 3, 2011
what if we don’t believe Anwar is the best we’ve got?
Sean
May 4, 2011
“What if we don’t believe Anwar is the best we’ve got?”
You remember the ending of 1978’s Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, right?
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
If you believe Anwar isn’t the best we’ve got, you’ve got all your rights to believe whatever you want to believe.
You can believe all you want, as long as you do not shove your believe into other people’s throat and expect others to follow you blindly.
What RPK and Haris are doing is just that, they believe that they are better than Anwar, that they can do better than Anwar, that they are the “FATHER” of Anwar, LGE, Karpal, combined.
RPK and Haris can go on believing whatever they wanna believe, but they ain’t gonna get the chance to make us, the Rakyat believe in them.
CT
May 3, 2011
I still believe in RPK and Haris.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
Congratulations !
You have just gained two “FATHERS” !!
Epimenides
May 3, 2011
Haris’ problem is that this medium does not connect him to his natural constituency. Racism, fraud, bribery and other forms of expediency are effective short-term means of increasing one’s wealth in Malaysia. The ability to post comments in English online is often determined in Malaysia by one’s adaptation to, accommodation and adoption of those methods.
Haris and RPK enjoyed a brief honeymoon of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”-type expediency. It’s hard to come by heroes of expediency, so RPK was heaven-sent. That honeymoon is now over and Haris and RPK are consigned to the wilderness (in terms of ‘the social Web’) by those who were prepared to laud them as long as they appeared to propagate the online constituency’s values.
There is an option of course – they can always do what Kula did and allow some of the Pakatan Rakyat eternal emperors to hoist their hands high on stage to wild acclaim from the dining supporters. I strongly suspect the faces of ‘the lost sheep who returned to the fold’ would once again fail to tell the same story.
The MCLM plan of ‘selecting candidates for PR’ was always a dreadful mix of wishful thinking, elitism, expediency which could only ever increase the monopolisation of the opposition space. I think Haris, RPK and those apparently decent candidates they have turned up so far must enter politics on their own platform and contest seats as a distinct democratic option.
I don’t share the author’s ‘good people’ optimism. Good is not the force at work here; it’s expediency. You fail to demonstrate filial piety at your extreme peril. Surely you’ll find some other Malaysians who desire something else? Perhaps there will be few among the online constituency.
shar101
May 3, 2011
Don’t get tangled up in your illogical logic, Epimenides.
Lest a Cretan becomes a Cretin instead.
Oh yeah, good people who continually carry out the work of expediency for the betterment of the nation must be errr … good people, aren’t they?
RPK has become a turncoat
May 3, 2011
Democracy does come with its own peril.
And seasoned players of pseudo democratic system, such as UMNO, know how to turn the game to their favor.
MCLM is but yet. another. game. front. of. UMNO.
Remember HINDRAF ?
Rahman Hyder
May 3, 2011
@Don
maybe it would be better if you could state examples of rpk and haris saying something which is not true or doing something against their stated principles.
methinks don is too much into don.
Don
May 3, 2011
Sir, go and re-read my articles. “Their Principles”, is not the issue.
You are too damn dumb to read and understand, that is not my fault.
If I am into myself, it is only self destructive, not destructive of a millions’ of peoples’ hard work.
Do your own work.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 3, 2011
Who are spreading the venomous lies?
Haris Ibrahim and RPK.
One does it through his blog, and the other spread it through his blog _and_ TV3.
Haris, congratulation !
From now on, you are in the same category as the infamous “Datuk T”.
farida
May 3, 2011
Don,
You said :”I half suspect that Harris wrote this article himself.” And your substantiated argument for this statement?
There you go!
Are you implying I do not exist?
I think it is you who are pathetic. Neither Haris nor RPK claimed to represent us. They wrote. They educated. And when the going got tough in public space, they showed up. But they never claimed to represent. Give me your evidence.
You say Haris made a couple of statements in public. Only a couple? Where have you been all this time?
Look at your words: misguided thinking, suspect…
You’re an Anwar man, for sure.
And you’re too much into yourself.
“Farida, do you think that we are silly…” – In a word,Don, re my opinion of you – “Yes”.
Don
May 3, 2011
My “half suspicions” were corrected, and I have apologized and I shall leave it at that.
Of course RPK and Harris claimed to represent “us”. They wrote, but they didn’t educate. And there is no such thing as ‘when’ the going ‘got’ tough, it’s always been tough.
And you say they have never claimed to represent us. And that makes me suspect that you are new into this, and you think that I must ‘educate’ you. Where have YOU been all this while? You mean you suddenly surfaced, and you didn’t know that RPK and Harris claimed to represent “us”? You didn’t notice that they were instructing, pursuading, trying to convince, “us”, calling MCLM, which is basically only RPK and Harris outfit, Harris claiming to be a ‘father figure’ etc. They did this partly in their blogs, but mostly through ‘half educated and informed’ people like you. Misguided is the description I used, and after reading your reply, I am convinced that, that was an apt description of you.
If I am an Anwar man, as you claim, what is so wrong with that? You say it like it’s a sin or crime to be an Anwar man. I guess it’s ok to be a RPK and Harris woman, but not an Anwar man. You are too prejudiced Farida. I know Anwar since 1996, when I was introduced to him, by a mutual friend. Even when he was in his most powerful self, as DPM and acting PM, he has helped loads of people, it’s just that they don’t want to acknowledge it. Just like anybody else, he has his bad points too, and he is not perfect, and here I am repeating myself, he is the best we got. RPK and Harris are sabotaging him, and thus “us” too.
Farida, it’s your prerogative to think that I am silly, just as much I think that you are a woman without any substance and an apologist for RPK and Harris.
Actually, after reading your reply to me, and re-reading your original article, I am of the opinion, something is not right, it doesn’t jive, my ‘half suspicions’ have been aroused again.
Msian
May 3, 2011
I agree, Farida. This Don is an egotist, he thinks the world revolves round him. Anyone whose opinion differs from him is considered negatively. While RPK’s interview was bad, I think he should be given a chance. Why are BN people given chance after chance? Why is Haris put in a bad light? I hope Haris and RPK will ignore these nasty remarks.
Don
May 3, 2011
Malaysian,
I have all the attention that I need, in the cyber world and the real one. It’s typical of people like you, if you can’t argue back with someone with valid arguments, then ignore him, hoping that all the worlds problems will go away.
Sir/Ma’am, I am not glued to the computer, I have loads to do, but I can’t help responding to replies, to my comments. That is what a man of substance would do.
But I must admit that I am somewhat tired of reminding people like you, to respond in accordance to my comments and not make silly unsubstantiated remarks and be a RPK, Harris and Farida supporter, without basis. Supporting them, personally or professionally, and justifying what they wrote, with opinions of your own, are two very different things.
I have responded to every reply to my comment, on my own, without any apologists, to do it for me. And I have done it in a civilized manner, except to persons that I thought was absolutely necessary, like yourself, whom have made personal remarks at me.
You can think that I am an egotist, etc. and I will defend your right say to that of me, just do it after refuting my arguments, with arguments of your own. Otherwise, you become a ‘silly old goat’, as the English call people like you. Indeed Sir/Ma’am, it’s you that views negatively, anyone that has an opinion different from yours.
With people like you, to ‘defend’ RPK, Harris and now Farida, they don’t need enemies. People like you, will cause them to fall down, again and again, because you support unquestioningly.
Your ability to provide accurate feedback, is almost zilch. Just blind loyalty, is just stupid, to say the least.
I now rest my case.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 3, 2011
I am not Don, but I find your answer to Don very distasteful.
“You’re an Anwar man, for sure.”
For sure?
First it was Haris’ proclaimation that they are the “Father” of something.
Now your turn.
It’s exactly the cocky display by the MCLM dudes and dudettes that turns off the Rakyat, me included.
not RPK nor Haris I
May 3, 2011
Allow me to pen some fiting words for RPK-Haris-MCLMs’ demise/obituary/epitaph
” Here lie the bodies of pseudo Gods/Father figures ”
May they RIP
J Khoo
May 3, 2011
Farida
Well said. I was one of those who had some doubts as to the wisdom of RPK doing the interview but I have since seen through the evil scheme and spin. However, I will state categorically that my trust and belief in Haris has never changed one iota from the day I met him till now. This is because he has never given me any doubts or reasons to. In fact when he SMSes me to apologise for the kerfuffle, I wrote back that “there was no need as I am not a fair weathered friend”.
As for Don, who could belong to any one of the first 3 of the 4 categories Farida cited, you are entitled to your opinion. I know for a fact that the article was not written by Haris. If you indeed to belong to the 4th category, then you have fallen victim and swallowed the poison. Continue to let that poison fester if you like but most of us see a bigger cause and have decided to move on. Vote for BN if you like as it is your right but we want genuine change and BN is incapable of change. No one is perfect nor can give a perfect answer. For every answer, someone can give an opposing one. That’s what democracy is all about.
Is RPK right to attack Anwar personally? That is a moot point I have stated that he should criticise behaviour and not the person, play the ball and not the man as the old football adage goes. If you are a man who has not sinned, then cast the first stone. I have decided that all humans have failings and I will forgive as I like others to forgive me for my own failings.
Bro Haris
You have my full support as always. The fact that you allow all comments without censorship indicates your fairness. Armchair critics will always be there. There is a higher judge waiting to dispense judgement. There is no hiding from this fact whether you are a believer of religions or not. There is always karma. I am satisfied in the knowledge that whatever I do, I am already rewarded in the knowledge that it is for good.
Don
May 3, 2011
Mr.Khoo, please read Farida’s article, then read my comment, and keep the momentum going.
You say that I am entitled to my opinion and in the same breath, you condemn me for having one, and that too, for having one that opposes yours’ and Farida’s.
And just because Harris SMS’es you, to apologise for the ‘kerkuffles’, he is a good man. I wonder what use of, is a friend, who doesn’t correct me, but agrees with me completely? Worse still he offers no convincing argument to argue for me, but makes a fool of himself and me too.
You sure are one confused individual. That you asked me vote BN, indicates that you have not understood my comments, chosen not to, or perhaps such things are beyond your ability to comprehend.
When all things fails, indeed when your ability to reason and argue fails, you invoke the name of the ‘higher judge’ and use words like ‘karma’, ‘religion’ and all that bull shit.
Leave Him out of this, will you.
I can’t respond to those nonsensical comments.
You think that you, RPK, Harris, Farida, etc. have a monopoly on ‘good intentions’ and all those that have different views, have bad intentions and He will punish “us”.
Tell me Sir, what has that got to do with Farida’s article and my comments? You mean He will only side those that have views that coincide with yours’, RPK’s, Harris’ and Farida’s? And all those that are not on your wavelength, will be forever condemned to the eternal fires in hell. And He will make sure of that, for you.
I am sure that even He is laughing at your comments and ignorance.
Sheesh, with such a shallow thinking and analysis, I wonder why you just don’t sit quietly at home and plants flowers and water them, and even talk to them.
J Khoo
May 3, 2011
Don
You are indeed an ASS!!!!!! Where in my paragraph pertaining to you did I condemn you for having a different opinion? You must really enjoy all this attention. You are nothing more than an attention whore. I won’t give you any more space or my time so write away and insult some more. My opinion of you won’t change one iota either. You won’t get any more response from me.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
This is a reply to J Khoo
Dear Mr. Khoo,
You denied that you ever said anything about Don for having a different opinion.
Well, the following I’ve copied from your post above, read it yourself:
“… Continue to let that poison fester if you like but most of us see a bigger cause and have decided to move on. Vote for BN if you like as it is your right …”
Be a man, J Khoo.
Own up to what you have said, or done.
J Khoo
May 3, 2011
ERRATA
I would like to add something that was missed out in my original comment
“Is RPK right to attack Anwar personally? That is a moot point AND HIS I have stated that he should criticise behaviour and not the person, play the ball and not the man as the old football adage goes. If you are a man who has not sinned, then cast the first stone. I have decided that all humans have failings and I will forgive as I like others to forgive me for my own failings.
Don
May 4, 2011
Good morning Khoo,
Your last reply is typical of intellectually stunted and challenged people, like you. Instead of using your brains to answer, you use your posterior. Is your vocabulary so poor, that you have to resort to words like ‘whore’ and ‘ass’, to make your point? How pathetic!!! Then you should be at home, covering yourself under a blanket and sleeping your time away.
I don’t need to bask in the attention given to me by an irrelevant individual, like you. I have more than I can handle, believe me.
I have been called all sorts of names right here, on this thread. I did not, indeed will not get angry and upset, I will defend myself, and your right to call me any name you fancy, including and not confined to, ass and whore.
I have said enough, the rest you might not understand.
J Khoo
May 3, 2011
ERRATA
Is RPK right to attack Anwar personally? That is a moot point AND HIS PREROGATIVE. I have stated that I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THAT he should criticise behaviour and not the person, play the ball and not the man as the old football adage goes. If you are a man who has not sinned, then cast the first stone. I have decided that all humans have failings and I will forgive as I like others to forgive me for my own failings.
Remie
May 3, 2011
Dear Farida,
You worry too much.
RPK & Haris is unfazzed by the straight-forward venom & double-talk by the cybertroopers. It is easy to spot them. They would agree or praise even, then, stab in-the-back, at the end of their commentary.
All those feigning confusion are also cybertroopers trying to feel the ground but wrongly.
Anyone with a little education can see the chaff from the wheat. However, it IS tedious to be winnowing the commentaries all the time. There is no need to be worried. If you can see through the chaff, so can many of those sensible people out there.
RPK’s TV3 interview? That has served its proper purpose for RPK, believe me. Now, all TV addicts would look up “Malaysia Today” & “The People’s Parliament”, at least, just the curiosity of it all. The real reason RPK decided to work out-of-the-box and appear & present his case to every household in Malaysia.
See how TV3 picked up the trick? They have since presented UMNO’s conspiracy by showing the alleged Anwar’s sex tape on National News!
RPK, I guess you will now have to pull another trick from your beret, again.
Lyon Rethual
May 3, 2011
Dear Haris & Farida,
I’ve stood by RPK and Haris and will continue to stand by them, for them and with them. I’ve RPK recently when some relatives and friends were taken aback at the TV3 interview.
Everyone is free to express their opinions but deliver it with tact and care.
Lets go for quality rather than quantity.
The righteous will triumph in the end, keep up the good work all you good people.
Shalom
Lyon
Historian
May 3, 2011
So what? Since when do RPK or Harris need others to defend themselves? The way I see it, the public responded and reacted to what they see, what they read and what they hear. What’s wrong with that? I call it the process of nation building, be it painful or happy or both. LKY’s foray back into politics sends a very bad message when he still wants to hold his subjects’ hand until he kicks the bucket! What happens after he eventually does that? Singapore will still survive without him, they don’t really have a choice, do they?
Similarly, let the commentators comment and hopefully, they will also learn from it. Yes, RPK did start the ball rolling big time. Yes, we all respect him for that. But no, we are not going to be forever indebted to him or others just because he was once a warrior and still is. Let Malaysians feed free to chart their own course, for better or for worse. We may not agree to all what is said but we must defend their freedom to do so, unlike BN.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
“We may not agree to all what is said but we must defend their freedom to do so, unlike BN.”
Precisely !!
The Farida/J Khoo way of doing thing mirrors that of BN.
If you dare to disagree with the opinion of their Heroes, – RPK and Haris, – then you are “cybertroopers” and they will ask you to “vote for BN”.
Wonder how much BN has paid them to do all these?
sook
May 6, 2011
funny lah you “RPK has become a turncoat”. Why are you responding to so many comments directed to “Don” and jumping to his defense?
Samuel Goh
May 3, 2011
IF THE GOOD DO NOTHING – 030511
If good people don’t help straighten things up
It’ll be difficult to blame bad people for messing up the cup
If good people don’t bother about corruptions taken in gulps
Then it’ll be impossible to have national crimes beaten into pulps
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng
http://motivationinmotion.blogspot.com
Tue. 3rd May 2011.
hindi fan
May 3, 2011
Yes, I agree Lyon. The righteous will triumph in the end. But wait and see and you will certainly find out that PK and Haris are far from righteous. I cannot wait the day when we know for certain that we all have been betrayed by these 2 stooges whom we thought could bring us a new life.
Antares
May 3, 2011
Wow, Farida! Wow! Thank you for articulating what you just did. It means a great deal to me – and to those of us who feel fatigued and put off by the the football hooliganism all-male politicking tends to imitate. More power to the Goddess!
Don
May 3, 2011
It seems to me that all those that criticize me, have not read my comments in full and their replies are proof of this. Condemn me, damn me, criticize me, etc. but do read my comments keep the flow going, just don’t be too hasty say only a few words that means nothing and doesn’t allow for a good flow of ideas and for the general good of the person that wrote the original article.
It’s from discussions, well, ok arguments, such as these, that intelligent people evaluate themselves and may want to modify their approach and thinking, hence, please give these people a chance to do so.
Please take counter criticisms in the same spirit that I take criticisms.
Rahman Hyder
May 3, 2011
“Please take counter criticisms in the same spirit that I take criticisms.”
er … does that mean i get to call you “dumb” or “stupid” as well?
Don
May 3, 2011
Call me anything that you fancy, dumb and stupid included. That is your right. But in your haste to call me that, don’t let your stupidity show.
just another malaysian
May 3, 2011
(gasp! )you want us to take your criticisms in the same spirit you take criticisms? so you want us to launch personal degrading comments on you like you did to everyone? oooh be careful what you wish for!
Don
May 3, 2011
Please do. Who is “us” by the way, you have become some sort of spokesman, have you? A self appointed one I guess. Stand up for yourself, argue, discuss, and then call me anything you like.
Don’t be a parasite and hang on to other peoples’ arguments. Have some of your own. I am aware of the risks in replying to forums like this. I have stood my own, against all those that attacked me, some without basis, and will continue to do so, until I think that there is no more sense in the thread. It’s nearly nearing there.
Don
May 4, 2011
Shar101,
I do not have to know Farida, I know of, and have read, the article she wrote, and that formed the basis of my comments. That is, I think, sufficient.
I didn’t say anything about allies and handling BN, that is just your ignorant assumption, as you have nothing else intelligent to say, so you put words into my mouth and make a stupid comment, and think you have made an an intelligent contribution.
I am not here to defend Anwar against every episode that you bring bring up. That is a sheer waste of time and extremely unnecessary to this discussion.
What I am saying is this, and please pay attention, Anwar is the best that we got. You take Anwar away and you have no alternative party to challenge the BN. Do you think that RPK and Harris can put LKS, LGE, Karpal, Hadi, Husam, etc. into a room and speak to them, let alone lead them? Anwar can, and indeed has, and I dare say, he is the only one that has the capability to do so.
So what I am saying is this, and again, please pay attention, let’s just support the PR coalition, to get rid of the corrupt BN. Unless of course, RPK and Harris, like Zaid, are Trojan Horses. Actually, I am quite inclined to believe that now.
The damage that RPK has caused PR, just before the Sarawak election, is horrendous. The defense that he was “used”, is an insult to our intelligence, and his own.
Anwar has been accused of all sorts of offences, that can see him jailed for twenty years’. Yet, he is here, fighting, and has not, like RPK, who at the slightest smell of trouble, ran away to the UK.
A fighter stays and fights, irregardless of the consequences.
Shar101, read, re-read and re-read again what I have commented. If you can’t understand, ask someone to read and explain it to you. Or better still just read comic books. I tend to think that you are more suited to those kind of light reading.
As has been quoted on another thread, and I quote, Quote:”RPK and his revelations, have not given us a better life, have not made us better people, have not made us more educated, have not given us information that improves our lives, in fact, it has done nothing for us. Those that like gossip and lies, will hail him a hero, those of us prefer substance and truth, consider him a nuisance”.
“What has RPK done, that has made you a better person. You can’t even repeat what he has written, because, a year or two later, he will retract it as lies, and blame the mistakes on his sources. Unquote.
With that I rest my case.
Liza suhaimi
May 3, 2011
I wonder sometimes Haris, what exactly are your feelings when you read a long letter from someone like Faridah for example. Do you feel validated? Do you feel supported? Do you feel someone like her can magically undone what has been destroyed? Do you feel she has the power to influence those of us who have the ability to discern the difference between what is true and what is false? Your allegiance is not with us, the rakyat. That’s for sure. Your actions are not consistent with your preach. And the best advise I can give to the commentators here – judge someone through their actions,and not their words. In the end, actions speak louder than words.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
For bloggers such as Haris and RPK, their words represent their action.
RPK and Haris have been tirelessly heaping insults on PR, especially PKR, for the past few months.
They even came up with MCLM, an apparatus designed to whack havoc to the opposition alliance in the upcoming GE.
Just like Hindraf, just like so many pseudo-opposition groups, MCLM is nothing but a tool created by UMNO to derail the opposition in Malaysia.
Paul Warren
May 3, 2011
Farida,
The TV 3 interview was a disaster. TV 3 did what they do best and I would commend them even for a job well done. Isn’t that their remit anyway? It is for us not to fall for their ruse. To headline RPK for 10 minutes when he was made out to be critical of Anwar was milking what they had for all its worth. RPK provided them that fodder. Of course it is disappointing and when you first view it, without knowing what its all about, you think just that! RPK selling out!! From an ordinary man on the street I heard that when it first was aired, in a Chinese restaurant in one of our suburbs, apparently the immediate response from a number of viewers was a colourful outpouring of Chinese curses!! They don’t read Malaysia-today or PP.
Damage control was needed, but it was not really done as well as it could have been. Sometimes a simple admission of a bad mistake is all that is needed.
The sacrifices and commitment of RPK and Harris is not doubted. But when something like this happens, damage control has to be done right. It was not done right.
MCLM relies on too many assumptions for it to justify its reason for being. Its tact taken so far too appears hostile to those whom MCLM hopes to help by its offer of help.
Politics in Malaysia has now been reduced to BN or not BN. If you are not for BN, then there should just be a single option here. A single entity to represent “Not BN”! The closest to a single entity there is Pakatan Rakyat! That entity needs all kinds of help and forces to ensure it gels nicely. Sure they are rough in the edges and there are also wedges pricing them apart. Whacking Anwar because he is a lousy leader does not help in ensuring this singular entity remains intact. Suggesting that MCLM candidates are better? By what measure? Sure in 2008 PKR did not have candidates and I guess if I had put my hands up I too might have found myself a candidate. But to criticise PKR for fielding candidates who turned out to be frogs is a little unfair. Am sure if they had agreed RPK and Haris too would have been MPs today. In any case why should PR accept as candidate anyone MCLM offers just because MCLM says that person is a better candidate? What is the basis of thinking that PR has today not already improved its candidate selection criteria? There is no doubt a role for one like MCLM to play, but it cannot be presumptions about where exactly it is needed.
Politics as we see today in Malaysia is just the nature of the beast. We cannot hope to impact it without first at least seeming to embrace it.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
Paul,
“Suggesting that MCLM candidates are better? By what measure?”
“In any case why should PR accept as candidate anyone MCLM offers just because MCLM says that person is a better candidate? What is the basis of thinking that PR has today not already improved its candidate selection criteria?”
Keep up your questioning like these and you will be labeled a “cybertrooper” and they, and I mean Farida and J Khoo, will ask you to vote for BN.
And one more thing, Paul, do not ever forget – them MCLM people are “Father-like”, everything that they do must be right, nobody has the right to question them.
shar101
May 3, 2011
Aaahhhh … Condescending ‘Don’ rides errr … writes again.
And ‘Don’ doesn’t know who Farida is.
But I know for sure.
Thus, ‘Don’ is an Anwarista after all.
It figures. Nuff said!
Don
May 3, 2011
Shar101, I am for Anwar for sure, and I do not apologize for that, and I don’t think there’s need to.
BN has put Anwar through hell and he is winning and he is here, he hasn’t run away to UK.
He has taken all the rubbish that BN has thrown at him and he is still here, he hasn’t run away to the UK.
He has outmaneuvered BN and all their accusations and he is still here, he hasn’t run away to UK.
I am proud to be an Anwarista, if I am one indeed, than to be with RPK and Harris.
I never said Farida doesn’t exist, just that I have my suspicions that she wrote the article.
I don’t care who the heck she is, she could be a Goddess, for all I care, she wrote an article, in the public domain, and I criticized it, constructively, I think.
That is all there is to it.
shar101
May 3, 2011
But you still don’t know who Farida is, ‘Don’.
That makes you an ignorant upstart to begin with. And if you don’t know who are your allies, what makes you think you can handle BN?
Furthermore, are you very certain Anwar didn’t run, ‘Don’?
How about the Turkish embassy incident – http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7481301.stm – or the fact that Anwar left Sarawak on the eve of the state election which IMHO would have done greater damage to PR/PKR’s image compared to RPK’s TV3 interview because Sarawakians would then conclude that Anwar had no confidence in wresting the state from BN’s clutches?
Please don’t tell me it’s for Anwar’s own safety because the same argument shall apply to RPK.
RPK’s contribution to exposing BN’s corrupt ways has no peers in cyberspace. All other bloggers dare not touch the incriminating evidences available from whistle-blowers but RPK took it in his stride despite knowing the dire circumstances to himself and his family. And he’s still ‘safely’ doing it from wherever he is because he wants to and will continue to do so.
On the other hand, Anwar (through Ezam who has now turned to the darkside), claimed to have had 6-7 boxes of documents to expose BN. Till now, habuk pon tadak. Is Anwar keeping it for further horse-trading with UMNO Baru?
So how, ‘Don’? Who is a bigger threat to BN – RPK or Anwar?
concern citizen
May 3, 2011
BRO. HARIS, you have nothing to worry if you are clean and innocent and your intentions are for the good of Malaysians. No need to feel humiliated or insulted if you and RPK are fighting against injustice on our behalf. You are only worried if you use us to enrich yourselves and then deny this is what you are fighting for. Truth has an uncanny way of appearing when you least expect it.
Anak Melayu
May 3, 2011
There is no doubt that RPK’s tv3 interview is a terrible blow for MCLM. And then Haris reaction in Bangkok drama – seal the damage which it can never recover. The damage is done and we should wary of being optimistic when it comes to Haris and RPK. What MCLM needs now is a new face and name to provide both charismatic and sincere leadership and an ability to hold together a movement that might well disintegrate.
buddylove
May 3, 2011
This is for those who claim to be pro-PR or betrayed by Harris
Why was BN able to rule for so long despite their incompetencies as the pro-opposition so claimed? There could be many reasons but one of it could be that people just accepted it and it became embedded into our mindset that that is the way things work around here. It took not one but many forward minded people to shake us out of that slumber, to see what was going on and ultimately to take action. It wasnt easy but it happened.
Unfortunately it looks like you cant take the kampung out of the boy; those that saw what was happening opted for PR but we have only created another set of die-hard supporters but with PR in place of BN. In short,
We woke up, challenged the system, and went back to sleep.
But that is not what this fight is about, we are to remain awake, constantly watching, hence the term watchdogs and i salute H Ibrahim for being an excellent one. Fair enough, PR has its weaknesess and we may have to forgo some of our principles in order to bring BN down but we should not forget them lest we just create another BN with the title PR. If you remember your history, party perikatan was created on noble grounds and its fight for the people was similar to PRs but look how it ended up. This is what organisations like bersih and MCLM are about. They criticise both sides, remember, democracy with an uneducated electorate does not work and we need watchdogs to help us.
dont you think bashing MCLM for being critical towards PR just shows the lack of political maturity of the rakyat?
RPK has become a turncoat
May 4, 2011
MCLM is a tool created by BN to broadside the PR.
Just like Hindraf.
These are all pseudo-oppositional groups.
They are not for the Rakyat.
They are there to enrich themselves.
ahmad pencen
May 3, 2011
Dear Faridah,
You must ask where MCLM gets the money to sponsor 30 candidates for the next election. This is a very, very, important question for RPK and Haris to answer. We hope and pray that there won’t be enough of those who are willing to sell out the country for their worldly pleasure. When both RPK and Haris can give us this detail, then maybe we can find some space to forgive them.
Don
May 3, 2011
A good point indeed. Where they got the money, so far, is another question that begs an answer. Over to you Farida.
shar101
May 3, 2011
Excuse me for butting in but I really, really can’t help it with ‘Don’ in the midst.
a) Haris has clarified – https://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/what-30-candidates-for-mclm/
b) The original ‘mischievous’ Bernama report – http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=581375 – was regurgitated at Mkini – http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/162319
c) Meanwhile, to ensure transparency, MT uploaded the entire Bangkok forum videos – http://www.malaysia-today.net/component/content/article/58-video/40063-mclm-thailand-launch-23-april-2011-updated – which therefore means the Bernama report was deliberately meant to ‘poison’ the uniformed masses.
Sooo .. back to the funding part. Can Ahmad Pencen and ‘Don’ disclose who is funding PKR?
Fair dinkum request, Yes?
farida
May 3, 2011
Dear Ahmad Pencen,
Please give me the exact quote from MCLM about its sponsoring 30 candidates for the next election and the name of the person who said that, the date he said that, the venue where it was said and where you located that information and I assure you I will pose that question to MCLM.
Thank you.
wandererAUS
May 3, 2011
I think Don has a valid point. There is no one in PR to replace Anwar. Anwar may have his failings but obviously, he is the best we have to lead the opposition.
To RPK and Bro Hairis if you are not prepared to assist, dno’t be a pain!
Jeyabalan V
May 3, 2011
I do not think of rpk as a turncoat and definitely not haris. However, the very least rpk’s judgement has to be questioned in providing the enemy evil bn with ammunition ‘s . It was not just his explanation on the sd. It cannot be denied in many further articles, he gave the impression that he himself believed that najib and rosmah were involved and not just that he was reporting what other people told him. In addition , the very next day his interview where he attacked anwar was more ammunition to bn. Though anwar and Pakatan are no angels , many of us became hero worshippers of rpk because je was leading the fight to bring down the evil bn, at least that is what many of us believed. Therefore, it was perplexing to us how rpk’s interview would have helped in that cause. Indeed , the only ones who would have clapped in glee would have be bn. That is why many of us were disappointed with rpk’s lack of judgment with the tv3 interview. In addition , rpk giving names of his informants and other bloggers was not what we expected of an hero . Maybe we thought of rpk as a Malaysian Mandela nut he turned out to be mere mortal like you and me. The thought that we did not really have a hero was what disappointed many of us who had believed rpk to be the one. I fon’t think rpk is bad but a mere mortal capable of making mistakes like any one of us since the interviews came out. End of the day, we all have an obligation and our family members to do the right thing at polls. No need to name rpk or anyone else if we do not do our part for the country
Ruth
May 3, 2011
I’m glad you spoke your mind, Fari. It echoes all that I wanted to say as well.
ahmad pencen
May 3, 2011
Dear Faridah,
Who are you to appoint yourself as “orang tengah” between us, the readers and MCLM? The fact that Haris and RPK are reading every single e-mail that we write here on this blog, it is their responsibility to answer these questions themselves. if I were to tell you the truth about where I get this info from, do you think Haris would publish it here? Of course not. Many readers have been asking this question, not only here but also on Malaysia Today. If this info is something so crucial to win supporters for MCLM, why do they keep quiet? Why they never reply? It is our right as contributors to know where the money come from. KIndness is always the first choice. I agree with that but there are times when you can’t be kind to someone who doesn’t have your best interest in mind. When you see this behaviour, be kind to yourself.
LC Teh
May 3, 2011
It’s the truth, and the truth hurts that the public played into the hands of the master manipulators. They have paid experts at their disposal, paid with public money. And many of us fell for it. Getting rid of BN is good but we don’t want to be getting out of that frying pan and straight into the fire…
fawzia noor
May 3, 2011
I agree with you wondererAUS.
Anwar is the only choice we have in PR. The way RPK keeps harping about Anwar and at the same time telling us that he is still with the opposition is completely unacceptable. Why can’t RPK understand that whenever his actions are clouded with misjudgment, his influence is under a shadow. You do not become a backstabber with someone who has the same agenda with you for the good of our country. What benefit does he gain in his relentless criticism of Anwar? Anwar does not do the same thing to him. What I can see, the more RPK condemn him, the more influential he becomes. It is RPK who has been isolated and has lost supporters because of his arrogance.
Harsh words cut deep wounds, deep down to the heart. If RPK is the one so wounded, he will understand what I mean.
buddylove
May 4, 2011
Please dont be deluded into thinking that the anti-BN fight is about putting PR into power. This fight is to bring democracy back into the country, to bring transparency, to stop the leakages of billions of ringgit. Just because PR looks like our only option it is only a means to an end. Blindly following PR without repramanding them when approriately is only encouraging another BN with a diff name. Harris’ goal is not to put PR into power but so that whoever is in power is responsible in its broadest sense. So dont say that he is a traitor and what not for not praising PR, that was never the goal!
Remie
May 4, 2011
This is certainly a co-ordinated discourse if ever there is one.
Looks like Anwarists are being hurt and fighting back taking their cue from UMNO. Which is not surprising because they were born under the same propaganda machine.
It is very satisfying to note the desperation from “Don” and others. This confirms that MCLM is on the right track. The more attacks, the more convinced I am that MCLM is on the right track.
Thanks Anwarists & UMNO cybertroopers!
buddylove
May 4, 2011
true..don might as well be an umno cybertrooper coz only they deliberately choose to not see reason..and maybe hardcore anwarists as we see now..mclm has never been about taking sides..its about using reason and logic.
Samuel Goh
May 4, 2011
TACKLE ISSUES NOT TISSUES – 040511
Let’s all concentrate only on the public issues
And avoid any attack on the personal tissues
Waste not your brains’ beautiful fisssures
And focus your attention on vital features
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng
http://motivationinmotion.blogspot.com
Wed. 4th May. 2011.
Malaysian
May 4, 2011
Bravo to TV3 for achieving their MISSION ie to have anti-BN supporters at each other’s throat!!!
Sheesh! I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry at our own stupidity.
NOW, can we all move on and focus on our COMMON enemy?
RPK has become a turncoat
May 5, 2011
“NOW, can we all move on and focus on our COMMON enemy?”
How to move on and focus when you have RPK and Haris promoting this MCLM that will hurt PR much more than BN?
Tell me la, please !!
Malaysian
May 15, 2011
Aiyaa, until the DAY, MCLM fields candiates to cause a 3-party fights, I will not stop in believeing in its agenda of “menyatukan pihak-pihak anti-BN”.
Care to listen to Haris-
Don’t fall into the mischief reporting by Bernama as suggested by shar101(May 3, 2011 at 11:06 pm) above – http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=581375 – was regurgitated at Mkini –http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/162319
Yes, RPK shouldn’t do that TV3 interview but when will this bashing and hammering stop and will it help our cause?
Our bickering and screaming at each other only frighten the fence-sitters away.
farida
May 4, 2011
Dear Ahmad Pencen,
You asked me earlier:
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“ahmad pencen Says:
May 3, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Dear Faridah,
You must ask where MCLM gets the money to sponsor 30 candidates for the next election.”
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I replied you :
“farida Says:
May 3, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Dear Ahmad Pencen,
Please give me the exact quote from MCLM about its sponsoring 30 candidates for the next election and the name of the person who said that, the date he said that, the venue where it was said and where you located that information and I assure you I will pose that question to MCLM.
Thank you”
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What is wrong with that?
And then you go and spoil this polite exchange with a belligerent attitude.
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You said:
“ahmad pencen Says:
May 3, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Dear Faridah,
Who are you to appoint yourself as “orang tengah” between us, the readers and MCLM? The fact that Haris and RPK are reading every single e-mail that we write here on this blog, it is their responsibility to answer these questions themselves. if I were to tell you the truth about where I get this info from, do you think Haris would publish it here? Of course not….”
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You gave me a task and I asked for the source and you back down.
Yes, I am 100% certain if you were to tell the truth – and it must be the truth and truth is always backed by facts and not fallacies – Haris will publish it.
Anyway, Shar has provided ample information for you :
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” shar101 Says:
May 3, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Excuse me for butting in but I really, really can’t help it with ‘Don’ in the midst.
a) Haris has clarified – https://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/what-30-candidates-for-mclm/
b) The original ‘mischievous’ Bernama report – http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=581375 – was regurgitated at Mkini – http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/162319
c) Meanwhile, to ensure transparency, MT uploaded the entire Bangkok forum videos – http://www.malaysia-today.net/component/content/article/58-video/40063-mclm-thailand-launch-23-april-2011-updated – which therefore means the Bernama report was deliberately meant to ‘poison’ the uniformed masses.
Sooo .. back to the funding part. Can Ahmad Pencen and ‘Don’ disclose who is funding PKR?
Fair dinkum request, Yes? ”
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You know, Ahmad Pencen, if you are part of the Opposition, as I hope you are, then mending fences is far better at this point to fight a common enemy.
wandererAUS
May 4, 2011
I have said many a time that I have high regard for Bro Haris’s integrity and respected his principle of fairness. He can bear witness to my beliefs. I am a staunch Opposition supporter that is keen to kick UMNO/BN out of Puterajaya! If I felt RPK in his recent events, he prominently engaged in was suspect, I say so! Equally, Haris should not owe his blind loyalty to his boss if there was a reason to speak out, do so quietly or privately.
Anwarists, UMNO cybertroopers…those accusers, get a doggie bath!!
RastamanJB.
May 4, 2011
Bro Haris & Sista Farida,
It’s raining uppercuts,lefthooks and sledgehammers !
Must be left all blue black….but fret not.
Time to chill out bro……Check out Marley’s Zimbabwe !
The lyrics are so apt….replace Zimbabwe with Malaysia !
We will do all to derail dem BN vampires !
Cheers
RastamanJB
Don
May 4, 2011
Rernie,
You call this a co-ordinated discourse? I/we are not fighting back. I made a comment/stand, and the RPK and Harris apologists are attacking me, without reading what I said or refuting me, just attacking without applying their minds to the original article that Farida wrote and/or my comments.
Indeed you are the desperate ones’, as you make a couple of snide remarks and then you go missing. Why can’t you stay and argue on the article and the replies. The contents of Farida’s article was lost a long time ago.
MCLM is not an exclusive private boys club, and their objectives, etc. can be questioned and because Harris and RPK have come out in public, they can be questioned too. There are people who are of the view that RPK has sold out, and that MCLM is a BN initiative, considering how they both are seemingly working against PR. They have also provided their reasons for adopting such a stance. All RPK’s and Harris’ apologist have to say is, “RPK and Harris, we still believe in you”. And they are satisfied with that, and their contribution to this discourse is confined to that. It’s as if those eight words, can undo every unkind act that RPK has done.
Harris may be a good man, I don’t doubt that, but even good men can be misled, indeed good men are usually misled, because they don’t see the bad in people, and think everything white is milk.
RPK is a desperate man, he has to survive in the UK, which is not cheap and he is a man that likes to be respected, even if his demand to be respected is misplaced. Everyone, even his hard core supporters are in agreement that he made a mistake in granting TV3 the interview, but has RPK ever admitted that, nooooo, has he ever apologised, noooooo, he will just give you the reasons why he did that, and we all have to believe him. Most do, that is their prerogative, but some of us just don’t buy it and we question and we ask and all we get are brickbats.
Bear in mind, most of us that are disgusted are his former supporters, but now we are appalled at his complete lack of judgement and decorum.
He tried to dictate policy and strategy from UK, and Anwar told him that if he, Anwar that is, listens to him, then he has to listen everyone and that is not the way the PR works. Anwar told RPK, please put your suggestions down and the PR leaders’ will discuss this. I think that, that is a fairly valid response. But RPK threw a tantrum and now wants to bring Anwar down and indirectly bring PR down too. To RPK, it doesn’t matter if PR and the people eventually loose, indeed he is doing exactly that, so long as he can tell Anwar and the PR leaders, “See I told you so”. What an evil plan.
Just for the record, I want PR to win the next election, and win it convincingly. If Anwar becomes the PM, and I hope he does, there are checks and balances to ensure that he does not get carried away. Ask Hadi, Karpal, LGE, Husam, and LKS, and they will tell you.
I would like to see Mahathir be put on trial, for corrupting UMNO, for enriching his children and himself, for the sins that he has committed to Tun Salleh, and for a thousand other reasons. I’d like to see Tan Sri Musa, the former IGP investigated, the AG investigated, and all those people who squandered billions of ringgit from ordinary Malaysians, be punished, I want to see Najib and Rosmah and all those who had a hand in the murder of Althantuya punished, and…. awww, there are just too many to mention. Since 1981, when Mahathir took over from Tun Hussien, till now, we have seen billions and billions of ringgit go into the pockets of a few individuals. That’s is 30 years’ of corruption and abuse.
I want justice for all Malaysians.
I have said enough and I not going to make any more replies, on this thread. If I see another topic and I see a need to respond, I surely will.
STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES, BUT THOU HARSH WORDS DO NOT BREAK MY SPIRIT.
shar101
May 5, 2011
‘Don’,
Why are you running away from me?
You made unsubstantiated allegations and when I respond, you ‘run’ to another commentator on this thread.
Are you really an Anwarista or perhaps, a BN cybertrooper pretending to be an Anwarista?
Whoever you are, I will find out.
Historian
May 5, 2011
I share your sentiments mate. I think RPK wanted to be a kingmaker but failed when Pakatan gave him the cold shoulder. His ranting against DSAI was quite below the belt when Sarawak election was looming but thank goodness, DAP saved the day. BN is the real enemy but Pakatan still has a real chance of winning a historic victory, with or without RPK or MCLM.
James Gigolo
May 6, 2011
Don dont be a donkey.
A foolish heart and stubborn mind is not worth breaking. Afterall i dont really believe anyone wanted to break yours with harsh word. They’re just trying to make you less donkey.
What’s the point of killing one Osama bin Laden and replacing his position with another Osama bin Laden?
Replacing a BN with another BN? Check and balance starts before a party forms the government, not after.
And i believe that’s what RPK and Harris has been working on, much to the distaste of PKR leaders/ supporters.
Just as RPK and Harris are criticising PKR you are criticising RPK and Harris, as much as me and the rest are criticising you.
Opinion is like an ass. Everyone has one. Good you decide to stop showing yours in this thread. Cause it just stinks out Farida’s beautiful ass.
fawzia noor
May 4, 2011
Haris goal is not to put anyone in power, except the most ethical people? Is that what you said buddylove? How do you know that Haris is ethical himself to demand that quality from others? How can you be sure of this? Judging from RPK and Haris actions, I must say they are doing the opposite. Judge people through their actions. Do they walk the talk? Do their actions create the outcome they seek? All I could see in them are Judas on the mountain, behind the curtain, waiting for the right time to kill Anwar completely, permanently. Can’t you differentiate between constructive criticism and malice full of venom?
RPK talks so much about Islam on his blog. Is this the teaching of Islam? Attacking your own friend as if he was your greatest enemy? For what purpose? And for you Remie, ask Haris and RPK how many members MCLM is able to recruit now? Ask them first before you proudly claim that MCLM is on the right track. You must be a dreamer to even suggest that MCLM is on the right track after tv3 and Bangkok tragedies!!!
malaysianatheart
May 4, 2011
Wow! I go walkabout for 2 days and all the action’s been going on here huh?!! Farida, you have valid points – but I reckon that your article only served to spew even more venom on the 2 souls you were trying to defend. Can we all just take a step back for a couple of days, think about where we stand in all of this, consider if we are prepared to risk it with RPK as Farida has requested and just decide within ourselves if we are going to continue to support MCLM, or Haris, or RPK or Malaysia Today or what have you and act accordingly. Do we really need to get the blood pressure going with all this vitriol?
Relax folks – it aint over till the fat lady sings.What we must all agree on is that the fight against BN will continue – with or without these gentlemen. Thats all that matters really. Have a great week folks!
Vanessa Marchalani
May 4, 2011
Let’s put things into perspective in an objective way.
(A) RPK may have made a mistake with TV3, or did it intentionally but cleverly.
It could be either one. We do not know and cannot know which was it, at the moment.
If it was a mistake, RPK has not apologised or admitted it was a mistake. See his interviews with The Malaysian Insider and Malaysiakini. There is instead a defiant arrogance. People do not like ‘leaders’ or ‘father figures’ such as this.
If it was a calculated move to give the interview, then it has been appropriately masked and well executed. He may have obtained some favour as a result (the issue of his son or him being brought to court) and that can be something confidential only between him and the person/group giving him the favour.
(B) RPK posts a lot of stories on his blog.
Many of us want to topple BN as our immediate and direct goal.
This needs to be done by obtaining votes, especially from those not convinced (BN supporters and fence-sitters).
They are not easy to convince. We need work on the ground to show them about the abuses they have suffered from basic things like disregard for the provision of public services to improper and inefficient use of public money. This needs grassroots work.
RPK and Haris and their MCLM are doing none of the above. RPK continues to write blog stories. No practical effect is made to convince the voters.
(C) RPK and his MCLM as a political outfit (because they are fielding election candidates) are likely to draw votes away from PR, not BN if they compete in a three-cornered fight. PR, with all its flaws, is the best chance to counter BN. This is a bitter pill, but it must be swallowed. Competition between PR and BN is tight. MCLM, as great the idea is, would only serve to spread thin the PR votes and hand victory to BN.
MCLM fails to see that political reform from an oppressive system to a just system historically is through enlightened voting or through revolutions. Since people-powered revolutions such as in the Middle East are unlikely in Malaysia, our best bet is to educate and engage the public so they can make the best assessment and vote for the group that gives the best chance to remove an oppressive regime.
MCLM can serve as an alternative in a post-BN world, definitely. But practically speaking, despite any good intentions, it will become a hindrance to removing BN.
RPK and Haris are either strangely ignorant of this, feeling heady with the taste of power or are being used as a pawn by BN to stop PR. It could be any of these possibilities. BN does not seem to be afraid of MCLM. This tells a lot.
With Points (A), (B) and (C) above, what should we as responsible citizens focus on?
(i) RPK, Haris, MCLM plus RPK’s drama, or
(ii)doing work on the ground and cooperating with reliable PR workers and other similar-minded NGOs to do some good and convince the rakyat?
Time is running out.
We cannot waste time and resources if we want change.
We probably have one good last chance left.
For the sake of our children and grandchildren, what would you do realistically at this point in time?
Please think about it.
Thank you.
Peter
May 5, 2011
Agree. My vote is going to Pakatan even though Pakatan is far from perfect. I am not a fan of Anwar or Hadi Awang but Pakatan needs all the firepower it can get to beat Barisan once and for all. Priority please, everyone. RPK/Haris/MCLM, you can bark all you want. Too late for all this. You guys have lost credibility and are blocking the way. I am not willing to gamble my young son’s future by voting for MCLM and thereby letting BN win. My son’s future is too precious.
RPK has become a turncoat
May 5, 2011
“(C) RPK and his MCLM as a political outfit (because they are fielding election candidates) are likely to draw votes away from PR, not BN if they compete in a three-cornered fight. PR, with all its flaws, is the best chance to counter BN.”
I have told Haris this, a long long time ago, when he started to tell us about the idea of “third candidacy”.
But he refused to listen.
“RPK and Haris are either strangely ignorant of this, feeling heady with the taste of power or are being used as a pawn by BN to stop PR.”
No, RPK and Haris are not ignorant.
They do it purposely to cripple PR’s effort.
They do it because they are paid by BN to do so.
malaysianatheart
May 5, 2011
Well said Vanessa. That part about RPK having todate NOT come out and apologized or given some plausible reason for having given the interview is most disconcerting! What sort of character is this?
And yes, MCLM is really only reaching the educated urban minority who will vote opposition anyway. I reckon you are right. They are in fact politcally quite irrelevant as it is – and yes, they will have a role to play in a POST BN era.
Hence, what we need them to do is to lie low and NOT give BN any more ammunition to shoot the opposition with. This is what I and a whole host of people have been trying to tell these 2 stubborn old fools who refuse to get off their high horses and look at the bigger picture. It is hard enough trying to convince the masses about giving the opposition a chance especially with BN controlling the main stream media without these 2 goons providing more fodder. Their steadfast refusal to see this is what brings their motives and intentions etc into question with a lot of folks. Malaysians have been beaten into skepticism and cannot imagine that these 2 old foggies can be naive enough to be idealistic to the point of not being being able to see the wood for the trees.
They don’t seem to understand that for now all we have is PR and Anwar Ibrahim. For all their faults – we still have to go with them. The priority is to topple BN. We will deal with the opposition’s shortcomings later. Why can’t these monkeys see this? RPK especially refuses to accept that Anwar is the best person we have in the opposition to carry the primary objective through. We do not have a better, more charismatic candidate.
That’s what brings their integrity into question. Personally I do not doubt Haris’s altruistic motives for a second (I regret I cannot say the same about RPK) – but it seems that Haris and his most ardent supporters are unable to sit back and see how the masses are viewing them. Sigh, pity!
shakuntala
May 5, 2011
Dear Farida
Many thanks…
You’ve let it rip….what has followed is quite a loud big bang!!!!
Confound personality politics and frustrate tricks.
All the fuss, because RPK did not have the guts to tell TV3 to “Pisssss…..off, or the more precise and relevant, “F off” when they made eyes at him.
Someone’s integrity certainly got lost there.
Why did he have to say, “I did not go to them, they came to me.”
The I factor and the ego trip….
Why not allow people to have their say.It is part and parcel of the right to freedom of expression.
And we’ve got our heads on our shoulders.
malaysianatheart
May 5, 2011
Dear Shakuntala, I have been reading your comments over the last 2 weeks or so. It seems to me that you are one of the ones whose “hurt” … and frustration? … at what RPK has done is so apparent. But I think what is more apparent from your comments is the hurt from what he has NOT done after the TV 3 airing of the interview.
I am thinking … would we change our minds about him or would our suspicions be dispelled if he apologized and actually came out and said – I am sorry, I was stupid to have accepted the invitation, I should have mentioned that I did the interview etc etc … ?? Would that make a difference to you?
Wouldn’t to me!
farida
May 5, 2011
People, I said this in my posting before the comments came in :
” But look at what we demonstrate on this blog.
” Venom is spewed. Pathetic arguments are the common offerings. People mock each other. Disrespect flows. Name-calling is common. Words are used to belittle, wound and destroy.
” Where is the finesse, the maturity of thought, the substantiated arguments, the respect for one another, the articulation for nation-building?
” Some people give pseudonyms because real names would jeopardize their jobs or families. That’s fine, but to use pseudonyms so that they can revel in vile words?
” Do we build people up or pull them down?
” So, are we any different from the current crop of parliamentarians, the likes of Nazri, Bung Mokhtar, Najib and his whole cabinet? ”
I rest my case.
homemaker
May 5, 2011
Thank you for the above article. Immediately after reading it, I scrolled all the way down to write my comment or rather my thoughts here. I’ve no intentions of reading any of the above comments contributed by the readers. As far as I am concerned, Hats off to RPK , Haris and all the other brave men of Malaysia who will continue to alert us and to open our eyes to slimeballs running this country. I say vote for a change of Government!!!
puppy
May 5, 2011
Sister u are rite. RPK may be consistent in sniping bad guys but as a human he has no integrity and is major ego head. RPK supporters must be able to see that…. not blindly support RPK like a god.
I am not pro-BN by the way. I am pro-Rakyat.
God bless ordinary Malaysians.
puppy
May 5, 2011
sorry, also want to say…. RPK never shoot Mahathir.
I wonder why
bigjoe
May 5, 2011
I think I would like to put my perspective on this whole RPK interview episode.
The issue to me does RPK understand the value of his reputation and brand? In the world of fragmented media, the power of a good brand and reputation is supreme. Someone with a large enough twitter following can change the outcome of a new story.
That is what RPK allowed the evil doers of MSM did to him. He took his brand and reputation for granted, not knowing how valuable it is to just even dent it. His brand and reputation is so big, even a dent is very significant thing in the space of modern media. Such indulgence is simply unacceptable even if the brand and reputation is his property entirely.
Its clear from all the assault going on about issues that UMNO/BN is in hysteria to grab whatever mind-share they can of Malaysians and voters. They don’t have a strategy so they are just hacking at everything they see. There are a lot of wild animals being allowed to run loose in Malaysian political zoo.
In the long run, the humanity of RPK is good for citizenship in this country but in the very very tough battle that is going on, the epic battle that is leading to at this moment, every inch counts, every bit counts and indulgence is a luxury that is affordable only rarely..
ahmad pencen
May 5, 2011
Dear Farida,
It is Mahathir who funded MCLM. He’s the one who is the real director of MCLM, and Haris and RPK are only his pupate, doing all his biding.
Haris, please publish this on your blog. Let the whole world see it. One day Faridah, when the truth spills out to the entire nation, you will be ashamed of yourself for supporting betrayers who you think are fighting justice on your behalf.
James
May 5, 2011
I’m a staunch supporter of Pakatan but sometimes I can’t help to agree with RPK. People just support Pakatan blindly and will not dare to criticize Pakatan. I think RPK didn’t switch support. If you read his articles it has always being about supporting the people and not Pakatan or BN. I just hope Pakatan will work real hard the following months if they want to win.
James
May 5, 2011
By the way, I still hate BN especially UMNO more than Pakatan. So, I’ll give Pakatan some slack for this coming election. I just want to punish UMNO and hope they’ll change.
Dagang Perantau
May 6, 2011
All in all, Osama bin Laden – the man who regarded his own achievement on the creation of Al Qaeda lived just long enough to realize it had totally failed its objectives. Reading Malaysia Today whereby RPK still denied he has been bought of, it made me smile. A sad smile. We all knew that Bangkok tragedy was a plan you both weaved together to gain back the support he has lost and no matter how much he denies that he is not a trojan horse, the trust has gone. Completely. I sometimes wonder now if you and RPK and your MCLM would follow the same fate like Osama.
MalaysianinNewYork
May 6, 2011
Aiyah Haris!!! Such a confluence of thoughts and free thinking minds to say and shout what they feel. Apa guna boss? NATO. End of the day sama cerita, yesterday you were the good guy, today you the bad guy, tomorrow let’s see what Goebbels states then they decide whether you are the good guy or the bad guy without action on blogs and comments. Your bunch of commentors are so righteous, wonder where they were for the last 54 years until HINDRAF gave everone else the guts to rise against the institutions. Seriously, do you really think these self appeasing,self indulged and purported semua tahu folk will make the change? Good luck bro on your endeavor. It is always the quality for the principle not the lalang quantity.
fungus
May 6, 2011
I back Haris ALL THE WAY!!!
LChuah
May 6, 2011
If RPK erred, and I think he did, it’s already done: the elections are over, and supporters of achieving – at least – a two-party system might want to focus on winning the coming general elections. No point crying over spilt milk: victory or failure does not reside in the behavior of a single individual, but in the efforts of people who actively work for a better, more democratic Malaysia. I don’t believe in the MCLM, but it too would not influence much the coming elections, negatively or positively. For I feel that whatever the mainstream media say, and whatever RPK might say, the vast majority of this country’s middle class has enough of BN – not so much because of its corruption than its inefficient governance, compounded by crude, gangster behavior. In short, there’s a real possibility that BN would face another tsunamic defeat in the next general elections. Let us all do what we can to make that event happen.
alice
May 16, 2011
Why didn’t RPK admit its a mistake?
Why his super arrogance?
This is the kind of leader we have in MCLM?
MCLM is one scary cult.
Gan
May 6, 2011
well said Farida !
I hope the group who matters read your message.
The battle continues & the war is not over until it’s won !
Sang Kancil Guru
May 6, 2011
Not only was this posting, in the words of RPK, so “cheong hei”, the comments for this blog post are damn “cheong hei” too.
While you guys fiddle on who is a turncoat and whatnot, Rome burns. Good job.
Estrelita
May 7, 2011
Fari,
Wow! You nailed it with this piece.
One can always tell from the way a person writes if they are genuine or not.
This is from your heart. 100% with you.
*salutes you*
arianna
May 7, 2011
Dear Haris,
When the day is done, we all (save for the ignorant) know who are the real enemies of the country.
Ignore those mosquitoes. All noise but no action. Let them stay in the deep blue sea where BN want them.
As for that Bangkok drama, you did the right thing. It was wise for RPK to stay put. I speak from experience. Not that it happened to me personally but to friends.
Let’s keep the fire burning. We have a country to take.
p/s How r u? No matter the criticism remember we promise to fight another day.
Sang Kancil Guru
May 9, 2011
Haris, are you practicing censorship again on my comments? Very disappointed in you.
So I’m posting my previous comment here again, and I’ll check again to see if you do censorship like BN & UMNO:
Wow, this article and the comments in the discussion here are best described, using RPK’s favorite adjective, as very “cheong hei”. Get to the point instead of beating around the bush.
And while all of you people fiddle on who is a turncoat and whatnot, Rome burns. Good job.
Adam
May 13, 2011
Yes Haris,
Give yourself a break and let your spirit be refreshed and renewed from the recent events. Friends and acquaintances may doubt you and even condemn you but fear not; as long as you are true to your noble cause, nothing should shake you. And remember, when everyone and everything seems to be against you, there is still One who will not forsake you.
In trying times like this, may I point you to some songs of encouragement? They have lifted my spirits in times of need. May God bless you and keep you.
AgreeToDisagree
May 14, 2011
Inaction at all levels. Inaction for your would be allys, inaction in running during by-elections and inaction in galvanising a useful 3rd force. Hows the evil clique doing? Still confusing the Rakyat? MCLM has not made any concrete actions. The only thing left is to see if they run during GE13. Meanwhile all this half-blood Raja / traitor-or-not b.s. serves nothing but increase kopi-talk of no value.
Are there any MCLM branches in all states yet? No? But in every former Colony and microstate MCLM has a coterie of fifth columnist followers.
‘Great’ ‘strategy’ Raja Petra, Tengku Dr. Haris, Marina ‘Evil’ Mahathir.
Doctor A
May 14, 2011
Do you get bothersome and disturbing emails from MCLM asking you to join their team?
I do. I am forced to comment here after receiving several such emails from Raja Petra and Haris Ibrahim.
I want put a number of things on record, once and for all, for the President of MCLM.
With the title of your blog post, “good people being petrified”, you and MCLM are making a mockery of us people. It is an insult to us.
For your information, the overwhelming majority of us good people are nowhere near petrified.
We simply reject personality cults and groups that weaken the main opposition force for toppling BN by diluting votes.
MCLM is turning out to be just such a destructive group, regardless of its true intentions. This is treachery to the people who have suffered enough and yearn for change. It is also unfortunate that a stellar character like Malik Imtiaz Sarwar has been roped in under their banner.
I repeat: the people are not “petrified”.
It is MCLM that is “Petra-fied”.
So long as a dubious character such as Raja Petra is the kingpin running the MCLM show, we shall continue to reject MCLM.
He is not only unfit to lead MCLM, he is the single most biggest damage to MCLM’s reputation. He does not attract. He repels the good and decent people who are able and willing to contribute.
His refusal to step down to save the name and the cause of MCLM only shows he is relishing the taste of power as many politicians do.
He is no different to all the other politicians including Mahathir who claim the people or his organisation supposedly still needs him.
Dont take it from me. Take it from Raja Petra himself. To quote: “I wish to resign as Chairman of the movement but they have asked me not to do this. If the committee would accept my resignation then I would be most prepared to go. I hope the MCLM committee will reconsider its decision and allow me to resign. I do not want to go just like that and be accused of abandoning the movement.”
If Raja Petra was truly principled and cared for the cause, no committee on earth would be powerful enough to stop him from resigning and staying away from MCLM.
But there you have it, a cult leader in the making where the cause is secondary.
And Raja Petra and Haris Ibrahim have the audacity to tell me in their email that there are a lot of “misinformation” going on about MCLM.
My message to them is, we people are not blind.
Stop patronizing us.
Rahman Hyder
May 16, 2011
doctor a
you don’t speak for me.
i trust haris and rpk. you, on the other hand, do not have the courage even to comment under your own name.
my message to you – we people are not dumb.
farida
May 14, 2011
Ahmad pencen, you said this:
ahmad pencen Says:
May 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Dear Farida,
It is Mahathir who funded MCLM. He’s the one who is the real director of MCLM, and Haris and RPK are only his pupate, doing all his biding.
QUESTION:
Where is your proof? You hide behind a pseudonym to say this and give not even one bit of fact. Dare you come out with your real name? No.
You also said this:
Haris, please publish this on your blog. Let the whole world see it. One day Faridah, when the truth spills out to the entire nation, you will be ashamed of yourself for supporting betrayers who you think are fighting justice on your behalf.
MY SAY: Ahmad Pencen, Haris has published this. He dared to.
And today, we all know you are the one not fighting for justice. A person who fights for justice would not hurl accusations without giving facts. And you have given none. Not even one bit of substantiated argument.
I will not continue any exchange with you again because you are not into interested in looking for the truth.
Remember, I said my comments were for the good and sincere readers?
The Simple Man
May 14, 2011
Where’s Haris? He has been really quiet! Mist be he is upset and fed up with RPK and his antics!
Truthseeker
May 16, 2011
I demand transparency from the president of MCLM, Haris Ibrahim.
Is Marina Mahathir involved in, linked with or has anything to do with MCLM?
I know you respond to comments in italics, Haris.
Can you please respond to my comment?
She is not
shakuntala
May 17, 2011
Dear Malaysianatheart!
Many thanks…for your comment. Sorry,missed seeing you. I was having a break with kit kats! Try it …chocolates pump one up with renewed energy.
I believe all adults MUST know right from wrong. Based on this,if RPK wants to apologize, it is up to him. If he does not, it is also up to him.
We none of us have to depend on others to lead us. We can be guided by the dictates of our own reasoning,our own substance…. which is paying attention to our good sense, at all times.
AgreeToDisagree
May 20, 2011
Everyone just runh in your ownh constituency. The political party paradigm is just too unwieldy to work anymore and members end up being gangsters unaccountable to anyone hiding behind the party when they harm the people with Toll Concessions, Vehicular APs, Forced Military Conscriptions and APARTHEID. If you care and have the cash, just run for candidacy where MCLM does not. Simple.
pemerhati seberang
May 21, 2011
Why are you so quiet Haris? I’ve heard from friends in Malaysia you’re having some problems with your children.
Your son treats you contemptuously and your daughter and daughter in law are also quarreling with your wife!! Now a man’s enemies are the men of his own household!!
I suspect most of your problems are because you have a friend like RPK. Listen to us the readers, Haris. RPK is not good for you at all. You have become a pariah to us because of him.
Rpk Bangang
May 27, 2011
Rpk is confirmed a real useless Bangang man. Ego and a snake. Haris is ok I think. Anyways it doesn’t matter too much. Who r they compared to PR? I hope they have the balls to take part in elections and lose their money. Useless idiots!
peter ooi
May 30, 2011
Dear Harris and RPK
It’s not that people do not support your sense and justice and fair play in the present Malaysian poltical context. But sometimes i think we may have to be more discrete and discerning when lambasting PR. Remember they are under siege 24/7/365 days and as RPK mentioned it’s not a level playing field and goal posts are being shifted all the time ! To be equally fair to bot sides in your criticisms is already being unfair to the party that is handicapped. Let’s have change first in the GE then when the new PR government betrays the people’s trust, let them feel the wrath of the peoples’ parliament and the masses. 5 years is not too much to ask. So Let’s be FAIR to the weaker side by not being equally fair to bothe Giant BN and dwarf PR
with all respect to both of you for your courage and sense of righteousness.
peter