…would we see a repeat of the tsunami of 8308, or would BN get its 2/3 majority in Parliament?
…would Pakatan Rakyat win enough seats in Parliament to form the next government?
…knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you trust and vote for PAS?
…knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you vote for BN?
…would the fuel price increase, the VK Lingam RCI report, the PI Bala SD fiasco, the DSAI sodomy allegation, and the ‘who killed Altantuya’ question have a bearing on your vote, and if so, how?
…would the mainstream media report differently from how it did before the 12th GE?
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strupper2003
July 25, 2008
1. PAS would definitely not get as many non-Malay votes as it did (PAS has just lost whatever goodwill it has with the non-Malays by going behind PKR and DAP’s back to nego with Umno).
2. PKR would probably get about the same number of votes as it did despite the latest sodomy charge.
3. DAP would also get about the same number of votes.
State-wise,
Pakatan Rakyat will rule in Kelantan and Penang (reduced majority) but Kedah, Selangor and Perak will remain with BN.
On the plus side (for PR), it might win a few more states in BN-held states due to the petrol price hike issue.
strupper2003
July 25, 2008
“…would the mainstream media report differently from how it did before the 12th GE?”
Not likely. There is not much change to begin with even after 08.03.08. Chun Wai and his ilk are just baying for time (feeding non-BN supporters crumbs?).
Littlebird
July 25, 2008
Do u know something we don’t?
Littlebird,
Don’t think so
clearwater
July 25, 2008
All the more, I will vote for Pakatan Rakyat. Notwithstanding reservations about PR’s readiness and ability to be in Federal government, I will accept the consequences of such an action. The BN-Umno leaders have just lost about everything that is good and decent in human beings and continued to display crass ignorance of GE12’s lessons. They have to be sent into shameful defeat before they can reform. No more racist politics. No more divisive policies. No more BN-Umno please.
barry
July 25, 2008
Your questions, and my answers.
Q: Would we see a repeat of the tsunami of 8308, or would BN get its 2/3 majority in Parliament?
A: YES!
Q: Would Pakatan Rakyat win enough seats in Parliament to form the next government?
A: YES!
Q: Knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you trust and vote for PAS?
A: NO! Have always been very wary of this bunch of Taliban-wannabes.
Q: Knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you vote for BN?
A: HELL NO!
Q: Would the fuel price increase, the VK Lingam RCI report, the PI Bala SD fiasco, the DSAI sodomy allegation, and the ‘who killed Altantuya’ question have a bearing on your vote, and if so, how?
A: No, I would have voted against BN even if none of the above came up.
Q: Would the mainstream media report differently from how it did before the 12th GE?
A: No.
navi
July 25, 2008
Hi Haris,
Thats a lot of question. Would Pakatan win the elections?
I would say yes, now that more people are aware of BNs tactics and racial politics. We would probably see better performance by PR in Melaka, Johor and East Malaysia, provided PAS is not a party to it. PAS would be the loser as many would turn away from the party. Enough is enough. Talks with UMNO in whatever form should be the last thing on their mind. If UMNO had been sincere,Paklah would not have announced the meetings between UMNO and PAS as if they were on the verge of a convenient marriage. The result of these talks could have wrecked the pakatan.
We the rakyat are disappointed with PAS. No more talks and don’t give room for the MSM and the goons in UMNO to manipulate any statements made by the PR leadership.
A Malaysian
July 25, 2008
Let’s see …
a. Hopefully BN would “Be Ended.” It does have a nice ring to it.
b. One certainly hopes for PR to take the stage and thereby usher in a two party system for better check and balance when BN, while Be Ended, will hopefully re-engineer it self and prove its worth.
c. PAS, while radical, would still get my vote cos’ they are a far better choice than the UMNO specimens. Most Malays I believe, are religious but not radical.
d. never voted for BN, so can’t tell you.
e. Every news grabbing headline (from Malaysiankini and others but certainly not MSM) impacts us the rakyat because we are at the mercy of such gross dereliction of duties by the very people that are supposed to play a part in promoting quiet and peaceful lives for the rakyat. Instead, they have become Tecumseh and his offspring, happily plundering and ravishing our beloved nation, and bringing such shame upon the name of Malaysia.
As responsible and conscionable parents and citizens, our duty to our future generations is to stand up, voice up and stop this relentless degeneration of our people and country, lest all of us go the zimbabwe way!
Actually, zimbabweans are also at the mercy of the very people that are supposed to ensure quiet and peaceable lives. The correct term should be the “mugabe way.” But we know our Malaysian context, don’t we? And it starts with a big “U”. “Useless” is not it but it i close.
f. MSM? Hai yah!, truly not worth mentioning as they are Meaningless, Senseless, Mindless. Everyday is a paperless day.
In summary, snap elections? I say, “BRING IT ON!!”
makenon
July 25, 2008
with free flow of info (on the net),
i don`t thing BN would stand a chance in hell.
an war would stand for election ,probably in Pekan?
that would be interesting?!For once and all,
Then we could probably rest in peace?
enjoy….makenon
Hartal MSM
July 25, 2008
Q: …would the mainstream media report differently from how it did before the 12th GE?
On the eve of GE, WCW plumbed the depths with his hatchet job (complete with Info Box sidebar) on PAS. That’s the political purpose & function of his newspaper.
A Malaysiakini feature ‘Fortress Penang’ (July 24) by K. Sugumaran says Penangites are known for their resourcefulness and it’s not for nothing that state’s tagline is ‘Penang Leads’. He cites The Star as an example of this Penang fighting spirit – a made-in-Malaysia product that at 37 years of age is “the premier paper and also girdles the globe through cyberspace”.
The premier newspaper indeed leads. It leads in brainwashing readers that BN – epitomizing racial harmony – is a fulsome bonhomie of brotherhood. Well, now Khir Toyo reveals that Umno wanted to prevent DAP (& PKR) from making inroads & getting Chinese significantly into the S’gor state govt.
How is the Star-MCA-mouthpiece spinning BN’s rank hypocrisy on this one?
KevinP
July 25, 2008
We may have taken BN too lightly after the election. They have done enough I would say to cause PAS lose some credibility. They have also managed to sow fear into Malaysians as to the need for 2/3. They may have also learnt where to move their phantoms to ensure that they GET 2/3.
Pakatan on the other hand, has not been moving all too well in the states that they won. They could have done more than just populist policies. Amongst Pakatan states that did well, I guess… Penang? Selangor I would rate them as only average thus far as they have not done anything tangible.
Perak…. is a case study for Pakatan should they lose it. Their ability to co-operate and move as one body has been an issue in Perak.
Kedah is by far the worst run Pakatan state with not even a murmur of policies being implemented. Dad still stays there and apparently nothing has changed.
Will Malaysians crumble and surrender to BN? Had a feeling many will…. (my 2sen) then again… I won’t!
Doctor Zhivago
July 25, 2008
I will go for PKR or DAP of course..PAS is too insecure about their own stand. Not fit for govern-mental roles.
Actually, being a Malay and a Muslim, voting for DAP still makes me feel a little insecure. Who knows when they’ll become like PAS, since they are also a race-based party. But.. is DAP really a race-based party? I cant be sure. But for now, PKR seems the most relevant party in today’s environment.
We’re all brothers and sisters Malaysians!!
temenggong
July 25, 2008
This is an academic exercise, as it will not happen. BN will never dare to call for elections.
Whether now, or in 2013, Pakatan would win a two-third majority!
wandererAUS
July 25, 2008
Hey Harris, would’nt it be much easier to have a poll on your questions…just, Yes, No and Undecided. Perhaps, a a brief remark on how the voters came to their decisions.
No offense, just a suggestion.
Myblog
July 25, 2008
I think PR will win despite some loss of confidence in PAS. PAS can do as it please but it is the manner in which it did it that was not correct. Further I think Nik Aziz maintains the same respect from me (non muslim) but the others like Hadi etc I view with caution
Nevertheless, PAS is clean and what we really want is a corruption, nepotism, cronyism free government that treats all as equals. Here I elaborate that the special position of the natives can be maintained but with due consideration to the economically disadvantaged of other races
Bentoh
July 25, 2008
I’ll pray for a whole new party… Parti Bangsa Malaysia maybe? to form in 1 week time… and contest in all 222 parliamentary seats… and I’ll happily vote for it…
instead of BN… because I hate this coalition to death…
instead of Pakatan Rakyat… because I’m fed up and disgusted with the leader in the name of Anwar Ibrahim who never-endingly and repetitively told us that he has enough number of frogs…
su
July 25, 2008
If everyone in Malaysia were to think like me, I’d say that BN would not get even a single vote. But they don’t, so I guess it’s difficult to say whether what would happen should there be a snap GE.
Knowing what I know today, the injustice is too much. I don’t know how much better the Pakatan Rakyat reps will fare, but if we wait for someone that we KNOW FOR CERTAIN will do a better job, then there will never be any change.
mugabe
July 25, 2008
PAS will NOT get the Chinese and Indians votes in ALL the major West Coast of Malaya.
DAP will garner more votes fromt he Chinese and Indians.
UMNO may get the a divided Malay votes.
PKR will flounder …..into oblivion.
And we will be back into a very Feudal, Anachronistic, Malay adminsitration ….. Police, AG, Judges, immigration, Customs, JPJ, GLCs will once again become centres of cronyism, nepotism, corruption.
Go tell these PAS fellows to re-read their Kitabs !
sinniah
July 25, 2008
Harris,
I got involved in an accident and for the moment, it is public transport, either taxi, bus or rail. From what I gather from talking to people, BN will be in for a skinning this time around and it will be TSUNAMI II.
amy
July 25, 2008
aah, i was hoping for another election soon! We were all told not to be too complacent when we won big as UMNO/BN will try their utmost best to sabotage it. We were also told not to rest on our laurels but instead pray even harder for our elected leaders like Khalid and LGE in Selangor and Penang respectively that any form of evil plans and intention conjured up by UMNO/BN to destroy their plans for these states will not work. Look how this has backfired on them? More to come, I’m sure. Lastly, it would be ideal if there’s another chance to vote again.
adam
July 25, 2008
hi all
i think BN will win handsomely. this is mainly because the non-malays are very suspicious with PAS and will not vote for PAS (eventhough PAS has reassured them that it will stick with PR). on the other hand, malays will vote for BN and PAS but will abandon PKR, let alone DAP (i guess as the reaction of the non-malays action for not voting for PAS). at the end, BN will return to power with 2/3 majority. GOD FORBID!
malayamuda
July 25, 2008
i think Pakatan will win 2/3rds this time. The mood on the ground is with Pakatan. However many have reservations about PAS.
PAS may lose more seats this time
int
July 25, 2008
I can guarantee this: we will see a lot more spoilt votes.
matt
July 25, 2008
Don’t forget if umno survives this snap election we r talking about, it will become a bigger monster than before.One more thing harris it would of greater value if a person like you stood as a MP.
IZZIT
July 25, 2008
Assuming vote are not rigged or rigged the same rate as before.
BN will get at most 5% less votes in most constituency especially rural areas, but losses more seats at state and parliament level because many more unregistered voters has registered to vote PR especially PK & DAP. There were much less spoilt votes translated to votes for PR.
In fact, rural areas registered lower percentile of voters as many stayed home to save petrol while urban registered higher percentile of voters as many believe voting will help reduce petrol prices.
Benny Lee
July 25, 2008
Hi Harris,
I do not agree with some of your readers’ comment that the chinese will not vote PAS if there is snap election.
The behind the scene discussion is not supported by majority of the members of PAS and therefore the question of PAS deserting PKR is very slim.
I strongly believe that Umno is trying to create distrust amongst the PKR coalition after failing to entice PAS to join them in the government.
PKR should remember that their common enemy is the Umno led BN government.
Yes, I strongly believe that PKR will form the new government if there is a snap election but with a small majority.
arianna
July 25, 2008
Dear Haris,
I, the perpetual optimist say PR would win big. Sabah would certainly fall this time.
But I don’t think BN would even dare to call a snap election. It’s political suicide for them. Glad you’re ok now. Take care.
Leithaisor
July 25, 2008
Pakatan Rakyat has, even with the odd mistake here and there, done a far better job than BNin the 5 states it controls.
Even the PAS-UMNO talks, though unsettling especially where Hadi’s stance is concerned, has not ruled out voting for PAS where I [a non-Muslim Chinese] is concerned.
The mainstream media has generally shown some small improvement in terms of balanced reporting since March 8th, but the grade is still “F”.
The massive fuel price increase fiasco, the Lingam RCI report, PI Bala SD fiasco, and the ‘who killed Altantuya’ question have, together with other issues, have confirmed in my mind that I cannot support the BN government.
I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the govt where the Anwar sodomy allegation is concerned, and will wait for the law to take its course. I do not, however, accpet the way the police prematurely arrested Anwar, not the stupid statements from the various govt figures defending the arrest; this part counted against the BN govt to me.
And with the PM’s latest untenable move – approving the 14 Mercedes E200 Kompressors costing RM3.43mil for the Terengganu Exco – knocking another big nail in BN’s coffin, I think there is absolutely NO QUESTION in my mind that I would vote PR again.
And I think as many, if not more, Malaysian will think as I do – so The March 8 tsunami will be repeated.
Unless some mysterious postal votes deluge occurs, or legions of ghosts and masses of freshly minted Malaysians materialise.
And if Anwar remains free, then I think he will be taking over from the sleepy PM, with a PR government around him.
If Anwar is jailed, my opinion is that the next governing coalition will still be PR [with the gains due to protest votes more than making up for the negative impact due to loss of Anwar’s campaigning], but there will be some lenghty negotiations before the next PM is decided. Personally I would root for Husam.
daryl
July 25, 2008
PR will probably lost Perak but will gain Sabah and Sarawak. Thus, you will have PR in the Federal government and Malaysia will march to a brighter future… Just keeping my fingers cross what I wish will come true…
Shiok Guy
July 25, 2008
Dear all
Before GE12, I manage to convince a lot of older generation uncles and aunties to vote anything but BN. Even when they reluctantly vote for Green Moon..
Before that, the mindset is Vote Opposition UNLESS It is PAS…
But if GE13 is held tomorrow.. PAS will lost and PR will lost more.. PERIOD!
I blog after what happen from all my uncles and aunties after march 8. After PAS open it’s big stupid mouth…
http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2008/04/pas-another-umno-in-making.html
PAS need to come out and openly said that “NO Islamic State agenda” else PR will have to dump PAS…
Shiok Guy
hazel
July 25, 2008
I am very sad now. Is there still hope in Malaysia?? It looks like no one political party in Malaysia that we can trust. Can you form another party????I am sure you will get many votes.
IZZIT
July 25, 2008
Sorry I forgot to predict result.
GE13
BN : UMNO 47, MCA 1, MIC 0, GERAKAN 0
PR : PK 86, DAP 72, PAS 14
IND :2, Ibrahim Ali Out.
Patriotic1994
July 25, 2008
Definitely I will still vote Opposition, be it DAP, PAS or PKR.
IF DAP, PAS and PKR line up for me to choose, I will chose in the order of: DAP, PKR and PAS.
Reason: I don’t know much about PAS and I think PKR is like ex-UMNO. However PKR is a multiracial political party.
Where isn’t there a logo for Pakatan Rakyat? This PR is not formed? Why can’t form it now and get DAP + PKR + PAS to be the members?
I am still be positive about PAS and PKR even though they are suffering some setback recently. I will blame UMNO for making it a big issue.
UMNO or BN can only regain their credit IF they solve all the pending issues happening to the country, most importantly is Judiciary. Other come seconds.
BUT BUT BUT… I don’t think they can solve the Judiciary by tomorrow! And I don’t think it is possible by 2010. Thus, NO WAY UMNO can regain their support from the people without cheating.
gooeyglobs
July 25, 2008
Come on you guys, in every political party there are those who greed at the wrong thing and at the wrong time. Nik Aziz and the Pas Youths had made their stands clear. Do not blame Pas as a whole.
We rakyat must push harder and more if a snap election is to be held.We should not allow Umno-Pas talk to distort our thinking. The greatest enemy facing us is the Election Commission.
BERSIH must rise again!
toyolbuster
July 25, 2008
Can you blame DAP for not trusting PAS. My answer to all the above questions is very simple. Let PAS continue to rule Kedah and Kelantan. Get rid of them fast in all the other states especially Perak. Umno and PAS are preparing for the 13GE, which may take place very soon.
allanlee
July 25, 2008
My vote still going to the opposition.
As a non-malay, I hope PAS will clean out their UMNO-PAS issue soon. Opposition will win more votes definately arround this time-atleast from the response of people I gathered..
I like chopin
July 25, 2008
Hello Haris
Wow,this is a lot to answer in one go but will try.
1)Repeat of 8/3/08? Yes,and an even bigger tsunami.BN will be denied 2/3 again.Already proven possible.
2)PR as the next federal goverment? Most likely,provided that Rashid fella is not around,indelible ink is allowed and the phantom voters exorcised.
3)trust/vote PAS again? Never again.Like what Nik Aziz himself said”you won’t get bitten by the same snake in the same hole twice.”
4)vote BN? No way.Like you,I was fooled by Flip Flop in 2004.With face so clean and innocent but he ended up as the biggest liar in the country.
5)Would fuel hike and recent scandals have a bearing on my vote? Yes,help to convinced me that the sooner BN goes the better for the country and the people.Who needs a suspected murderer or an egoistic beruk as PM?
6)MSM to report differently? Unlikely.Infact they will face more pressure to lie for their desperate masters.
If a snap election will put things in place,then bring it on,the sooner the better.I wanted my country back and a normal life again.
MalaysiaScrewedUP
July 25, 2008
BN vs PR (PKR, DAP and PAS)
I believe PR have very high possibility to topple BN, and can setup a stable federal management.
IF BN + PAS Vs PR with PKR + DAP
PR still can win with abt 60 seats
IF only UMno + PAS Vs PR with PKR + DAP + PBS + MCA + MIC 🙂 very high changes to take over federal management but nation will be very unstable
H Amri
July 25, 2008
If the non-Malays would not vote for Pas this time, are they going to vote for UMNO? Or are they not going to vote at all in cases where there is a straight fight between Pas and UMNO? I am assuming that if there is a snap election now, the Pakatan Rakyat understanding for GE-12 will remain in place. Don’t tell me that just because of the actions of a few “rogue” Pas leaders, UMNO has suddenly become more trustworthy to the non-Malays.
Syahredzan Johan
July 25, 2008
I’ll definately vote for Pakatan Rakyat. I’m even more disillusioned with Barisan Nasional then before, and I believe many share the same sentiments.
And just a word on those who so easily proclaim distrust in PAS.
You might not know it, but the overwhelming majority of PAS supporters and leaders are against the move by certain leaders who tried to forge closer co-operation.
We shouldn’t fall for into UMNO’s trap in making us think that PAS as a whole wants to merge with UMNO.
We’d do well to remember one undeniable fact: PAS has been battling UMNO’s injustice way before such things were considered the ‘in’ thing.
better future for all
July 25, 2008
BN will fall if there is an election.
Much, much worse than before.
They will go for a snap election, probably
use Emergency Rule or
Mr. C-4 will use military rule.
Drachen
July 25, 2008
BN will lose. The debate has shown very clearly that BN will not lift a finger to help the rakyat. BN is only interested in making excuses for doing nothing.
Jeremiah
July 25, 2008
Here’s a prediction from Chuck Pierce who visited Penang last year. I have the file but rather not put in public space. Much of what he has said appears to have come true with GE12.
A pillar in the governing camp will move and come out in favour of the opposing camp. Much turmoil in the first 10 months of 2008 before the politics stabilise.
Does this mean a big party from BN will cross over? Or the intervention of the King?
I’ll let u guys know more once I figure out the riddle suffice to say his advice is to pray alot for the incumbent to change or be defeated.
ahjamal
July 25, 2008
First my questions will UMNO/BN allow SNAP election They will go for emergency rule at all costs
Second can the election chairman be revelent today daily express in Sabah postal voter bags are found floating on the river.
Snap election if any will have many changes on Federal level for states Perak may fall to BN. Penang PR will gather more state seets
PAS may forgo some ferderal seets unless they clear up their backyard soon. That is greedy leaders doing secret meetings is a betray to their own party.
Sabah and Sarawak may see 20 or more federal seets from BN going to PR.
RKP
July 25, 2008
There is not much future with BN after seeing the International response to the political state of the ruling govt.in Malaysia. Locally, its doubly worse!
There is a need for world class leaders for the global problems we are facing today.There is a clear shortage of them, if you have watched the parlimentary sessions live, you will realize it.Professionalism in tackling global problems nearly zero.Still petty over trivial issues.Very ‘short-sighted’ politicians .Imagine, still fighting over what car to use!!!!
This country is a lousy example of democracy and the whole world knows that.You cannot fool them.
My bet is still on Anwar and his professional partners.
Some of them may not be professional enough,but Anwar have to drill it into them like he is drilling it into us at the rallies.Perfect Score for Anwar and Gang to take over leadership of the govt.
A true Malaysian
July 25, 2008
The recent much publicised news on talks between Umno and PAS may be part of the strategy by Umno to create mistrust among non-Malay voters, who gave overwhelming support to PAS.
As the deadline of Sept 16 is getting near, Umno may decide to call for snap election so to counteract the exodus of its MPs to Pakatan. So, creating mistrust of non-Malay voters on PAS will benefited Umno if call for snap election before Sept 16.
If my guess is true, then Pakatan Rakyat should be aware of this and convince Malaysian at large that these are Umno’s ploy and should remain even more united .
Just hope MCA and Gerakan will do us a big favour, ie pull out from BN. There is no hope Umno will change.
Just keep our fingers crossed.
amoker
July 25, 2008
PAS needs to come clean and say that they rejected UMNO and this is all a ploy.
Who will win? Not BN. The cost of living will be the determening factor.
sambal muncha
July 25, 2008
Now that the BN component parties have been proven to be rather irrelevant, their voter base will form a mass of “undecided” voters, whom the opposition coalition must try and win over.
The more pertinent question here is, would there be a level playing field in terms of campaigning and would there be transparency in the electoral process? If yes, then PKR would absolutely kick butt!
To ease the angst of some readers wrt PAS going to bed with UMNO, read Tulang Besi’s take on this:
http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2008/07/muzakarah-another-perspective.html
Proton proton proton
July 25, 2008
Between a thief and PAS, I vote for PAS.
mei1
July 25, 2008
Vote for BN? NO consideration will be given until the return of independent judiciary system & ACA, seperation of powers and all sort of evil acts like ISA, Printing act have been revoked.
If it really happens to be a snap election, I’ll look forward to a new government to reform the country for the betterment of all Malaysians.
Menyalak-er
July 25, 2008
Interesting hypothetical question…hmm?
No more Be-eNd now, its fully bUMNO.
So sdr. Haris, its between bUMNO vs. PR?
Angst at PAS will settle with Tuan Guru Nik Aziz’s firm stand, and the bUMNO moles/wannabes will be kicked out asap. Wish the get rid of the Talibanists too…
Sabahans and Sarawakians should come to their senses.
Conclusion: PR wins by near 2/3 majority.
But this is a hypothesis, not theory yet – right??
siti r
July 25, 2008
Apparently the news about the bn-pas talks have made a lot of ppl wary of pas. Well bn have succeeded to erode the confidence of the rakyat against pas. this way pr only have dap as partner and anwar will just keep on being in-waiting then
siti r
July 25, 2008
whoaa whoaa b4 you guys shoot me down, i’m all for a new govt-out with bn,out with pak lah and najib
bayi
July 25, 2008
Between PAS and BN, I would still vote for PAS. At least for the time being. But never for BN. It has become a dirty word to me.
scout
July 25, 2008
Well, Harris, I vote based on issue. And DAP seems to be the only party that is really pushing for a secular state. Therefore, they will always have my vote as long as they stand firm with that. I believe in separation of church and state. I am not much of a socialist, but they are the best option available now (for me, that is). My only gripe is that they seem like a Chinese dominated party even though the party is not supposed to be a race-based party.
rocky
July 25, 2008
Q: Would we see a repeat of the tsunami of 8308, or would BN get its 2/3 majority in Parliament?
A: Yes there will be a repeat..BN will be sodomised
Q: Would Pakatan Rakyat win enough seats in Parliament to form the next government?
A: Yes…like in 99 cos they tried to pin Anwar thus will loose more votes
Q: Knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you trust and vote for PAS?
A: Not really..but will give them a chance to explain themselves and then decide
Q: Knowing all that you know now since the 12th GE, would you vote for BN?
A: No then and even a bigger NO now!!
Q: Would the fuel price increase, the VK Lingam RCI report, the PI Bala SD fiasco, the DSAI sodomy allegation, and the ‘who killed Altantuya’ question have a bearing on your vote, and if so, how?
A:Just makes my NO a firm one for BN
Q: Would the mainstream media report differently from how it did before the 12th GE?
A: No way…can’t trust them
Paul Warren
July 25, 2008
Tehre are sodomites even in PAS. Just read this post by Tulang Besi. http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2008/07/muzakarah-another-perspective.html
tamade
July 26, 2008
Haris, my bet will be on PKR. BN is rotting and the Rakyat has suffered enough.UltaManNo will suffer even bigger defeat.
As for PAS, they must realise that UltaManNo played them out before. It is extremely foolish for leaders like HA, Nasaruddin etc to negotiate power sharing with dirty and corrupted ruling elites in BN who have tarnished the good names of Islam.
People like HA, Nasaruddin and etc must repent and apologise for their mistakes, they have betrayed their own grassroots and the non-Malay Voters.
This is the dirty trick initiated by UltaManNo to split PAS and PR. And it is indeed strange that how easy for some PAS leaders to fall into the trap. This has clearly depicted the weaknesses of these leaders.
Therefore PAS has to do a soul searching to rectify their mistakes. Otherwise, they will be the biggest loser and this is exactly what UltaManNo wants to see.
kevyeoh
July 26, 2008
we have to try to reach to kampung and rural folks or else i think BN will still win…
can confirm that BN has already lost the internet war but with those rural support, they will still win….
shweta
July 26, 2008
Our common enemy is UMNO – BN. Whatever said and done BN will not win. Only this time Pas has been put in a bad light by umno who will do anything under the sun to regain power. they are not interested in anything other than the $$$$ in the government coffers. So my vote will be for DAP or PKR. I am not sure about PAS.They have to stop communicating with umno and work towards building up Pakatan Rakyat otherwise they will lose their seats if a snap election is called for.
Paul Warren
July 26, 2008
PAS says Muzakarah is NOT o.k. But Muqabalah is o.k.
It is like saying to your daughter, don’t get yourself seduced. But it is o.k. to flirt! Yes? No?
Bigjoe
July 26, 2008
If I hear PAS complain they are NOT treated as equal in Pakatan OR with enough respect again, they can go muzakarah/muqabalah it. They don’t treat others as equal or respect, they should not expect it.
Apeiron
July 26, 2008
Our rationality are easily displaced by emotionally charged issues, especially recent events which upset us. This often leads us to make the “wrong” decisions which have long term implications for our country and ourselves. Allowing recent unhappiness and misgivings to dictate what decisions we should make for our long term interests is plain stupid and suicidal.
If a snap GE is called tomorrow, I would still vote for PAS. The logic is simple, PAS is a far lesser evil than UMNO/BN.
From the religious perspective, both PAS and UMNO are propagating their own brand of Islam. But the difference is PAS fears ALLAH, while UMNO’s affinity for money and corruption are stronger than its claimed proximity to/and love of ALLAH.
The “recent affair” between PAS and UMNO which came about as a result of UMNO’s seduction, is a mis-step by a section of the PAS leaders. We should not hold the entire party as “guilty”.
The Rakyat must realise that ONLY PAS is in a position to dislodge UMNO/BN (UMNO realises this and that is why it went on a seduction trip to trap PAS). We need the grassrot strength of PAS to topple UMNO/BN.
Let us not paint PAS all black just because of its recent “mis-step”. Remember our bigger evil is UMNO/BN which we must first get rid, and only then we address the minor problems plaguing us.
rcchia
July 26, 2008
Wistful thinking-leh !! I can’t possibly see all these happen, not in my lifetime anyway.
BN and its machinery is too entrenched in every part of our nation – GLCs, Government agencies, policies, economics, infrastructure projects, social organisations, etc – should it fall, many many people will lose their jobs, their rice bowls, their security and inflation may become uncontrollable. The most I see is they lose more seats, and perhaps over time, their power becomes eroded further.
resident.wangsamaju
July 26, 2008
Voting for PAS is no issue. I respect the PAS people for what they do. As with any party, we as rakyat makes sure they do the job right. A PR govt will be listening and more accountable govt. I will bet my money on them.
Naksam
July 26, 2008
I am residing in Seremban. From where I am, I have the feeling that BN would get back at least half of what they have lost. This is because, through my talking to the grassroots, most of the votes that went to the PR were protest votes.
It all depends on how and who BN selects their candidates.
Parli-Man
July 26, 2008
verry3 much anti BN
songsong
July 26, 2008
If BN get back 2/3 in GE 13, Msian future will surely be ruined !
doggone
July 27, 2008
Haris,
I don’t know if they allow cheramahs in snap-elections, but I know PAS would be befuddled and rather speechless to address the mixed crowd after sleeping with the enemy.
Ha, and what of our economy when all the government’s effort are diverted to win back the lost states? Frustration and helplessness couple with intense anger for sure.
Will I vote for PAS this time? Damn it, I have too. Maybe I’ll go kick their ass after that. Sometimes I wonder if some of these PAS fellas would talk about how to improve the economy and stop those pathetic Islamic issues for once. No need to talk about wearing lipsticks and high heels coz if we can’t survive, there is no money to them anyway.
Will UMNO or Pakatan Rakyat take the cake this time? I think if there is no rigging, PR will win another 20 seats with the help of Sabah and Sarawak. MCA will be wiped out this time and Dr.Chua will breath a sigh of relief that he can continue his philandering ways without the fear of hidden cameras.
Should UMNO recoup a two-third majority, we might as well blog about how to contact Saiful’s uncle/aunty ‘Pet’ and get some of his/her soiled underwear to be auction on ebay. Hey, you tell me, which country in the world wouldn’t pay a high price for our historical past.. I mean ass.
Security And Prosperity Partnership
July 27, 2008
Pleasant words are a honeycomb, Sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.BibleBible, Proverbs 16:24
iqbal
July 27, 2008
Personally impossible to vote BN- not before,not now or ever in the future. Pakatan needs time to consolidate and gain confidence and needs DSAI to keep it together and moving.So my vote for them at the next elections.
To my utter surprise and dismay PAS looks like a renegade. Remember the 11th GE and the results in Terengganu (in particular) were such that PAS convinced me that that they had evidence of vote rigging, phantom voters etc and went to the courts. Then everything fizzled out and the grapevine was abuzz with talk of a compromise and the assumption that the rising star in UMNO(the notorious a son in law) has struck a deal with PAS. PAS never explained what happened to this day. So could the current mukabalah be a continuation of those deals struck. It give Islam a bad name (deviousness) and looks like greed for power is undermining our faith to bring order to the nation. Hard to prefix the word “nation” with “beloved” as many writers are wont to because UMNO’s racism has killed off any feeling of endearment.Thanks for the forum Haris.