Not deliberately, perhaps, but have we?
Not setting out to lie and mislead him, but have we, nonetheless?
Have we, you and I, on the one hand, and RPK on the other, been at cross-purposes?
We’ve given him the wrong impression?
Let me try and illustrate the point I’m trying to make.
The setting is perfect.
Music, lighting and all.
Two people look into each others eyes, one declares to the other, ‘I want you tonight’, and the other proclaims ‘Yes, make love to me’, both not quite realising that they don’t quite mean the same thing.
One is in lust mode, the other in love.
No-one’s trying to mislead anyone.
At cross purposes.
Only to be discovered later, probably at the expense of one, when that one is in dire straits.
A bit like RPK and us, perhaps?
RPK exposes one scandal after another, and we urge him on.
‘Malaysia needs you, RPK’, ‘You are our hero, RPK’, ‘We salute you, RPK’…
RPK does not pause to ask, ‘What mean you all by this?’
RPK is threatened with arrest, with detention, with law suits and all and sundry declare solidarity with him.
Check the comments in Malaysia Today!
Check the comments here!
‘We are with you, YM’, ‘We will walk with you all the way, RPK’ and ‘We are praying for you’.
Again, RPK never stopped to ask.
And so I ask now what all this means?
‘We are with you?’
But he’s in detention and we’re all out here!
‘We will walk with you?’
RPK isn’t walking anywhere tonight! He hasn’t been walking anywhere these last 10 days!
‘We are praying for you?’
Yes, and then what?
Do you think he read too much into all these declarations?
And reading too much, he asked of the millions of MT readers for 150,000 signatures for the petition to the Agong in relation to the judiciary, and got 25,700++?
What could we all possibly have meant by these declarations of solidarity and support if the petition demanding his release from ISA detention, now four days old, has garnered 20,463 signatures?
Just what do we mean?
Would we risk losing our liberty in order to secure his? Is that what we mean?
Risk our jobs? Our business? Our families?
No?
Never mind RPK.
Would we risk losing our liberty, our jobs, our business and our families to bring about the changes we want to see in our country?
No?
To one of the posts on our Hartal ISA that is now on standby mode, someone sent in this comment :
‘…if a nationwide hartal is called on a working day, there could be a blanket suspension of leave so those who choose to go may face possible dismissal at work. Much as I want to see change, putting my job on the line with young children to support rattles my nerve. I am sorry if my lack of courage is a dampener to others. I wish I am more brave. For a start, should we go ahead with the strike, can we do it on a Saturday or a public holiday?’
To the individual who sent in this comment, please do not take this as a personal attack. Truly, it is not.
In fact, I thank you for your honesty.
I’m just left wondering if perhaps we haven’t been as forthright with RPK as we all could have been.
The People's Parliament 
Muhammad Firdaus Christopher
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
Yes, I fully agree with you on this posting and reckon that I can stand up with my heads held high as I have not only been supportive in my actions but also with me being there personally with Marina, you, Zorro and others to show my solidarity, affections for this individual who had put his life on wire in the hope of a better Malaysia for all.
I’ve received messages in the past from both family and friends telling me not to be too engrossed with all this but my conscious is very clear…and need to stay on course with the struggle and principles.
I have been saying all this while in all my comments @ blogs, discussions with fellow comrades that we failed when it matters most especially during the petition signage. There are loads of readers, commentors who love to read the explosive articles by Pete but don’t have the desire to stand up along Pete when the going gets tough.. Really Sad !
God Bless, Christopher
God bless
The Ancient Mariner
September 23, 2008
Methinks its really up to Anwar now.
No way this govt is going to let RPK out under the present circumstances. The fact that many who leave comments here all anonymous for some reason or other shows how committed they are.
Jeyapalan.T.S.Mahesan
September 23, 2008
Bro!
Well put!
I have always pondered on this as I read all the mush as comments on the bloggs!
Where are they when the clarion call is made.
Its is a great cartharsis to put down in paper,
but to come out and show your actual support!
I remember for the Bersih Rally, my nephew, who has a two year old and a foreign wife, wanted to bring his son along.I said no as the possible effect of tear gas would be there. But along with him, I meet thousands of young & old with children & grandchildren, all out there!
AND NOW TO SIGN AN ONLINE PETITION ??????
HARTAL ?????? JUST DO NOT GO TO WORK!!!!
Hang around , call in sick , call in an emergency!!!
Maybe the constant harrasement by the powers that be has began to have some effect!??
Chiao!
C U anon at DUTA!
doggone
September 23, 2008
Haris,
I know you’re real pissed, and if the numbers of signatories for the release of RPK is anything to go by, I’d say the idea of giving up The Cause for a better Malaysia might have cross your mind.
I was pining for 20k by late Sunday, but we could only garner that amount about 3 hours before midnite on Monday. I noticed the signatures came to a trickle after news that the application for his habeas corpus was brought forward.
Ya, it’s easy to heap accolades and shower praise sitting in the comfort of your home while the man fights for all of us, including the politicians and police officers who arrested him.
Haris, I think RPK knows quite well the subdue and restrained mentality of his fellow malaysian. Though he would happy with abundant support, he is seldom discouraged by the lack of it. No surprise why you’re frustrated by the poor showing of support.
From what I can tell, the goodness of Raja Petra has rubbed off on you and some of his good friends. Reading your articles and knowing of your undying effort to see him free, I must say Pete has a life long friend in you.
If it is of any consolation to you, my whole family has signed the petition. Friends too. All willing and not coerced.
Hang in there man. He might be out sooner that you think and he might even celebrate his birthday at the Wharf with you and some of his closest friends. Don’t be surprise to see ‘dog-food’ in tow from his cell just so you fellas can get a helping.
Lyn
September 23, 2008
You are right Haris. Every morning, when I turn on my computer and see the figure moving up in bits and pieces, I feel so sad. What more, some are even making fun of it by putting in absurd names. But I have faith. When we are united in prayers, God never fails.
sam
September 23, 2008
In the book, “The Ascent of Man” [sic], the author says: ‘Knowledge is not a loose-leaf notebook of facts. Above all it is a responsibility for the integrity of what we are, primarily of what we are as ethical creatures. You cannot possibly maintain that informed integrity if you let other people run the world for you while you yourself continue to live out of a rag bag of morals that come from past beliefs. That is really crucial today’.
There are all manner of political, religious, and social movements, which impose their view of reality, their version of the truth, the goal of which is to control and maintain an ever-increasing base of followers. Their proselytizing campaigns are designed to play on the common fears of the masses – they know people are afraid and they offer a solution designed to allay those fears. Well-known examples of this kind were the structures in Germany during the Nazi years, in Eastern Europe under the Soviets, Iran under Khomeini, and Kampuchia under Pol Pot. There are many other examples including religious fundamentalist movements. Some movement leaders define an enemy who must be destroyed, an enemy defined as the source of primordial evil. Other movement leaders see the evil in ideas and life-styles. People are offered oversimplified answers that dispel fear created by doubt and uncertainty created by internal psychological conflict and external social forces. This has become particularly dangerous today because of sophisticated communication technology and increasing expertise of the psycho-social sciences.
In any kind of social system, the largest group of players is bystanders. The same seems to be true of the MT readers. By definition, they do not get actively involved, especially in emergency situations. Where one or more persons are in danger, bystanders could, by taking some form of action, affect the outcome of the situation even if they were not able to avert it. In any emergency, whether that threatening the life of one person or many, bystanders have great power if they choose to exert it because they are by far the largest group in any social system. By not intervening, they give tacit approval to the misuse of power they are witnessing.
At the end of the day, it is fear that makes for bystanders. And its not just fear of the powers that be but also fear schooled by family, friends, teachers, religious preachers, etc. We need to empathize with bystanders. But there is hope for change – if bystanders can change their fearful behaviour, they can affect change in the social system that has caused them their fear in the first place.
According to folk wisdom, we have to be part of the problem or part of the solution…and not to decide is to decide.
SON OF THE ETERNAL BLISS
September 23, 2008
Harris my man, finally the truth. Who are politicians? They are just the sum total of what we, the Rakyat are! We call them corupt, racist, bigots and what not? But sir, are we not all? Policeman stops us for speeding. We pay them RM50.00 to escape the fine of RM 300.00
What difference does it make? RM 50.00 / RM 300 Million. Corruption of the mind is of greater importance here. We will not question a wrong if the the perpetrator is of our own race/political affiliation. We cheat on Income Tax, why not every one does! Grants are given to NGO’s through political parties. A RM 5000 grant reaches the NGO less 30-35%. Hey! where’s the balance? Hoi! every one does it! Be happy you are getting at least 65-70%.
We vote and put up the politicians where they are. But, due to our selfish needs and wants, we create demigods out of them and beg their favours and satisfy ourselves with the little crumps thrown at us. Eventhough we can’t stand them & their arrogance, we can’t and will not do a thing, for they are a mirror reflection of ourselves. Then comes along a fool(not literallY) like RPK and we are happy to make a scape goat out of him/her. Let someone else do our dirty work. What a fallacy? But sir, in the natural scheme of things, the cry of a soul such as RPK will not go in vain. There is such a thing as Universal Dharma. No matter how much evil men may perpetrate, Dharma will prevail, so says Krishna in Bagavath Geetha. Blessed be RPK the soul of Mahathma Ghandi.
Ben
September 23, 2008
Yes, a very concise point there. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. But pray tell why must we be concerned about the weak when we are strong through God who strengthen us? Throughout history, freedom and anything else worth fighting for, was upheld by a few good men and women.
“The secret of happiness is freedom. The secret of freedom is courage.” Thucydides (Ancient Greek historians and author, 460-404bc)
“Freedom is for honest people. No man who is not himself honest can be free – he is his own trap.” L. Ron Hubbard (American Science-fiction Writer, Novelist and Founder of Scientology; 1911-1986)
BobSam
September 23, 2008
Ouch! That was very painful.
But this is reality.
We are all arm-chair quarterbacks.
But I believe in the power of prayer.
Let’s pray. Let us join our moslems brethren and fast & pray for the release of RPK, for a change in government and for peace in Malaysia.
Impossible? Not for God.
Please accept our human frailities.
Thong
September 23, 2008
Haris
I think RPK (and I should also add, that most of his readers) was mesmerised by the amount of hits on his site which he or all of us equated to support (regretfully superficial now).
Feel that he has been had by all of us
James Loh
September 23, 2008
The reason folks did not sign the petition because they fear UMNO might get hold of petition list. Therefore, they did not sign it. In the begining, I fear of signing the petition but after looking at RPK’s wife video I felt sad for her. So, I signed the petition. Also, I signed the petition because I know RPK is a good Malaysian that stands for justice and fairness. He campaigned hard for Keadilan and DAP.
James,
God bless
Malaysian Wannabe Again
September 23, 2008
Haris
I empathise with your frustration and share the same frustration that the numbers are not gaining momentum at a pace that we all would like. I think that there is a misconception that the million of hits translate to million of readers/supporters. I know that I visit MT at least 20 to 30 times a day and read just about all the posting there. You know what they say about statistics.
On my part, I know at least 10 people have signed from both my brother’s and my family as well two other friends. I have been sending emails to my colleagues and associates but I can’t force them if they are not prepared. I guess that I could generated hundreds of hotmail addresses and sign that way but that defeats the purpose.
I will send another lot of emails again to implore people to do it.
Cheers
RitchieLow
September 23, 2008
Hi Harris,
I believe RPK got into all these knowingly and it is sort of a personal Jihad for him, to fight against injustice and corruption. He don’t really need anyone to cheer him on, reading the general public mood yes, but I doubt he acts based on comments on MT.
A fight like this requires sacrifices to be made, he is fully aware and we praise his courage and commitment as our leader on bloggersphere, and so are you and a host of others we look up to and praises on. If one can’t lead, one just follows which incidentally are the lot of us who just post comments.
PS: for my part (to keep my conscience clear), I had signed and emailed the lot of my friends to sign too and to keep the email (ssshh spam) going.
Truth Shall Prevail
September 23, 2008
Nahin Haris Bhai,
We are not like that. Most of us mean what we say and we will do almost anything for that freedom. RPK went a step ahead and sacrificed his freedom for us. We are waiting for the time to come for someone to lead us. We look to you who have sacrificed much for us. Tell us what to do. Hartal it is than so shall it be. We will think of the consequences later. We are lost without leadership. So in moments like these we wait along with you to give us the word. I dont about the others but as for me and my household we await your orders. That for me is the LEAST I can do. waiting patiently…..
elizabeth wong
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
I would not take it personally… You may not think it, but it pained me to put that comment down. When I commented earlier, it troubled me much becasue I had feared that my ‘feeble’ comment would be a dampener to others. But still I submitted that comment in all honesty, to see if there is a middle path we could take. I just thought, if all the mega malls in town are empty day after day, would that not make the point that we are trying to achieve. Of course, if a work day hartal is still what you think is what is needed, I would try my best to go along.
I did not want to do the easy thing, as in, I did not want to join in to say the popular thing if I do not have 200% certainty to do what is asked of me or what I plegge to do.
Not justifying my weakness, I struggle to rise to the ocassion, not for RPK’s sake, but for the sake of the cause for which he is now being imprisoned for. It pained me too, to see that there are so few petition signings, I too ponder about the discrepancy betweenn the numerous comments of adorations and support to cheer RPK on. I appreciate what rpk had done for all of us, I am sad with what he has to go through… I am a silent reader of his blog, and have not been one of those who had been very voiceferously giving him the impression that all Malaysia will ‘put their live down’ for him.
In any case, just to say that I have signed the petition as soon as I came to know of it.
Dear Elizabeth,
I sensed your pain in your earlier comment and the pain in this.
I am also grateful for your intimation that if hartal is called on a working day, you will try to go along with it.
My respect for you went up several notches after reading your comment today.
God bless.
Truth Shall Prevail
September 23, 2008
SIGNING PETITIONS IS A BREEZE. AFTER ALL ITS JUST STANDING FOR OUR RIGHTS. IN FACT LET ME TELL YOU THAT I SIGNED THE PETITION TO THE AGONG 28 TIMES…MEANING I ACQUIRED 25 ( APART FROM MY FAMILY ) OTHER IC’S OF FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO SIGN ON THEIR BEHALF. AND I HAVE SIGNED THE FREE RPK PETITION MORE THAN A HUNDRED TIMES. SO WHAT IS THERE TO JUST SIGNING. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING MORE. SO IF HARTAL IS ON TELL ME I WONT EVEN COOK (WILL COOK THE DAY BEFORE). SO I PLEDGE , LOYALTY HARIS BHAI TO YOU AND TO THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR THE TRUTH. AND TO ADD TO ALL THESE I HAVE BEEN WAKING EVERY MORNING AT 4 TO PRAY AND ASK GOD TO INTERVENE. WHAT MORE…..AWAITING ORDERS
kainpelekat
September 23, 2008
Yes Haris, this is the reality of Malaysian apathy. All wants a good life at the expense of others.
Shame on you…fellas who gave the thumbs up to RPK and not standing up when called; i say to you guys – Idiots!Morons! HYPOCRITES!!!SHAMELESS!!!
Rue the day that you failed to do your part and you will witness your next generation suffers for your carelessness and cowardice. You protect your ricebowl today to snatch away your children’s?
Seng
September 23, 2008
Hi Haris,
I am very disappointed with the response. I have signed the petition. My wife and my son have also signed. If my parents and brother are still alive, I am sure they will also sign. RPK has campaigned vigorous for Pakatan Rakyat during March 8 and August 28 elections. There are so many DAP, PKR and PAS members and supporters. I can’t understand why they can’t support this petition. If every member of DAP, PKR and PAS were to sign the petition, we would have hundreds of thousand of signatures.
Leon Rethual
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
There are a lot of people who do not ‘stand to be counted’ and thus the discouraging number of signatures. I believe that this could be due to either their fear of being identified by the authorities or simply their lackadaisical attitude. We also have to consider the pro BN group who who visit MT just to read about RPKs revelations and I doubt that this group would sign the petitions lest they be found out.
I have signed all the online petitions thus far and will continue to support all causes for justice.
You are assured of my support.
Cheers mate
Truth Shall Prevail
September 23, 2008
YB Haris
I got this from Rocky’s site and this does trouble me. I know Saudara Rocky is very pessimistic but there is some truths in his site and though I get pissed reading his articles but his one puts fear in my heart.
“Talk is rife that several more bloggers may soon be sent for short holidays, like the one that Sheih Kickdefella just came back from.”
So YB please step cautiously because we need you to lead us and to bring news to us we cant afford to lose you. Trickling news will not come from Rocky and some of the rest so just be careful.
zewt
September 23, 2008
the reason why i have not signed on the petition is not because i am afraid, it’s becos i think it’s all rather futile. can someone tell me how many petitionsssss have we signed on and which one… one…. just one that has served its purpose? the real purpose that is.
running through some of the signatories, i see some mockery there… ppl signing on as badawi, rambo and whatever not. i know some quarters are saying… we should not give up just because it has failed. perseverance they say.
if that is the case, why dont we give public transport a chance and leave our cars at home. just because it’s shite now doesnt mean it will be shite forever.
and yes, ppl are afraid to lose their jobs. some of us are already putting our jobs and our somewhat liberty on the line by having a blog and having the courage to at least say something. those who just say i will be there for you, i will walk for you, i will pray for you and only comment as anonymous are the reasons why our country is where it is now.
Selva
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris
It is very normal for people to appear to be committed to a cause but in reality their self interest is more important and when shove comes to push many fail the test.
If you really examine the underlying theme is that a vast majority of us have been fed with all might of the BN goverment and brow beaten. but wait not beaten enough that to even sign the petition is very scary. May be another 10 years of abuse and being beaten would drive the fear out of the soul and courage would be instilled, rather desperation. We are like the frog in the boiling pot , until we are boiled dead than only we are moved to take action by than too late brother, it will take another 50 years to redevelop.
However 25,000 not bad if all are committed we can make the difference. So let us keep plodding, we will get there. Even one man can make the difference and be the difference. True leadership is personal commitment to do the right thing.
Love
Selva
Shit
September 23, 2008
You hit the nail right on the head. I am shocked that despite so many readers are constanly logged on to the MT for news but only a small number signed the petition. There are too many cowards out there and wanting fellow Mlaysians to do their work and they sit back and enjoy the fruits of labor that are NOT rightly theirs.
Please….do something that you are proud to tell your kids and your DNA!!
clearwater
September 23, 2008
There never were millions of MT readers, millions of hits, yes but not readers. As each hit may not equate one individual reader[ some visit 20-30 times a day] it would be foolish to rely on such spurious statistics to gauge readership support. Besides, many visit to read RPK’s columns for entertainment, not that they support his views completely. Malaysians are generally conditioned to be apathetic unless they have an axe to grind. I would not be devastated not reaching 150k signatures, it was a tall order; 25k signatures is perhaps disappointing but that is still a fair number of enlightened souls.
Mee Mee Chew
September 23, 2008
Hi there Haris,
You hit it on the nail! Spot on.
I am one of the avid MT readers and have read each and every article posted. Some of them are absolutely brilliant.
I have signed up for the petition to release Raja Petra and I feel so sad that as to date, we have less than 25,000 signatures. Come on guys, show some guts and stop hiding for fear of the gomen’s intimidations! Remember, STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!
Fear no more, and stare at our adversary straight in its face. This is the wake-up call after 51 years. Don’t you think it is time to rise to the occasion?
RPK has given everything he has got for all of us. Isn’t it time for you all to give something back?
(By the way, I just loved ‘sjs’ postings exposing all the scandalous happenings within the gomen. Keep them flowing, MT readers will open their eyes more and more and spread the good word around. Cheers!)
KC
September 23, 2008
What the????? Perhaps Malaysians never think??? Or scare to think??? If the authorities were to take action against you (name & IC) over one single petition, they will have to put all signatories in prison, now, do you think they can put 25,000 or 100,000 in prison over the petition??? Please ……. sign it!!!!!!!!!
indomali
September 23, 2008
we Malaysian should stand up for the justice…being silent have long rooted in our mind and did not help to change.
We need to voice out now…and be brave…to move for the change…
BJBeejay
September 23, 2008
What can I say?
I signed the both your previous and your ongoing petitions without fear. I did my part. I couldn’t have done more. I cried with him though I know RPK won,t cry.
‘Coz he is never lost of words to say and write his mind aloud. Only those whose thoughts are jammed cry.
Thank you.
Ng
September 23, 2008
Encik Haris,
Thank you for coming up to temporarily take over the lead(together with a few others) while the respected RPK is ‘inconvenienced’ at the moment.
The dismal response reflects the ‘Not walking the talk’ mentality of many Malaysians – basically saying something which they don’t really mean. Especially in cyberspace, they may not even mean to be accountable for what they ‘say’ or put up. It could also be the result of the fear culture that we in Malaysia have been instilled in all these years.
Sometimes I do read the comments sent in – they are so emotional that one would wonders the sincerity of the authors or maybe it is an avenue for them to express their hope in these times of despair.
But I believe prayer and action goes together. So I pray that God’s justice come to pass and call for the immediate release of RPK. I-J-N, Amen.
Sorry I don’t normally submit comments.
Orangdunia
September 23, 2008
I made these same comments on Malaysia-Today and I was voted into negative teritory. Probably by those who felt the ‘heat’ because they haven’t signed those petitions.
This is why those in power are confident. When push comes to shove, the numbers will suddenly disappear. The only 2 times I saw the opposite was at the Bersih rally and at the Hindraf rally.
All I want to add is that if we want a brighter future for our kids and grandchildren, then we must be willing to suffer some pain now.
josephang
September 23, 2008
I tend to agree with malaysia wannabe again’s rationale. Hits do not translate into readers/supporters. Like him/her, I too visit MT many times in a day to check on updates and latest news/views. We cannot assume that all readers are supporters, malaysians, owns a computer, have an e-mail address, regulars to MT, etc… Many concern Malaysian may not even be computer literate nor web surfers. 20,000++ petitioners is by no means a negligable figure. How many of our politicians garnered so much support?
james chua
September 23, 2008
I signed, and my name is probably on the list of people to be investigated for whatever reason by the Home Ministry.
But I did not expect more from the 10million visitors because, in Malaysia, the minorities, the middle class and the poor are scared of the authorities because they never understood that if you let them monkey with you and your future, it is YOUR OWN FAULT!
Drachen
September 23, 2008
Haris,
I have thought about what I’d say to Teresa Kok if I ever meet her face to face. I say I support her but in reality I’ve done so little to assist her. What’s lighting a cantle for an hour or two?
Recently the BBC wanted to interview me regarding a certain issue in the community. I said yes but my wife got into a wild panic and I had to cancel.
I think overcoming our fears is a personal journey. RPK started the journey long ago. That’s why he is so far ahead of us.
About signing petitions, I’ve signed two recently – with my full name! I don’t think my name should appear in every petition in town or I’m going to look pretty frivolous!
I appreciate everything you are doing! 🙂
tmf
September 23, 2008
How can signing a sincere petition be so feared? Is it a crime to petition, to plead?
I have even pleaded in our DPM’s newly created blog to release all ISA detainees and give them a fair trial.
wandererAUS
September 23, 2008
I agree with you Haris, read a lot of comments, very bold and encouraging. Sadly, do everyone meant what they said. Words are cheap, “Actions speak louder than words!”
No scrifices, no gains. It is about time, we change our mindset, expecting RPK to carry the full burden alone… fighting for justice on our behalf.
Reniv
September 23, 2008
SO WE HAVE A CASE OF A WHOLE LOT OF CHEERLEADERS, COACH PRK IN JAIL (ISA),LACK OF PLAYERS.NOT ENOUGH AUDIENCE.(PETITIONERS).
RPK SURE DID BET HIS FREEDOM ON ANWAR SEPT 16TH, WELL WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET HIM ROT IN JAIL ARE WE?
i HAVE A GAMEPLAN BUT I NEED HELP & I NEED PLAYERS.
WHAT I NEED IS SOMEONE WHO CAN WRITE A COMPELLING STORY about WHO AND WHAT IS RPK & WHY HE GOT ARRESTED. (less than 1,000 words less the better)
WE ARE GOING TO EXPOSE IT TO THE INTERNATIONAL GROUP IN FACEBOOK ONLY TO THOSE WITH A MILLION MEMBERS AND ABOVE.
I BELIEVE NO FREEDOM LOVING, FAIR MINDED PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WILL NOT HESITATE TO SIGN THE PETITION.
I COULD UNDERSTAND MOST MALAYSIANS ARE LIVING UNDER THE DARK CLOUDS OF FEAR AND RPK NEED THAT KIND OF EXPOSURE TO ACHIEVE THE TARGET.
I AM SORRY PAK LAH DON’T COME BACK AND SAY THAT WE THROW YOUR ADMINISTRATION UNDER THE BUS. THANK YOU
cruzeiro
September 23, 2008
Haris,
You can say that again about many chickenshit guys who comment (not all – just a large minority) who care more for for their fears than for well being of a patriot or the nation.
On the other hand they may just be parasites/opportunists who just wish to ride on the benefits on all quarters – right or wrong.
These guys are no better than the pirates who masquerade as politicians/leaders.
I was disgusted by the pathetic response to the petition to YDPA on the judiciary.
Maybe in future, all who comment on MT or the popular blogs should be asked to register with webmaster using their NRIC- that way we’ll know the “wheat from the chaff”.
Truly a Malaysian Disease of Fear and Apathy!
http://cruzinthots.blogspot.co…pathy.html
MAHESWARAN SUBRAMANIAM
September 23, 2008
rpk sent to kamunting 2 yrs detention.well the brave and innocent suffers and the guilty enjoys all the perks in life.on the bright umnos arrogance is ANWAR’S advantage.all points to a pakatan govt.go for it.I am behind you all the way
Jessica
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
I often visit your blog although I seldom comment. Reading what you write today, I feel your frustrations and despair. I have signed the petition by the way (was confused with Tony Pua’s one initially).
I signed not because I believe that it will help (being cynical of life in Malaysia) but because I want to be counted to stand on the side of justice and a better Malaysia in a historic tipping point for the nation as well as to give encouragement to brave and idealistic souls like you and RPK.
At this time, with news of RPK being sent to Kamunting, I dedicate this poem to you and all good people out there not to give up hope:
A Psalm of Life
What the heart of the young man said to the psalmist
Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream! —
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem.
Life is real! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way;
But to act, that each to-morrow
Find us farther than to-day.
Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
Funeral marches to the grave.
In the world’s broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
Be a hero in the strife!
Trust no Future, howe’er pleasant!
Let the dead Past bury its dead!
Act, — act in the living Present!
Heart within, and God o’erhead!
Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time;
Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o’er life’s solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labor and to wait.
— Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Especially the lines of “Lives of great men all remind us” and “A forlorn and shipwrecked brother, Seeing, shall take heart again.” Continue to fight the good fight brother.
Best Regards,
Jessica
SK
September 23, 2008
Fully agree with you Haris. Many people around me are v upset with our current government, but signing of petition re judiciary? re free Teresa Kok? re free RPK ? (No ! No ! U guys do it, I have no time for this, I am not interested in politics..blah blah blah.) Hence if the Country goes down in this situation, they deserve the suffering. Unfortunately they drag down the rest who are awaken together with them.
When is Malaysians going to be more courages, mature, selfless, far-sighted & understand their future is in their hands ? The more I look at these type of people, the more I respect RPK. GOD BLESS HIM, my sincere prayers for RPK
Patricia
September 23, 2008
Haris,
I, for one, am not at all surprised at the so-few signatures on that petition.
I visit Malaysia Today faithfully – mainly to read RPK’s own columns. But the comments I read after each make me cringe: many don’t get what he is saying at all; many just rant on about something else – totally ignoring his point; many just spew vile contempt on the ruling government; many are just racist and bigots – like that lah, we Malaysians.
But I think RPK knows what he’s dealing with. He knows that he cannot trust us, for in the end we will fail him. He is a brilliant mind. He has to know that we are all just talk. When it comes to putting ourselves on the line – you will find us nowhere.
I, too, share the writer’s (above) fears. I think many of us do, but don’t have the balls to say so. That is the reality of it. I admire her courage in writing.
And it always comes to that, doesn’t it? A few will need to carry the burden of the majority.
For years, DAP and Teresa Kok has been our MP. For years, others have laughed at us and told us: vote Barisan lah, and see… you’ll have good roads, traffic lights, etc. And for years, we kept on voting her/DAP in. Why? Because we believe we need an Opposition, so that some voice of reason, some voice for the people is heard in Parliament.
So like that lah. Don’t be disheartened. This is the reality of this fight.
I think the Ancient Mariner (above) is right: it is up to Anwar now. He has to make his move. That is RPK’s best bet – cos if he’s waiting for us to save him, I shudder to think what the result will be.
May you be blessed with peace, Haris.
Pat
Bala Pillai
September 23, 2008
Haris,
Let’s do our best + some, with what we have.
I am reminded of two maxims I live by:-
1) Find the will to change that which you can, the patience to accept that which you can’t and the wisdom to know the difference
2) On odds of success: “You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours, but even at those odds, you will lose and I will win.” — Ho Chi Minh as he fought the French for Vietnamese independence
Pratamad
September 23, 2008
Haris, while I agree fully with your sentiment and my heart aches with you, especially with what happened this morning when justice is being f* once more by “detain-you-for-your-safety” minister Syed Hamid Albar, my advice is that: focus on the effectiveness and outcome. Seek the middle ground, where most support should come from and where the tipping point is.
Any idea to fight this battle must be flexible, appreciatable and acceptable to the common rakyat. One such idea from a great member in the MToday team is to launch a botak campaign, to show them the sea of bald heads. (With due recognition that it may be a tough idea for fellow women activitists.) And send message that under current economic conditions, rakyat may well all go on bald for simple financial reason. Two birds with one stone?
josephang
September 23, 2008
The news is out that RPR is sent to Kamunting for two years! What happened!
toolan
September 23, 2008
Hi Harris,
The figures of 25+++ is like you said a real disappointment. What happened to the rest of these readers?
Common people, you guys are missing the forest for the trees. All of us too need to worry about feeding our family, jobs etc etc but try and look further down the road. Do we want our kids to grow up in an environment like us(or maybe worst). What RPK and the rest are fighting for is not for now(current), it is for the future, our next generations and so on.
Think about when your childrens are in the working age, and your grand kids and so on. Don’t you want a better Malaysia for them, I do. I signed up all petitions because I know this is the least I can do too help. I am no relative of YTL, nor Uncle Lim’s family or any of the tycoons, so your worries are also my worries but we need to make a better Malaysia for our kids now.
It’s now or never…….we came a long way since 50 years ago, don’t let another 50 go by…
navinda
September 23, 2008
Hi Harris,
I just heard that RPK will be sent to Kamunting to rot for two years. I am shocked that the so called learned judge sees it necessary to detain him despite the lack of clear evidence that RPK is a threat to the nation.
My wife and I have signed and I have managed to get another dozen to sign the petition. I have also sent out about a hundred sms to friends to sign up. I was disappointed however when some called back to ask “what is it all about?’,”Where do I sign?” etc.
What with the readers of Malaysia Today not responding fully into this venture, how do we convince the non-readers. When we can’t get the numbers for the petition, how do we get enough to hartaISA?
Come on readers, wake up and participate. Unless we stand firm and in togetherness, we will be never be able to fulfill our promises to RPK and the rest. WE will never be able to realize a truly Malaysian Malaysia.
sam
September 23, 2008
We will continue the struggle to free RPK. Meanwhile, lets flood Kamunting with Hari Raya greeting cards addressed to RPK. Lets tell him to keep the hope and that we have not given up. Here is the address
Y.B. Raja Petra Kamarudin
Tempat Tahanan Perlindungan,
34009 Kamunting,
Taiping.
Perak
Malaysia
I am mailing my card today.
ycg
September 23, 2008
i’ve sign the petition and sending out for others to sign as well. as to why the petition is only at 20k+, i have nothing to say Haris…i’m dumbfolded and ashamed. Maybe Malaysians deserve this Government. Long Live Malaysian’s Tidak Apa Attitude. BRAVO, now no one will fight for us anymore!
yh
September 23, 2008
i just posted in LKS blog. Equally disappointed as you, Haris. After days of posting, only 20,000+ signed up for the petition to free RPk and other detainees. Instead of lifting their fingers to just sign up the petition, now there are going to be another forum on ISA. Whats the point of all these forums and when the response to an important petition is no more than lukewarm.
How many members are there in PR? If 50% of them signed up, the figure (no of signatories) wont be that pathetic isnt it? For goodness sake, walk the talk, PR.
Like what you said, Haris, RPK was led up the garden path and was abandoned when he needed us most.
BobSam
September 23, 2008
UMNO & BN have done a great job in keeping the RAKYAT tethered. The threat of violence & the assured possibility of a jail term under ISA keeps everyone in line. The recent usage of the ISA to place innocent persons in jail is even more troublesome. But also a good reminder to Joe Q Public, ones freedom is dependent on UMNO. UMNO is a law to themselves, and everyone else are under the Rule by Law.
The bullyboys will keep us in check.
I need to loose weight, so a stay at the Kamunting Spa is not that terrifying. But I will definitely loose my house and all my assets to the banks. That’s a burden that no father wants for his family.
But I stand willing to sacrifice for my country.
Tanah tumpah darah ku, even to the extent that all my life blood will be drained in order to ensure a better future for my country and my fellow Malaysians.
BTW, I signed the petition a long time ago.
ADELY
September 23, 2008
Greetings Harris,
Well said and points to reflect by each and every one of us… Was it sukarno who said “give 10 men and i will change indonesia” – something like that i assumed. Do we have that 10 men to undertake the task RPK taken? 50 years under fist gripping ruling, and aspecting the public to stand out clearly would be a far-cry hope, but hope is THE ONLY ONE thing we have at the moment.
Tell me what need to be done, and i will get it done as i take my God as THE LORD…
Barbara J
September 23, 2008
What a cowardice act by the Home Minister! I can imagine RPK’s furore. Now they’ll trumpet that you see we’re not racist afterall. We’ve set the Chinese free and detained our own kind.
Oh my … when will the injustices end. RPK premeditated that his freedom depends on DSAI taking over the reins. May it happen very very soon!
Malaysianatheart
September 23, 2008
Dear people,
And now RPK has been sent away for 2 years to Kamunting! And what the hell can anyone of us do about it?
Yes we have misled RPK about the distance we would go. We misled him because for a short while there we imagined that we were empowered. What we haven’t realized is that the real power remains with UMNO and UMNO lacks conscience. UMNO find the trappings of power and wealth far too tempting to allow anyone to threaten their stranglehold on it. You know what they say, that conscience is the voice of God and temptation is the voice of Satan.
Sadly, when this is all over, each and every Malaysian will want to claim that they were there in full support of the movement for a better Malaysia and each and every one of them will want to partake in the fruits of RPK’s labour and that of a host of political detainees in Kamunting – without having sacrificed so much as a meal.
But such is life – and heroes such as Gandhi – accepted that the vast majority of his people would be arm-chair supporters – but supporters nonetheless. It is the few that will eventually liberate the many – history has testified to this fact. It takes a special kinda soul to stir in the way you Haris, RPK and the Hindraf lads have. Every soul has its role to play in God’s drama we call life.
Unfortunately Haris, your expectations of ordinary folk, not in that special category, probably exceeds reasonableness. It is not the ministry of the many to forsake liberty and undergo torture etc – it is probably however RPK’s divine ministry to do so. And he will receive his just deserts for his troubles.
As for the rest of us lesser mortals – well, we are here aren’t we – telling all you special ones that we need you to do this for the rest of us. Will you please?
rider
September 23, 2008
Haiyah..!not everybody is sitting in front of the computer..lah, i signed the petition (12333) much late after clicking into LKS, i had to call many of my friends who didnt know of the petition, whether they signed or not, but dont be so negative lah, do you believe in the power of prayer?
Melgy
September 23, 2008
I have read with despair your thoughts on we the Malaysian and supporters oF RPK.
I admire those who has given their all in making a change in our society and governing powers.
As for me, I have done my part in signing the petitions, along with my husband and our parents. Nevertheless, there are many more around me who are oblivious of the politics and would not get their hands dirty because of the fear imparted by the governing parties.
We have thus educate them, telling them stocking canned food and maggie mee would not help anyth but relax and know that we are a changing community. Always telling them that the media is not potraying what is truth. You will need to read alternative media. Hence, enlightening them on Malaysia Today and the likes of it.
Haris my bro, it grieves my heart to hear that RPK is being sent to KAMUNTING. I’m sure your heart is broken as we watched him being taken away from our lives.
Nevertheless, I’m still holding strong that RPK will be set FREE…I believe he will have the support from all over to FREE HIM.
My two cents thoughts.
Hold on BRO.
Alfred
September 23, 2008
Hi Haris. I definitely feel what you are saying. I did try – the 2 petitions that I have signed, which I also forwarded to my friends to sign.
From my own experience, it took 2 emails to get one of my friends to sign – so perhaps we all should ask more than once.
Bigdawg
September 23, 2008
Dear Harris,
I am of the opinion that if you seriously wanted to gauge the level of commitment to our common causes, you could put out a form for all readers to click/fill up.
From this, you can guess how many of the readership you can rely on to sign petition, turn up for rallies, turn up to support legal defense cases, pray only from home, turn up to support petition to Agung etc.
Internet penetration according to some authorities is only 16% of population and mainly in urban areas. Of those who read, only some can actually influence others to take actual interest in political affairs.
Further, some support comes from people whose wages come directly from the BN government or BN-government
companies, statutory bodies, who fear to jeopardize their jobs.
On top of that, at probably only 25% readership is from E. Malaysia where support is limited to financial support, lip service and prayers at most.
So that 25% applies for overseas readership too.
Then again 10% to 15% of BN psycho-infitration.
While readers urge RPK and you fellas on, it might be wise to be aware of the level and depth of support behind you.
Information you gather should be kept secret from BN so as prevent it being used against our own causes.
viveg
September 23, 2008
Haris,
I can feel the supressed anger that you tried your best to hide from your writings on the post. What else can I say, I’ve been trying and trying to get many people to sign but till now, only around 40 of those I know have signed. Damn!!!! Me thinks that a lot of Malaysians are an ungrateful , selfish lot… if may say so frankly.
Take for example the Pakatan Rakyat parties, the are the ones who gained most from RPK’s exposes of scandals in BN. If only all three party’s leaders had urged their members to sign the petition, we will have hundred’s of thousand of signatures. The fact is, none of those parties leaders made an pen call for people to sign the petitions. I will not believe them if they say they’re not aware of it. Only 50 people attended the ISA vigil last Friday in front of Dewan Sri Pinang. All the faces are the commom ones that I see in civil society movements.
To read an SMS that said RPK will be sent to ISA before his habeas corpus case is even mentioned makes me sick. I called in sick today in support of Zorro’s call for hartal, and stayed home only to read the dreaded message.
I AM ANGRY!!!!!!! WHAT CAN I DO!!!!!! MANY MALAYSIANS WANT OTHERS TO FIGHT THEIR BATTLE AND WIN IT FOR THEM!!!! MAY GOD BLESS MALAYSIANS WITH MORE GUTS!!!
banjaran
September 23, 2008
I’ll try to put a different angle on the petition thing.
Yes, only 27,000 people signed. But then, Malaysia does not have a tradition on sigining petitions. I do not think only 27,000 people care about RPK. I believe it is much more than that. But the trick is how to mobilize all these people. I feel it’s a logistics problem rather than a apathy problem. Malaysians in general are not like South koreans or Thai or Filipinos who take to the street noisily to show displeasure.
We have to think what gets Malaysians off their butts. Maybe we have to look back at how the Benar campaign succeeded. It got NGOs and politicals parties involved. Sometimes, human to human contact is needed. The internet can be a catalyst and communications platform but not close the deal to getting people into action.
But I believe this time, the political parties are not willing to organize mass rallies in case it sparks riots or causes the govt to act rashly and declare an emergency like 1969.
So what’s left for us to do? We can’t do it by ourselves. We need to leverage the global opinion to put pressure on this horrid govt. One suggestion I have is this: trigger off a mass letter writing campaign that reaches important global institutions. Distribute templates of the letter and the names and addresses of relevant agencies such as PMO as well as UN organizations, powerful NGOs and media outlets. Let’s find out how the Dalai Lama, Aung Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela got so popular. We need to find prominent international journalists to write about RPK and the injustic of ISA. Maybe we should contact John Grisham who just wrote a book on injustice called the Innocent Man which became a best seller worldwide.
And viral e-mail campaigns are also effective. Send out an impactful e-mail saying why ISA should be abolished and ask them to send to 10 people if they agree. The e-mail will take on a life of its own and raise awareness.
Maybe Fahmy Reza can consider making a film? Then upload to YouTube and get the world to watch the story. Visuals can have a greater impact than words sometimes.
And maybe someone can start printing T-shirts called “Saya Anti-ISA” ? I’m sure many Malaysians won’t mind wearing a t-shirt as a sign of their displeasure. It is also a talking point and will get their friends and family curious if they see you wearing it.
Why Cares
September 23, 2008
Can we petition to the Agong to set RPK free under section 11(2)(B) and 12(1)(2) ?
Petition to PM is wasted efforts as you can see by now.
SK
September 23, 2008
Patricia, you missed the important point. The important things is what RPK fighting for, & if you agree that his fight will make our country a better place to stay, then support him, walk you talk ! Just sign the petition & get those who share the same thought to sign. How others give their comments are not important. You are distracted by the less important things.
I am always amazed by people who claimed angry, helpless, frustrated, bullied but when there’s an opportunity for them to do something, they won’t dare to take action, they back off & hide in their own little comfort zone, which will be destroyed anyhow, may be later ! M sorry to sound rude, but I am really pissed off by these type of people !
My2cen
September 23, 2008
This is the sad reality of the majority of Malaysians, they like to complain but don’t expect them to take up the course even when the right forum is set up for it. At work, they sit down to complain about the bosses, work process etc at mamak stalls, but not during assessment with the bosses. Same here, they complain in the blogs, but look at the pathetic numbers for all the petition combined! (BTW, I signed them all)
Most Malaysians are brought up in fear of the govt, so don’t blame them. Blame the system.
They are like cheerleaders, looking pretty cheering from the side, but only a few will be fighting in the field. If one decides to go to the field, one has to be really strong because these same cheerleaders will also move on to cheer the other team if one is losing. We have to accept the reality of things in Malaysia. We need to know why we’re doing what we do, fight for the right course and march on, with or without these cheerleaders. Manage our expectations, then we won’t feel let down.
Helen Ang
September 23, 2008
Dear all,
The petition drafted by Dr Lim Teck Ghee to free Raja Petra stands at 21,221 now at time of writing.
I know that sometimes we think — What’s the point to all these online signature campaigns?
Short of storming the Bastille, this participation is the very least we can do.
About three weeks ago, I interviewed activist Wong Chin Huat for Dr Lim’s website and asked Chin Huat the question: What can we do for RPK? At that time, he hadn’t been arrested yet and my thoughts were more about the ISPs blocking M’sia Today.
Sorry to say, I haven’t written up on the Chin Huat interview yet, vide how we as civil society can be more ‘active’ in pushing reform. Other put-food-on-the-table work had to be prioritized, and this & that; it’s possibly the same scenario with you …
But today, reading that RPK has been sent to Kamunting turns my thoughts to the issue again. The two-year detention order on him should make our concerns more immediate and concretize action plans.
For starters, let’s just stand up and be counted. The 25,700-signature judiciary petition was unprecedented.
Go for 50,000 and the numbers will mean something. Link here
http://english.cpiasia.net/index.php?view=article&catid=118%3Acpi-press-releases&id=1149%3Aappeal-to-free-rpk-tk-and-others&option=com_content&Itemid=162
Patricia
September 23, 2008
Dear SK,
I did sign, I’m number 2613. Go check out my name, as I sign below SK oh, brave one.
Did you?
Patricia John-Goh
lilian
September 23, 2008
I woke up this morning with HOPE in my heart after reading your articles yesterday about “Putrajaya within reach” and “RRPK’s habeas corpus application had been forward”. Instead, I’m in a state of shock..I wanted to scream but no words would come out, I wanted to cry but no tears would flow and despair seep into my heart. “IS THAT IT?”.
I checked the petition this Tuesday morning : 21K+ only. Someone mentioned in another blog : “Should Should I pop the question at Tuesday’s “Abolish ISA” forum on how many PKR, DAP and PAS members have signed up? Surely, they must have several thousands….” I beg you “PLEASE DO!!”
Thank you.
SK
September 23, 2008
Dear Patricia
TQVM for signing, me too signed earlier. I don’t mean you but refering to those who complained a lot, but refuse to act with all kinds of excuses !
Let us prayer sincerely for RPK & Malaysia !
Mag M
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris
I know you are angry and so am I especially with the petition thing. Don’t give up for a better Malaysia. I tell you honestly, I am afraid too but I did sign the petitions (2 petitions) and made my family signed up too. I am also very angry that our Government has chosen the ISA way to silence bloggers or anyone who speaks the truth, especially against them.
The problem is especially with those people who shout out profanities and so called seditious remarks in their comments are probably now hiding. In their anonimity, they are brave but become cowards once their identities are revealed. To those people, are you happy now now that RPK is in ISA? Why don’t you come out now to support RPK?
Now that RPK is in ISA, may we know if we are allowed to visit or do anything for him in Kamunting. If yes, how, coz I am sure many of us do not know how to go about it.
Please continue to help our country and all the bloggers but be careful with your words as we do not want you or anyone to go to jail or ISA. God bless you.
mummy46
September 23, 2008
I am sorry to say some of my friends and relatives are COWARDS!!!! I have signed, but even with me forwarding the site to them I have not seen then signing it. COWARDS!! COWARDS!! COWARDS!!
Bigdawg
September 23, 2008
I think the BN goons are just testing the water by jailing RPK without basis.
BN is now quite sure there won’t be even the meekiest protest if and when they jail DSAI without legal basis.
Dear Harris, we need a contingency plan of some sort for that eventuality.
As far as I am a supporter, I would answer the call to hit the streets; but then again knowing that BN goons are really filthy rats, I know I shall feel a lot of pain and blood when their batons hit my head.
What shall we do ?
Free Malaysia
September 23, 2008
25,000 +++ signatures is very poor. Shame on those who is not even willing to lift a finger.
Sunz
September 23, 2008
Dear Sir.
I decided to leave a response after reading through comments left by some of the others. I’m no regular commentator, though since finding your site i’ve become a daily visitor.
People are worried that the petition numbers aren’t rising- but perhaps some of them are going the wrong way in advestising the need to sign the petition? From name calling to accusations of ‘lying’ to RPK until we’ve reached childish declarations of petition-signing and demands that comentators state whether they have signed or not. Guilt-tripping the more recalitrant readers… how does that show justice and morality? Why do people have the ‘holier than thou cause I signed and you didn’t’ attitude?
Is this really how a petition is supposed to work?
A lot of people come to MT everyday and some (like me) more than once a day. The number ‘millions’ registers hits, not people. One would have to adjust in the silent readers (again, like me) from the actual commentators (whom you know are really there) and those who visit the site more than once. Then perhaps a more accurate objective of numbers could be applied.
I do agree though, that there are many people who aren’t signing the petition: why?
Many people mistakenly believe that signing the petition puts them under the government’s microscope- labelled ‘dissendants’. And they’ll take a ‘Go Directly To Jail’ card.
Many more simply believe that there is no way that a government this corrupt, this inhumane, will stop their actions because of a mere petition. It’ll require Pakatan Rakyat taking over- and they’ve already done their duty by giving PR 5 states and a Lot of power.
A great number of people simply think that the current PM would not even glance at the petition as he fights his own political battles.
Some even feel that this is just a way for people to put their names up and get their 15 seconds of fame…
These people have to be reasoned with, not mocked, cowed and belittled. These people are not cowards, they know that they have a responsibility to their families and lives; getting into jail will destroy them. And the negative attitudes about the power a petition has over the PM also dogs them. Why sign a petition when it may put you in jail and you don’t even merit a look from the PM?
21495 is the number of signatories as of this comment.
The number on the petition isn’t big, and on actually going through the signaturies, you can see jokers who put in ridiculous names, and people who sign but are too afraid to place their full name.
But the spirit is still there.
There are many good people who have signed the petition in sincerity, knowing that this is important, that the numbers Matter. It has to represent a Rakyat hell-bent on getting their expose-artist back. That it shows the mentality of Malaysians have changed for the better, and with us, the Government has no choice but to either the ISA detainees and end the Act or else it’ll be ‘Exit, stage left’.
People need to know that signing won’t put them under a burning spotlight- no one will harm thier families and their lives. Peopple must understand that signing has an effect- the total number of signatures makes a Huge difference to one who sees. People need to be convinced that putting their name on this petition isn’t just a gloryhound exercise.
Instead of all the catfights on blogs and MT comments, wouldn’t it be wiser to educate people on this?
Also… perhaps the advertising of this petition shouldn’t be just limited to blogs and word of mouth-Are copies of this petition going to be sent to NGOs? What about all the embassies? How about the international press? If not the petition, at least the number of signatures?
Someone commented that this petition should be forwarded to all of the Opposition party members to sign – that’s a good idea too.
Last of all, about misrepresenting ourselves to RPK. He started his site alone, then had people backing him up. He exposed scandals of corruption and more, then people wanted him to expose more scandals. Now, he sits alone in ISA. Where are the people?
Some are like you, Mr. Ibrahim, furiously working out strategies to free him. Some are like me, logging on in hopes of good news and praying hard. At the rate things are going, you might join him, and then I’d be the one on the streets, protesting. And either we all sink, or RPK is set free. Either way the coin falls.
I believe he already knows that he has to forge the path in this forest, others will trail behind him, jumpiing at the shadows. He knows this, which is why he goes to jail. Not because of any supporter, but because he wants to get out of this forest, and bring his wife and kids with him.
He has no one in jail, but he has his principles and his honour. They can starve him and abuse him, but they cannot take this from him. If he dies, he becomes a legend, any many more will be flared by his story to become expose-experts. If he lives and is set free, he will be welcomed in person by his family and fellow compatriots, and in spirit by supporters glued to the internet. Either way, he wins- and he knows this.
And people like you who try to keep the truth out so the people can see, you don’t do it for honour or glory. Supporters make one feel good and encouraged, but at the end of the day, you know that you are living your life based on truth and principles. Is that not the way it is supposed to be?
So why would RPK get the wrong idea? The limelight is fun, and the supporters crying out his heroism give a heady high- but he didn’t go to jail for us. He went to jail for his beliefs and rights. Our support is given freely, based on the fact that we believe in the same beliefs and principles as he, that we want to bring our loved ones out of the forest too. Be it a mere 1000 or a million, if RPK sees the petition he wouldn’t look at the number. He would just smile, as he isn’t alone in the forest anymore. And so would the other 63 ISA detainees.
drsaravananr
September 23, 2008
Haris,
there, might be other reasons for the poor response on the petition. Read this http://sloone.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/i-am-not-signing-that-supposedly-anti-isa-online-petition/
Looks like some fine tuning needed there huh.
Haris, lots of people say lots of encouraging things in anonimity on the net, not only on Malaysia Today, but even on People’s Parliament as well. We need to gauge carefully before jumping the gun.
Sorry guys, i did not mean to offend any of you genuine guys. This word of precaution is meant for those of you who are not genuine. Anyone and everyone can say anything they want on the internet.They can say they’re going to walk the mile with you and blah blah blah. But comparing notes with RPK’s regrettable experience, how many of these commentators are actually going stay home, not go to work, not go out, not send their children to school/tuition for as long as it takes? How many part timers and daily wage earners are going to actually put their jobs and their rice bowl on the line for this Hartal? How many parents are going to sacrifice their children’s education in the name of hartal? Not everyone’s as transparent as Elizabeh Wong. I admire her courage to come clean with her intetntions.
Please don’t take me wrong Haris. I don’t mean to be pessimistic, nor do i intend dampen anyone’s spirit here. I just want whoever who reads this comment to know that it’s not just about encouraging and empowering words, but it’s about one’s willingness to sacrifice for the betterment of all. No one’s gonna be out there doing a head count of how many of you guys actually did hartal or how many of you who said you would hartal but actually didn’t. The choice is yours. Let’s save RPK, the HINDRAF 5 and all the unfortunate detainees in Kamunting. Let’s save Malaysia. Let’s Hartal ISA! When there’s a will, there’s always a way.
cheers
Sadstate
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
I can understand your despair when writing this post.How are we the common people to go further beyond a certain line.We are just prdinary working people in this country and earning an honest living daily.We are also unhappy with alot of things and going-ons in this country and all we common folks can do is to give that one vote to our chosen politicalparty on general election day( which is not often,maybe some 4 or 5 years later).We can only go round to canvass to our families and friends and anybody about the unfairness and dishonesty of the present ruling power but they are now holding the power and they are misusing it all round…I have this hapless feeling all my life here until March 2008….it made me realised that it is possible afterall and we need people brave and capable YMs to help us attain that goel…..tell me how can we go beyong giving our votes sensibly to the right party.Even DSAI (a well known figure in Malaysia)does not have it easy going.The present power will try to thwart any plans or intentions of his party and coalition leaders in every way they can.We the ordinary citizens watch in disbelief,disgust and sadness.We thank people like Anwar,RPK and many more brave and resilient opposition members to speak out for us ordinary rakyat.We can only give them out votes and support their plans….I have voted here for every petition online in support of RPK and I have also donated to the PP by elections and I have prayed everyday in my prayers for all these brave PKR leaders.What more can I do when the present power blatantly chose to misuse the power they got.Everytime,something good is heading the opposition’s way,we get threat of another May 13 etc etc.Ordinary rakyats and local traders need to survive too and when an emergency is declared,the ordinary families suffers the most….not the rich and corrupted as they have plenty to spare here and abroad.I know this is realy really unfair cos people like me icluded…I have to take care of a family,mouths to feed as I dun get anything discounted or subsidised….even the house I live in is fully paid with every hard earn cash with no specia discounts and at the end of the day,with escalating cost and high inflation,how else can we ordinary citizen help beyond a certain margin.Any plans by you great guys out there,we ,the rakyat ordinary will do our best to help within our possible abilities.Do you think we dont care and notfeel sad for RPK,The Tan reporter from Sin Chew and my most admired hero RPK,noy forgetting Kickdefella and the Hindraf ISA detainees.My heart bled for them and their loved ones.I feel so helpless.I know Haris,you feel that way too but we can only depend on people like you,RPK,Teresa,DSAI and his whole PR gang like LKS ,Karpal,LGE,Zaid, Nik Aziz …and so on to help put a louder voice for us and help us to set up a more just and fair govt.Remember Haris, we are only ordinary rakyats who can ony support in a very limited way…
shar101
September 23, 2008
Lilian,
That remark at Zorro’s was from me lah. We just need to re-organise our strategies and get moving.
RPK would have wanted us to do so.
faraway gal
September 23, 2008
Dear Harris,
It is indeed sad to see the cowards among Malaysians, not willing to put merely their names on the petitions.
As noted earlier, some of the signees are in fact reluctant as they are only brave enough to put their initials or nicknames..
What else can we ask for, fellow Malaysians?
If you want a brave hero to continue fighting the course, you should show your support by fighting for his freedom…
Merely putting your names without IC no will not reveal your true identity… Come on la… there are so many Ali, Ah Chong and Mutusamy in Malaysia….
For goodness sake, come to your senses, please do not allow an old man separated from his beloved wife and children during the holy festive season…
Selamat Hari Raya to all my Muslim friends~~!!
Angela Ooi
September 23, 2008
I immediately signed all Petitions forwarded to me and also forward them to those in my mailing list. I tell everyone I meet about RPK and what he has done for us.
I had planned to be in court on Fri but his suit was brought forward. Marina may not know how bad I felt ..telling her I could not be in KL today. Now our Beloved RPK is in Kamunting, I have been crying for Marina and her family. They will not be celebrating their daddy/hubby’s birthday this week on the 27th. They will not be able to celebrate Hari Raya together too. Though prayers are good and encouraged, we also need physical action. Please count me in – I STAND FOR RAJA PETRA. I am going out now to get my cards for him!
southall
September 23, 2008
Harris,
It takes courage and knowing what to say to comment on blogs, those who do comment have balls and conviction and do mean what they say and they probably are the first ones to sign any on-line petitions, now if you see the comments, ok, there are one hundred plus, some may generate several hundreds, so say there are a few thousand who have conviction and dare comment and sign petitions, the rest just like the general population are just visitors, like to hitch a ride and are the silent majority.
You may be wrong in your assement, it is the SILENT MAJORITY that let’s us down, they shud awaken and be counted.
I was a shop steward often pulling my hair and wondering why did I ever bother. No pain no gain. ith me it was a select few who would put themselves out to take the pain but when it was time to gain, all received the gain. Life is like that.
southall
September 23, 2008
Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains.
Jean Jacques Rousseau, The Social Contract
French political philosopher (1712 – 1778)
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Abuses of ISA
The ISA has been consistently used against people who criticise the government and defend human rights. Known as the “white terror”, it has been the most feared and despised, yet convenient tool for the state to suppress opposition and open debate. The Act is seen by some as an instrument maintained by the ruling government to control public life and civil society.
We Malaysians are not free but are in chains so long as this ACT remains for it violates open debate and human rights.
Violations of the contract
The social contract and the civil rights it gives us are neither “natural” nor permanently fixed. Rather, the contract itself is the means towards an end — the benefit of all — and (according to some philosophers such as Locke or Rousseau), is only legitimate to the extent that it meets the general interest. Therefore, when failings are found in the contract, we renegotiate to change the terms, using methods such as elections and legislature. Locke theorized the right of rebellion in case of the contract leading to tyranny.
Since rights come from agreeing to the contract, those who simply choose not to fulfill their contractual obligations, such as by committing crimes, deserve losing their rights, and the rest of society can be expected to protect itself against the actions of such outlaws. To be a member of society is to accept responsibility for following its rules, along with the threat of punishment for violating them. It is justified with laws punishing behavior that breaks the Social Contract because we are concerned about others harming us and don’t plan on harming others. In this way, society works by “mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon” (Hardin 1968).
Saidah
September 23, 2008
Dear Haris,
Thank you for the push.
I notice the petition includes nonsense names eg “Barack Obama” and “ati”. Will the organisers of the petition get rid of these nonsense names before presenting the petition? Otherwise these nonsense names trivialise the petition, and the names of those of us who signed properly.
Sam Sambal
September 23, 2008
Haris,
This is a wonderfully crafted piece of prose. The phrasing, the suppositions. If this doesn’t touch a chord, I don’t know what will.
EG Chan
September 23, 2008
Get the bosses of companies to declare HARTAL. Maybe many will do it. I live overseas. How can I help?
Chris
September 23, 2008
so when do we do the Hartal thing? lets do something for RPK. I am in. Thanks
Johnny
September 24, 2008
Dear Haris,
Please do not feel down bcos of the figure. I have talked to some of my friends whom i know are strong supporters of Pakatan but still have the ‘No point lah attitude’ and thus the low figure. They helped to put up banners, arranged audio system, manning the booth and etc during the election and acknowledge RPK’s contributions but ?????……time will change them.
nspirasi
September 24, 2008
this is what we have become…a nation of talk-gooders!!!
‘stand up and be counted? u must be joking!!!
u think im stupid?’
we are all waiting for someone else to stand up first and if there is then trouble…it gives us a chance to duck quickly…out of harms way…
we now have real flesh and blood standing up to be counted….RPK…HINDRAF5…and all the others wrongly detained under ISA…
and what do we do?
yup u r right..we talk
im done talking!!!!
asamkelat
September 24, 2008
Praying that God will give him strength not to break when in detention. That the authorities will realise that there has to be change.That peace will prevail in the change.
tommycol
September 24, 2008
i feel so sad that the petition just got such a small figure considering the number of hits that MT has. very pathetic and it just shows how selfish most of us are; the want the truth and all the juicy breaking facts from RPK and keep asking more ever since . but when RPK is in deep shit most are just too COWARD and there are even those who are asking others not to sign just because of some lame excuses. you guys makes me SICK
Tomcat
September 24, 2008
The low petition signatures is not that people don’t care or dare not put their names down but many people including me think that it is totally pointless.
A petition will not free RPK even if it gets 100,000 signatures. You are casting pearls before swines and hoping they will appreciate the pearls.
We are not living in a real democracy where petitions can be effective. This is the wrong way to campaign for RPK.
Taxy Driver
September 24, 2008
Take it from a selfish, once overly optimistic voter like me. If those petitions went up before September 16th let off air without a bang, many more would have signed it. One should look at the polls prior to the elections, if there was ever a reliable one, to see what the people actually rooted for in their next government. It wasn’t predominantly the ending of a draconian law… though however evil and abuseable it is, still is a law that we, the ordinary man on the street, could steer clear from.
The people’s vote, if one could read into our nation’s polls before March 8, is the same as it is now, after March 8. It’s things that impact our wallets directly. Plain and simple.
I know I’m sounding very materialistic and unsupportive of the principles of free speech, the ending of corruptions and what not, but my point is, most Malaysian vote based on WHAT’S IN IT FOR THEM! Sure, ending corruption is a noble goal, and if not for the moral good of that, should make sound sense from an economic perspective. But does it DIRECTLY impact my daily life?
A learned friend of mine stated once, “Corruption does not stop development of a nation. It merely makes it less efficient.” So, with all honesty, do we as individuals truly care about that draconian law? Or a prolific, popular anti-government writer named Pete? Do we care for the abstract corruption stories in the news for which we sort of know our tax ringgits are fueling? Are we seriously that macro-minded in the first place? I think not… well, not in real life. In a blog or anonymously, we can scream all we want. But the fact that we’re silent in real life speaks volumes of our true nature.
And that is why most of us won’t go down in history. RPK will, but not us.
Lim Chi Sang
September 24, 2008
Apa yang boleh kami harapkan ialah pertukaran kerajaan. UMNO terlalu tak bertamadun, tamak, takut, kotor dan sebagainya. Kita mesti mempengaruhi semua orang untuk memahami apa itu “Kepedulian” terhadap politik kerana kami masih di Malaysia dan anak dan cucu kami akan terus berada disini. Kalau kami gagal memperbaikinya sekarang diharap dapat menolong generasi akan datang supaya dapat menikmati keadaan yang lebih selesa, telus dan sebagainya.
nspirasi
September 24, 2008
until and unless Malaysians stop being totally selfish with..
WHATS IN IT FOR ME?
and have a shared attitude of:
WHATS IN IT FOR US?
there will never be peace and harmony in our land…
this is so not without reason…for too long we have been fighting for our own corners…IN our own corners…cos that was the way its always been…
racial/wealth discrimination…no meritocracy…nepotism
this kia su and kia see attitudes will see the end of us…
look at the way we live..the absurd ways we drive..everyman for himself…
i bet there r those now thinking…’RPK is a malay…im sure they will let him go…after all…blood is thicker than water!!!!’
as for the HINDRAF5…’those Indians…talk so much…they deserve it’
and so on…
we r too myopic to see through to the CAUSE these martyrs are fighting for…we can only see the colour of their skin!!!!
brothers & sisters in my beloved land…
open your eyes…under our different shades of skin…courses blood of the same colour RED…
lets unite as human beings…we have a common enemy…the evil and corrupt…
target them not by their sect or religion but by their evil deeds…
that way WE can build a new nation…that WE can be proud of..for OUR children…
is that too tall an order my brethren?
Peterjay85
September 24, 2008
Disgust, anger, cheated and helpless were some of the immediate feelings that overwhelmed me upon hearing of RPK’s fate. After all, I DID expect those bunch of LOSERS to pull a stunt like this (as did most of you I’m sure), so those feelings really shouldn’t have taken shape at all.
Next, it was your thoughts exactly that pounded through my mind….Hey, he has sacrificed his family and comforts for US.
Have we let this man down? The answer is NO, not quite……at least not the ones who have managed to do that little something in support of his cause.
Then I thought lets take a look at the implied support being garnered via the most recent petition and cringed to see that the figure has yet to touch 26,000.
I asked myself why the number of signatures appear to have lost momentum AFTER he was sent to Kamunting?? As it stood, the total number of signatures obtained are painfully lacking, to say the least!!! Have we conceded defeat? C’mon, let’s mass mail it again if necessary…..a petition is simply that and is useless without solid numbers. Stop talking and start signing NOW!! Do whatever little possible and stop simply feeling sorry for RPK! He has a good team to carry on the fight and I only wish I were brave enough to be a part of it.
[Signature#665]
queenie
September 24, 2008
haris, thank u for yr candour, and my sentiments precisely. those of us who rant, rave and rankle from behind the comfort of a job, gym, home have only succeeded in whittling down our brave vituperatives when it came to the crunch.shame shame, and yet how many have yet to sign the petition?
Peterjay85
September 24, 2008
A note to Tomcat:
It is not about a petition being pointless or not. I agree with you that the numbers may not ‘free’ RPK, but it is about MAKING A STATEMENT! Yes, “casting pearls before swines” as you put it so aptly….it is not for swines to appreciate but simply TAKE NOTICE. Swines will never appreciate anything, BUT if the numbers (or significant quantity of pearls) are thrown, they will most certainly TAKE NOTICE! Right now the swines are laughing…………
Petitions do not necessarily work in a ‘real democracy’ either…it is simply to HIGHLIGHT and prove a cause has a strong following and the only way to be noticed is by a simple show of Numbers for even swines can see the difference, though they may not appreciate nor understand it!
I hope you will help us get NOTICED!
bow
September 25, 2008
Martin Luther King spirit is not with majority of Malaysians, many are satisfied with present regime.
Zahar
September 25, 2008
The “best” part of all, anwar doesn’t even acknowledge his protege who’s been writing and writing like a madman on his behalf, issuing SDs like there was no tomorrow, all for him, being sent up. He’s keeping quiet about it all.
Good on yer, man!
Donovan Siew
September 26, 2008
May I suggest as an act of solidarity for the heroic RPK and all those unfortunate ISA detainees that we practise what Mahatma Gandhi did – which is to organize a nation wide strike by halting work on a day agreed by all. If everyone esp. those in essential services were to do that, the government will be brought to her knees and will have to listen carefully to the will of the people. Just take a look at our neighbour Thailand – 2 major airports were shut down by the sheer force of the political will of the people. We can do the same. Are we willing to walk the talk?
kate
September 26, 2008
why majority of malaysians are not dare to saying something..and i feel they not concern…why