Caveat emptor : This post contains one joke of and concerning one living person and yet another, now deceased.
Hyper-sensitive readers are forewarned that they may find the joke in poor taste, if not downright rude.
As the author shall not be entertaining any requests or demands for apologies or retractions of this post, readers are advised to not go beyond this point if they fear that they may be left disturbed should they continue.
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Let me deal with the ostrich-stancers first.
Ostriches are famed for burying their head in the sand. Actually, they don’t bury their heads in the sand but are nosing around for food.
But they look like they’ve buried their heads in sand.
Ostrich-stancers are people who emulate the ostrich.
They, however, are not looking for food.
An ostrich-stancer buries his or her head in the sand as he or she does not want to face the truth.
An emotional ostrich-stancer is someone who allows his or her emotions to blind them from the truth.
Eight commentators took exception to the ‘I no speaking Inglis’ post.
Mostly, the rebuke was that I should not speak ill of the dead, and that I should not poke fun at the late GB’s poor command of the English language.
I am grateful that the greater majority of readers could see the point I was trying to make and that the very title of the post itself was directed at one who had feigned a poor grasp of the English language.
If you will view the post again, you will note that I merely narrated one of the many jokes that had made its rounds some time back. I did not conjure the same.
Some of those who took exception reprimanded me for denigrating one who, so they say, had given much to the country.
Adam, in response to these, said in his comment:
Can you look back in history and tell us what happened to a few hundred acres of govt land in Sg Buloh, first turned into a golf club then given to Hong Leong? You will then realise how great the man was…
To this, I will merely add the matter of MARA funds being utilised to purchase some 400 memberships of that certain golf club at inflated prices, and the matter of non-performing loans to the tune of some RM300 million owed to a certain local bank.
I guess we have different viewpoints about his contribution to our nation. You are entitled to yours, whilst Adam and I are entitled to ours.
I’m just wondering whether in forming your views, you are being emotional ostrich-stancers.
If so, you are entitled to. Just don’t expect all and sundry to follow suit.
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Muhammad sent in several comments. I’m going to reproduce just one.
…haris why are you so quiet? you are enjoying the quarrel? or you just don’t care. you are not man enough to say you admit your mistake and sorry for it. You uphold your ego for your ego is much more important than all the great contributions ghafar baba gave to our nation.
or should i put it this way, anything related to UMNO is useless, and UMNO never contribute to this country then only will u be happy??
you only want to hear/see what you want to see. that’s why when I commented against you and ask you to retract this post, you are dead silence. If you don’t have the gut to say i’m sorry, don’t go around demonstrating or showing your machoness among hindraf group etc.. since you can’t even bow down and admit your mistake..
no person in this world is perfect, the different is some acknowledge it, some doesn’t..
Enjoying the quarrel?
Didn’t know there was one!
I have no difficulty apologising if I think it is warranted. Enough apologies proffered in this blog are testimony to this.
In this instance, I do not see that one is called for.
What I’m going to do, though, is to narrate another joke that made its rounds some time back, and then address the matter of the Peter Principle and its relevance to the men in high office in our government.
This old joke is about one dead, a fellow called Marcos, and another who’s still around, Dr M.
Shortly after Dr M became PM, he made a study trip to the Philippines to consult Marcos on how he (Marcos) had enriched himself off his nation’s wealth.
Flattered, Marcos took Dr M to the top most floor of his office building, went to the window, pointed out to all the skyscrapers out there and said, ‘See those buildings. Government buildings built on grossly inflated costs. The surplus cost is mine. Privately owned buildings only approved after I’m taken care of’.
Dr M thanked Marcos for the lesson.
Years later, Dr M extended an invitation to Marcos to visit Malaysia to see for himself how well Dr M had learnt from that one visit to the Philippines.
Dr M took Marcos to the top most floor of his office building, went to the window, pointed out and said, ‘See those buildings. Government buildings built on grossly inflated costs’.
‘But there are no buildings out there’, a bewildered Marcos replied.
‘I know. The entire building cost is mine’, a smiling Dr M replied.
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Dr M has been the subject of many other jokes, too.
In fact, most people in public, political office are not spared.
There are no sacred cows in politics.
What Muhammad and the others who have taken offence must ponder on is this.
Jokes about Dr M never hinged on his not being clever, or not having the requisite acumen to hold the office of PM.
Why?
Cos Dr M is indeed very clever and did have the requisites for that office.
In fact, most jokes about Dr M turned on how he misapplied his cleverness whilst in office for his own ends.
Jokes about GB, on the other hand, usually poked fun at his perceived inadequacies for the high office he held.
Why?
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The Peter Principle postulates that ‘in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their “level of incompetence”), and there they remain’.
When Hussein Onn took over the PMship after the death of Tun Razak, he was left with the task of choosing his deputy.
Of the three vice-presidents then, the one who was the most senior in age and who had garnered the most votes was Ghafar. Tengku Razaleigh was next, again both in terms of age and votes garnered. Last on both counts was Dr M.
All things being equal, the UMNO tradition for the ascension to high office would have dictated that Hussein appoint Ghafar as his deputy.
Instead, Hussein appointed Dr M.
We are left to speculate on the reasons why Ghafar was bypassed.
Could it be that Hussein, realising that his deputy would very likely one day ascend to the office of PM, thought Ghafar did not have the requisites for such high office?
Ghafar, it is reported, resigned from the cabinet in protest.
In 1981, Hussein resigned and Dr M took over the PMship. In that same year, following the UMNO elections, Musa Hitam was voted as deputy president of UMNO and duly appointed deputy PM.
In 1986, Musa resigned from the deputy PMship, citing irreconciliable differences with Dr M and, at the UMNO elections in the following year, teamed up with Razaleigh to take on Dr M for the leadership of UMNO.
Who did Dr M pick as his running mate?
The one bypassed by Hussein.
Dr M endorsed Ghafar to run for the position of deputy president of UMNO, and with that, put him in line for the office of deputy PM.
Ghafar went on to win and became deputy PM.
Why did Dr M pick Ghafar?
Did Dr M think Ghafar had the requisite credentials to be the next PM?
Again, we are left to speculate.
Remember that Dr M had just been abandoned by an equally intelligent deputy, Musa, who was now conspiring to unseat him.
Ghafar had strong grassroots support. Having Ghafar aligned to Dr M would have served the latter well.
I suspect, though, that as important, if not more, than Ghafar’s grassroot support, was Dr M’s perception that Ghafar would be so grateful for Dr M’s undoing of the injustice inflicted on Ghafar by Hussein bypassing him in 1981 that Ghafar would never contemplate ever challenging Dr M for the presidency of UMNO.
I also suspect that Dr M, after Musa, had had enough of clever deputies and that, in this regard, Ghafar fitted the bill.
If I am correct, Dr M paved the way for Ghafar’s ascension to the office of deputy PM, for all the wrong reasons.
Six years later, like it or not, Dr M found himself lumbered with another clever deputy.
Anwar managed to unseat Ghafar!
Five years later, after ousting Anwar, who did Dr M anoint?
Pak Lah!
Why?
Except for the reasons of strong grassroots support, I suspect for the same reasons that he earlier picked Ghafar.
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From the time Dr M helmed UMNO, ascendancy to high office both in the party and government has not been about the best person with the best credentials and a proven track record in governmental management getting the top job.
Ascendancy became a means of ‘pay back’, not for excellent service in the public sector, but for excellent servitude to the political supremo.
Never mind that the newly promoted is completely inept for the task at hand.
UMNO divisions that now wield tremendous power in deciding the fate of party hopefuls, themselves give little thought to the needs of the nation as a whole and the best man for that top job, but rather focus on what might be in it for them if the ascension of their local leader to the first, second and third tiers of power in the party should come to pass.
Divisions that will in the coming days nominate Najib, Tyson Rustam etc will not take on board current issues and controversies that hang over the heads of these men.
They will be ostrich-stancing in the days to come.
Is it any wonder, then, that this nation is in the cesspool that it is?
lmyk
October 11, 2008
Excellent. That is the big(2) leadership problem within UMNO. Leaders ascend to the top via the patronage system wtithout due consideration of their qualities. Singapore(PAP) handpicks its potential leaders. Is it at all surprising that the little dot to our south manages to produce leaders of calibre whereas we have people like Pak Lah.
yh
October 11, 2008
looks like RAHMAN prophesy will be fulfilled. God help us when that man takes office. And worse, with the tyrant pulling strings behind the scene. The NIGHTMARE has begun.
For Haris and the likes who dared to stand up against their excesses, BEWARE is the word.
penang71
October 11, 2008
I wonder why people call it the RAHMAN ‘prophesy’.
To me, it is more like the RAHMAN ‘curse’.
Pak Sako
October 11, 2008
A terse and brilliant analytical piece.
A clear scrutiny and delineation of the mechanism and rationale of Dr. Mahathir’s selection of deputy prime ministers during his tenure. And well-couched within the parameters of the Peter Principle, too.
Notable is also your witty use of rhetoric: not for “excellent service”, but for “excellent servitude”.
This article deserves greater notice. I hope Malaysiakini, for example, picks it up on its page.
today
October 11, 2008
Well said Harris.Now you know why I really enjoy reading your articles.My only disappointment is that there will be always….” those eight commentators” whose English will not be good enough to read beyond those lines and end up making wild accusations about you.Keep up the spirit and keep these great articles coming ..have a restful weekend…
ilham.editorial
October 11, 2008
I sorry my english no good enuf to understand the sofistikated jokers here
Haris is of course right in stating that ostrich stancers do not want to face the truth but I guess since he is the keeper of truth then all other views pale into falseness
I shall leave you to it, unless I don’t want to
ajip
October 11, 2008
sorry, off topic
poor Ku Li
how come dia kena tipu dengan mahathir even though dia bijak?
selamanya la Ku Li jadi kuli
su
October 11, 2008
This post and the one before (or rather, some of the comments), remind me of this saying: “A little humour never hurt anyone”.
Does it not apply anymore?
shar101
October 11, 2008
Err.. Haris,
Now that you’ve placed a prominent caveat specially for your ‘off-color’ joke postings and will not apologise for nor retract said posting(s) even if certain readers are offended, are you going to solemnly swear on the Holy Koran that you will fulfill and honor the undertaking?
Trust me, bro. Swearing ain’t no joke unless it’s done by anointed umnoputras and we know how that went!
Imagine in the near future when a PM designate will swear that his deed done in PP was not valid because it was uttered under extreme duress on a non-Hardhari compliant holy book, and he wasn’t wearing his glasses to verify its authenticity.
Speaking of which – that pic up there of the bloke looks like him, doesn’t it? XXXXL?
OK lah.. its a slow weekend, folks.
See yer in PJ tomorrow, bro. Me driver’s going too.
sing lau
October 11, 2008
Sir Haris,
Thanks. You have performed an excellent task of exposing those smart cocks that they are ONLY ostriches.
So called ‘sensitive’ people are incapable of handling some clean satire!
mei1
October 11, 2008
Thanks for a great posting. Yes, that’s the appropriate term to describe those who are always in the state of denial, and also the reason why we’d have all sort of names for this country, from the official name of Malaysia to Bolehland then to Bodohland & the latest bodohwood…
Meng
October 11, 2008
The trend..Malaysian PM cannot have a bright and clever deputy PM. If Najib takes over he will make sure his deputy falls into this caregory?? He is already dumb..deputy even more dumb..curse of Rahman
blogreader
October 11, 2008
Mahathir very the good man who many develop this country! Many people lover him and i also but also many things he can make difference but no make! many change he make that benefit the country but also many changes he make that hurt this country.
therefore, i think mahathir is no good enough. clever but no good enuff.
bnharamjadah
October 11, 2008
How do you define a MALAYSIAN Moron-
1)Has to come from BN, Especially UMNO.
2)Offer free datukships to nobodies,(SRK may be a bollywood actor, but he basically is a nobody, who has contributed nothing to Malaysia)
3)Bankrupt for ideas politicians from BN
4)Corrupt politicians who spout rubbish.
The Indians in Malaysia are treated like anak tiri and Pariahs whlist indian-mamak from india Shah rukh khan is given Datukship.
Moorthy climbed MOUNT EVEREST, REWARD FROM UMNO- treated like a Pariah when he was alive, NO DATUK-SHIP, and left to his own devices when paralysed. REWARD WHEN DEAD, BODY STOLEN FROM HIS FAMILY AND BURIED AS A MUSLIM.
Maybe Malacca needs another PARAMESWARA, so the likeliest candidate was Shah Rukh Khan. they offered it to PRESIDENT Mussharraf but he was not interested.
V. David and P. Patto served their community and the trade unions selflessly, REWARD, FROM UMNO, NADA, ELAH,NEHI NEHI. What about Karamjit Singh the world champion(Category) rally driver, Reward from Umno, nehi nehi, no sponsers, nada, no Datukship, but SHAH rukh khan becomes a malaysian datuk. WHAT NEXT FREE CITIZEN-SHIP?
What about Vijay Singh golf world champion, when he lived and worked as a golf pro. in JB, HE applied for pr but was denied and application rejected.
Well folks that is Malaysia for you. your own citizens are treated like Pariahs, neglected,anak TIRI, while an Indian MAMAK gets his Butt KISSED. This goes beyond folly, this has become ridiculous, what we have here is a case of BANKRUPT FOR IDEAS, MORONS, who have brankupted the state coffers and now show their total ineptitude by offering DATUKSHIPS TO FOREIGNERS, who have done nothing for Malaysia. This awarding of the datukship has totally cheapened the title datuk.
But when you have the lunatics running the asylum what more can you expect.
Truth Shall Prevail
October 11, 2008
HA! HA!
Bravo Haris Bhai! Well done. Superb, Mindblowing, Out of this world!
Sock it to them and let them know how to understand what you meant.
I AM AMAZED…Haris you should be among those that leads the country. Not this corrupt bozos from UMNO.
Take care Brother!
Truth Shall Prevail,
You take care, too, bro.
matt
October 11, 2008
If only everyone would have seen the statement by ali rustam,where he said the govt should listen to the party wtf.And this coming from a man who wants to be dpeem.
Ahmad Sahur
October 11, 2008
The ISA is a crime against humanity if you look at the Rome Statute. As a result, we can have RPK and the rest of the ISA detainee’s released, have the ISA repealed and also have a regime change all in one go if someone lodges a report with the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Go to this site http://margeemar.blogspot.com and find out how.
jojo51
October 11, 2008
I am a strong supporter of Tun Mahathir. Am I angry with Haris on his negative comments against Tun? NO! Why should I when Tun himself won’t. RPK was for many years very scathing in his attacks against Mahathir when Tun was PM. Tun was accused of so many misdeeds, abuse of powers and RPK even refered him as most corrupted and called Tun kinds of names. But did Tun explode, become defensive and sent RPK to jail (ISA). NO! Tun instead gave him space in his cyberworld. It was a No Brainer and a Sleeper who sent RPK to jail.
Unfortunately, Haris becomes very defensive when he was criticised for being BIADAP on someone who has passed away many years ago. To cover his defensive posture, Haris tried to be intellectual in his argument and use the Peter principle why he should not apologize. Even to the extent of trying to dig up so called rottten past. What else if this is not being defensive. Unfortunately, Tun Gafar Baba is not around to defend himself. Come on, Haris. whatever your intellectual discourse you cannot run away from the fact that sikap awak memang BIADAP. Let him rest in peace. But by a stroke of your pen you have made Tun Gaffar Baba the laughing stock for people the world over. Probably, this was not your intent. No amount of justification can undo the damage.
kluangman
October 11, 2008
Yang paling cerdik ialah Haris, tetapi sayang, cerdiknya tidak boleh ditumpang.
Sam Sambal
October 11, 2008
hey jojo51
kalau orang tu dah mati tak bermaksud kita takleh komen pasal dia langsung.
kalau orang tu dah mati, tak bermaksud kita tidak boleh menyentuh mengenai kelemahan dia.
yang kau ikut tu hukum apa? hukum ketuanan orang yang dah mati?
hormat tu kita hormat sesiapa saja, hidup atau mati. tapi kalau seseorang tu ada kelemahan ke atau apa-apa, kita boleh sebut juga tak kira dia hidup lagi tau dah mati.
jangan ler nak terlalu memuja-muja pemimpin mana-mana.
tony tee
October 11, 2008
i have the honour and privillege to be with the late Tun Ghaffar and i can vouch that he speaks english better than many of our local graduates. just wonder if what harris said is heresay or he found the late Tun Ghaffar inability to speak english in their conversation.
harus
October 11, 2008
GB was an english teacher in english school before he became active in politics.
and haris, you are not close enough to hussein onn and mahathir to actually read their minds on why each of them picked their deputies.
hopefull the readers here will not choose to believe what haris had ‘analysed’ on the reasons why those two ex pm chose their deputies.
storm62
October 11, 2008
syabas Datuk Shah Rukh Khan,
finally your students from the Malaysian government have awarded you for teaching them great actings ala Bollywood sytle.
this proved that wayang kulit is really outdated.
i think Jackie Chan and Jet Li will be next.
CPK
October 11, 2008
On the subject of aspiring DPMs and mediocrity –
About 10 years ago, Mohd AR, on an official visit to a hospital, gave the doctors assembled his campaign spiel. He likened DSAI (who had just fallen out of grace)to a man who married a rich widow and claimed credit for their wealth, when the wealth was in fact the wife’s inheritance from her deceased 1st husband.
The analogy here was that all the achievements DSAI claimed credit for, for the time he was in office, were in fact part of UMNO’s long string of achievements. They were not DSAI’s achievements.
To prove his point, he went on to say “di bawah pimpinan UMNO…” (or something to that effect),”……orang Melayu yang TAK PANDAI pun boleh jadi engineer, lawyer dan sebagainya!”. The latter part is almost verbatim, and the spoken emphasis was on ‘TAK PANDAI’.
This pearl of a campaign speech will forever be etched in my mind. Fortunately for him, there was no YouTube at that time.
anna brella
October 11, 2008
Your analysis Haris is absolutely spot on!
I agree that Dr M is a very shrewdly clever person. But he is not a leader in my view because he fears others who are…er….strong or smart. That is why he got rid of Anwar Ibrahim through that sickeningly cruel hatchet job, that could sorry, only fool really stupid people or any of your…er….so-called ostrich-stancers.
I see Dr M as a mere government administrator who got too big for his goose-stepping boots. But I do credit him with being a super clever psychologist who knew exactly how to manipulate and fool most of the good-natured citizenry so that he could entrench and maintain his position in UMNO/BN and his stranglehold on governing power, or in his case, RULING power.
A real leader is there for the good of ALL the people and the strength of the nation and so does not fear others who are weak or strong or smart or not so smart but in fact, actively looks around for the people of the right calibre to be mentored to become good, strong future leaders while also helping all others to fulfill their potentials.
Now is that what Dr M did?
History, with the luxury of true hindsight as always, will be the best judge of his legacy I suppose.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
storm
October 12, 2008
Hey haris,
I am one of those silent readers of yours and rpk’ site. Really admire both yours and his work.Thanks,Grateful.
Hey i really really think your latest article above rocks.Really so succint…Cheers
Joe Rakyat
October 12, 2008
Fellow Malaysians, is this what you really want (see article)? Reject dictatorship and support true democracy — first step, let’s use our voices to free RPK and all ISA detainees:
Zaid: Mahathir is back in power with Najib
By Leslie Lau Consultant Editor
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/10327-
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 11 – Former de facto Law Minister Datuk Zaid Ibrahim says Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s impending rise to become Umno president and Prime Minister marks the return of “Mahathirism”.
Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, he said, will become Malaysia’s “de facto PM”, standing behind Najib.
He said the fall of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is a result of Dr Mahathir prevailing.
Zaid, who resigned recently from Abdullah’s Cabinet in protest against the use of the Internal Security Act, said he did not expect Najib to continue Abdullah’s reform agenda once he takes over.
“Legal and constitutional reforms make you less powerful, more accountable and less able to use the privileges of power.
“Why would someone trained and schooled by Dr Mahathir introduce reforms. Have you heard Najib speak of reforms?” he told The Malaysian Insider.
Zaid said he expects Najib’s administration to be more authoritarian with more controls and restrictions compared to that of Abdullah’s.
Abdullah, he said, believed in reforms, but “he did not have the stomach” to push through the changes needed.
During the interview he also responded to allegations made against him by Dr Mahathir on the latter’s blog recently.
In his chedet.com blog, Dr Mahathir accused Zaid of being in Perth, Australia during the March general election, and for helping the Pas candidate win the Kota Baru constituency against the Barisan Nasional.
Dr Mahathir also criticised Zaid’s move as minister to have the government institute ex-gratia payments to the judges who were sacked as a result of the 1988 judicial crisis.
Said Zaid in response: “He says I helped the Pas candidate, but the fact is Pas was going to win no matter what because of the anti-BN mood.
“He has conveniently forgotten that he actively asked the people to vote against BN to teach Abdullah a lesson.”
Zaid added that Dr Mahathir would never be able to accept why ex-gratia payments were made to the judges because it reflects badly on his legacy as Prime Minister.
He said Dr Mahathir would never understand the need for reforms because, to him, “more authoritarianism is better”.
The former minister said Malaysia’s political and economic uncertainties today is a result of Dr Mahathir.
He also blamed Dr Mahathir for Umno’s unpopularity and lack of proper leadership.
“The truth is we have had no proper election since 1987,” he said in reference to the year in which Dr Mahathir defeated Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah by a wafer-thin majority to retain the Umno presidency.
Soon after that election, Umno was declared illegal in a court case which led eventually to the 1988 judicial crisis and the sacking of judges involved in the case.
Under Dr Mahathir, the Societies Act was also subsequently amended disallowing judicial review of any political party decision.
“After the Societies Act was amended the president of Umno could do anything.
“You have destroyed the fabric of our lives as a democracy. Have you not done enough?”
Zaid said Malaysia faced an uncertain and more authoritarian future when Najib takes over.
“You had 23 years of Dr Mahathir, so let’s say Najib lasts for 10 years as PM with Mahathir behind him. That means a total of 33 years under Dr Mahathir.”
junglebunnyintheuk
October 12, 2008
Hey Haris
Really admire yr cool in the face of some of the asinine comments;) God bless you and yours – please keep well.
Malaysian Wannabe Again
October 12, 2008
Well done again, Haris
An apt response to the ostrich stancers. I am constantly amazed at the plain STUPIDITY (let’s call a spade a spade) of some of these critics. There is a very apt saying slightly modified “Let others think you are a fool, but don’t open your mouth and remove all doubts”. Another is “Engage one’s brain before engaging one’s mouth”.
Your critics are not your intellectual equal and I do so enjoy the entertainment when they try.
Kira
October 12, 2008
Abuse of Power by The Deputy Prime Minister:
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/13687/84/
Wah, now got Najib’s handphone number can call and ask for scholarship – hooray! You help saifool right? Must help more Malaysian mah. Can also ask him why so garang on tv the other day; already so ugly some more want to make ugly faces and shout at people.
Drachen
October 12, 2008
I think Dr M is the biggest cynic in the country.
Paul Warren
October 12, 2008
A whole very long and well thought out posting just to appease or counter some scum bags who cannot see the woods from the trees. I wonder what you are going to be accused of now.
On SRK’s Datukship, I was wondering if it was an attempt at molly cuddling the HINDRAF types. Now, if that was the case, it sure is evidence of how little the UMNO types have got to know their fellow Malaysian citizens of Indian extraction. And I am not about to tell them why too. Let them find out on their bloody own. I may not be wrong to say that maybe this Datukshio to SRK would probably please a lot more Malay movie viewers than it would Malaysian Indain.
mawardi
October 12, 2008
Yes, because of it, I would love to say, Haris’ father is a poor loser, because he ‘made’ Haris the idiot.
Hahaha. What a joke.
Patricia
October 12, 2008
Hi Haris,
I’ve missed you! Couldn’t get into your blog for some reason… until today. And what a post to greet me!!
The standard of English in Malaysia sucks. Bigtime. So when people read you, it is a first-level reading: getting no more that what the words say. They just don’t get it. Because they can’t.
Just look at some of the comments here. Same story. And, it’s not that they don’t have a sense of humour. For most humour, and political humour especially, uses and abuses people and their idiosyncrasies. It isn’t meant to hurt, it is meant to enlighten. Or help you see a new perspective.
That aside, this was a brilliant post. So telling in what is in store for us.
Can you look into your crystal ball and get us a new reading, eh, Haris? I don’t like this one 😦
Pat
Sunz
October 12, 2008
LOL! Ow, Harris. Laughing cramp.
There are some rather willfully blind individuals making rounds here, aren’t they? You’ve put up comments that’ve opposed you intellectually and replied to them with equal calibre; not ‘silenced all dissent’… What does ego have to do with a joke? Jeez- those jokes were all the street rage before…
This is why i like reading our posts; you make your arguments very clear- but somehow i don’t think the Mahathir and UMNO fans would be pleased with your implications.
And good on you for keeping your temperature low despite the emergence of such asinine comments- hopefully they think before they type, next time.
UMNO may have started out well, but by destroying it’s opposition, it doomed itself to corruption.
And najib will not be PM. I don’t think the people wil stand for it; not for long. And the li’l sms posting in Malaysia Today may play a part in it too…. hmm?
Sunz
clearwater
October 12, 2008
We are culturally inhibited from maligning our elders, whether dead or alive, whether justifiable or not, as it is deemed ill mannered and inconsiderate. This often blinds us to their weaknesses and to unhealthy cult-like hero worship. However, it seems Malaysia currently has more than its fair share of Peters as federal ministers and that to me is an unkind act of fate that we must do something about. I mean remove them, not just poke fun at them or their poor [feigned or otherwise] command of English. Politicians have to accept some pretty ugly criticism, comes with the territory. I think you made fair comment, Haris. I have read a lot worse on the two politicians you refer to.
mawardi
October 12, 2008
Hey, I got another joke.
Haris’ momma’s stupid, she calls Haris a son of a bitch.
artchan
October 12, 2008
Paul Warren 904am
the datukship for Shah Rukh is to carry rosemary’s balls…(nothing to do with appeasing Hindraf) She is great fan of SRK..and for Rustam to suggest SRK for datukship is nothing more that licking pink lip’s a$$. Rosemary happy..pink lips is happy..pink lips is happy..rustam is happy.
mat taib
October 12, 2008
Brilliant, my man, simply brilliant.
I wonder where muhammad is hiding now, not a word from him
Farida
October 12, 2008
Haris,
Wanna know who we should crown the king of ostrich-stancers? The crown goes to Rehman Rashid.
See his article: The sacrificial absolution of Umno at nst online.
http://nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Columns/2372509/Article/index_html
Joe Rakyat
October 12, 2008
Somehow, I don’t think this is the real mawardi posting all these no-class comments about Haris. Just some worm pretending to be mawardi, trying to create problems.
Don’t be a coward, fake mawardi. Use your real name and don’t link to innocent people’s blogs. Who’s paying you to say these things about Haris?
May God rest your soul, you pitiful worm. JR
artchan
October 12, 2008
mawardi..
i am not laughing..a joke is supposed to make people laugh.
You sick or what?
shar101
October 12, 2008
Haris,
Please lah publish the ‘fake’ mawardi IP and e-mail addresses and some of us will take it from there.
shar,
Thanks but no thanks
Justin
October 12, 2008
Please read http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/13687/84/
IF TRUE, Najib is toast.
storm62
October 12, 2008
only umno goons will go hay-wire from reading Haris blog like this “fake” mawardi for hiding under umno’s filthy 51year old underwear.
Ex-Malaysian
October 12, 2008
mat taib Says:
October 12, 2008 at 1:39 pm
…… I wonder where muhammad is hiding now, not a word from him
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He has resurfaced as mawardi but unable to hide the fact that a moron always remains a moron, it’s in the genes. The attempt at humor is so feeble. Compared to Haris, he is totally insignificant. To call him a moron would indeed be a compliment but I doubt if he can even appreciate this compliment.
Haris Bro, you are the man and keep safe. God Bless
Truth Shall Prevail
October 12, 2008
HA! HA!
Bravo Haris Bhai.
You are stepping on toes.
Some are getting agitated and its really funny how they come on and off trying to get even with name calling and so forth.
Its so interesting these intellectuals…UMNO goons. I am really enjoying this so much so every five minutes I am in here to check out some of these hilarious posts. Thanks Bhai
Brian
October 12, 2008
Mawardi,
That’s the difference, you would not be given any space in Najib’s blog writing like this about Najib. It shows how immature you are. Wont waste time with you
artic turban
October 12, 2008
MAWARDI OR WHATEVER HOLE YOU CRAWLLED OUT FROM, I had the great privelage of meeting both harris’s late father and mother, watch your mouth, Both were lecturere from Malay college Kuala kangsar where the elite of malay soceity came from. You wouldn’t even be to comprehend the amount of respect they held amongst their peers, friends, students and anybody who came across them. For people like you mawardi worm, the word biadap comes to mind.
artic turban,
Actually, they were both teachers at Clifford School, Kuala Kangsar, but thank you.
And yes, I will proudly say they are both well remembered in K. Kangsar.
Meng
October 13, 2008
mawardi, first Haris father and then his momma. Why get personal??
What if I say your Father call you son of a Bitch. That means your mother got screwed by a dog.
This is childish but Nice to hear these types of remarks isn’t it. I am sure you don’t like it?? I don’t!!
An intellectual man would not answer to your childish remarks. Haris would not bring himself to your low character and standard. Please lah make your brain alive and lively.
Kennedy
October 13, 2008
haris, you are a patriot, on par with rpk and the iron sheikh(kickdefella). You are a man of principles. Do not feel upset over some comments from some minorities. keep on the good work. you are the man. to be a man you got to beat the man. haris, you are an example of this. have a nice day, patriot. see you tomorrow.
Kennedy,
Kind words. Thank you, friend
anna brella
October 13, 2008
To mawardi:
Sorry, I fail to see how your unamusing jokes/cheap personal attacks on Haris and his presumably, uninvolved private-individual parents, have any relevance whatsoever to anything that is being discussed or alluded to here on this thread.
Could you therefore, please clarify the relevance of your two somewhat mystifying postings here, the relevance of which I am clearly failing to see. Thanks.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Capt Cock
October 13, 2008
‘Touche’ Harris…you got it on the spot….I use to serve a minister (still minister now)during the time GB was the DPM. Even then we use to make jokes about him…well after all he got 2 BA’s…his son Tamrin was using a car with the plate no MT 1 and GB plate no was MT 2….see these jokes are from within the UMNO circle then….so Mr Muhammad or Mr Mawardi and the others who are not comfortable with Harris blogg,dont you guys understand english…if you guys feel offended then like I said before take a hike in a closet somewhere….carry on your good work Harris..there are more rational people around than those idiots…sorry for the outburst.
woodyooi
October 13, 2008
Haris,
I like your use of Latin legal term “Caveat Emptor” here. Though I read it before in legal paper but I am not from legal fraternity and hardly took any trouble to understand the in depth meaning of it. Now I know the true meaning of it after reading your blog.
Keep writing.
Only those able to appreciate the beauty of language able to appreciate the meaning of writings, even in deep disagreement. Only the pariahs not able to comprehend the meaning will always resort to name calling, personal attacks and wanting to stoke the flame of hatred to initiate a public mob lynching exercise, which is what they are best at.
Thanks for the nice piece.
-woody
woodyooi,
Thank you
justmy2SEN
October 13, 2008
Haris,
You’re just one of ‘PERASAN-BAGUS’ blogger who’d stoop so low to make a statement on a dead person
KEEP UP EXPOSING YOUR ‘PERASAN-BAGUS’ MENTALITY..HOPE PEOPLE CAN SEE YOUR TRUE COLORS
The Whisperer
October 13, 2008
Haris,
The common trait between an ostrich and ostrich-stancer is both have their ass exposed which made them an easy prey to predators.
Bro, you have just hit them where it hurt most.
To Hell with Them!!
galadriel
October 13, 2008
From what I have heard people saying, the late Ghaffar Baba was often derided as somewhat a “lacking fellow”. I dunno how else to put it. It could have been more his unassuming manner and looks. Dunno if that is a fair yardstick.
He wasn’t a snappy dresser or outwardly sophisticated. But he was as they say, popular with the grassroots. This was reported fact.
As to the reason Dr M chose him, the parallels between Ghaffar and Pak Lah during their respective tenure, were kinda eerie. Just like there were parallels between Musa and Anwar.
And when u become politician, u are fair game for everyone, regardless of whether u r dead or alive.
Btw Haris, having a docile deputy was de rigueur for all autocrats isn’t it? Remember Lee Kuan Yew’s deputy?
It is necessary for the likes of these people have a weak deputy cos. Less trouble.
Hell, remember Samy Vellu? He had to have quiet docile fellas as his No 2 so that there is no threat to his rule. He rewards the yes-men with positions in party and deputy ministerships. Sothinathan and Palanivel were both such types. Even Ong Ka Ting and Koh Tsu Koon were both seen as yes men in MCA and Gerakan respectively in the past.
The choice of Ghaffar actually makes Dr M look very much the Macchiaveli. The choices Dr Macchiaveli and his fellow dictators made is why Malaysia is without proper leader material now.
U know what, if i was Ghaffar or his relative, I would not be too pissed with the joke. If he was intelligent and courageous enuff, maybe he would have stood up to Dr M.
No, ladies and gentlemen. he was pragmatic. And the joke? The joke’s ultimately on us, the rakyat.
Wormhole
October 13, 2008
Because of Mahathir, Malaysia has lost its separation of powers needed for true democracy in Malaysia. The executive, judiciary and legislature have all been compromised and placed under the control of greedy, self-serving politicians. The fourth estate, the media, has its freedom to report curtailed with threats and corporate control. There are no checks and balances of any kind in Malaysia now, Thanks to Mahathir. Do we really want another 50 years of this? If Najib takes over, Mahathir will rule by proxy, and all bloggers will be in Kamunting under ISA.
Helen Ang
October 14, 2008
How low will the cybertroopers go?
Impersonating ‘mawardi’ is contemptible!
Haris, pls be vigilant, especially if the comments are out of character. Like the other sceptics here, I have my doubts that the ‘real’ mawardi posted the rude comments.
I’ve noticed that some previously unheard-of-before (pseudonymous) commentators come in and hit below the belt and run, and may even assume other readers’ identities.
They get oooh-so-sensitive when the Tun’s legacy (both of repressive policy & DNA) are criticized.
Alert on MukhrizWatch: Jerlun beginning to sound like Kubang Pasu’s echo chamber. This son of Mahathir sailing through with frontrunner Umno Youth nominations shows how much dynastic feudalism is alive, and the Mahathir clan apple polishers still very much kicking.
aliimran
October 18, 2008
H,
You used to remind me of 16:125.
Perhaps you have forgotten of the reminder that you used to freely give away unsolicited. But most importantly, you have forgotten of 16:125.
😦
A.
aliimran,
No, I think you choose to misunderstand the purport of 16:125
aliimran
October 18, 2008
H,
This is interesting. Beside 16:125, what else you dispensed with to suit your purport?
🙂
A.
aliimran,
Speak plainly