Twitter buddy S. Aroki provided the link to this video that confirms what I was told by the 3 eye witnesses.
Tian Chua, you have some serious explaining to do.
You showed disrespect to the Bersih 2.0 leadership that was present there, especially Ambiga, and were leading the rally.
Most importantly, you took it upon yourself to alter a peaceful rally to one of aggression and, in so doing, put many out there at risk to life and limb.
Please do not keep silent on this, Tian Chua.
Posted in: BERSIH 2.0 Rally, Right to know
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farida
July 28, 2011
Thank you, Haris, for your impartiality.
Those in the wrong, on whichever side of the divide, must own up to their behaviour and errors.
If this country is to move forward, accountability must begin in our own ‘home’.
We must be BERSIH first before we expect others to be – BERSIH in thought, deed and most of all motive – the intent of our hearts.
Only then can we say we have earned the right to point an accusing finger at others.
Accountability must be on all fronts,.
potpourri
July 28, 2011
well said, farida.
“drama king” tian was disrespectful not only to Ambiga but to every single person who marched on 709.
Don
July 29, 2011
Oh dear, it her again, Haris’ greatest supporter. Doesn’t matter what Haris says, Firida will just raise her hands and say, “I support Haris”. What a loser.
Bersih for ALL
July 31, 2011
Don.. Tian Chua can shit in your mother’s mouth.. you will say it’s your mom’s fault.. stop being a buffalo being pulled by ‘leaders’.. we need to change. Your mentality is just loke BN.. if Tian Chua f**ks up.. HE IS INDESPENSIBLE.. BERSIH is for the PEOPLE not PKR/PR/BN/PAS/UMNO/MIC/DAP/MCA … gettit??? I am so disgusted at Tian Chua.
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed
July 28, 2011
As I said to you, if there’s no politicians involved in Bersih 3.0, I’d be more than willing to give my support. More often than not, blokes like Tian Chua may screw up the good cause
racistmalaysian
July 28, 2011
You don’t put condition to support something good. Unless of course you’re not supportive of the cause and everything you said is just an excuse.
Bersih
July 28, 2011
I think u r an ignorant armchair critic. U dont know, didnt go and yet you chose to chastise.
FYI, they were trapped in the tunnel and police trapped them. No where to go and threatened with tear gas. Thus the rush outside. U were not there so dont get too comfortable criticising others in fron of your PC in your airconditioned room.
potpourri
July 28, 2011
how dare you call haris an armchair critic???? i know this man and he is like a big brother to me. i know what he has done, things i (and many others) would not even dare to do…
he has sacrificed much for the country…
Haris Ibrahim
July 28, 2011
potpourri,
Relax, sis.
Let them say what they want.
God knows what I do.
That suffices for me
Don
July 29, 2011
Potpouri, care to share with us the sacrifices that Haris has made for this country.
He may be “like a big brother” to you, to some of us, he is a saboteur. His attack on Tian Chua is proof enough.
gunnfan
July 28, 2011
Don’t embarrass yourself and Bersih dude.
Haris has been fighting injustice since you were in diapers.
Don
July 29, 2011
is that a fact gunnfun? Care to name the injustices that Haris is known for? You do that and i will name the instances that he has sabotaged people of great credibility and integrity.
I will eagerly await your reply.
Joe Simple
July 28, 2011
Bersih,
Haris was there in that tunnel in the thick of action. I met Haris after the incident and I took a picture with him. That was my most memorable moment on July 9th. We had a quick chat and Haris told me that was the worst tear gas incident he ever experienced being attacked from both ends of the tunnel.
I really cannot say much about Tian Chua or what exactly this clip depicts but it is this particular clip that is being used by the police time and time again to show the rakyat provoking the police force. He needs to come and explain simple as that.
Cheers.
Daphne Bartlett
July 28, 2011
I agree with you Joe Simple. YB Tian Chua owes it to himself and the rakyat on what was displayed on that video clip
neutral observer
July 30, 2011
I do not see any evidence suggesting a provocative action by Tian viz No Weapons in hand, no War cry and only a fool will pick fight with the armed FRU . He looks as if he was trying to escape or make a break from the gauntlet or create a diversion for people to break from the gauntlet. All arguments suggesting direct confrontation or attack is not backed with logical evidence but purely conjectures!
Paul Warren
July 28, 2011
Tian Chua had no right to do what he did. Yes he can stand in the front if he wants. But by calling on people to “charge” and running forward, he knew what he was doing. He wanted to break through and there were people there looking upon some kind of leadership initiative to follow suit. Even if I was there I might have looked upon Tian Chuua for leadership, if no one else from Bersih was there. Just because he was unarmed does not exonerate him. Peaceful means, under the circumstances, stopping. sitting , walking slowly towards the police. I see it as Tian Chua’s cheap attempt at hijacking a leadership role for himself. He was basically inviting the FRU to shoot!!
chris
July 28, 2011
his brains located in his small head
rocky
July 28, 2011
look at the video and the one by the cops,they got tear gassed cos Tian Chua rushed at the cops. He is gulity. but the cops in their video say they have this 30m safety zone and once in the zone, they will fire tear gas etc. how come Patriot group treated differently. they charged as well once they were next FRU, well within the 30meters.
Khairul
July 28, 2011
Hey common bro…politicians also Malaysians…They have the rights to join….After all, We are the one who vote them to become the MP…jgn bercakap macam budak2 sekolah tadika la…
If you dont want to join, then better shut your mouth..
accountability..?? hahaha…
in short, semua yang tinggalkan komen disini kebanyakan hanya berani bercakap di dalam blog sahaja…enough said, you guys semua rela diperbodohkan oleh UMNO selama 50 tahun lebih..
but to us, enough is enough…
Voting Hands
July 28, 2011
The 1,2,3 counting is defntly planning to run/attack/chicken out or whatever.. PKR should immediately answer while waiting for YB Tian Chua recalls the 1,2,3 and putting thousands at the mercy of police !! 1st glance, YB Tian Chua look not only like a bad boy but a freaking dumb one too
Damien T
niamafulat
July 28, 2011
Those who know Tian Chua knows he will charge at the FRU like a pitbull. It’s his “thing”.
Those who know Haris will know PKR is his favourite whipping boy. So no surprise for the above post.
Joe Labis
July 28, 2011
Apa la lu haris. Tengok la video lain of the same incident, taken from a different angle. Porrahh
Haris Ibrahim
July 28, 2011
Joe Labis,
Dont shoot from the hip and disappear into th sunset.
Give us the link to the other videos you think we should view
Daphne Bartlett
July 28, 2011
Well said Harris!
Joe Chew
July 29, 2011
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnYPlTFwQfUY&h=xAQBg–cZ
This is the video from another angle, hope Haris can explain to public.
Voting Hands
July 28, 2011
Link pls…
Voting Hands
July 28, 2011
Hmmmm… No link !! Ok, now I count 1,2,3 you run ok ? LOL
potpourri
July 28, 2011
One good example of PKR’s bad behaviour is in this video of events surrounding the arrests of 10 people who were wearing yellow during the Najib event at KL Sentral. Take a good look at the video and see how the PKR guy charged towards the PM. That kind of behaviour is unacceptable!
Voting Hands
July 28, 2011
Video doesn’t show clearly that this person was rushing towards the PM.. It does show PDRM moving what they see as a threat away from the premier
potpourri
July 28, 2011
There is a another video which is about 7 minutes long. I watched it yesterday, but I can’t find it now. That one clearly shows the guy in yellow pushing his way towards Najib.
kuda
July 28, 2011
aiyahh…want to pass a letter to pm must go near him la..
other wise just throw surat layang?
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed
July 28, 2011
The guy was lucky because he’s a Malaysian and happened to be in Malaysia. Had he tried to do the same stunt on Barack Obama in the US, the Secret Service would have shot a bullet through his brains 🙂
andrew
July 28, 2011
i did not see them rushing at the pm but was struggling when being held back while trying to give pm their memo…. don’t put blame just to support another.
whatalulu
July 28, 2011
it was a cheap shot publicity stunt by the pkr kids. a misuse of bersih as an “excuse” for 5 minuts of fame
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed
July 28, 2011
I’m reading this thread while sipping a nice cup of Tongkat Ali coffee after a sumptuous lunch. Apologetics! Apologetics!
At the time of writing, neither PKR nor Tian Chua has released any statements pertaining to this. Maybe they are busy rounding up their cybertroopers to whack you, Haris!
Bersih
July 28, 2011
Well, if Haris wants to put down all of PKR due to this, then all his own actions also goes down due to his ignorance of this incident.
just another malaysian
July 28, 2011
“The whole of PKR”??? Haris didnt mention PKR once in this or the previous blog! The question is to Tian Chua only..who is ignorant..you didnt even know Haris was at the rally!
Jong
July 28, 2011
No one mentioned PKR, but everyone knows this no-brainer is attention seeker Tian Chua is from there!
Shazlan
July 28, 2011
“All of PKR”??? Sometimes, one needs to know when to shut up. Else, one will be seen as an idiot…
Another point… While we shout “lawan tetap lawan”, “salah pun tetap salah”!!! It doesn’t matter whether you are BN or PR… Ini bikin malu to BERSIH peaceful rally…
KC Tan
July 28, 2011
Frankly, from the video i saw it seems Tian Chua was charging at the FRU but then again when you’re cornered front and back with FRU, what’s the normal reaction than trying to break through or get out of a situation?
Give tian chua the benefit of doubt and let’s hear what is his explanation before we accused him of any wrong doing, people!
Voting Hands
July 28, 2011
Yea.. Kita bagi dia & PKR 48 jam
– pengundi yg kena gas
benfoo
July 28, 2011
agreed….let the man speak up first before we draw our conclusions….unlike the failed judiciary system, i for one would like to believe still that an individual is “innocent till proven guilty”
@haris: thanks for bringing this matter up and seeking clarification….i believe we could all learn and adopt such impartiality….regardless of race, creed, colour or political affiliations…..cheers again
Jong
July 28, 2011
Whatever, this idiot TC has always been attention grabber from PKR, a party full of wannabe generals but no soldiers! Are we at all surprised?
Raizzen
July 29, 2011
I just wonder though. If its true, the fact that they were surrounded and had no exit way.. Should Tian Chua remain silent, will the people who bash him now still bash him for his INACTION ?
Just out of curiosity, what would YOU do if you were in his shoe ? (ppl looks for leadership in time of crisis and am sure as impulsive as the action was, a decision had to be made.. and he happens to be an MP there..)
shar101
July 28, 2011
Slam dunk posting, Haris.
Tigermania
July 28, 2011
Protesters may have been trapped as alleged by someone here but the video does not show them in any danger until Tian Chua led the rush. Haris, you know what the nature of the beast is from days at the Wharf. Anwar owes him a lot ;o)
sampalee
July 28, 2011
God do not just witness our actions,it reads our intention as well.Haris,keep up whatever you do for the glory of TUHAN and abide by his Wisdom.It is all in the kithab and do drop at my blog, sampalee@blogspot.com. Inshaallah.
James Nakason
July 28, 2011
LOL …Tian Chua Tian Chua …u are very brave and act like a pitBULL ..charge …..
Ting
July 28, 2011
From what I see it, even if Tian Chua will to charge at the police, it does not justify them using teargas, as he did not have any weapons with him. Moreover, the video is not clear whether it is him or not. Moreover, the police are all armed and covere with helmet and shield. What have they to be afraid of? What I see is that he is trying to go to the side with a group of people. Why not ask him what he is doing instead of speculating?
Leithaisor
July 28, 2011
The BERSIH stance pre-march had always been to adopt a non-violent, non-provacative approach. Never give the police any cause to take action. Maintain the moral high ground even in the face of infair and even illegal action by the police.
Tain Chua’s action clearly went against this stance.
I recall his bravery – sitting down in front of an FRU water cannon – Tiananmen Square tank-man style – even when he had been drenched with that stinging water, for instance. And the number of tiumes he had been arrested and abused by the authorities speaks of his stout heart and dedication too. But not of his head.
BERSIH 2.0 was not a PKR nor Pakatan effort though several of its politicians were involved in the effort. The orders were clear that no provocation of the police was to be done.
Yet, Tian Chua listened to his heart, and acted unwisely. Worse, against orders.
In so doing, he gave the authroties ammo to shoot back at BERSIH 2.0, spinning his foolish kamikaze rush into something like “a mob charging the police”.
What good did he do? None.
That being said, whatever Tian Chua foolishly did, at best, the police should only resort to a controlled firing of teargas and some arrests. Not the alleged direct horizontal targetting of teargas guns at protestors.
Not only was that uncalled for, it was likely to be in the realm of dangerous firing of firearms in a manner which can easily kill.
That the police had arms in their hands brings with it the onerous responsibility to handle the firearms in a responsible manner. Any abuse of the firearms must be investigated, and the toughest disciplinary action taken against the offenders.
In particular, if the allegations of an officer actually ordering his FRU men to lower their teargas guns so that the cannisters are shot directly at protestors is proven true, the proverbial book should be thropwn at him as heavily as possible.
In the same vein, PKR should also thrown the book at Tian Chua, and hopefully some sense will be knocked into his brave but thick head that he had not acted in the best interest of BERSIH 2.0.
Tigermania
July 29, 2011
That’s what happens when Mr NGO becomes Mr Politician
tcl
July 28, 2011
But he is still an unarmed man…. Is he worse in anyway worse than some kris waving individuals who incite racial hatred?
Chester
July 28, 2011
If there is no good explanation from Tian Chua, I would rather vote against him in GE13 if he is nominated to defend his seat. There is no place for those who sacrifice the life of others so he can play hero.
Brandon Tan
July 28, 2011
Then let Tian Chua explain…
pat
July 28, 2011
We do not like the authorities or govt. to behave unruly towards us. Likewise, we should not behave like samseng. I personally hv not watched of his arrest on the 27th July in KL Sentral.Personally, he has no biz. to be there. If u were there uninvited, then behave yourself. U bring shame not to yourself but to Bersih and Pakatan Rakyat. I think Tian Chua should behave like a YB first. His days as an activist is over. If he cannot change then he shld go back to his days as an activist and do not deserve to be a YB. I am proud of the Bersih 2.0 participants because we demonstrated with PEACE, KINDNESS,LOVE and CLASS.That makes 709 such a unique experience. The World supports us, Malaysians thank us and the government couldn’t find any fault in us because we demonstrated with a pure and sincere heart. We have no motive but we are just asking for our Malaysian rights as a fellow Malaysian.
Jong
July 28, 2011
You’ve said it all, pat! That guy’s a liability to Pakatan Rakyat from day one since GE-12; one blabbermouth ahead of his boss always.
master
July 29, 2011
Oh up to now, Anwar was a liability. Now Tian Chua too. Haris, you want to target PKR one by one kah? 3rd force tactics to gain power?
John Lang
July 28, 2011
Basically this bloke has no brain. He thinks he is very clever but actually he is an idiot with “dungs between his ears”. If PKR continues to keep this bloke in their rank and dominate his candidacy in the next GE13, PKR can jolly well kiss goodbye to the constituancy that this bloke is contesting in. He is a disgrace to all Malaysians. If I am a police officer, I too would have charged at him and give him a good beating both in public and in private just to teach him to behave better..
khoo
July 28, 2011
yes, he just want to be seen hero, he want to be batu api only la, if the country be kecoh, then he can deputy prime minister you know, hahaha…../
panas
July 28, 2011
i dun see any significant issue about what TC did. u were not there, u din know the whole story.
u should ask, why the FRU shot them with that bloody shit things… TC and his followers din bring anything… to harm anybody there…
we should support bersih without condition as it is for us, for our country and for our future generation future!
haris ibrahim… do something novel or else.. u just a freaking guy! be open and make it clear of your stand….
TC… teruskan perjuangan anda.
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed
July 28, 2011
Panas… do you actually know *who* Haris Ibrahim is and how he’s actually connected to Bersih?
This confirms my belief that some who participated in the rally don’t have the slightest clue what they are doing there 😀
Eagle
July 28, 2011
What is there to explain. Tian Chua was speeding forward and he had no weapons, no parang, no kris and no canister gas to shoot back at the FRU.
Kenapa FRU mesti menggelabah? Just stop him and arrest him and no reasons or whatsoever to fire at the crowd.
What a bullshit for him to explain! The police has got plenty to explain! firing at people directly and the abuse language used on that day.
Alamak apa mahu explain as Tian Chua was only carrying his two balls ma!
donplaypuks
July 28, 2011
Bro
Whose side are you on?
Leave it to the police to investigate and if they have the evidence and case, charge Tian Chua.
It was supposed to be a peaceful assembly. Who came there with tear gas and water cannons and cornered everyone like a posse of cattle, robbing them of their dignit? Who were the provocateurs – Tian Chua or the police and FRU?
An what, TC was “charging” the FRU with a lethal yellow T-shirt and shouting out “3” ??!!
You want to curry favour with the force which arrests people for “waging war against the KIng” and “resurrecting Communism”?
Come on, get off your high horse. Please reserve your energy and righteousness for the real enemy!
dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race
mydh.xii
July 28, 2011
it is most unfortunate haris ibrahim has turned a badmouth trying to champion himself much like what RPK is doing.
In fact you can just ignore people like this for wanting to piggy back on public figure for publicity.
like RPK’s article on TBH-RCI. No substance and nor proof was given for their presumptous conclusion.
Now I clarify that i’m fully supportive of real democracy not only 3rd force… but 4th , 5th….. whatever it takes.
the 3rd force as RPK proposed is at best a bunch of unfavoured ELITES. What place does the RAKYAT has
but being blind sighted to emminent issues which you know would not carry you far due to oppression, you have chosen to crush down on unsuspecting entities. So much for pragmatism
I was never interested in RPK for his blabbering. Yes admittedly he did stir some shit but as he always has done, therewas never any real substance in his charge. Or is he with holding some info/evidence. or may be it’s just a toohless tiger roaring. i can forgive him for what he said in altan tuya case (though i doubt his integrity) but his true color is really showing when he said people already made up their mind on TBH case.
An uneducated person or anyone who is not so outspoken can be forgiven. but for someone like RPK & H.I., what you are doing is as filthy if not not worst than UMNO warlords. For you have garnered people’s trust/support thru pretentious slandering of the umno elites, but infact, like what you claimed, you did not ever say what people believe you had said. (leave me out of this, i read your blog only to wait for some real hard evidence that you failed to produce.)
Now, the video you posted did NOT show any aggravation by any rally supporter. fyi, i watched it several times to come to this conclusion.
H.I. supposedly was there too. Why did you not take the lead and bring people to safety? What would you do to help the people get out of the dangerous situation when & where you are trapped. Are you going to let you followers suffocate or get injured or worst get killed in the under-passage. or would you be a responsible leader risking all yourself but the safety of your follower.
maybe you are just contended with stabbing your general from behind while leaving your “enemies” laughing. Unless ofcourse, they are not your enemy. That would explain better of why you do what you are doing.
For they say “The PEN is mightier than the sword”. The enemy sword can not harm us but your pen has just back-stabbed your allies.
http://www.facebook.com/UncleBersih
master
July 29, 2011
WELL SAID!!!!!!!!
niamafulat
July 28, 2011
After posting earlier, I called a few buddies who were at KL Sentral at the time. They think TC’s action was justifiable.
1. Women and children were getting hammered w/ tear gas.
2. There was no way to fall back.
3. Then Tian Chua led the charge of the Bersih 2 brigade, while they snuck Anwar, Khalid Samad and other injured people away.
4. Tian Chua is crazy, but not necessarily “bad” as how this holier than thou, beer swilling, weed smoking blog author had implied.
5. Haris should not throw stones in glass houses.
6. Haris has a record of mucking up the facts on his blog.
7. Haris has a record of attacking PKR, especially during party party elections.
8. MCLM wants to eat up PKR seats, split the vote, and give BN easy win.
Haris: You call yourself the third force. Well, we are the fourth. And we are watching you very closely.
Leithaisor
July 28, 2011
I don’t know what the buddies you called were seeing, but I have been watching dozens upon dozens of videos shot by non-govt people all through 9 July itself and since then. I have seen several videos of Tian Chua’s charginbg at the FRU in Sentral, and they all show the same story.
But just watch the video Haris posted – there was NO teargas fired at Sentral until foolish Tian Chua charged the FRU.
So what “women and children getting hammered with tear gas”?
I still think Tian Chua likely did what he felt was best at that time, but if he had thought it through properly, he should have followed the plan of the BERSIH 2.0 leaders viz. no provocation. Which means no kamikaze charge at the FRU ranks.
A foolish charge which gave the FRU a lovely excuse to fire the teargas.
As for Haris writing about “bad boy” Tian Chua, we have to face the facts. If the facts are that sosmeone “on this side” was foolish, we have to face the truth in order to grow and learn from the mistake.
Or are you advocating the classic UMNO-BN tactic of clamping down on dissent, censoring the Press and deporting lawyer bearing information which is not to your liking?
drsaravananr
July 28, 2011
All said, we need Thian Chua’s reply on this. There definitely were options other than charging at the FRU. I have to go with Haris on this one.
Cheers
budak kampung
July 28, 2011
wah! ramai yg mengugut itu dan ini, i,m suportive of MCLM but i dont like when starting to condemn.
we got to work together bro, without the pakatan rakyat members, i think 0n july 9th, u only get less then 1000 on the street so we got to work together
farida
July 28, 2011
Bersih was the common man’s walk.
It was imperative that politicians who shared the same ideals on that day walked as common men and women, abiding by the instructions of those in the steering committee and accepting that the committee members take the lead. There were no YBs that day, no Tan Sris, Datuks or Datins. Just common Malaysians with a magnificent motive.
And Malaysians with a heart for change walked that day, trusting enough in the steering committee’s wisdom to have us walk different routes, following those appointed by the committee.
What Tian Chua did, stemming from a motive only he is privy to or from impulsiveness, is tantamount to straying from the group plan.
Think of an army on the march. Soldiers have to listen to their general when facing the enemy and await the order to move forward.. It is not for them to suddenly dart forward with a few others, breaking rank with the rest.
That is pure insubordination, throws the entire army into disarray, merits a full investigation and can deserve severe punishment.
We were an army that day, weren’t we?
We had leaders that day, didn’t we? Tian Chua definitely was not one of them.
He was to follow the leaders of the day.
He did not.
The Bersih Committee cannot afford to have a repeat of what happened.
They gave their word that Bersih would be peaceful, would not provoke.
One of our own, a common man that day called Tian Chua broke that promise and let us down.
It is as simple as that.
opAir
July 29, 2011
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please stop imposing your views or Haris’ for that matter on situation you have no clue about.
in PUDU people just sat peacefully and were gassed too so I am very surprised the way you concur what he did was wrong is very appalling.
you like haris is just an opportunist exploiting situation just like well politicians do.
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potpourri
July 29, 2011
What makes you think Farida was nowhere near Pudu that day? I was with her all morning until we were separated after getting tear gassed near Puduraya. I was one of those who sat peacefully in Jalan Pudu, and got tear gassed (again).
Tian Chua was wrong to do what he did that day. His kamikaze action only gave PDRM the ammunition they needed to attack Bersih.
What is wrong with PKR members (and supporters)? Are PKR leaders so perfect that they are beyond reproach?
opAir
July 28, 2011
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looks like haris is getting to be an expert at exploitation.
tskk… tsk…
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Deep
July 28, 2011
Haris, watch this video from 5:55. Whether or not the people tried to escape out of the tunnel, its obvious the FRU were about to gas them anyway! You think they would have let them continue? Coz that’s all the FRU knows to do.
4RAKYAT
July 28, 2011
egyption and tunisian regime change were achieved through peaceful march and negotations. we have to be civil because we are dealing with a civilsed govt party i.e. umno.
the gandhi ways always work. gandhi’s opponents were the british then. our opponent is umno and the police. both are gentlemenly and civilised.
and 709 happened because bersih2.0’s successful negotations with the police and umno. if we had not gotten what we demanded (that 8-point thingy) we would’ve stayed home. now that the umno govt are listening to our woes, and those guys in the video are apparently armed and dangerous (and cornered like dogs), tian chua should not have charged at the police.
the police, especially that brickfields ocpd and the recently-promoted deputy igp, always play fair. we should not have done what we did. tian chua, you are a naughty boy. you should not have charged at the police. you should have taken it lying down.
that’s the modus operandi.why give al jazeera ammos to shoot our beloved umno govt via international publications? why? it’s not like a peaceful march cannot generate news enough for the international media. peace sells. mundanness sell. action dont sell. your party “reformasi” chant did not help the cause. hindraf’s episode did not help the cause. those hindraf haters should just protest ala gandhi. they fucked up 308. the tsunami was from the silent majority. not an iota of influence or pent up anger from viewing those what u called police bullying and police violence.
tian chua, we expected you to be like nurul izzah or kak wan azizah. we dont need pittbulls. all we need is just thinkers. and commentators. and placard holders. we can always nego with umno. umno is definitely the nego-type.
we shold forget about what the deputy-igp proclaimed a few days before 709, something about “no more negotiations”. we should have held hands and hide back inside the tunnel when faced with those police fru’s. i watched the video. u should not have charged the police. that is not bravery. that is cowardice.
at that moment, you should be leading the people to read the constituion to the policemen. not charge at them. that is stupid. so what we get a bit of international coverage for bersih2.0? u have made our umno govt look bad, and that makes you a bad bad boy.
4RAKYAT
Marduk
July 28, 2011
Eagle, I agree with you. Anyone of the FRU could floor the unarmed TC. What agression when you’re trapped in the middle and tried to break free/escape? TC going to whack the FRU, using karate chops? LOL. Here we have arseholes somehow agreeing that if an unarmed man charge at an armed police officer, he deserves to be shot dead together the crowd behind him? What nonsense!
Pa Loh
July 28, 2011
I don’t understand why people say opposition parties have nothing to do with BERSIH2.0.. we are the victims of the unfair election systems!
Haris, won’t your MCLM place candidates in the next GE? registered or not, MCLM is now a political machine, so BERSIH is not your business too and please stay aside as well..
I think MCLM wants PKR seats especially the Federal Teritorry seats where people will vote anything but BN, so this could be one of your ploys to discredit PKR potential candidates..
Nedunchelian Vengu
July 28, 2011
TC ios trying to get cheap publicity….he is a fool!!!
Assamjawa
July 28, 2011
He is cheap alright!
niamafulat
July 28, 2011
Though at times foolhardy, I’m sure most of Haris’ readers will recognise Tian Chua for his consistent bravery – a virtue which armchair activists like MCLM and their fugitive leader sorely lack – and diligence as an MP.
Right or wrong, Tian Chua does not represent Bersih. Why nit pick Haris? Your beef with PKR needs to end.
How can you say “Confirmed” and condemn Tian Chua as a “Bad boy”? Have you checked with multiple sources or does one anonymously produced video satisfy you? You went to law school right?
You really have an axe to grind with PKR. MCLM can never come to the fore because it never suffered. PKR, though far from perfect, has suffered before and continues to suffer unwarranted, unscrupulous attacks from Umno. You sir, are no different from the enemy. Hypocrite!
Ng Swee Choon
July 28, 2011
Hi Haris,
Suggest you file an official complaint to PKR disciplinary committee to ask him to explain. He jeopardised all of us. It looks like Tian Chua is a bad boy, but he must be given a chance to explain.
Tian Chua, please tell us why you did it. NO DISCIPLINE. or else explain to your party.
RastamanJB
July 28, 2011
Bro Haris,
Not so long ago, TC was alleged to have attempted to bite a cop during some protest arrest.While Mike Tyson bit his opponents ear….I am still wondering what excatly TC was trying to bite off from the poor cop.And now he has provoked the cops to fire tear gas at innocent souls.
My wish…when he is in Parliament the next time…can he try to bite a small bit off the smelly Speaker’s dick ???
Cheers
RastamanJB
Dex Ng
July 28, 2011
It didn’t matter what TC did was right or wrong, wise or otherwise. The police would shoot tear gas at the rakyat at BERSIH 2.0 anyway. I don’t blame TC for doing that. He was responding to the fluid situation then. You know, a situational decision.
Breeze
July 28, 2011
Agreed. The police would have shot the tear gas anyway, but charging at them just give them a nice excuse to justify their otherwise unjustifiable action with video proof. The video alone can be used to taint the whole rally.
V Qiong
July 28, 2011
Tian Chua may not always be rational but he has courage and conviction which I don’t have.
From the video, I did not see anything wrong he has done. He was charging out and I believe, not to crash with the FRU with nothing in hand while the FRU were armed.
I gather that he sensed breaking out is safer than being trapped and charged at.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Puvan
July 28, 2011
mate, look up the word “provocation”..
4RAKYAT
August 2, 2011
yeah puvan, like when u’re cornered…. pushed to the brink….
left with no choice….. push comes to shove….
TAKE YOUR F-KING PICK.
4RAKYAT
Mujesh
July 28, 2011
Harris are you for real or what………….now is Tian worse than the PDRM…………..r u serious?? put your energy to better use……….
Puvan
July 28, 2011
i think you’re missing the point..please have a read on what Bersih is about..
lees.k
July 28, 2011
Bloody hell ! Tian Chua just armed with wearing a yellow T-shirt , running forward, you call that charging !
Which stupid guy in the world , in confrontation, would charge at opponents with just wearing a T-shirt !!
For all your stuidity, please reserve all your energy and blog space to condemn the the outright, unpordonabable police brutality , deliberate aiming the tear gas gun at the peaceful protestors !
lees.k
July 28, 2011
I withdraw the word “stupidity” in last para, replaced with “so-called impartiality”
Tracy Choi
July 28, 2011
Come onlah Haris, you as one of the steering committee don’t even dare to face the FRU,always hiding behind the crowd.Where was you then?
You know that policeman and FRU acted violently on the crowd and now you want to blame someone else for this.
I heard you’re eying to stand in those urban seats.Is that why you keep on attacking some MPs?
Puvan
July 28, 2011
really? was Bersih all about getting arrested? or sprayed at? i don’t think those of us who went there had any sadomasochistic intentions of getting hurt. Stop being silly and think a bit…this was a peaceful march. We were there to make up the numbers and we did. I don’t care what Haris intentions are but he has a point and TC should apologize.
Joe Chew
July 29, 2011
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnYPlTFwQfUY&h=xAQBg–cZ
watch this video and you will know Haris has wrongly accused friend of Bersih!
Don
July 28, 2011
The same names, the same game, the same lines of defence, Haris is sitting next to God, nah, he is God, only well, second to RPK of course, Haris is committed to reforms, Haris is the next wonderful thing, 2nd only to RPK, to happen to Malaysian politics, blah, blah blah. All bloody excuses to enable RPK, Haris, etc., to bring down the present leadership of PKR, especially Anwar, so that RPK and Haris can dictate to PKR. The trouble with these people is that they are sooo predictable and unrelenting in the attempts in wanting to bring Pakatan down.
I always said, many, many times, Haris, Zorro and RPK are arse holes, this proves it. Again, I have said several times, Haris, together with RPK are working with BN, and are trojan horses, now this is the proof.
Surely there are other ways to get Tian Chua answer for the video. For God’s sakes, it’s 40 seconds of film, and by watching 40 seconds of film, Haris has already come to a conclusion. And no matter how Tian Chua defends himself, Haris has made sure that he has got public opinion on his side. To ensure maximum effect, he has got his minnows and side kicks to comment negatively about Tian Chua.
Haris knows that there are more effective ways of getting Tian Chua explain himself. But doing it that way, will not achieve Haris’ and the puppet master RPK’s objectives and ulterior motives.
Tian Chua has given his life to fight for the benefit of others’, that have brought about terrible consequences upon himself. RPK has, countless hit out at Tian Chua, saying a certain website is linked to Tian Chua, and that, that website is bending backwards to accommodate Tian Chua, I knew worse things will follow, and I guessed that Haris will be one doing the damage to Tian Chua, at RPK’s bidding, and it seems that I was right.
All I have say is this: shame on you Haris. You formed MCLM with two members, you and RPK, one as chairman and other as President, to cause maximum damage to the reputations of Anwar, and now it seems to Tian Chua. You came into Bersih, now we know, as a trojan horse, and it would also seem that you have achieved your purpose, but the game is not over yet. You will get what is due to you.
Haslinah Yacob is the the first to see through your veil. Others’ will follow. I am eager to see the day when someone in the UK spits on RPK’s face and calls him a coward. And you Haris, because you allowed yourself to be used, your turn will come too.
To all those who will write to defend Haris, I do respect your decision to do so. Just argue on the points that I have raised, don’t be cowards like RPK and Haris and become comment snipers.
Enough said.
Puvan
July 28, 2011
great work! i think people like tian chua spend too much time defying the authorities n forget that the internet is a double edge sword…a simple public apology will result in forgiveness and respect..and possibly a prison sentence..but one has to take responsibility for his actions..
wandererAUS
July 28, 2011
Are we all trying to find a new “Gandhi”?…to be disciplined in company of low beings in blue…it is a tough call. Nevertheless, we still should give these UMNO dogs the maximum tolerance….let us not criticize one of our own and those in the Third Force, do not play judge!
Kolomi
July 28, 2011
Why is your story similar to that of the Police?
Crowd at Sentral kettled. You either move back or front. Trying to push forward is normal tactic in this situation.
To suggest Tian Chua was ‘bad’, that running to the front is an act of provocation is shallow. Was Tian Chua and the frontliners armed? Did they shout out, come shoot at us?
Now to hv you parrot what the police are propagating brings to question which side are you on?
What kind of rally leader are you?
Breeze
July 28, 2011
Usual PKR antic trying to steal the limelight. PKR’s presence in Bersih has tainted the struggle. They have lost the right to ask for fair election when their own party election needs to be bersih-ed.
The cop biter was trying to impress his boss by being gungho. Even though we know the cops were going to fire the tear gas anyway, it’s still stupid to give them an excuse to justify their action.
Don
July 28, 2011
Haris, your law practice is not doing so well is it? And so you need to go to Najib with a begging bowl in your hand? Of all people, you want to attack and wallop Tian Chua? I do hope that, after this, you never live to fight another war for Najib and fade away into obscurity. And I do hope that you will take your friend in arms and fellow coward RPK along.
Tian Chua’s CV, his guts, his unwavering principles, his “fight till the end” attitude, his unwavering support for the down trodden, etc. etc. etc, is something everyone wants to have on their resumes’. You are a bloody nobody, compared to Tian Chua. Tian Chua is here fighting for us, not like your friend RPK, who has run away to the UK, hiding under the skirt of some british law that gives him the right to live in the UK.
Name me one ‘freedom fighter’ that fights from overseas? Only bloody cowards do that.
You have direct access to Tian Chua, you could have called him and asked him for his views, before you went public with this 40 second video, if you are not satisfied with his explaination. Tian Chua’s press statement explains it all. He would have explained the same to you, had you asked him. But nah, you preferred to go public with that video. That is why I say that you are a scum bag.
You seem to speak for Ambiga, did she appoint you as her spokesperson? I am sure not.
if you wanted money, we understand that, you could have asked us, and I am sure we would have done something for you. But you choose to prostitute yourself this way. For whom? For RPK? RPK will screw everyone that doesn’t wish him good morning in 12 languages, everyday. RPK belongs to the “gutless” category. No one pays any attention to him and so he gets people like you, to do the fighting for him, and you nincompoop fell for it. You think that when you are down and when you have no friends, RPK will talk to you? He wouldn’t even take your legal advice in Bangkok, and only Marina’s threat of taking the next flight to the UK, put fear into him. He has no regard or respect for your advice. You should severed your links with him then, but you couldn’t because you are too weak a person. And you think that you are in Tian Chua’s league? Not in a million years’ Sir. You are a cheap skate and you and RPK, who lives on well wishers’ money, will always be “trying to make it” but never will.
Sheesh Haris, you are not even sure if you are a hindu, christian or a muslim.
Need I say more? I think not.
Adam
July 29, 2011
Don,
Although I agee with a couple of your points, you have gone way beyond decency in your personal attack on Haris. Calling people scum bag and questioning their religion should not be done because it reflects on you as well.
Only time will tell whether Haris has any other ulterior motives like some of the turncoat bloggers. Until then, please refrain from such personal attacks.
Don
July 29, 2011
Bullshit Adam, Haris got personal with Tian Chua and that is enough for me to get personal with him. You want to extend decency to an arse hole who doesn’t extend decency to someone else, go fly a kite I say.
Time!!! You don’t need more time, it’s there now, staring in your face.
Wake up Adam
Adam
July 31, 2011
Don,
I would not be too quick yet to crucify Haris unlike people like rocky and tony who have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
If Tian Chua were to walk slowly along the side before tear gas was fired instead of running, we would not have a problem. If the count-down were done by the police, we would also not fault TC for bolting.
As they say, do not jump the gun. Be patient. If Haris has gone to the other side, it will surely show soon. This is not it yet.
syockit
July 28, 2011
Kolomi,
If you don’t have a common sense on how a police squad will react to a charging group of protestors, you shouldn’t have been in charge of leading the rally. Haris was there, and he was correct. He did all his best to stop the crowd from going overboard.
Benhur
July 28, 2011
Over reacted to the edited video presented by the authourities.
I see nothing wrong for those in front to rush out. The FRU were ready to shoot.
There is nothing to show that they were going for the FRU who were armed.
This posting is simply an over reaction by Harris.
sinniahgopalniah
July 29, 2011
Watch the clip again. He rushed but he did not rush head on, he and the other were rushing down more closer to the side wall. I suppose they must have tried to get away along the side and avoid running head on, Knowing Tian Chua, he would make it dramatic by screaming 1,2,3. Idid walk pass that way about 1.30 pm and walked along the covered side. I suppose TC and group was trying to flee the FRU cordon by going down the side
Ian
July 29, 2011
Haris,
What’s with you and PKR? You seem to be very quick to fire your salvos at them whenever opportunities present themselves to you. Ever heard of a private reprimand? Ever thought of calling Tian Chua to ask him nicely about what he did and advise him to not do it again? Do you teach your son by telling the whole world that he did wrong on the internet?
You might be in BERSIH’s steering committee, but you are nowhere near Ambiga in terms of respecting the people who risked being beaten up by police officers that day. Personally if you ask me, Ambiga would’ve handled it way better than you.
What TC did isn’t right. What you are doing isn’t right either.
No one is perfect, didn’t anybody tell you that?
marduk
July 29, 2011
Well said.
Sthiru
July 29, 2011
Wow… I am in shock not for what Tian Chua action, a bravery action but rather reading some of the postings. I never thought Malaysia has so many cowards and morons. I am so ashamed to stand tall next to these morons as a Malaysian. Our basic right to assemble as a democratic country has been challenged by this police state umno goverment. When a peaceful demonstration been blocked with police force, hey morons question for you, what do you do? Just sit there and fly kite…. typical umno morons. Please do me a favour, take a sip of a rat poison. Malaysia will be better without you morons….
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed
July 29, 2011
Judging by the responses here chastising Haris for his *simple* request of asking Tian Chua to explain his silly action, I can’t help but deduce PKR’s real intention of participating in Bersih 2.0.
It’s got nothing to do with Bersih’s demands per se but simply to create havoc and bringing down thousands of innocent supporters with them.
Some here resorted to personal attacks against Haris, of which can only mean either two things:
(a) They couldn’t find any solid points to attack the arguments instead of the arguer, or
(b) There’s a dangerous emotional baggage carried by the attackers, realizing that their beliefs might be flawed after all
I stand my ground that politicians would only screw things up, especially on a noble cause such as Bersih’s. Lest they (especially Tian Chua) forget, it is WE, the Rakyat who put them where they are now. So, they better behave!
Tian Chua is no ma’asum. Don’t treat him as one
Pa Loh
July 29, 2011
Haris is a politician too!
Zahid Mohamad
July 29, 2011
The response by the police is still disproportionate. They could have easily arrested the people who charged instead of firing tear gas directly into the crowd.
Shawn
July 29, 2011
Haris….when look at to your comments I think you don’t have anything better to do. As a leader you should about something better and bigger. I saw the video and I don’t see anything that show Tian was a bad boy. He just show some courage to break the FRU blockage because they have to do that to be a free Malaysian. They are Malaysian with tiger hearts.
Don
July 29, 2011
Asrul Muzaffar Mohammed,
Tian Chua may not be what you say he isn’t, but to most of us right thinking Malaysians, he has stood by us, fighting the authorities for each and every mistake they made, against us, not wanting to be even married, he didn’t run away like RPK or hide under the skirt of RPK like Haris.
Haris is one confused adult, and recently become very big headed because of his involvement in bersih. He seemed to have spoken on behalf of bersih, but I don’t see anyone from Bersih coming out with a statement that they agree with with Haris action or his views on Tian Chua.
Haris is one one confused individual. He says his mother married a muslim, served his father, who is a muslim, lived a christian and died a christian, whatever that means. He is not even sure of his bloody f__king roots. He is confused about religion.
He is one of two leading members of MCLM, an almost defunct outfit, primarily set up to serve Haris’ and RPK narrow interests. Haris, prepare your CV or resume, forget your law degree, just your social, then put it beside Tian Chua’s CV or resume, and see where you stand, You will not be even fit to smell Tian Chua’s fart. And you want to judge this man Tian Chua.
Look at the comments that appear here, they are all of the same mould, the same people, the same unjustified, emotional outbursts of support, all rubbish I say.
As the malays would say, “hei, malu lah sikit”.
I am very disgusted with Haris and if he was in front of me, I would tell him off in no uncertain terms.
Adam
July 29, 2011
Having viewed the short edited video and that of the one shown by Deep above, I think that Tian Chua and a few others were not charging at the FRU but trying to sneak out by the side. Of course, they should not have run but walked slowly.
We have to eastablish if they ran before or after the tear gas were fired. If the tear gas had been fired already then, anyone would be running.
Leithaisor
July 29, 2011
I have already opined before that Tian Chua was foolish where the Sentral incident is concerned.
But I would NOT be so quick to say that he is after cheap publicity.
From the days of Reformasi, and even before that when he was a student is Australia from what I heard, Tian Chua had been at the forefront of activism against abuses of the people’s rights.
Yes, he rapidly earned a big reputation from the publicity, and some may even say that the publicity helped him to win the Batu constituency in March 2008.
Both would be fair comments, but they are also his fair due. He earned the reputation with pain and grave threat to his personal wellbeing, not with juicy contracts as incentives, or huge sums of the rakyat’s money dangled in exschange for votes “you help me, I help you” style. We cannot deny him his due.
But as an elected MP and now senior PKR leader, he has to learn to rise to that level of responsibility. Including abiding by the non-provocative approach adopted by the BERSIH 2.0 leaders while participating in the event as a participant (not leader).
No doubt, perhaps even statesmen like Nelson Mandela were likely to have been Tian Chua-like in their firebrand days of youth, but look at how thay matured into true statesmen.
While I still salute Tian Chua for his continued bravery and dedication, I hope he will not be as foolish as he had been at Sentral.
Yes, the police had blocked the primary planned route from Sentral to Merdeka Stadium.
Yes, they were also blocked at the sencondar route outside the “tunnel” leading to Brickfields.
But no teargas had been fired at the large massed group of marchers until Tian Chua took it upon himself to charge the FRU, which then responsed with multiple rounds of teargas.
Foolish move.
Joe Chew
July 29, 2011
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnYPlTFwQfUY&h=xAQBg–cZ
Haris was asking video from another angle, video above will proof that Haris had wrongly accused Tian Chua.
Teoh Ching Siang 張振祥
July 29, 2011
like that also can consider charge? to me it looks more like “siam”… seems like they were running away from something in the tunnel
sibehtulan
July 29, 2011
This is just one of many examples of Haris/RPK attempts to undermine PKR so they can justify MCLM.
Haris/RPK/Soh/Zaid gang could have just asked TC to explain his actions.
Instead, they choose to judge by using words such as “Confirmed”, “Bad”, “Boy (wtf?)”, “disrespected” etc. to condemn TC and PKR.
Low blow by MCLM spiritual leaders. Good luck to Malik, Sreekanth and that dentist.
Niamafulat: Because of 3rd force, we need 4th force to hawk over them. Where does it end?
Redhuan D. Oon
July 29, 2011
Some think that raw video does not lie. Well it does, because it blocks away the bigger context not just in point of view which is limited compared of been there and seeing 360 degrees (i know cos i take pics of my travels all the time and it really capture 10% of what i saw or felt). Secondly, the context of time is lost or cut off. Is this what TC did for the whole rally? Just this 5 seconds (that we see him calling for a run for it and fled back) defined his whole agenda, character and spirit? What about the 5 seconds before? Or still before? What about the whole few hours? I believe he was in his normal behaviour. That tunnel incident is a scary one. They must have discussed among themselves and then collectively decided at that location. Otherwise no one will be following him. And why is he saying “1, 2, 3” if it was not something that he knows others are waiting for him to say it and indicate a collective action.
Haris… i got a strange feeling about this. When in doubt, its better to give the benefit to the one who deserves it most – those who marched for reform.
Ben Nordin
July 29, 2011
I think the video did not show the whole story. It looks to me like the group was in a tight corner and closed in by the police. Perhaps what was thought as running towards the police were in reality running away from the tight spot they were in to avoid the gas canisters the police were shooting towards the end of the video?
splim
July 29, 2011
Haris,
I’ve lost a lot of respect for you. Maybe what Tian Chua did was not right. But did you have to sensationalize it? Even Tian Chua and gang ( not more than 10 ppl from what I can see) did charged at the police w/o any weapons, I’m sure the police were more than able to handle them w/o firing tear gas directly at the crowd. You are quick to judge and condemn w/o looking at the whole picture.
Tigermania
July 29, 2011
Haris,
It appears altruism doesn’t always pay. There will always be rabid supporters who will only see things through the Sentral tunnel.
Keep up the fight! Sticks and stones bro, sticks and stones…
wolverine
July 29, 2011
having followed news, updates, jottings, etc, for sometime …
you have a measure of respect for what you have done/tried to do, haris.
however, your judgemental title/heading – regardless of tian chua’s style/personality – betrays your lack of verification/substantiation in this instance. unintentional?
niamafulat and Don have raised pertinent points (personals aside)that require you to answer/rebut.
be a man and an accountable leader
Don
July 29, 2011
It takes a man to say that he may be wrong, and that perhaps an apology is in order. However, when Haris’ takes instructions from that turncoat RPK, he can’t on his own say he is sorry, unless and untill RPK says so. I note that no one in bersih have come out to support Haris and his steam rolling of Tian Chua.
Haris, you are just an opportunist and you have, yet again, failed in your attempts to bring down PKR, this time particularly Tian Chua. You are indeed a failure, of the worst kind. A has been. A person prostituting yourself for self gain and self glory. A person who, like RPK, will do anything for some cash. You and RPK have had a bad upbringing, not worthy of being called human. I assure you, just like on this thread,
https://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/when-good-people-petrified-swallow-poison/#comments I will hit you each and every time you go out of line. I have nothing personal against you, just two things, your complicity with RPK and your lack of principles. Just because you defended Ayah Pin, doesn’t make you a hero. You are not in the same leaque or mould as Tian Chua, don’t even try, you don’t have what it takes to become him, compassion, for one, sincerity for another, and most of all, you don’t have genuine for people, just self serving interest. Sheesh, for God sakes, you can’t even speak properly and are not all eloquent. Just a kampung boy trying to act big.
Apologise and go forward, or stay where you are now and rot.
Pity Don
July 31, 2011
The more revolting and vile BN became towards bersih..the more people multiplied in condemning BN and supporting Bersih..so carry on being vile Don, ..(I fully expect a venomous reply from you anyway)
The FRU probably would have fired at the tunnel without basis ..but now thanks to TC ,we will never know.
Redhuan D. Oon
July 30, 2011
Perhaps this is RPK’s way to sensationalise TC and thus becomes a legend? Think about it. I still have faith in RPK. I mean, in people who ran away from oppression. Or trying to run..
Don
July 30, 2011
Ah Redhuan, even you acknowledge that RPK is behind Haris, and that is very telling Sir. By the way, you don’t sensationalise someone negatively, so that you can make him a legend.
To me, Haris is a goner after this. No one, not even the clerk in the bersih office, let alone the leaders, have said anything in even mildly support Haris. and that is very telling too. Gosh Haris, one can’t even look at you, when you talk, as you don’t even have a pleasant face. As I said, you are just a kampung boy, fit only to stay in the estates, and look after the cows and goats there, trying to act like you are a hero.
You want take on TC, it’s like you playing badminton with Datuk Lee Chong Wei, and thinking that you can win, in fact he will win, even if he played with the racket between his teeth.
Small boy.
Jordan Williams
July 31, 2011
Hey Don, Grow up man and show some maturity in your responses. Even if you disagree with Haris views, the matured, intelligent thing to do is to proffer your points on why you disagree. You do not indulge in personal attacks and make derogatory comments about the writer, which has no basis.
Freedom of expression means expressing opinions in a cogent, sensible manner. If you can’t do that then spare the rest of us your diatribes. All you succeed in doing is displaying your shallow mindedness.
LSP
July 30, 2011
Even if TC is a bad boy, I will still give him my full support. Why? To deal with this mad government we really need bad boy. Remember, BN has its bad boys too and BN loves them. Besides TC is the only person in PKR who can chew numbers and see the story behind the numbers. In any “war”, mistakes bound to happen and the important thing is how do we manage the mistakes committed by our soldiers without destroying the spirit of your team. In this regards, I feel HI is wrong in highlighting this matter.
Thus, if I have to vote between TC and HI, my vote will go to TC. Simply because I do not see what can HI contribute to bring down the corrupted BN, beside being a person who is trying to take advantage of two fighting elephants and trying to act as good judge.
Don
July 31, 2011
The silence from Haris is too loud and telling. Suddenly that brave man has woken up. No one from bersih even made a whisper, to support him. Poor guy, I am sure he must feel lonely. That is what happens when you act and think stupidly.
Hope this is lesson for you.
Jordan Williams
July 31, 2011
All we can discern from this video is that Tian ran towards the police cordon. Whether it was to charge at the police, confront the police, break the cordon so as to get away or to try and squeeze through the cordon on the side, we do not know. The video is inconclusive in that regard and nobody has reported what those who followed him had to say about why they followed him. Thus I don’t think we can draw any conclusions based purely on the video.
Having said that, isn’t this really a non issue. Aren’t we missing the forest for the trees. The fact that the police acted aggressively and with unwarranted high handedness is plain to see at all the different locations including the tunnel where members of the steering committee were bombarded from both sides. The bottom line is the people were illegally deprived of their constitutional right to peaceably assemble by the police who used physical force to illegally clamp down on citizens rights. If the people had not been accosted by the police at other sites and this was the only place where it happened then the question of who started what might becomes relevant. Under the circumstances, why are we harping on this. In the wider context the police were legally and morally wrong in what they did. Let’s not detract from that and consume ourselves with some incidental minor issue. I really don’t get where you’re going with this Sam. What is the point.
Don
July 31, 2011
Jordan Williams,
It’s arse holes like you that are a disgrace to the description, intelligent. You think your hero Haris gave Tian Chua a chance to explain? Do you think that he should have? He will get exactly what he gave others’, nothing less, nothing more.
You want to answer to my comments, please do so intelligently and with arguments of your own, otherwise go and fornicate the cows in your hometown. You are, I suspect, only good for that.
Loyalty
August 2, 2011
Haris,
Let say you are right (Just trying to be as gullible as you sir). Now what have you prove? Other than you are right. You get an apology from your own comrade? TC is wrong than so what. You think Malaysia suddenly grow up just like you? What’s the matter with you.
No one thing you are wrong and just like no one thing TC is wrong either. BUT WHO THE F. CARE.
Haris the 3rd force is in such a bad shape because of people like you. Your handpick MP candidates and dropouts does not even know the meaning of the 3rd force. Why focus on others when you are not doing any better.
Seriously, I believe you mean well but your logic, judgment and strategy are pretty bad.
Let me give you show you another scenario and or different person.
1) Let say Mohamed Sabu (PAS DP) is caught doing exactly what TC have done, charging at the officer???. Would you said anything?
2) And let say TC is riding the scooter instead of Moh Sabu and was ramp by the polis truck. I believe you would probably think TC do it on purpose for publicity.
Haris. stop pouring alcohol on to fire. It’s not going to help a bit.
sharifah arnina
May 8, 2012
Tian Chua ran while looking behind , fearing he might be the only one charging towards the blockade. this could have been be really funneh if the mobs did not go along with him .