A commentator, either at your blog or here in mine ( or was it at both? ) suggested that both of us have got bigger battles to fight and that we should try to find a way to move on ( or something like that ).
I’m going to try to do just that with this post.
A lie, as I understand it, is, firstly, a statement that is factually untrue and, secondly and, in my view, more importantly, the truth of which the maker has absolutely no belief in.
The second part, in my view, separates the erroneous or reckless statement, from the outright lie.
I note from our two most recent phone conversations and your ‘Haris Ibrahim’s lie’ post that you take umbrage only to my narration of the alleged meeting in La Bodega as a fact.
It is with regard to my statement that this meeting took place that you say I lied.
In my ‘Right of reply’ post, I had disclosed my basis for this statement.Information from one “whose integrity and credibility I have come to greatly respect”.
In your post under reply, you had said that you had expected me to do my homework, to grill and cross-examine my informant.
Truth be told, Rocky, I did.
And that’s what left me with the predicament that I spoke of in our second phone conversation last week and that you have very graciously alluded to in your post.
The predicament?
Who to believe? You or my informant?
Confronted with this predicament, I resolved to narrate both your assertion that no such meeting took place and the insistence of my informant to the contrary in the ‘Right to reply’ post.
You said in your post that you expected more of me.
I am sorry if you feel I have fallen short of your expectations.
Truly, Rocky, had this information come to me this time last year, from the very same person, I would have had great difficulty believing the same. I would have taken time out to meet you at the NPC to get your take.
But that was then, I guess, and much water has passed under the bridge since.
Looking back, I get the sense that before 8th March, last year, the wind of change that hit us was of such magnitude that many of us could not discern the subtle crosswinds that were permeating through blogosphere even then.
Many have wisened up to this now.
You have rightly said that that onus lies with me to prove that the alleged meeting took place.
You have asked that I offer proof of the same beyond that of the words of one “whose integrity and credibility I have come to greatly respect”.
I cannot. That is all I have.
If I have erred in resolving my predicament referred to above by inclining towards my informant’s version rather than yours, I proffer my sincerest apologies.
The People's Parliament 
Orga
January 30, 2009
What the hell,
where’s the statutory declaration? How in the world did your informer knew they were discussing about toppling Pak Lah? Was Nuraina there? Was even Mukhriz there? So it’s just gossips then? Who is Khairuddin?
Apa ni… Bosan Gila…
So did your informer told you they were discussin about toppling pak lah and work for Najib or was that your conclusion.
Aiyooo ini lah dia janganlah ikut sangat hearsay.
matt
January 30, 2009
Well done bro at least you said sorry.
delcapo
January 30, 2009
good reply….
bottom line is… Haris didn’t lie.
It’s a case of whom he should believe – rocky or the informant?
Admiral Tojo
January 30, 2009
Haris,
I too trust your informer. Since Rocky is still preoccupied with spinning for UMNO we should just let him be. We have bigger Barisan Rakyat issues to pursue and address. I suppose in this trying economic times, Rocky needs to cari makan.
Peace
nam phone
January 30, 2009
Dear haris
you are the best.
cresma
January 30, 2009
Sorry HAris… u said this in that original post of yours.. very malicious indeed. Mukhriz was proven not there in the first place. And whats worse, all your readers believed the lie you told –
U said back then –
“Rocky would have us believe that many treat what Hadi Awang had to say as some kind of a joke, although Rocky himself takes the fallout from the KT election and its adverse impact on Najib seriously.
Very seriously.
So seriously that nothing must be left to chance.
After all, didn’t someone say that politics is about perception?
And perception, if carefully managed, may well disguise the truth, no?
And none are better placed to manage perception than the media, both mainstream and online.
That truth being that the loss of KT could very reasonably be read as a rejection of Najib as PM.
Yesterday, at about 3pm, a meeting to manage perception took place at La Bodega in Bangsar.
Present at the meeting were Mukhriz, JJ, a person by the name of Khairuddin, Rocky and Nuraina.
Agenda : pin the loss of KT on Pak Lah. Deflect any dirt arising from the KT loss away from Najib. Got to make sure Pak Lah goes in March. Kill any idea that he or anyone else might have to keep Pak Lah on as PM.
Rocky asked in his post : ‘How far is Pakatan Rakyat willing to go to ensure that Abdullah remains as Prime Minister after March this year?’”
Well, now we know that you guys can go very far indeed just for the sake of ruining our country to the ground so that Anwar will become PM… bah!
cresma
January 30, 2009
Dear Matt.,,
where in hell did HAris said sorry for telling a lie???
Where?
Oh you mean this? – I am sorry if you feel I have fallen short of your expectations.
That was not an apology… that was sarcasm… get real ppl…
farida
January 30, 2009
Haris, what you have written is gracious. You have chosen to move on and I am glad.
Only 3 parties know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 1) Your informant; 2) Rocky; 3) God. (Never mind those others in the picture)
One person is lying and definitely it is not God. So that leaves either Rocky or your informant. Between the two, one is sure unafraid of his Maker.
There will continue to be a question mark over Rocky, not you. Unless time reveals more.
Refusing to divulge the identity of your informant is integrity.
In the end, it is left to the reader to evaluate and draw conclusions, good or bad.
We know you, Haris, and so we know all this never stemmed from a desire for mischief but from a desire to see truth and justice prevail.
Keep safe.
I hope Rocky remembers that he casually alluded in an interview that you might be sponsored by Anwar.
LChuah
January 30, 2009
The bottom line is who’s more trustworthy. From his track record as a blogger and activist, I think most Malaysians, myself included, will pick Haris.
See you all at the vigils next week: am having my reunion with my late brother’s children this weekend in Perak (he passed away a few months ago at age 75).
Korean
January 30, 2009
Dear Haris,
I’m not sure what was the price of Rocky’s soul but it’s best to ignore him. Except for his last article, I have actually stopped going to his blog for quite some time now. It’s no different than MSM.
Haris, May God bless you and the work you are doing.
nasilemakpanas
January 30, 2009
After reading the source posts on this issue between Rocky and Haris, it seems to me that the real issue is not just whether the meeting at La Bodega took place or not or who were the exact persons or number of persons there.
I think the issue that raised the ire of Rocky is more about being associated with scandalous and corrupt leaders in waiting (and supporters) whom a large majority of Malaysians would not hesitate to pee on their glossy election campaign posters and those of their close relations with stiff hairdos.
So Rocky, just tell us lah. Do you support Najib as the next PM of Malaysia. Simple solution. Or are you worried that many in the blogosphere and Malaysia will think you are a cop out if you said you fully support Najib to be PM.
No need to argue about whether there was a meeting in Bangsar La Bodega, or how big and transparent the place is and that there is no control on anyone just dropping by at your table etc etc.
Like me I will say Najib is the last person I want to be PM of Malaysia because he has not refuted convincingly (so far mere bare personal denials) all the shit he is accused of which I don’t have to repeat since many blogs/newsportals have documented them. I will be convinced when he takes all his accusers to court personally and sue the pants of them like the respected Lee Kuan Yew and gets a favourable judgement.
How about you Rocky. Can you say it like me.
Just say lah.
Choco
January 30, 2009
Uncle Haris,
I deeply thank you for this latest posting. You have risen to the cause and proven us all proud. I think even Rocky would be proud of this.
It’s nice to see that you’ve made an effort to get back on the good side of Rocky. No burning bridges, no baseless claims. That’s more than I can say for another of our mutual friends.
Ah well, one problem at a time, eh?
The Observer
January 30, 2009
Haris, you have said a lot yet said nothing.
Your informants in the past have proven to be wrong.
The difference now is that you are on Pakatan’s side and Rocky on BN ( or so it is perceived).
So, it is not about the truth. If the informant is a Pakatan supporter you are inclined to believe him. Despite Rocky saying one of the person’s was not there and Nuraina has also said she was not there.
So, now three people are lying but your informant is telling the truth?
If you were not a lawyer, I could accept your flawed logic.
Sorry Haris, you lost me on this one. It shows a side of you that is deeply anti anything BN that even in the face of Rocky’s strong ‘case’ you are swayed by your own prejudice.
This is dangerous. Because you have taken a step away from civil society and stepped into the world of politics- where there is no room for truth.
Malaysia needs good people in civil society and you were one of them, a proud anak bangsa Malaysia.
I cannot trust the BN and cannot yet trust Pakatan. At least continue to let me trust you.
Please reflect on things calmly.
Peace.
temenggong
January 30, 2009
Yes, no point pursueing a tiff that ultimately relies on personal testimonies. We have better things to do. At least Rocky admits he was in LaBodega with JJ. Now what would anyone discuss with JJ other than Umno/Najib’s advancement? Groping? Cigars?
matkilat
January 30, 2009
Dear Haris,
Do not be swayed by the negative comments on either yours or Rocky’s blogs.
DID the meeting take place? I do not know. I doubt you do for sure. And I am quite doubtful anyone can provide concrete evidence either confirming or denying it.
But as a lawyer would know, even if there is no, “smoking gun” per se, there is what is known as “circumstantial evidence”.
And such evidence would be Rocky’s own blog postings of late.
I think one need only read back the last 3 months and Rocky’s opinions (that he spins as “news”) to see the truth.
Maybe THIS meeting did not explicitly take place.
And yet
I am very sure something similar along the lines did.
Paul Warren
January 30, 2009
Haris
This is a predicament indeed.
That you should choose your informant over Rocky must have been a hard decision to make. But make you did.
What you wrote was reporting what your informant told you. No making up stories there.
On the matter of the agenda though…how accurate is that? Was your informant party to the conversation? Or was he/she within earshot? Or was it just conjecture? But it was written in a factual form though.
Nuraina has denied being part of this meeting.
So I presume this is not the end of it. Not yet anyway, as much as I would rather that it be the end.
JJ
January 30, 2009
What’s the big issue with liars. Everyone in the world are liars. Who has never lied in his life time. The worst people in this world are not liars but hypocrites. Hypocrites are the first to condemn and curse others for lying when they themselves are no better. They cannot tolerate weaknesses/mistakes of others when they themselves make bigger mistakes. They will torture and murder people for committing crimes yet they themselves are the people committing murders. Rocky wants us to believe he has never lied by calling you a liar. He’s just as bad as his hypocrite sponsor TDM
Paul
January 30, 2009
Harris
You ungrateful ******* lawyer. Got your fame by volunteering probono service as Rocky Bru’s lawyer, now you want to outsmart him?
Apology is not enough! Its a lawyer’s trick MANIPULATING THE INTEGRITY OF THE SACRED TERM “APOLOGISE” . What you actually said is ” I apologize …(for believeing and still believing my informant)_ you ******* lawyer trying to hide those unwritten words. Damn you, pls dont play with words and treat us bloggers as fools. Best for you to retract your allegation and apologize unconditionally. Failing which you should leave the blogsphere forever in disgrace. BY THE WAY, IT WOULD BE HONORABLE IF YOU WITHDRAW AS ROCKYBRU’S DEFENSE LAWYER SINCE IT IS VERY CLEAR TO US THAT YOU NO LONGER BELIEVE IN YOUR CLIENT. YOU LIAR.
bigd_kundasang
January 30, 2009
I was intrigued more by the message and signal of the effort to make sure that Najib gets there, in March. And the people behind the scene.
There was already this perception and understanding that Najib is recruiting for the NST.
And the obvious choice of something big for someone in the NST, also in March.
Seems that friends of friends are being sounded for this recruitment exercise in March. Truth be told…. I was also sounded.
koolgeek
January 30, 2009
i think this is a small matter.
what is more important is, Rocky is writing to oust Badawi (using other people’s words that is), as apparent from his piece about Hadi wanting Badawi to stay on.
i think this message is enough. whether mukhriz met, called, faxed or emailed him, lets put a stop to this now.
haris already put it clearly that it was information from a source and had given Rocky his right to reply. now stop fighting like a kid over such matter.
we have more horrible thing coming up in March – Najib-Rosmah and the return of Mahathirism!
eechia
January 30, 2009
Thank you, Sir. 🙂
I know for a fact that you’re neither for Pakatan nor BN, but only for the Rakyat, whatever that’s in the best interest of the people.
..and for all that you’ve done for the anak-anak Bangsa Malaysia, I’ll stand by you…
🙂
Ganesan
January 30, 2009
Sometimes when we do lots of good things, something like this comes along to upset us all. We as a nation is in turmoil, beleive me day in day out after the March 8, we marched away from lots of things and yet to settled down as one nation with one vision.Leaders are lost and do not know how to sail the boat in a shoppy sea. We do have leadership crisis and a change would come to settle once and for all. Take heart you have sincerely done your best to bring sembelance of sanity in a nation shrouded with racial bigotry. Thank you.
empanggup
January 30, 2009
I don’t side neither Rocky nor Harris but from what I have read especially Nuraina’s testimony that she wasn’t there, the belief that Mukhriz wasn’t there either, the denial of Rocky himself, all these lead to serious doubt on the credibility of “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris) have come to greatly respect”.
Harris wrote: “Present at the meeting were Mukhriz, JJ, a person by the name of Khairuddin, Rocky and Nuraina.”
We have to realise that if one of the persons mentioned wasn’t there, then that statement by Harris is incorrect.
Accusing people as “spin doctors” is rather a serious accusation. But telling or re-telling something incorrect especially accusing people (of something) is very much the same as lying. Therefore in this context Harris is believed to be lying unless Nuraina or Mukhriz are the ones who are lying.
Harris, are you also conveniently pushing the responsibility of “lying or telling the truth” to your so called “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris) have come to greatly respect”?!
We don’t know who this person is. The credibility of this person is therefore very much suspected and can even be considered Zero to us. What if he is a habitual liar for all we know. Therefore whatever credibility of telling the truth has to be shouldered by you yourself Harris. By pushing your responsibility of telling the truth to “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris) have come to greatly respect” would clearly diminish your own credibility. Furthermore your balancing acts in going around your predicament and your sole discretion of placing absolute trust to your “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris) have come to greatly respect” is not impressive at all.
It remains words against words. The words of “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris) have come to greatly respect” AGAINST Rocky, Nuraina, Muhkriz, etc.
Some of them may be telling the truth but I would incline not to believe “whose integrity and credibility I (Harris)have come to greatly respect” since there is no way he could have known what was discussed if at all the meeting did take place. I tend to believe that there is no such meeting and that make fabricating “lies” much easier. You could even lie that your have supersonic eyes and ears!!
backstreetgluttons
January 30, 2009
It might not have been precisely/explicitly described or communicated by you as such in your finger-pointing Xpo-se posting , but your message is undoubtedly clear enough. That there was indeed a such a meeting & a scheme of this nature though to prove it is impossible nor relevant being a 3rd party information. It has to be seen in the context of the latest political manouvers and twists in the local circuit wherein only an experienced marshall with access to classified information would know whats coming next !
keep it up !
Argus Eye
January 30, 2009
I posted the comment below on Rocky’s blog yesterday, after reading his post
“Argus Eye said…
Bro, it is tough for us readers to determine who is right, and who is wrong. We can only speculate.
You have alot of support in your blog. And your readers regard you highly for their own reasons.
Similarly, Haris has got his own group of people inclined towards him. Im one of them. My reasoning is that Haris has always been very consistent with his struggle and course, and we respect that.
I have nothing personal against you, but you have to admit that your writings took a sudden turn at the point when Najib was making his way into the premiership. That raised many eyebrows. Not just mine.
You often say that you remain neutral and do not take sides, but why is it that you pick on PR more often now, all of a sudden?
Sorry, but the inconsistency has created waves of doubts.
Im with Haris on this.”
Today, after reading what Haris has to say, my take on what I said yesterday remains solid, if not more.
God bless, Haris.
ruzaimiramza
January 30, 2009
haris,
maybe u can defeat many of us here in this blog world when it comes to debating, you are a lawyer afterall, a great one.
maybe it’s better not to publish any unconfirmed facts,
nasilemakpanas
January 30, 2009
Haris,
I think enough has been said. In the end you shall know them by their fruits. As a day in politics is a long time, I think the fruits will not take long to be seen and witnessed.
Let’s move on as we Anak Bangsa Malaysia have bigger issues to resolve and make Malaysia a better place for the rakyat.
I for one will not comment anymore on this issue.
Nasi lemak sudah sejuk on this issue.
Eric
January 30, 2009
Now let us get back to reality. While the meeting may have happened or not, the actual plan Haris alluded to was implemented.
Nuraina and Rocky published a piece from their good and rabid proMukhriz/UMNO friend Demi Negara, which, whilst pointing out local issues as a key decision-factor, pins the defeat on AAB. Please notice they never wrote the piece themselves, they just endorsed it. It is practical in case they want to deny later (“not my idea, I just quoted this guy”, a bit like “I am not racist, but…”).
The future will say who was right on the substance, if Rocky and Nuraina get back their plush positions in MSM if Najib becomes PM. We’ll then know who was cari makan in this episode.
Eventually, two things are just bothering me here. First, relying on anonymous informants is akeen to hearsay or gossip, Haris please do not fall into this trap again. Second, for Rocky and Nuraina, the neutral pretence is becoming harder and harder to keep with a straight face due to their increasingly obvious proUMNO campaigning. Please come off it and admit your stand. The only wrong thing in being a partisan blogger is to hide it.
Richard Loh
January 30, 2009
What happen to the great defender of free speech. You see, one can tolerate any lies about others but when he himself got stung by lies about him, he will jump up and down crying fowl.
rocky, the great defender of freedom of speech by utusan, even though its a lie that got someone ISA’ed, does not bother him. To him it is ok to lie about someone else so long as it is not a lie about him.
You see what kind of hypocrite he is. Since he can defend a news media to print lies about someone because of his interpretation of the freedom of speech, I standby by defend of Haris if what he posted are lies.
rocky, don’t do unto others if you do not want others to do unto you.
fandango
January 30, 2009
Harris,
It is clear Rocky now is no longer the Rocky we used to know when his postings were as vociferous as yours against Pak Lah. But now with Najib as incoming PM, Rocky has made no bones that he is slowly but surely moving towards Najib and UMNO. Perhaps he wants to be another Kalimullah Masheerul Hassan with his godpa as Najib this time. So it makes sense for the incoming NST chief editor to start sucking up to his boss…which means that he has to now fight his friends in blogosphere.
Barbara J
January 30, 2009
I believe you Haris, I just do.
Estrelita Soliano Grosse
January 30, 2009
I know I’m not alone when I say that your credibility has not been dented one single bit! I used to read Rocky’s Bru too, long before I even knew you and I had stopped when I felt he was no longer neutral.
It seems to me that this is a case of not seeing the woods for the trees. It is much more than just the “meeting”.
You are not alone, brother! 😉
wandererAUS
January 30, 2009
Haris, you have not lied. You have been misinformed.
So what the big deal. Rocky and you should just move on.
amoker
January 30, 2009
I also said in his blog that he has changed. He is no longer the same person who looks at things impartially. And I am reminded of his support of Utusan’s position in lying.
I think you are a man for being frank enough to apologize.
lu pk le sendiri
January 30, 2009
lidah lawyer memang suka berbelit2. Dah termalu tu cukup le.
shar101
January 30, 2009
My, oh, my! What a conundrum!
To believe the ‘bigger’ truth or the ‘larger’ lie?
As Matkilat mentioned above @ 4.00pm, it is not a recent phenomena that Rocky ‘acts’ neutral and/or apolitical but does otherwise by NOT addressing certain national issues e.g. police brutality. Unlike Haris who makes a stand, rightly or wrongly.
Allow me to illustrate a recent typical posting by the ‘new’ Rocky –
http://rockybru.com.my/2009/01/walk-for-gaza-at-us-embassy-in-malaysia.html
in which he specified details for the protest but included the words “No children please”. These three additional words were not part of the message contained in the original blog source –
http://ahmadmerdeka.blogspot.com/2009/01/rally-for-palestine-at-us-embassy.html
I reckoned Rocky was taking a swipe at civil society initiatives like Jerit, the PJ ISA Sunday candlelight vigils, etc whereby youngsters are encouraged to participate.
Was Rocky being malicious in doing so? I guess not. Perhaps, mischievous is more apt. And isn’t that precisely the kind of stuff some journos are wont to do, veteran or otherwise.
“Bercakap bohong lama lama mencuri” may yet haunt him in time to come.
But then again, despite Rocky being the AllBlogs protem prez, I presume larger fonts makes netiquette incorrectness seems par for the course in the game of deception… errr.. perception.
Oh well, let’s move on, bro.
satD
January 30, 2009
lu memang betul lawyer kaki kencing…
Are trying to pull a Clinton play book here by trying to redefine a lie……
You originally wrote with full conviction as if you got solid evidence of the purported “agenda”….
Is this how you carry yourself as a lawyer?
Baru ade sikit cross examination dah menggelabah and tukar strategy?
How’s your so called “track-record” in defending people? Gempak sangat ke?
Or do you only go for hopeless case? and buat kecoh satu kampung so that people will “think” that u r a “human rights” lawyer konon…?
I recommend you to mengucap again and pray cause i think you are already a MURTAD who eats BakKutTeh in public with the sole aim of abolishing ISA so that you can propagate the various “Cults”…..
Come on over n try to sue an anon monkey if you got the balls..i even got SOLID PROOF OF THIS AGENDA OF YOURS…TO START WITH ARE YOU NOT MARRIED TO CURRENTLY PRACTICING AYAH PIN CULTIST….this ONE NO NEED FOR INFORMER I SPOKE TO HER AND ASKED HER MYSELF
A liar is a LIAR and a HYPOCRITICAL liar who tries to deceive the public further deserves what ever is coming your way….
You know where i am come over if you dare
James Lee
January 30, 2009
This is fact: A few days before polling day at the Permatang Pauh by-election, Rocky was seen having a private meeting with DPM Najib. Nothing wrong with this per se, other than the fact that the meeting took place at the location where BN had its operations meeting. In fact, Rocky met Najib just before a operations meeting.
Its hard to believe that Rocky was there as a blogger-journo to get Najib’s views. More likely he was there to feed his paymaster with information that he was getting from his buddies in Pakatan.
So, to all of you out there who still think Rocky is an impartial SOPO blogger, please think again. This guy has crossed the dark side long ago. His attacks against Pak Lah had little to do with being a SOPO blogger with a conscience, but rather part of an agenda that Mahathir and Najib hatched with Rocky as one of their prime operatives in blogosphere.
I am calling it like it is. Some of you may not like what I have written or still hold onto this ideal that Rocky is an impartial crusader for the “truth” but reality is far murkier. Rocky is the spinmeister-in-waiting for the Mahathir-Najib administration. Make no mistake.
Nanda
January 30, 2009
Paul Says:
January 30, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Harris
You ungrateful ******* lawyer. Got your fame by volunteering probono service as Rocky Bru’s lawyer, now you want to outsmart him?
Apology is not enough! Its a lawyer’s trick MANIPULATING THE INTEGRITY OF THE SACRED TERM “APOLOGISE” . What you actually said is ” I apologize …(for believeing and still believing my informant)_ you ******* lawyer trying to hide those unwritten words. Damn you, pls dont play with words and treat us bloggers as fools. Best for you to retract your allegation and apologize unconditionally. Failing which you should leave the blogsphere forever in disgrace. BY THE WAY, IT WOULD BE HONORABLE IF YOU WITHDRAW AS ROCKYBRU’S DEFENSE LAWYER SINCE IT IS VERY CLEAR TO US THAT YOU NO LONGER BELIEVE IN YOUR CLIENT. YOU LIAR.
Nanda says:
Hey *******. Ungrateful lawyer and got his claim of fame by Rocky’s case you say? This man undertook civil liberty cases that most were not prepared to undertake even when it is blatantly clear that injustice is being carried out and you got the nerve to come here and claim that he was looking for a shot at fame by taking up Rocky’s case? Man you gotta be out of your ******* mind. Or did you forget The Article 11 initiative? IFC initiative? Or did you forget the watching brief held for Syamala’s case? Moorthy’s case? Lina Joy’s case?
malsia1206
January 30, 2009
Fair reply. In good faith. The matter should not be pursued any further as it is. Both have exercised their asserted opportunities to state and/or clarify their repective position. A bigger agenda lies ahead. For the Nation. For the perople. Look at the bigger picture. Both bloggers are matured enough not to deviate from their tracks. Let the matter rest. And ignore all those posts that insinuate either or both with personal attack on their integrities. We are all above board to be beyond that unscrupulous level. The task still lies ahead and let’s all get the work done, together.
Khan
January 30, 2009
It is a well known fact that Rocky remained sympathetic to Najis C4 from the day I start visiting his website some two years ago..I only continue to visit his website because from his website, I can jump on to some of my favourite blog sites…
Rocky! U suck!
Amilnudin- track
January 30, 2009
I have personally walked with Haris many times now and without a shadow of a doubt. Haris walk is not even as loud as his talk. Whatever Haris write, may be from his intteligent brain but what he do is purely from the heart- This I know! Not sure about Rocky, an armchair activist now for Najis and et al? Theres a big difference between ‘live’ and ‘virtual’ deeds. Rocky still trail you by the miles. No comparison.
Haris, just focus on your goals. Not worth bringing him in this blog anymore. There’s better things and bigger goals to achieved besides, there are lots more new supporters with you that do not need to know who this old ‘irrelevant’ rock is.
Move on mate.
Mr Smith
January 30, 2009
Haris, my friend, it’s good you have decided to move on.
All that I know is that you are committed, mind, body and soul to do your bit for a better Malaysia. You dedication to Truth, Freedom and Justice is clear as daylight.
I have great respect for you…. sincere, altruistic, and faithful to your cause.
Rocky, is clearly on the other side of the divide. *Come March he will be in Najib’s entourage. Let’s wish him well and move on with our agenda for a New Malaysia.
(*That is, if Najib makes it to the top job).
Rasupal
January 30, 2009
Okay, for those who opine that lawyers lie, you said it graciously to prove them wrong. I understand at times it’s more difficult to directly engage informant when disputes arises. And I see there is a similarity in the stance taken by both you and RPK. RPK chose jail instead of exposing his source while you said sorry instead of pointing finger at your informant. This trait simply makes you “a man of principle”.
So your apology does not in any way dent your integrity as far as I’m concerned. Like you have correctly pointed out, the perception most have on Rocky changed very much in the last one year and that is stigma, would be there depending on how he project himself. For now Rocky is definitely out to kill Pak Lah.
kittykat46
January 30, 2009
Haris,
I like the way you ever so gently pointed out how Rocky has “come out”.
Yes, we are much clearer where he stands these days.
I almost never comment on Rocky’s blog now, and take most of his posts with a generous dose of salt.
Amin
January 30, 2009
Haris did not lie. The worst case scenerio is that he was disinformed.
As for Rocky he is going for Haris’ jugular. Weird… unless there is a bigger agenda, awaiting Najib’s ascention to the throne.
To some, blogging is a ticket to a fatter wallet.
mauryaII
January 30, 2009
Rocky is one of the many snipers/spinners employed by the mad man mamakthir and his son as cyber troopers to finish off Pak Lah so that mamakthir can hold Najis by the balls and get things done his way.
Remember the crooked bridge. Not building that crooked man’s bridge was Pak Lah’s undoing.
Deception about the part played by those who might have held a meeting for that specific purpose of booting out Pak Lah is too sensitive. They will deny vehemently and demonize anyone who reveals too much.
Rocky lost his principles and sold his soul to the UMNO devils immediately after the 12th GE. There is nothing left for him to lose when he has lost his respect and credibility in the blogosphere.
Fair
January 30, 2009
Just read the articles by Rocky , you will find the stuff he wrote is biased to the ruling coalition and not independent like before.
Even if the alleged meeting did not take place, what is the big deal ?
Anytime I will trust Haris and his judgement than Rocky.
I said this before and I say it again:-
“..Rocky has degraded himself as a hired commentator at best and worst an intellectual prostitute like that opportunist Chandra ??? (don’t bother to check for his full name)”.
And Haris , please don’t be distracted by Rocky’s remarks on you, keep up the good work you are doing; we need you, democracy needs you, Malaysia needs you.
cendana287
January 30, 2009
Oh, Please don’t mind me: I’m just looking around, reading, seeing how *readers* comment, in the hope of learning a thing or two. And I have already learned more than two things.
Folks, it is here that YOUR credibility (or lack of) shows. To me, the issue here is clear enough; so whenever someone says “something else”, or try to “divert somewhere else”, it’s a sign of deceit.
What I detest most are the people who are preventing Haris from doing the right thing (and I’m certain he knows what it is). Now these people, by being cheerleaders for a lost cause, lend pressure to Haris to not do what he knows is right. Follow your own heart, Haris; not theirs.
Peter
January 30, 2009
Tough call, who to believe? But based on actions and history ….
But let me say this, I don’t think Harris have ulterior motives but can’t say the same of Rocky
Peter
January 30, 2009
Whatever… I hope commentators will clean up their language
Patriotic1994
January 30, 2009
Wait a minute… I think Haris’ blog had been attacked by UMNO cybertroppers! Suddenly there are so many negative critics! Seemed so unreal and with agenda behind.
Get lost all of you who have no faith in Haris. If you care for all Malaysian, you are welcome here. Otherwise go to Rocky Bru or chedet.com.
azri
January 31, 2009
untuk semua dan saya sekali, seeloknye kalau logo lets read the quran tu dilaksanakan dengan jujur dan ikhlas, bukan sekadar logo.
sama ada nak percaya pada informant atau tidak, kita berbalik apa yg Allah ajar pada hambanya,
Allah SWT telah berfirman, yang artinya:
“Hai orang-orang yang beriman, jika datang kepada kamu orang fasik membawa berita, periksalah dengan teliti (tabayyun) agar kamu tidak menimpakan suatu musibah kepada suatu kaum tanpa mengetahui keadaannya yang menyebabkan kamu menyesal atas perbuatanmu itu.” (Q. S. Al-Hujuraat: 6)
bukankah ini lebih baik.pada pandangan saya yang hina ini, baik Tuan periksa dahulu sumber2 tuan, agar apabila tertimpa musibah keatas kita atau pihak lain, kita yang akan menyesal.
kita lebih memerlukan orang Islam bersatu jauh drpd kita bertelingkah perkara yg x pasti berlaku.
ella-mae
January 31, 2009
dear haris’ informant,
haris speaks highly of you and since you are ready to stake your life upon what you claim to have seen and heard, please come out and speak out for your friend whose good reputation is now compromised.
morais
January 31, 2009
I guess by now you should think twice and not rely entirely on your now very doubtful informer ” whose integrity and credibility I have come to greatly respect”.
One informer told my informer that your informer is akin to sodomon n gomorrah. Well, since your case, I now hesitate to believe my informer.
The Observer
January 31, 2009
It is interesting to note that many supporters of Rocky and Haris state some really unsupported things.
If Rocky meets UMNO it is alleged ” on the payroll etc.” No basis for this allegation against Rocky, is there?
The same applies to Rocky’s supporters calling Haris a ‘spin doctor’ for Pakatan. Again no basis, is there?
Today in Malaysia there are many things that are not true but are made out to be true. A question of perception.
In a democracy where freedom of speech prevails, we must accept the right of alternative views without assuming anything more.
Let’s be calm and not shoot anyone. I even wonder about all the ‘allegations’ against Najib being linked to murder. I am not a BN supporter, but in all honesty, I have not seen any evidence. I want to believe that there is evidence but I have reflected on it and do not see any evidence. But to make it out like it is the ‘truth’ is something else. Its not right.
Take Kugan’s death. He may have made his mistakes but he did not deserve to die. Even if there was evidence against him. If some people twist it and say these things happen and that the police need to fight crime etc, it is really not valid. Its not right.
Do we want a Malaysia where we ‘attack each other’ based on emotion & suspicion but without actual facts? Where we cannot even allow others to have their say, even if we disagree with them? Are we really ready to embrace freedom of speech?
I think not. Like all ‘new things’ we need time to adjust.
We all started out before March 08 to bring positive change. We have a long journey ahead!
Its not about political change. Its about change in all of us as a people to do right and behave ethically because we want to and not because of fear of any legal sanction or defamation suits!
Peace.
BrightEyes
January 31, 2009
Well Harris, let this be a lesson to you not to trust anybody’s stories 100%, unless you see solid evidence. Lots of people can say they “bet their lives on it” nowadays.
Yellow card for you.
But for partial credit, Roc WAS indeed at that time & place your informant alleged. And he WAS ALSO with ex-Minister Jarjis. Interviewing him for his take on the UMNO party elections, according to Rocky…
Whatever the two (or more) men were discussing, party polls or more… it probably wasn’t about spacemen, identifying low-class Indians, or cigars.
Dante Jebat
January 31, 2009
This is for satD,
1. To the Muslim, Muslim go to Muslim heaven and non-believer go to Muslim hell
2. To the Buddhist, Buddhist go to Buddhist heaven and non-believer go to Buddhist hell
3. To the Hindu, Hindu go to Hindus heaven and non-believer go to Hindus hell
4. To the Christian, Christian go to Christian heaven and non-believer go to Christian hell
5. To the Jews, Jews go to Jews heaven and non-believer go to Jews hell
6. To Ayah Pin, his followers go his heaven and non-believers go to his hell
7. Please continue the same statement for any religion ….
Which ever version of Heaven or Hell, each believer of religion will believe what they want to believe. To me my religion and to them their religion.
To me, Haris Ibrahim can profess which ever religion he want today and change it tomorrow, change it again the day after or change it everyday if he wants. It is none of your business.
What Haris Ibrahim has proven so far are;
1. He is consistently taking actions for the benefits of the rakyat;
2. His name was never implicated in any Submarine, Nuclear, Oils For Food, Monsoon-Cup, Sukhoi, Helicopter, C4 Mongolia crises etc….. Please feels free to add up any crises that come across your mind
3. He was never accused of raping an under-age girl in Melaka
4. He was never accused of illegally bringing in undeclared cash in Australia and claim he don’t understand English
5. He was never …………..
Do add on as you please.
His action is better then you any given day satD.
Sleep well where ever you are.
Libation Bearer
January 31, 2009
For the general Malaysian blog visitor, the issue of the ‘trustworthiness/sanctity’ of the bloggers in question is not that very much different from the predicament demonstrated by following Pop Quiz. See if you can unravel it.
One of the following is FALSE. Can you pick out which one? :-
-A- Ayah Pin Ganu, Flamboyant Extraordinaire, is a man of God, greater than both Jesus Christ and Mohammed combined and is really the Creator of the Universe in Human form with a slew of miracles to his credit.
-B- Low-IQ’ed Gulam Ahmad Qadiani is the promised Mehdi, the Jesus Christ resurrected in person, the Messiah promised in the Old Testaments and is the “Ahmad” mentioned in the Quran.
-C- In the case of Rocky vs Harris, Harris is correct and Rocky is the Liar.
-D- All of the above are untrue.
-E- All of the above is true, including -D-.
Naah… rhetorical pop quiz. Don’t bother answering it. Though it sure sweats some brows don’t they now?
wink, wink, wink.
Ghulam,
Ayah Pin Sidekick
green hornet
January 31, 2009
Did the meeting really took place? My take would probably mean yes!How did the informant get the details of who was at the party?Yes ! when caught everybody will deny he was there and swear by it! Most people will retract to save the situation.Hey! nobody cares who and who is there in La Bodega.Nobody watches you.
vile-n-frenzy
January 31, 2009
nuraina, marina, ahiruddin, some mamak fler, another fat malay slop and plentiful of others…some fler with some horse tail…i can never trust these people.
whatever it is, i know that haris never lies to any of us. i have know him for years now, from the time i met him in his chambers till now at vigils. what the heck? when on earth does haris lie?
speaking about haris being sponsored by anwar, let me tell you people something here. haris is a man with a golden heart. its a fact because he personally offered to take my litigation matter pro bono. till today, i thank him. i dont need a chopard approach really.
all i need is a sincere man who wants bangsa malaysia. if ever haris is offered as a candidate in the future to contest for a parliament seat, i would be the first to vote for him.
p.s. some people think they are connected. we are connected as well in plenty of ways.
Malaysian Wannabe Again
January 31, 2009
Haris
A choice between yours and Rocky’s integrity/credibilty, you win hands down. My “God-daughter”, eechia said:
eechia Says:
January 30, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Thank you, Sir. 🙂
I know for a fact that you’re neither for Pakatan nor BN, but only for the Rakyat, whatever that’s in the best interest of the people.
..and for all that you’ve done for the anak-anak Bangsa Malaysia, I’ll stand by you…
🙂
In the short time that I have known you, I can only fully endorsed her words. Reputation is what you are in the light, character is what you are in the dark. Unfortunately Rocky has none of either. Someone who is prepared to sell his soul for money or position is the most despicable worm ever. My good friend, WanderAUS said that:
“Haris, you have not lied. You have been misinformed.
So what the big deal. Rocky and you should just move on.”
He was quick to come to a conclusion when he said “You have been misinformed”. I say “You MAY have been misinformed”. Brother, I trust your judgement on the characters of your friends and while we all make mistakes, standing by one friends is the most noble virtue one could possess. Like you, I standby my friends. However, I agree with his last statement, time to move on. There are higher issues and challenges to meet and overcome. Don’t let petty people slow you down. Remember the words you shared with me in your car. “There is so much that needs to be done for the Rakyat, but we will take one step at a time”. We will standby you because we understand your challenges and because you have reputation and character. You are a truly Anak Bangsa Malaysia and I am proud to call you my brother.
romerz
January 31, 2009
Don’t worry about it Haris, If one has a clear mind and and can differentiate between right from wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
Much as I hate to say it, I’m afraid Rocky has been turned!
We do what we do not for personal glorification but for the end result which is a better Malaysia.
Malaysia would do a lot better if we could all leave our egos behind!
Crankster
January 31, 2009
To be honest Haris, I do find it a little hard to believe that your informant would be in a position to not just spot those present at that “meeting”, but also be privy to their conversation.
Either your informant was a fly on the wall (or table) or one of those present at that very meeting. Otherwise, it sounds suspiciously like speculation and hearsay.
Care to elaborate?
Crankster,
Elaborate and I expose and lay bare my informant.
Still want me to?
bayi
January 31, 2009
I am still with you, Haris.
Fred
January 31, 2009
Old habits die hard, I guess.
Both Rocky and Nuraina Samad assert they were not at the meeting in question. Without further, independent clarification beyond what Haris’ informant was able to provide, no one knows the truth of things.
I’m not so much concerned about the truth of the existence of such meeting(s), and/or who the participants to such meetings were; I’m sad that there exists now enough distrust between some of our guiding lights that either side are willing to accuse and counter-accuse.
I have no doubt that this is a symptom of a war being waged against “prominent” bloggers or dissenting bloggers by powers-that-be.
goodwithoutgod
January 31, 2009
You have explained yourself very clearly and quite appropriately extended your apologies in the context of the situation. It is quite evident that as most people have observed, you too have concerns in the direction that your friend Rocky have taken of late in the issues facing the country.
Some of us including me are still prepared to defer judgement and continue reading Rocky’s postings despite him avoiding some of the key issues that matters most for Malaysians. The “A Kugan” issue is a case in point where he initially posted a comment and subsequently removed it. He may have legitimate reasons for doing so and he is perfectly entitled to change course as he pleases and his motives for doing so is anyone’s guess. .
What appears to have happened here is that he’s showing his journalistic craftmanship to “pound his chest loudly like Tarzan” ..to try to salvage his declining credibility. However, readers are wise enough to discern the character and the honesty of individual bloggers OVER TIME. It is terrific that you have listened to the comments of readers who have asked that the two of you to “move on”.
Oneofthesedays
January 31, 2009
Hey Gang
One Haris is worth a million Ahirudins. And that’s a fact!
Forget that mainstream stenographer Ahirudin and his poor excuse of a blog. Once a hack always a hack.
The fact that this dodgy dubious character is an “adviser” to the NPC kinda sums up the sorry state of The Press here in our beloved Malaysia.
Come to think of it lets change the name of the NPC to NSC(National Stenographers Club*)until they grow a spine and do their job.
Disclaimer: No disrespect meant to bona fide stenographers 😉
wernnee
January 31, 2009
Haris, I am with you….
yh
January 31, 2009
to me, the key was on the agenda which is to pin the blame on Badawi. was he involved?
Patricia
January 31, 2009
It’s been quite a while since Rocky’s Bru has been off my blogroll. You nail it here, as to why! To say he’s changed, is to be kind. I feel he knows which side is going to butter his bread lah.
And I agree with someone up there: I, too, think you’re neither Barisan nor Pakatan. I think you’re for us, and for our children and their children. Someone needs to be. And for that, I thank you.
Hang in there lah. No one is loved by everyone all the time. There’ll always be those who want you crusified. But by that same token, there’ll always be those who care about you, and who’ll stand by you, and with you.
Chin up and all that. Let Rocky brew lah 😉
fukonima
January 31, 2009
Brother Rocky is the chairperson and he is righteous all this while, and frankly, I respect him a lot.
But lately, Rocky’s tunes has changed (more and more inclined to the….)and I seldom go to his blog now.
Anyway, it is his right to choose who he wants to fight for in the future and we cannot stop him.
Brother Haris, Jeff Ooi is right, yes, “no point arguing further, it is no good.”
Ya,looks like those Bee-End and AemNoo goons have successfully infiltrated the blogging sphere and caused a split.
Whatever the outcome is, stick to the principles, be with the Rakyat always and by all means, put the corrupt and evil party to rest.
Brother Haris, I believe you are always with Rakyat and I have faith in you and RPK, Zorro and many others.
This is the noble objective where people like you and RPK, Zorro, and many others who have been working very hard, trying to reach it.
Hopefully, all of you will sit down again ,forget about the past, have a cup of coffee, and work hand in hand to achieve the noble aim.
The battle has just begun.
God Bless.
wan
January 31, 2009
My understanding of this post is as follows:
Haris merely made a choice to accept his source’s information over Rocky’s refutation. His personal choice is no basis for Rocky’s accusation of a LIE.
As bitter Rocky may feel about this, his assertion of a lie (and implied injury) has no basis whatsoever. No one should apologise for making a choice according to what his heart and instincts tells him.
Nevertheless, as evident from this post, Haris recognises and acknowledges Rocky’s bitterness.
Hence the sincere apology. It is an apology NOT for telling any lie, but as a gracious gesture that carries understanding of and empathy with Rocky’s bitterness.
Please don’t spin Haris’ apology into an admission of any lie told.
Silence is Golden
January 31, 2009
elcapo asked:
.. “why the personal attack & defensiveness??”
rocky bru doth protesteth too much!
Logan
January 31, 2009
I have been trying to discern the argument between two well known bloggers in Malaysia but can’t seem to understand what all the fuss is! So what if rocky meet a group of people/politicians, pro government ones? Don’t think Harris is sponsored by Anwar. I agree with Rocky that some are inspired by Anwar.
Well I am guilty! You have to agree that DSAI is inspiring. I have not seen any pro-Najib articles from Rocky and he perhaps likes Dr M & family. Who doesn’t? Some don’t, now. Blame game going around. Got to take responsibility! I prefer Marina’s musings to Dr M rants.
Anyway, I like what both these guys write; leaning in opposite political direction but united in democratic governance. And RPK is my demiGod.
GA
sklee
January 31, 2009
Haris Ibraim did not lie.He was more inclined to believe his informant rather than Rocky who of late has been involved with spinning for the coming UMNO regime for reasons he knows best.Just as Haris is entitled to who to believe, Rocky also is entitled to decide who to spin for.The public spat between two respected bloggers is not good.Perhaps, this is what some chaps in the government is working on!
sharleen
January 31, 2009
HARIS…im always wit u…
Blue skies ahead
January 31, 2009
Silence is Golden Says:
January 31, 2009 at 12:15 pm
elcapo asked:
.. “why the personal attack & defensiveness??”
rocky bru doth protesteth too much!
__________________
Precisely.
I wrote a comment on Rocky saying what Haris is saying, in a nutshell, is that Rocky’s mission is to attack Pak Lah and promote Najib/Mahathir/Mukhriz.
I asked him to answer truthfully, yes or no.
Let’s see if he will answer or even publish my comment.
Grand Marquis
January 31, 2009
This posting is suffice to separate between cult followers and rational thinkers, just like how water and oil are separated.
Am I right?
Leithaisor
January 31, 2009
Haris,
You have always been, and remains, one of the few people I think highly of. I trust you.
However, I do not know who your source is, and in this matter, it largely boils down to his word against that of Rocky. And a matter of how well you have judged your source.
Unfortunately, at least one of your source had been found wanting in the past, and you had as a result had egg on your face.
Egg which is often on the face of the many shoot-first-check-later bloggers around these days. Too many of these pests around, and the number is increasing.
All that said, I say again, I trust you. May you have all the discernment to deal with the sharks and buaya’s out there.
cilipadi
January 31, 2009
Haris,
We all know who are the ‘agent’ of Umno.
siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas
Watcher
January 31, 2009
The jury is out on this. But since I think we need as many “a few-good-men” as possible to help change the direction of our country, I would cast my vote for Haris. I trust you and I trust therefore your opinion of the reliability of your informant.
Pratamad
January 31, 2009
Aiyoyo, it’s getting a bit long winded liao.
If indeed what was exposed is not true, and there is any damage done upon Rocky as a result, he (Rocky) is partly to blame – for his “change” of colour since Mar 8 has made many come to such logical conclusion and therefore making the expose seems so true.
Haris, whatever this episode is, you have my trust! Keep it up.
Othman
January 31, 2009
Haris,
I chose to believe that there was no “informant”
whatsoever. It’s so easy to make allegations that
are hard to verify. And put the “blame” on your
trusted “informant” when things screwed up.
You’ve been watching too much of Tamil movies that
you’re beginning to act like one.All your fancy words
are just words. You’re going the way of a munafik!
panca
January 31, 2009
Bro Haris, we saw the light from your side.
And we know where darkness is and have seen and keep seing apparition that lurks from the ‘other side’.
Lays
January 31, 2009
Do you guys noticed the traits of Rockybru supporters? They are rude and have lots of hatred. They can choose to disagree, but is there a need of personal insults? Where’s humility?
Birds of a feather flock together. That’s for you Rocky.
The Watchmen
January 31, 2009
Rockys is soo busted, we all know he is paid off monthly by Mutallib dato jj’s lackey. Rocky is a gun for hire, he doesnt care about the rakyat or the right thing, its clearly personal. Rockys just a merc lowlife.
Peter
February 1, 2009
Harris, sorry to revisit an old issue. The Parliament badly needs MPs of integrity. How about going from non-partisan to tri-partisan – PR, BN, BR (Barisan Rakyat). Last election there is no time to prepare for any Independent for the election. Now we have more time to work with others so as to ensure there is no 3 corner fights. How about it? Fellow readers, give me some support.
Whatif
February 1, 2009
Haris,
Just as one swallow does not a summer make, one misjudgement does not make you a liar and negate all the good works you have done. As one of the key players in our quest to build a united Malaysia, you will definitely have people wanting to discredit you and pull you down. Stay focused and steadfast on the tough tasks at hand and do not be discouraged. There are many citizens who are very supportive of your aspirations.
Most people have missed the crucial point in this episode. Instead of harping on whether the said meeting has taken place with so and so at where and when, they should have asked whether there has, in fact, been such an agenda to pin the KT loss on Pak Lah, etc, etc and whether Rocky is aware of the plan and if he is part of it. Only Rocky himself can answer that. We can only speculate through his blog-posts. Let us leave him to his agenda in the whole scheme of things. The truth will be revealed soon enough.
As Anak Bangsa Malaysia, our agenda is pretty straight-forward without having to spin, twist and turn. Justice and equality for all Malaysians is what we will strive for and God willing, we will persevere and succeed in this noble task.
March on, Haris. May the Good Lord bless you and protect you.
Adam
nstman
February 1, 2009
We now know Rocky is working for Umno bandits. It’s time to stop being civil to him. It’s time to expose him as a proxy for Umno’s extreme right. He has shamelessly ditched his former comrades for the devil.
Firdaus Abdullah
February 1, 2009
Dear Haris,
Whether the meeting took place or not is not important. Your integrity does not depend on that meeting. What is important is whether the intention of that meeting. Rocky and Nuraina’s blogs have said it all.
When a person is caught with his pants down, he will desperately find every single excuse to deny. This is a typical situation of the Malay proverb, menang sorak kampung tergadai!. Now we know why Rocky’s blog hits the millions!
Rocky fights for his own agenda while you, Haris, fight for the people’s agenda. Go on Haris, you have our support.
nspirasi
February 1, 2009
haris..your comfort in this debacle is that…’truth always prevails’….
peace be with u my brethren
mens rea
February 1, 2009
i do not blame you for believing what your informant said. if someone told me about that meeting, based on my reading and interpretation of rocky’s blog, i would have thought to myself ‘i’m not surprised’.
but framing it in such a self-assured ‘kamikaze’ way is not smart. hearsay is only too easy to disprove. if you felt it necessary to publish that juicy story, it could have been done in a more tactical way with more finesse.
you wrote yourself into a corner. you exposed your position (i.e. your perception of rocky) with little or no anticipation of what you’d say in a counter-attack (and surely, you would have expected rocky to launch such an attack).
when rocky made his defensive move, your article gave yourself no room to maneuver except 2 routes – to continue on course and appear stubborn and unreasonable or to apologise. either way, your credibility and ‘face’ will take a knock. you wisely took the 2nd route and at least salvaged some magnanimity.
having said that, i still consider you the better blogger and in terms of world view, i consider myself closer to you than rocky. i had much respect for your opinions and still do.
keep on rolling but next time just and watch out for those potholes.
peace
shar101
February 1, 2009
Peter @ 12.00am,
You are right about not having enough time prior to GE12 to identify and engage ‘reluctant politicians’ who are needed as lawmakers in parliament.
In fact, that’s exactly what Haris intended to re-initiate if you consider the RepWatch program after GE12.
Whether it is driven by civil society or put in place by PR politicians via local council elections to unearth new faces and talents, it is vital to have this effort reviewed further.
I’d call it a W.H.A.M. project i.e. Winning Hearts And Minds. But it must be done comprehensively on a national scale through cluster groups or blogs with each cluster concentrating on local issues in each constituent.
And we’ll need access to the PR political parties with regard to policy matters i.e. regular dialogue/meetings.
—————————————————————————————–
Haris,
Can this be included as an agenda with the re-launching of The People’s Declaration?
Truth Shall Prevail
February 1, 2009
Salam Haris Bhai
I have the uttermost and deepest respect for your integrity. You have every bit it takes to be a superb leader. Without the likes of you we will be lost. To you and the very few good men championing our cause we pray for victory. SALUTE.
To the filth like Rocky and 3450 that this nation beholds let them rot in the pits of hell and pay for their greed.
ttc
February 2, 2009
kittykat46, howdee 🙂
Can see and get your gentle drift very easy peasily from sitting here.
Hmm, not ever having caught sight of or heard from this entity or even bothered to go hit once on this RockyBru entity’s blog for food for any thought, one cannot find anything useful to comment on this apparent spat.
But based on one’s own taste-buds, am very agreeable to your wise sentiment that 😀 tripe is more palatable with a generous quantity of salt.
WE SAY YEAH! & NO TO ISA! 🙂 AND HARIS FOR AG & RPK FOR IGP! GO FOR DSAI FOR PM & LKS FOR DPM & KIND WAN AZIZAH FOR HOME MINISTER.
2009 Resolution: Seek out all garbage and recycle or dispose post haste
ais-batu
February 2, 2009
It wasnt just Rocky but Nuraina too denied being at the meeting. So what now?
Im sorry Haris, but youre a big fat liar. Lawyer buruk, that is.
dosa menyebarkan fitnah lebih besar daripada bunuh.
If I were Rocky, I would just laugh this whole lie off. But strangely there are people who want to believe it only because Rocky is not on their side politically.
Lastly, read this too! A post by real witness at La Bodega, BSC.
sheppard said…
The truth.
I was there at la bodega having coffee with a friend just at the next table. I saw JJ, he had a cup of coffee and a bottle of sparklng water and a cigar, than few minutes later, you arrived. Few people came to say hello including Mokhzani who joined you guys for about five minutes than he moved to the next table with a Mat salleh. A lady came and joined at the table for a few minutes discussing something and im sure it was not noraini because she sure look more like an Indian lady. I dont remember seeing Mukhriz there. It was a lie if Haris Ibrahim said that.
Rico Suave
February 2, 2009
Woit ais-batu
How do you know that person you quoted (“Sheppard”) is a real witness??
Hah, macamana u nak prove that?
I also got a real witness, if u wanna know. My witness confirms what Haris’s informant stated.
Now what u wanna do?
tukil
February 2, 2009
Ahh, Rocky denied that the meeting took place at that particular venue. But not that such a meeting with the named participants ever having taken place.
Smoke and mirrors lah. Throw up a fuss to divert the attention from the intended message.
Pinnochio
February 2, 2009
Haris said: If I have erred in resolving my predicament referred to above by inclining towards my informant’s version rather than yours, I proffer my sincerest apologies.
What a farcical apology. You are, in effect, saying that Rocky is lying because you have utmost trust in your informant. That sounds familiar. Ah, like the army colonel blew up Altantuya because RPK was reliably informed. Say anything and pin it on the so-claimed integrity of person(s) who gave you the tidbit.
Fair
February 2, 2009
Dear Haris , please do not be bothered by the negative comments and continue to do the good works you are doing.
Even if the meeting did not take place ,we have full trust in your integrity, sincerity and righteousness.
And hey, should’nt Rocky be saying sorry on his allegation that you, RPK and Zorro might be on Anwar’s payroll ?
Cheers
Pinnochio
February 2, 2009
Fair,
“Even if the meeting did not take place ,we have full trust in your integrity, sincerity and righteousness.”
The basis for the post is that the meeting did take place and that Haris has a high level of,if not total, trust in his informant. I hope this is not too tough for you.
Kam
February 2, 2009
Dear Haris,
To speak with snakes, ones need to slither. But of course, righteous ones like yourself surely won’t know how to. Just leave Rocky disgruntled as he is. who cares. his credibility is his own to ruin.
vile-n-frenzy
February 3, 2009
rocky,
prove it.
if haris, zorro and rpk are all on anwar’s payroll, then i shall no longer support them.
but if they are not on the payroll, then haris, zorro and rpk, please institute legal proceedings against that man.
this is libel if its not true.
just prove it.
farida
February 3, 2009
Haris, this is for you, RPK, Zorro and all those others striving not for their own gain but for the betterment of Malaysia and its people:
“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who
points out how the strong man stumbles, or where
the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood,
who strives valiantly… who knows the great
enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends
himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows
in the end the triumph of high achievement, and
who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails
while daring greatly, so that his place shall
never be with those cold and timid souls who have
never known neither victory nor defeat.”
– T. Roosevelt.
Antares
February 3, 2009
At this stage of the game, the mere fact that Rocky wants to see Najib as PM is enough to incriminate him!
The catalogue of crimes Najib, Umno & BN have committed against intelligence & integrity is endless & already well-documented. Those who support Najib are secret worshipers of The Incurable Dr M. They have voluntarily NSThetized themselves so it won’t hurt so much when it comes time to amputate the gangrenous portions of the body politic.
Fair
February 3, 2009
Pinnochio ,
Haris was relying on the integrity of his informant to say that the meeting was held and I have confidence in Haris’s judgement though he could be misled but I believe the chances is very very slim.
Now, it NEVER occurs to me that Haris was lying to say that his informant told him on the said meeting.
This I am VERY sure as I have full trust in Haris’s integrity, sincerity and righteousness.
Hope you understand this simple fact.
Leo
February 3, 2009
Haris,
I have not lost an iota of respect for you all.
My gut instinct tells me to believe in you, trust you and be with you. I am doing just that.
Take care and thank you for all your kind initiatives in making Malaysia OUR BELOVED country.
Nicky Butt
February 3, 2009
Dear Haris,
A very convincing post by a patriot called Haris Ibrahim. You are truly a gentleman. Your post is very persuasive and reasonable. Anyway, you have proven your integrity and please do not get upset by the Rocky’s post. Your actions in the past have proven that you fight not for yourself but for the people. Given a choice, I would trust you more than I trust Rocky. In recent years, it seems that Rocky has changed gradually. His blog is now less critical of the worthless government and appears to be siding with them. You have been keeping a neutral stand without fear and favour to anyone. If the oppostion ever comes to power, you and (Tun) Lim Kit Siang would be the perfect combination for deputy prime ministers. You should be the chief justice of the judiciary or AG. This will save the country. Cheers to Haris!
THE INFORMED
February 3, 2009
Haris,
Try this article below for size. your informant was right. There is a move by Mukhriz, Muhiyiddin helped by old goons like Tun M. These ppl are the least democratic politicians and not only they are hypocrites saying the dont practice money politics but they do and now a lower ebb, they are ‘fixing’ the results. Ppl like Khir Toyo, KJ, Ali Rastam, Mat Taib, Khalid nordin are all getting framed or in the process to walk into a jungle of traps.
MACC Conspiracy and Mukhriz and Muhiyidin.
The arrest and questioning of UMNO Supreme Council member Datuk Norza Zakaria by the newly set-up Malaysian Anti Corruption Commission (MACC)has sent shockwaves throughout the entire party, as it prepares for the most important and closely fought party elections in decades.
Norza and over ten other delegates from Pahang were picked up by MACC officers armed with recorded conversations and printed receipts from meals paid in for during various meetings between Norza – and his agents – with delegates, in Kuala Terengganu during the recent by-election, to Temerloh where cold hard cash was allegedly exchanged.
I will leave the debate about whether simply paying for meals should be considered ‘money politics’ – it is worth remembering that corporate individuals often treat clients to lunches and dinners – for another day. But the burning question now is why Norza and who is behind the whole headhunt; it is an open secret that practically everyone involved in the contests spend a fair sum of money for campaigning purposes, and certain individuals spend far more than average, with the purpose of buying votes and causing the effect of ’spoiling the market’. Norza is not one of those individuals.
Even before the blame game started, there would have been no surprises as to who would be blamed – Khairy Jamaluddin and the Prime Minister Pak Lah. On the ground, a preposterous story about how Pak Lah and KJ purposely set Norza and the delegates from Pahang to be caught in the state of incoming Prime Minister Dato’ Seri Najib has already been spread by agents of parties unfriendly to Pak Lah and KJ. The story goes, Pak Lah is trying to position himself to stay on past March and
this is just the beginning of an elaborate strategy to undermine Najib.
What these individuals conveniently left out of the story is that Norza is a close associate of Pak Lah, and especially KJ. Much of the anti-KJ sentiment began when he was accused of having assisted Norza in clinching government projects worth millions. KJ has never admitted to actively helping Norza to secure such deals, but the general public knows of their close association that goes back to the days before KJ won the Deputy UMNO Youth Head post uncontested. So whilst the anti-KJ bunch so readily tried to paint KJ and Norza as being the closest of cronies, they are now blaming KJ for framing Norza. Clearly their story does not stand the test of logic and transitivity.
If one were to closely study the facts of the matter, a general picture emerges that places rivals of both Pak Lah and KJ -– with Tun Dr. Mahathir, Datuk Mukhriz and Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin as heads – as the masterminds behind this campaign to disqualify KJ/PL associates. It especially significant that Norza was ‘chosen’, since he has no government position nor a member of the legislature – there is little widespread political fallout beyond the effect on KJ and PL.
Shockingly, this extreme interference is rampant even within the UMNO Disciplinary Board, that although headed by Tengku Ahmad Rithaudeen – a man with impeccable integrity – is now being hijacked by former Kuala Pilah Division Head and Muhyiddin associate, Tan Sri Abu Zahar Andika Ujang who handles all money politics cases, at times even before files reach Rithaudeen’s table.
What evidence do I have to say that Abu Zahar is part of this Mahathir-Mukhriz-Muhyiddin team? First of all, is also the Chairman of Mubarak, the body of former elected representatives that in September openly called for Pak Lah to speed up the transition process (this was before it eventually happened). Secondly, he is the Chairman of Lembaga Pertubuhan Peladang, a post handed to him by Muhyiddin when the latter was Minister of Agriculture. Rewind just a few days ago, Abu Zahar was the man who appeared in newspapers suggesting that there be ‘compromise’ in the contest of Deputy President – essentially putting pressure on Datuk Seri Ali Rustam and Tan Sri Muhammad Muhammad Taib to withdraw so that Muhyiddin can be Deputy President and Deputy Prime Minister uncontested. How can a man like this to be expected to be impartial?
The wolves are lining up outside the door or Pak Lah and KJ. Even disqualifications of candidates due to money politics are being blamed on them. In truth, all the evidence in the world show that the real culprits only want three things: 1) Pak Lah to be humiliated. 2) Muhyiddin to win as Deputy President. 3) Mukhriz to win as Youth Head. And they will use all tools at their disposal to ensure the three targets are achieved, including concocting cases and framing candidates to ensure that Mukhriz and Muhyiddin win their respective contests ‘free’. Najib, on this matter, is quite powerless since these are the individuals who ‘installed’ him as Prime Minister-in waiting to begin with. You’ve got to ask, who’s the one selling the party now? KJ?
Geppeto
February 3, 2009
Dear Pinnochio,
You who come in here to question Haris’ credibility, and to admonish fellow commentators, while implying your underlying support for Najib’s & Rocky’s character….and you call yourself “Pinnochio”. So pray tell, how long is your nose today?
A concern citizen
February 3, 2009
Dear Haris,
I’m not a blogger but both Rocky’s and your blog greatly educated and influenced me to vote Barisan out from Bangsar. I even went all out to encourage my cousins and aunt to vote as well. They have not been voting for the past 2 elections prior to March 2008. We did it. Barisan was voted out. I was not alone. Many of my friends and collegues felt the same.
My point ? The bloggers played a tremendous part last year resulting in Barison losing 5 states.It’s a common knowledge and history has proven this over and over again – how do you defeat your enemy ?? Just break up the team by whatever means…. spread a rumour, plant doubts, bribe a member …whatever as long as the team members argue among one another or start losing their trust in one another. It’s the oldest trick in the book !! Rocky and Haris, please do not fall into the trap…. Show them the bloggers team is still united .You are our future……….
teo siew chin
February 4, 2009
Dear A-concern-citizen
I so do not think Haris will fall for any tricks, old or new, and even if he falls into a trap – his true friends/supporters will rally round to haul him out the traphole, pothole, sinkhole even; a bit dirtied but with pride and principles still intact, eh?
Perry
February 8, 2009
Rocky? Rocky’s Bru? There are people who still read that blog? For a long time ow, Rocky has been openly showing that he hates Anwar and greatly admires Tun Dr M, his offspring and Tun Dr M. He meets with Marina and Mukhriz quite regularly. What is the big deal about him? He was only with the rest of Malaysians as he wanted Pak Lah to go (Mahathir’s aim), but he never agreed that PR should be the rulling coalition. Leave him,nobody visits his blog anymore, except Mahathir’s enthusiasts.