In my ‘PKR, and its ballot papers, up for sale’ post yesterday, I had said that I was going to meet an individual last night who had contacted me to say that he was in possession of PKR ballot papers for use in the ongoing party elections, and that he would pass the same to me as evidence of his claim.
In fact, that meeting was scheduled to take place this afternoon, but the individual was extremely concerned that I would be followed and that he might be identified by ‘interested’ parties, and so, at his request, I said that the meeting was to take place last night.
I met him about an hour ago.
He was very nervous.
He showed me a stack of ballot papers. They comprised ballot papers for the post of Deputy Presidency, Vice Presidents and Majlis Pimpinan Pusat.
The ballot papers for the Deputy Presidency and Vice Presidents were all serialised whilst the one for the MPP were not.
He had about 100 copies of the ballot papers in all.
I asked if that was all he had.
He replied that if I could wait, he could go back and meet me again later at another location with another 1,000 or more if I wanted.
I asked if I could have the 100 or so ballot papers that he had with him.
He offered to give me one of each provided I promised to blank out the serial numbers as he did not want to get any one into trouble.
I asked who those people might be.
He did not want to reply.
I asked him to explain to me how possession of these ballot papers might be used in the elections.
He explained that the central election committee returning officer could manipulate the list of members attending at the ongoing elections, where voter turnout is low, adjust it upwards and stuff additional ballot papers into the ballot box. Worse, it seems that at some elections, there is not even an attendance list to reflect the number of members attending to vote. This makes it even easier to stuff additional ballot papers into the ballot box.
I asked if he was representing any of the candidates and was that why he was exposing this to me, as the person or persons he was supportive of were being affected.
He admitted that he was doing this because the leadership he favoured were being cheated, but he also said that he was doing this in the hope that something would be done to stop this cheating and, if nothing was in fact done, he saw no reason to remain with the party any longer.
I asked if he knew who was behind this.
Without hesitation, he named Azmin, aided, he said, by the party HQ secretariat, and certain members of the central election committee over which the chair, Dr Molly Cheah, no longer has any control.
I do not have access to a scanner right now, so I have taken photos of the ballot papers, with the serial numbers blocked, which I now reproduce below.
The ballot for the deputy presidency is a 1-page A4 document, inserted in the 3-page vice presidency ballot .
The MPP ballot paper is a 11-page document
I now have a set each of the ballot papers mentioned above.
The chap I just met claims to have access to thousands.
Who else does?
Is not this election a sham?
If PKR stands for justice, will not Kak Wan step in now?
Will not the leaders taking part in these elections refuse to have anything further to do with this disgraceful pretense at democracy?
Van Martinier
November 6, 2010
Well done, Haris, in exposing this.
This news should be occupying the front page of Malaysiakini.com right now. The only reason it hasn’t is that PI Bala has again snatched the limelight.
We the voters await Wan Azizah’s response.
We accept explanations from no one lower in the leadership hierarchy.
Muhammad Firdaus Christopher
November 6, 2010
Dearest brother,
I REST MY CASE !
Kudos to your informer for a job well done.
God bless
kang
November 6, 2010
As what I predicted, these leopards won’t be able to change its spot. Same products inherited from Umno, rigging like EC. Mama Mia here I go again. Hahaha.
temenggong
November 6, 2010
Cheating caught red handed! Azizah has to raise this with the Election Committee, and advise them to call off the elections.
SMcGarret H.5."O"
November 6, 2010
Harris, thanks for the information for all of us to see. Now it can be confirmed that there was cheating and irregularities as cried out by many during the PKR elections.
Kak Wan time for you to put your foot down and clean the house.
As for Annuar please don’t play dirty and make us your staunch supporters look like idiots.
Sodomy2
November 6, 2010
If PKR can’t even put its house in order, what hope do we have for a better Malaysia ? I suggest that PKR become an underdog party and let DAP and PAS fight for the betterment of the People.
harga rokok naik!
November 6, 2010
I dunno why u ppl support PKR..
U cried for help to Wan Azizah?
Hello ciku.. Azmin got d blessings to do this from Anwar.
U want Azizah to bypass Anwar n step in to stop Azmin?
Mimpi ka?
PKR is a sham. Since 1999. Only idiots still think PKR is a party of integrity and credibility. It has none.
Sayonara PKR!! Haris, bila mau masuk PPP?
Hahahaha
khai
November 6, 2010
still, PKR is the party to kick out UMNO out of this country…
only idiots still think BN lebih baik dr PR….
betterthan
November 7, 2010
hahaha… i totally i agree bro.
pkr is in the process for maturity. it of course will go thru anything u can think.
so what the fuss with the hiccup… we must see the bigger picture of kicking out the regime.
why bising… u think like amno then, how to help.
mccann105
November 6, 2010
this is sickening.
panca
November 6, 2010
Can the party leadership please stand up? The 4Ws 1H should be answered and if these are not already happening in Hulu Selangor and Batu Sapi then?
So you thought it was just a figment of imagination or rather fighting with some imaginary ghosts?
And the many in-fightings that have given the purpose of those who plotted it – so that it will look bad on you if not ‘my people’ than ‘your people’ then we surrender to BN and not that “we win” for the party. This is bad politic good for the BN victor – fighting w/o fighting.
ALOYSIUS FRANCIS PINTO
November 7, 2010
Many in PKR are afraid to ask the WHY? WHAT? WHERE? WHOM? WHEN? & HOW?
With an illusion that once PUTRA JAYA is in their hands, all things will fall into place, PKR/PR has not ask the 5W 1H when the become the Federal Govt.
No shadow cabinet! Lots of shadows among leaders. The ‘abused’ have become the ‘abuser’. After crying out so long about ‘phantom’ voters in every election, many in PKR know the art!
Is it too late! Is CHANGE possible for the REFORMASI founder members? Search your hearts PAKATAN LEADERS. The awaken and enlighten public/voters have adapted very fast to the changes after TSUNAMI 2008. They know the power of their vote! PERFORM OR OUT YOU GO COME GE13. Scary for many of us, but what can we do? Not much really, only HADI,DSAI,LKS can really make the changes. Time to end the honeymoon relationship and get down to work your coalition as if you are going to be together for life! Otherwise, you ALL will be on this road to oblivion. REFORMASI! REFORMASI! REFORMASI!
AgreeToDisagree
November 6, 2010
Maybe that source is a UMNO trojan misinforming you intentionally? He seems rather young from your description and could be tricked into thinking what he claimed? I wouldn’t put it past Anwar to come up with this tactic though isn’t Anwar no longer into this sort of thing?
DisagreeToAgree
November 6, 2010
That’s a tall tale you’re trying to spin, AgreeToDisagree.
Try harder.
Wake up from the Land of Blind Support.
EVEN if someone is trying to play the fool, HOW CAN ELECTION BALLOT PAPERS BE SO FREELY AVAILABLE TO ANYONE, INCLUDING YOUR ‘UMNO TROJAN’?
WHETHER TROJAN OR NOT, THIS ITSELF SHOWS THAT THE PKR ELECTION COMMITTEE IS A SHAM.
WHETHER TROJAN OR NOT, THIS ITSELF SHOWS THAT THE ELECTION MUST BE STOPPED.
WHETHER TROJAN OR NOT, THE AZMIN ALLEGATION IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO BE INVESTIGATED.
senibong
November 7, 2010
DisagreeToAgree,
Did you read the response, i also dunno from who within PKR, that the ballot “booklet” have different colours? Do they have different colour for different week? Or what? Do you know anything about this PKR election with any degree of certainty?
We actually don’t know the truth, AgreeToDisagree might be right. UMNO playing certain game there through some trojan horse?
We really don’t know what’s the truth. Don’t shoot people down so easily.
Sang Kancil Guru
November 6, 2010
This PKR election is a sham election of the likes of Burma.
sampalee
November 6, 2010
The event as I see it is not just an exposure.It is a PERSONAL call to you by your actual involvement to Jumpstart the third force.God communicate in his own way and your heart string is being tugged.All is within his grace.
Parli-Man
November 6, 2010
I dread to think if the upcoming GE also can be rigged ! If PKR can go to this level, just imagine what BN can do !!!
Kapt(B)
November 6, 2010
Dear Pakatan Rakyat, your one foot into Putrajaya is still hanging in the air but one of your party has shown their blue streak.With all the shits being produced especially by Mr Harris why dont someone in the Pakatan voiced out their concerns.How can the rakyat believes what has been preached by all Pakatan component parties in transparency and what nots.Failure to amend these discrepancies your hanging foot will be thrown out of Putrajay and your dreams will remain a dream.
Paul Sotong
November 6, 2010
Good governance, accountability, transparency …
whereto PKR???
All in the family???
Sotong
November 6, 2010
I say let’s get rid of the crony element in PKR, i.e. Azmin, Sivarasa and all those in cahoots.
Let the fresh people rise up, i.e., Nurul, Zaid etc., whoever you can find who is willing to fight for principles and a cause and NOT for self-interest or for some bigshot individual they think is the Messiah.
There just is no other way for PKR to survive.
Want the people’s vote, PKR??
Set an example by you yourself running a clean election first, or else forget it.
Let’s destroy BN.
Vote everything we got for DAP and PAS.
Vote PSM.
Vote Third Force.
PKR, as long as you remain dirty and have dubious people like Azmin, you are not getting a single general election vote from me or my family.
bystander
November 6, 2010
Haris, though I adore you and your work ever since we met several years ago, what you do, shows how far you are detached from the non-intellectual rural ground.
People have no idea and if they have, no inclination for democracy in the majority. Democracy, if it works, works for developed and mostly rational societies (so the Klang Valley starts to become a contender). To a communal-based group with strong feudal tradition the concept is and remains alien, in the best sense. Their everyday life as well as self-perspective is unperturbed and un-influenced by the mere concept of ‘one-w/man-one-vote’. You talk to people who perceive themselves as members of a time-based succession of generations horizontally, and members of a strictly hierarchical, vertical, organisation of the society.
That’s why DAP works best of the three (though still suboptimal), PAS reasonable (too much of bindings into religio-communal convictions), while PKR – as any sociologist would expect – worst. They carry a huge baggage of what UMNO had imbibed into them over decades, and they can’t simply shake it off. If they wanted; and that’s what I question just the same. They are the partially unwanted child of UMNO; they have more sense of ‘justice’, feel all the injustices committed each and every day by UMNO, until today. But they haven’t shed the ways of UMNO in organising themselves and conduct themselves. Many in PKR were simply hoping to reap what they couldn’t in UMNO; and were, and are, hoping to get their hands in the tiller through PKR (because they feel entitled to it). They wait for and expect for someone to put the money on the table (like what you exposed). The majority will ‘katak’ to whomever puts down the money. And I don’t blame them. That’s what UMNO had ingrained to them as ‘meaning of a party’: catapulting you some places infront and to be closer to the cash-box when ‘their turn has come’ (I cite from a person I know).
And then you, Haris, come in, with all your screwed up Western ideas of ‘democracy’, all not very practical, and most of all: no perks attached, no favoritism.
So why the heck should I move a single, little, finger of mine? It doesn’t get me a single advantage in the afterlife, doesn’t make me a dime richer, so why? That’s also what the compulsory History will bring: no inclusive world history and history and societies; but the remarkable struggle of UMNO for Merdeka. Surely not any thoughts of self-governance.
So that all future elections will be conducted like the last ones. Zimbabwe? You bet, even in Zimbabwe a sizable part of the population will live and die (and vote) for Mugabe.
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
This commentator is being subversive and likely a pro-BN, pro-APARTHEID cybertrooper. Any real PKR members would not allow their little finger to be moved by these unkind words. PKR and it’s Reformasi will save the country. UMNO will and still is destroying Malaysia. So UMNO is in fact the unwanted orphan of PKR now. Use the below as campaign slogans :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
;and guarantee 100% of the the minority vote. That is the guaranteed way to Putrajaya, JUSTICE via EQUALITY, JUSTICE via the END OF APARTHEID.
bystander
November 7, 2010
Sure. Congratulations! You made me out as BN-cybertrooper. I give up.
So I withdraw my words and confirm:
1.) PKR does not employ UMNO-tactics to destroy internal competition unwanted by the top.
2.) PKR is democratic to the bone, and if it is not, it is only to save Malaysia.
3.) Most of all, though, the maciks and paciks back in the rural areas, and the minorities, have a Chomskian built-in democracy-device that will make them vote PKR 100% if only PKR uses the slogans as you mentioned.
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
@bystander :
What you say later is also true, but PKR is a better choice and likely can correct itself to what you say. Don’t tell people to give up on them because they still can reform. Chance for a fair trial!
yabada
November 7, 2010
4) Freedom from kleptocracy.
5) Freedom from terrorism.
M.Path
November 6, 2010
It could be anyone.
First clean up your own first before checking out
Xian Tze
November 6, 2010
Dear Haris,
This is an RPK you’re doing, and this is really selfless of you.
But RPK’s in London, you’re still here.
Please promise us that you’ll take care of yourself alright?
God Bless.
Dr. No
November 6, 2010
Excellent work, Haris Ibrahim.
God willed that this task be done by you.
Why?
Because your opposition to the mega-corrupt BN is so consistent and true, that no one can dare say that you are a pro-BN person trying to destroy PKR and Pakatan.
This corrupt practice within PKR must be investigated.
There is no way on Earth that Anwar, Azmin, Kak Wan or whoever can deny this or close a blind eye.
It is that serious!
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
Like I earlier said, this so called informer could be an UMNO trojan out to destroy PKR. Even if this is true, DAP and PAS could guide the PKR divisions until they decide which 2nd liners take up leadership when trojan leaders in PKR fall.
kingkong
November 6, 2010
Yes we need the THIRD FORCE to replace PKR. It shows PKR is incompetent and full of lubangs. Why waste so much time infighting when the main goal is to replace BN?
tiga suku
November 6, 2010
Dear Bors and sis – pls do not jump the gun but allow Wan Azizah and her people to investigate. This can be a show put up by people anti PKR to sabotage them.
I am sure this ballot paper can be printed anywhere.
To be fair to all members, perhaps PKR should engage 3rd party to carry out this election.
Sotong
November 6, 2010
Ok.
We wait for Azizah to say something.
But I have a feeling someone below (Mr. Ahem Ahem) is going to make her say this:
(1) “Aiyah, this ballot paper Haris is showing is fake”.
(2) “Aiyoyo… why u all making fuss, let’s catch Haris Ibrahim for stealing ballot papers. Election can still jalan, Azmin must win!”
azmie
November 6, 2010
let’s put it this way, with bn, we have umno, mca, mic and the whole lot who are bunch of thieves. with pr, we have few bn thieves masquerading as pkr members but then we have dap and pas to balance things up. i say go for pr. at least there will be some balance of power within the parties.
augustine
November 6, 2010
Dear Kak Wan,
From the very beginning I was a bit doubt about the election for post in PKR. Now reality exist and the ballot paper for most of the important post are distribute to only trusted person. But this person loves the party so much, that he want Kak Wan to do something to stop the election. Am a strong supporter of PKR and I really felt something wrong with the party and if nothing is done to correct the wrong, then the party is heading for a downfall. The dream of taking over Putrajaya is a nightmare. From the very beginning I already sense that Azmin is a person that cannot be trusted to lead the party. He is still a greenhorn and he don’t have any patient to wait for his turn and all the problems in Selangor administration start by his present. My suggestion to Kak Wan ask the election committee to investigate the ballot paper that are being distribute and if possible stop the election. If this problem is not solve, PKR are heading for break-up and downfall. Kak Wan, just mark my words. There are sabotage going on. Please, Kak Wan, do something before it’s too late. The road going to Putrajaya is open.
wandererAUS
November 6, 2010
Is this bloke planted by UMNO? After all, they (UMNO)
did a fairly good job having Anwar screwed by an Arsehole man in Saiful. So where are the true believers? Just 100 copies of Ballot paper, 30 plus commentators screaming for blood!
If we are fair minded Malaysians and seeking for justice, get to the bottom of this distasteful behavior, if proven to be true, heads will have to fall!
tigermania
November 6, 2010
Anwar does not need UMNO to shoot himself in the foot. But he will easily find someone to blame and claim he has no executive authority in PKR.
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
How can you say that?
We all know that anytime he could be put in jail so of course he cannot hold any executive posts! That would give UMNO the ability to cause a PKR electionm anytime it wishes! Are you slightly daft or a BN cybertrooper stirring trouble for Anwar?
drrafick
November 6, 2010
What kind of association is this? A simple election of office bearers also cannot be done professionally. Time to get rid of sick PKR members
waynewei7
November 6, 2010
halo,
For those who keep on asking haris to stand for the candidate of third force, here u can see what he can do and contribute is more than u imagine.
Hail!
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
I’d prefer Haris remains 3rd Force – just in case to keep both coalitions on their toes and to prepare to absorb MCA/MIC/Gerakan/PPP if they decide to drop UMNO, also PSM could be 3rd Force. I believe this is a viable 3rd Force strategy to implement. What say you Haris?
William Ang Joo Song
November 6, 2010
The Wind of Change will surely hit Malaysia but the opposition seems to be ill-prepared. Some have even run out of steam and are mentally challenged. Testimony of this can be seen in the current state of affairs within PKR, which undoubtedly is the weakest link amongst the Opposition alliance.
To help, RPK should either consider registering a new party calling it “RAKYAT PALING KUAT” to line up a formidable team to battle the PRU13. It’s time to discount off PKR!!. Relying on them for the PRU13 is tantamount to suicide!!.
Justice&Equality
November 6, 2010
It’s a SCANDAL,a SHAM!!
Wan Azizah & the PKR Executive Committee should call off this elections; clean up the act and conduct an Honourable above-board Election at some later date.
Or else UMNO/BN will use these episode as cannon fodder for GE13 or any by-elections in which PKR candidate are involved.
Hope commonsense will prevail but honestly I doubt PKR has the political will to see it through. Sigh …
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
You’re a cybertrooper trying to demoralise! PKR has the political will. Do you want to live under corrupted ISA oligarchy or apartheid?
lynn
November 6, 2010
At the very least, as President of PKR, Kak Wan has to respond immediately with a short statement to the effect that she will investigate and announce her decision after the investigation.
We all know Anwar is your husband and Azmin has sacrificed a lot to see him and your family pull through BUT you are occupying the seat of president of PKR and for the sake of all Malaysians who supported PKR and Pakatan for a better Malaysia, you have to stand up NOW, and RESOLVE this sham of an election. Otherwise, people are going to dessert Pakatan by the droves and BN will retain their 2/3 majority come GE13.
Lucy Lee Man Neong
November 6, 2010
I agree with Joo Song, a formidable opposition is required. We need someone with good leadership qualities, vision, and insights who better knows what makes a viable alternative government.
DSAI has great oratorial skills but not leadership. He has his limitations and so does his Azizah. PKR is beyond any repair and it might be better to totally discount them off as it’s hard to unlearn the UMNO ways in their blood.
Better off if you & Harris can start a new party “Rakyat Perlu Kasih” or do something along this line or risk losing again during the up & coming PRU13.
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
Another demoralising cybertrooper! We will not give carte blanc to either of 3 coalitions. A tripod stands better than a 2 party system and allows better checks and balances. Idiotic MCA/MIC/Gerakan/PPP are too greedy to want to end APARTHEID, while PSM only thinks about it’s own autonomy to the exclusion of even engaging the voters. You 4 idiots, go independent and end UMNO hegemony, PSM stop being so race and clique centered PSM is a political party not a NGO.
End the corruption and APARTHEID now!
Philip Chong
November 6, 2010
Anwar & Azmi! Please explain to US!!
lizziewong
November 6, 2010
Is winning everything? Does the end justify the means? PKR needs to buck up, and think big picture, if it wants to be relevant. Do not allow individual ambition destroy the aspirations of all Malaysians who long for justice, integrity and redemption from 53 years of tyranny.
troy
November 6, 2010
Do these people from PKR read your Blog ah ?
You should give this info to RPK for publication in Malaysia Today, that will be better.
Or maybe you need another Press Conference.
If there is no response from PKR you can be sure they no hue People’s Parliament.
Then time for 3rd force ( whatever that is ).
Just do it Haris
Teddy Boi
November 6, 2010
To me PKR is like UMNO in many ways. Nothing can be done in a short term to save this party unfortunately.
Better for PKR to call off the election and get their acts together or risk electing the wrong people into power.
It’s time for DSAI and Wan Azizah to play hard love to curb the rot within. Only then, will PKR survive. Otherwise, it’s game over unless RPK starts off another party.
mantra
November 6, 2010
reading thru all comments… I wonder if Anwar even bother listening to u guys… Its his personal party, personal gain, personal interest… u guys just make it happen for him personally… THINK!!!
AgreeToDisagree
November 7, 2010
NO. While I want Anwar to be PM (being the best person to expose and dismantle UMNO) I do not want to see any more family blocs in all parties as per ethical prohibitions. It is all about Anwar out of necessity but don’t even dare fette his family anymore.
don
November 6, 2010
My!My! if this is doen in party elections…just inmagine what will happen if Azmin and Co gets to Putrajaya….Our General Elections will all be a greater sham..This is ‘KEADILAN’ from the Justice Party….Is there any one you can actually trust…and Anwar I sincerely pray that you never reach Putrajaya…You cannot even manage your party according to principles…..Please do not go all over the place quoting the Quaran and justifying your actions….Can we truly place the FUTURE of this beloved country in your hands…Over my dead body.
ansari
November 6, 2010
selagi azmin bermentalitykan umno, ordinary people akan tolak azmin biarpun geng2 cari kontrak dlm pkr sokong azmin
Dr. Ibrahim
November 7, 2010
Haris Ibrahim,
semua orang tahu kau, Zaid, Jeffry, soh chee wen, wong chuen semua satu geng nak control PKR ala liberal democrat. Kalah jenzaid which he will lose, kau orang Akan masuk PCM/set parti baru !
Memang kau ni la’natullah sial besar hAris.
Hari2 kau tabur fitnah pada Azmin. Anwar, pkr now kak wan sendiri.
Kan ke sial beaR kau nie- instead of kau tolong PR supaya lebih kist unified, kalau lagakan. Kau jadi ya’juk ma’juj
boss kau Zaid nie. ,well known Dari dalam umno masa jadi Minister lagi- tak suka dengar cakap orang. Cakap Dia aje betul. And this ass hole is never a team player.
Meeting pkr ikut suka Dia nak datang ke. Tak datang ke. Macam kepala bapak Dia punya parti
kalau macam nie ler Gaya si zaid nie, how the fuck do you thing he can be accepted by pkr members ?
Kalau kau not a team player, boleh mimpi lah to lead people.
As a leader , u unify not breL apart.
As a leader , you live in a jamaah. Tapi kalau jemaah tu macam kau orang, sembahyang 5 waktu pun tak cukup, mentakedarah arak mac minum sirap – you & geng Haris, can go and fuck yourselves dululah kalau nak menang.
Majority cina & India pun yang dah tahu perangai arrogant non-team player cocky bastard si Zaid nie, all vote for Azmin lah !
So stop jadi spoiler Pakatan Rakyat lah. Shit head ! Ass hole! Finally a real chance for another coalition to be a new breath of fresh air for Malaysia- you fuckers wanna spoilt it. Damn you & gang !
mauriyaII
November 7, 2010
The self-anointed Dr.Ibrahim seems to be a clone of the katak Ibrahim Ali and Mamakthir a/l Mohamad Kutty moulded into one imbecile who cannot understand what Haris Ibrahim is trying to expose. This idiot would like to sweep everything under the carpet and go on behaving as if all is ok.
Hello ostrich doktor! Get you head out of the nightsoil bucket and look around. Try at least to understand the dirty politics that is being played by a few with the connivance of Anwar Ibrahim.
You may feel at home with such politics where any means justifies the end. Others don’t think likewise. We want a clean government taking over from the rotten, corrupted and arrogant UMNOputras/BN that has led the country to the level of Zimbabwe. We want CHANGE but not at the expense of democratic principles.
If you want to suck up to Azmin, go ahead. Nobody will stop you. If you want to play the role of Saiful the shithead, it is alright too. It is your choice but don’t you go around pontificating and letting loose your vitriole just because you thing you are a doktor like the evil mamak who does not understand meritocracy. He was given a crutch to do medicine. Now that he has passed on the same crutch to idiots like you, don’t think all of us need crutches like you parasites.
Slimeballs like you should just kneel in front of Azmin and the evil mamak because they both are of a kind. Manipulative and unscrupulous to the core.
Cadraver
November 7, 2010
Haris, if you can somehow produce the alleged ‘hundred’ or so sets of papers on photographs, it might solidify your claim further. Frankly put, one set of voting paper doesn’t do much in terms of evidence.
Kerajaan Rakyat
November 7, 2010
Cuma ada dua pilihan:
1. Tendang ke tepi pemimpin haprak
2. Tendang PKR ke longkang.
Saya pilih yang pertama
orangkampung
November 7, 2010
This whole scam is evident of UMNO legacy infiltrating PKR. Such cheating DNA is in Azmin and Anwar……cannot be changed….it is in them.
I am not going to vote for PKR ever again!!!!
I can’t wait for Anwar to go on his holiday at Kamunting and Azmin through Ops Lalang, would take a rest. Let PKR be buried.
I shall vote for PAS/DAP. let this 2 parties run the PR coalition.
goheadgostan
November 7, 2010
Harris, time is up for PKR to be dissolved. You should head the 3rd force until RPK returns. Orangkampung1.07am wants Anwar to go on holiday at Kamunting and Azmin thro Ops Lalang. Sounds like UMNO. I guess that’s the kind of support you get of late. Keep on it, you’re doing great job so far.
latip
November 7, 2010
A thorough investigation should be carried out immediately to identify the culprit/culprits in this scam. Don’t be surprised if the existence of “TROJAN” is for real !!! WTF….!!
Sharing
November 7, 2010
Leave the ball with PKR. Do not rule out that UNMO is behind exposing the ballot paper! UMNO is finding each and every possibility to break PR as well as any one in PR.
It should be taken as an exercise for PR and all those who disgust UNMO/BN to keep calm and keep concentrate in moving the INITIAL PR idea ahead with the Third Force. The PR idea SHOULD NOT BE STOPPED. Only those in the direction and practising the idea of PR should be taken!! Not only PKR should be monitored as if they behave or head for PR, DAP and PAS are also be monitored.
So far, it has proven that PP should have its own force to exercise the idea of PR, to complement what can be fall short off by the existing so called “PR” or be the mainstream to finish the job – KICK BN OUT and have a least a CAT Government!!
It is a good chance for PKR to brush up and to show People if they have the wisdom, courage and ability to solve their “internal problem” so that they can stand up again and contribute their efforts to take BN down.
Show People they are not for POWER!!
Show People they have Transparency, Rules and Regulations, Discipline, and Management.
Show People, they will work the PR way!!
OPEN THESE TO THEIR MEMBERS and see if they can CURE their own “Party” so as to stand another chance to win the support of the People.
PLEASE CONCENTRATE ON THE THIRD FORCE!!
sampalee
November 7, 2010
The members are responsible for the party and must not allow a few leaders to screw it up.Similarly,the rakyat must take back power[like hindraf]and nit allow the self serving leaders within pr to hijack it.Currently the rakyat needed a vehicle for this and that is where the third force come in.
wandererAUS
November 7, 2010
Bro Haris, are you familiar with the song, “I started the joke” It is apparent your blog is fast becoming a platform for PKR bashing!…much to the delight of UMNO. You will soon let the Anti-PKR monster out that will do more damages to the Opposition cause. Haris, I admire your sense of justice and I will always stand by you but, let us play it cool and have patience…nobody is perfect and no organization is flawless and faultless!
betterthan
November 7, 2010
good one.
Mike Cheam
November 7, 2010
“Platform for PKR bashing”? What a silly comment.
We all agree that we are all far from being perfect but what’s been exposed here deserved appropriate actions from the PKR Leadership unless of course they are in cohorts with this flawed election process.
There’s an old saying made famous by late Don Chipp, the Leader of the Australian Democrats. He would often say…”Let make the bastards honest!!” So whether it is BN or PKR, lets ensure that the Raaykat are not taken for a ride.
Kanul Gindol
November 7, 2010
What at a pathetic situation PKR is in !
A 1st step to right a wrong is to admit that there is a wrong done, this is called sedar, then the will to put it right is called insaf. It can be said remorseful.. If one believe in righting a wrong, he or she will at once stand and correct things. Those in power shall order things be corrected at once…
PKR stands a good chance to work with DAP and PAS to form the next Federal Government. But if PKR leaders have this low values as leaders, i wont be surpised it will only be a 1-term PR Federal Government! after which many of its ministers will spend time in jails or exiles…
Greed rules the head of our men and women in PKR too…
Am so sad. Rgds, G. Kanul, KK, Sabah
betterthan
November 7, 2010
guys, dun mixed up and confused your mind with pkr election and our struggle to conquer and change our country vision.
pkr is only a small story and in the learning curve and process for maturity and stability and establishment. of course there is problem here and there. this is normal and we should accept it as a learning and improvement process.
if we always frustrate when something is not right within or in the PR… it is very difficult to deal with people like these then! thinking about zero mistake, zero problem… whatever u wanna say… it is just illogical.
of course we do not support and upheld injustice, corruption, abuse of power and etc etc…
but come on guys, we are in the process to make our country better.
or u all still ready to be screwed for another 53 years or so…
One guy above said… ‘u even idiot if u think amnok/bn is better than pkr’… well, i agreed.
betterthan
November 7, 2010
i do no agree with the third force.
third force cannot be there if the second force is not there.
greedy people and self interest people will always think that third force is the solution…
u think what… u should learn more about politics.
and … where on earth… u third force become so force if u could not even match the second line.
as for zaid, he may good in the media and what being expose to us so far but who knows internal issues and discipline.
zaid, for sure has a bossy attitude, big head, self centre… whaaaaaaattttttttt he cant even attend the meeting… how to be a good leader? no team player? this is for sure a sign of dictator…
belawok
November 7, 2010
i told u guys,this harris is going to be rocky the bru.
khai
November 7, 2010
hahaha…where is dis week ballot paper…????!!
wahahhaa…zaid going to lose the election…
yessss…org baru buat cara org baru…xperlu nak rebut jawatan tinggi2…
sepatutnya perkukuhkan parti…bukan every week coming out with new issues…
c’mon..Keadilan is a new party….patot dpt support lagi…bukan kutuk2….
wandererAUS
November 7, 2010
Well said “betterthan”. I am in complete agreement with you, although, I did not say it in so many words. It is quite easy for people to throw their criticisms frivolously but, have no solutions to offer for the problem. We who opposed the BN establishment came a long way compared prior to he appearance of PKR, so it is better to repair the wreck than to have lips services!
sman
November 7, 2010
Tengok betul-betul itu ballot paper yg bila,tak salah saya colur macam tu minggu lepas punya.so dah luput tempuh.Haris awak tu lawyer,bila buat sesuatu misti teliti.Tapi saya pun faham lawyer selalunya memehak dan kalau sudah memehak benang basah pun akan di tegakan.
ongohing
November 7, 2010
While the wishes and sentiments about what this website may promote re championing a so-called third-force and one of the major candidates for the PKR deputy presidency is legitmate, etc., the blackening of the latter’s major rival for the party post is unbecoming. You have raised questions re the PKR leadership as well as Azmin Ali and that is your prerogative. But the naming of a major candidate for the party position solely on the basis that your informant said so as per your report- “I asked if he knew who was behind this. Without hesitation, he named Azmin, aided, he said, by the party HQ secretariat, and certain members of the central election committee…” is a mere allegation which I do not find substantiated anywhere in your posting. Do you mean to say that you of all people will entertain such a report in itself as self-evident. What if someone else gives you a call this day and when you meet him, by day or night, he says that this is the doing of Zaid Ibrahim (meaning he sent that other informant to blame the existence of spare ballot papers on Azmin Ali)? Are you or I or anyone else upon such a claim alone free to “expose” Zaid Ibrahim for resorting to such dastardly act? It will be monumentally unfair to ZI as it is to AA that any man or woman out there can just say the word and it is taken as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Which one of us will be safe from this kind of “evidence”? And to expose any of the major contestants of a high office of a party when the electoral process is still going on and so many other divisions are yet to cast their votes is, I am sorry to say, unfair and unjust. If indeed there are all these numbers of ballot forms hanging around, by all means say so as you have done but surely there are ways and means to investigate such an allegation and even contest the results of such investigations, etc. But how is it democratic or an act of political reform that we accuse and name a perpetrator simply because his name was pronounced? You are my brother and friend regardless of our common cause or otherwise. But because of who you are, a whole chorus of readers have simply accepted such an allegation to be true. Can this be right? Is this the new politics we want? I beg your kind pardon for this my input to this ongoing debate. Thank you. Warmly, Goh Keat Peng
ongohing,
Your rebuke is accepted and noted in the spirit that I know it was delivered.
bystander
November 7, 2010
ongohing,
it is good to see that your balanced words found the heart of the intended recipient.
My concern is not this assumed or fabricated appearance of ballot papers, though, and the validity of the messenger coming from the dark of night. It was not good, I agree, to pinpoint it to AA right away, without proof.
What concerns me are two things, and the one mentioned by Haris is not an isolated case, as you will agree: It looks very much (and I’m careful here with choosing my words), it looks very much to the general public, that all is not well with respect to democratic processes within PKR. The electorate, at least in the Klang Valley, will forgive a number of weaknesses of the new kid in town. Though they won’t forgive the new contender using the same type of means that we had to endure over 22 years plus: undemocratic, manipulative, top-down, corrupt.
And recently, very much to my dismay, it does look to the casual reader, even the reader of the alternative media, that PKR is trying hard to reach level playing field with UMNO with respect to these attributes.
I find it disturbing that some unelected senior advisor (though champion) of PKR has deliberated to foster a rather pale and uninspiring VC over one who surely broadens the width and attractiveness of PKR (and potentially poses a challenge). Isn’t that exactly what brought the birth of PKR, when the then PM could not stand his deputy any longer for the same reason and fabricated whatever he felt was ‘acceptable’ by the electorate to get rid of that person, and put a weakling instead?
Sorry to say, from the banks of the Klang Valley this looks like favouritism, ‘rewarding’ faithfulness, not a statesman-like gesture to bolster the march to Putrajaya. But be it so, democratic behaviour would command a fully democratic process, still, for the elections. What we have seen throughout was more of the old-fashioned – and so sickening – ‘the boss wants him, so we will make sure he wins’-attitude.
If the allegations of Haris’ informer are correct or not, this is what the electorate despises, and this is what could make the electorate to give up on PKR.
I hope my fears and worries pointed out here were unfounded. though.
ongohing
November 8, 2010
Thank you for your comments. Speaking for myself, the plotting and commitment of fraud should not be condoned and not just the Klang Valley but from Perlis to Sabah and Sarawak such conduct should be rejected. My point though is what basis of evidence of alleged fraud should be established so that it could be investigated and proven to be so. I think that as concerned people we should be vigilant and watch over things but I am dismayed by the mass jumping to conclusion which has become so prolific in the comments made in this and many other blogs. We should not shield the guilty nor should we hang anybody till guilt is proven by fair and acceptable process. Thank you.
matthew francis
November 7, 2010
forget pkr and pr. let’s all go back to bn. mahathir rocks. his isa is good for our discipline. and if we don’t like it, just leave for usa or israel.
AgreeToDisagree
November 8, 2010
NO. And if your name really is francis, I’d say you bring shame to all of the francis family as well. if you were being sarcastic, please disregard what I just said.
Mr Smith
November 7, 2010
I suggest Haris meets up with the PKR sec gen to establish the truth.
If you have been proven wrong, please retract this post and apologise.
There is no indication thus far that Haris had conducted a thorough investigation before this so called ‘expose’.
Rakyat
November 8, 2010
Haris,
How about starting a Twitter account like PR-Watcher or PKR-election-watcher or something like that whatever you like.
Urge people to join, get as many followers as possible and start tweeting @anwar, @pkr,… abt all these frauds and fault and whatnots.
If you can get like 10-20K followers and get them to tweet and retweet all the criticisms and questions constantly, day in and day out, that would put much pressure on them.
Imagine 10-20K people tweeting the same thing again and again, that will really get some media attention.
Kunta Kinte
November 8, 2010
Was it Voltaire who said that the Holy Roman Empire is neither holy nor Roman nor an empire? Can we say that same thing about this party?
It is neither a party, nor is it for justice nor is it for the people. Now, go figure.
It is just a group for people fighting for their vested interests.
bystander
November 8, 2010
[Can’t help it, but:]
So, Kunta Kinte, PKR is some Party of People who declare as Justice whatever suits their mysterious ways?
(similar to UMNO, by the way!)
And as a refresher on ‘History’: There is nothing fantastic about Voltaire’s statement. In his lifetime, the Holy Roman Empire was ACTUALLY neither (any more). Sorry, and not to hurt anyone, a little bit like the Caliphate before it was abolished by Atatürk in 1924. So everything has its own time, to be born, to be alive, and to decay.
don
November 9, 2010
Lets sit back and ponder:
1. PKR Secretariate is organising the elctions.
2. They must know the exact number of delegates who will be eligible to cast their individual votes. Eligibility determined as of a particular date.
3. Secretariate then prints ballot papers with all the security features for the exact number of ballot papers.
4. Polling centres identified and security ensured
5. These ballot papers will then be distributed to the relevant returning officers(number of ballot papers must correspond with number of persons eligible) or whoever is designated to monitor the particular election.
6. Process starts at designated venues (a)Names of eligble votes checked with IC against masterlist of eligible voters in each district/division.
7. Ballots slips given, marked and inserted into ballot boxes.
8. Voting time expires..
9. Ballot boxes sealed.
10 Verification carried out. Number of ballot papers taken against not taken matched with master list. . This should tally with ballots papers issued at first instance from HQ.
11.the votes counted and all ballot papers accounted for.
12. Persons who secured number of votes for respective positions should be reflective of actual situation…no eligible agnst number voted and not voted. These numbers must tally…You do not need to be a rocket scientist to know this process.
12. All ballot papers returned to designated person.
MY question is when proper rules are followed how come ballot papers are still in the hands of person or persons not authorised to have ballot papers. Is ballot papers distributed only at designated locations where casting of votes is done within a minute or 2 of collecting the ballot paper.Whether it is 1 a 100 or a 1000 is immaterial. Whether it is for last week or for next week is immaterial. The ballot papers should not be in the hands of individuals. I hope the man task to oversee the election process can explain…..Where is Molly Chan…What is her role in all this as head of elections….I believe all and sundry must be informed of how the election process in Keadilan is envisaged. Don’t you think all parties should learn the truth…..Keadilan Mah!