Two Saturday ago, I had supper with a couple of UMNO people.
I prefer these meetings rather than chatting over the phone as it allows me to assess the value of information they share based on their body language.
They wanted to know if I still was confident that UMNO / BN could be denied getting to Putrajaya post the 13th GE.
“Yes”, I replied.
“Hang gilalah”, one of them retorted.
They insisted that based on information they were receiving, UMNO / BN would retain Putrajaya after the next elections, albeit with a a lower majority than that attained by Pak Lah during the last elections.
I inquired if they were on the ground themselves to gauge voter sentiment.
“No”, they said.
“How critical was the vote of the new Mykad holders ( understand this to mean foreigners granted citizenship ) to UMNO / BN getting to Putrajaya?”, I asked.
Both looked uncomfortable with the question.
Then one blurted, “Very critical”.
“What if we are able to effectively neutralise these new Kykad holders so that UMNO/BN do not have the benefit of their vote?”, I asked.
“Who is ‘we’?”, the same one asked.
“The rakyat”, I replied.
“Then UMNO will be in trouble”, came the short answer.
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Time for a reality check, people.
Remember the 8 BERSIH demands?
Forget demands 4 – 8 for the moment.
Just keep sight of demands 1, 2 and 3.
Clean up the electoral roll.
Reform the postal vote.
Implement the use of indelible ink.
So indelible ink will finally be used? Trouble-free use? BERSIH does not think so. See HERE.
As for the postal vote, any real reform must firstly allow the military and police personnel to exercise that vote personally without any form of interference or intimidation by their superiors.
Secondly, the postal vote ought to have been made available to Malaysians residing overseas.
I’ve blogged recently about why I think talk by the EC about making this available will not happen.
As for a cleaned up electoral roll, EC has not and will not do anything about it.
“Definitely the few hundred thousand dubious names in the Selangor voter rolls is a worrying factor but as I have said earlier, we have exhausted all avenues. The problem has been brought up in the Parliamentary Select Committee for Electoral Reform and each time we from the Pakatan side raise this issue, the EC will say ‘Show us the evidence’ and each time after we have shown them the evidence, they will say ‘We will look into it’ and then the matter will just end there” – Kuala Selangor MP, Dzulkefly Ahmad, quoted by FMT.
The reality is that Najib, UMNO and BN are not going to give us any substantive reforms so as to make the 13th GE truly free and fair.
And the reality is that the EC will only do the bidding of UMNO, and not the rakyat.
If there is a BERSIH 4.0 rally once again calling on the government and the EC to effect reforms to allow for free and fair elections, I will not attend.
It is time for all civil society leaders, including those in the BERSIH steering committee, to candidly tell the rakyat the truth : the government and the EC are not going to give us free and fair elections and that we, the rakyat, are going to have to be proactive to try to ensure UMNO and BN’s cheating is kept to the minimum, if not eliminated altogether.
In fact, at the rally planned for 12th January, 2013, where the organisers hope to marshal 1 million Malaysians onto the streets of KL, I hope this truth will be presented and those in attendance be told what they can do to minimise the cheating on polling day, whenever that is.
What has ABU been doing in this regard?
We have, and will continue to do so until polling day, identified where the new Mykad holders are concentrated and are delivering and will continue to deliver a message to them : DO NOT COME OUT TO VOTE.
And on polling day, we will have teams deployed to polling areas where these new Mykad holders have been earmarked to vote to again deliver to them the same message : DO NOT VOTE.
You know foreigners who currently are working here?
You too can help to spread this message by getting those foreigners you know, whether they hold Mykads or not, to pass this message on.
Here’s a list of things that you can do from now until polling day to help thwart UMNO /BN’s cheating ways.
1. From now until polling day, check your name against the electoral roll on the EC website every 30 days to make sure you’re still listed there in the correct constituency. A famous trick is to quietly transfer unsuspecting people to another constituency, especially from opposition constituencies. They hope that these will go on polling day, discover they are not listed there to vote and give up. Meanwhile, at the constituency where that particular name has now been transferred, a ‘pengundi hantu’ gets to vote against that name, unless polling agents are vigilant. Get everyone you know to do this.
2. Tell everyone you know to go out to vote early, ideally, before noon. In the K. Terengganu by-election in January, 2009, they tried to send ‘pengundi hantu’ to polling stations where there had been low voter turnout in the mornings by first placing road blocks at strategic spots so as to cause a gridlock, thus making it near impossible for voters intending to go out to vote in the afternoon to make it to the polling stations. They then sent ‘pengundi hantu’ to those polling stations when it was nearing the end of the time for voting. Thankfully, PAS had caught on to their game and ghostbusters were on hand to deal with the situation.
3. Ask friends and relatives who are out of the country to come back and vote. This is probably our best chance to bring about the desired change. Every vote will count to offset any cheating that we cannot eliminate.
4. Get word to your friends and relatives in the armed and police force that they must insist on exercising their own choice when they vote by post. They must brave.
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mmc
December 9, 2012
is it the key reason for the delay in election despite the obvious risk. to get more banglas and indons into the electoral list, not unlike in sabah?
Muhammad Azman
December 9, 2012
Ya Ba Da Ba Dooo. My comment is first.
Coming to the more serious issue.
1. I attended briefing on Election at Bangsar, courtesy of Manivanan invitation. Hardly 15 participants attended. So how do we get the necessary numbers in monitoring this polling booths?
2. If this nationalised foreigners produce a valid identity card, what law is there for reference to prevent them from voting?
How about handling the bull by it’s horn? Meaning, engage them. Convince them their vote is secret and no one will ever know whom they voted for. Convince them the brutality of some of our agencies towards them. Convince them that they get better protection from PR than the current government that is only interested in draining their hard earned income.
How guys?
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 9, 2012
Azman,
On my part, I have sent out this article to above 25 of my relatives asking them if they can help out.
I will also be sending the article to a couple of friends who have good contacts within DAP in my kampung and I will ask them to help as well.
Your second point about a foreigner with a valid MyKad is a curly issue. In my kampung, it will be unlikely that ANY foreigner would dare vote if told not to vote. We are not a very big kampung so it is a bad idea to antagonise the locals who are your friends 🙂
OTH, like you said, it is probably a better idea to get the foreigners to vote for PR anyway just to get the landslide but I am going to leave it to the guys at the frontline.
Bro,
Dont get taken in by the suggestion to persuade the new citizens to vote PR. Trust me on this.
Singha2
December 9, 2012
According to my sources, even the officers in EC are fed up of UMNO, only the Chief is siding UMNO. Please do your checks, UMNO is for a big surprise as the EC personnel are going to revolt against UMNO too.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 9, 2012
Singha2,
I suspect there is some truth in what your sources tell you.
I had some problems with my electoral details – a crucial detail was mysteriously incorrect despite me watching the girl at the post office enter the correct details on the screen.
Yes, I sweet-talked her into showing me the screen as we chit-chatted while she typed away – I am ashamed to have had the ulterior motive of being friendly becos I was really checking her data entry despite the fact she was quite pretty 😦
Imagine my surprise when I checked on the SPR site and found my details were incorrect!!
The lady whom I corresponded with at SPR was extremely professional and formal but I just had the strange feeling she was being very helpful and extremely patient – my Bahasa Malaysia was atrocious, my grammar was a joke and Google Translate does not do grammar 🙂
After about 2 weeks, my details were corrected and as of 10 minutes ago, all my details are still correct on the SPR website.
Paul Warren
December 9, 2012
If the middle numbers are 71 and we know them to be Indonesian, Pakistani, Bangla or any other, to begin with we can tell them their MyKads are fakes. It should have been some other number. No 71 does not at present exist in the list of numbers according to the KDN website. Raise their eire and fury against UMNO. They may just vote PR. Indonesians generally are any at UMNO. UMNO’s dependence on foreign vote may just not pan out as they hope. Also UMNO’s willingness to give away our heritage and entitlements should by right not be very welcome by Bumiputras especially as their share of the pie becomes smaller.. When the Indonians,like their kinsman Khir Toyo, start referring themselves as Malays and bumiputras I am sure even Kuttys will not welcome it. But by then it will be too late.
JFK
December 9, 2012
I hope that oxford boy is already planning something good for his own future and not waste his talents with those dinosaurs old men who couldnt care less they all bringing the whole nation to its knees in less than 5 years at the rate our debts are increasing with not one solution in hand what to do! Get out now KJ and show us what you can do for the country, not what the country can do for you….just like those oldies expecting.
herman mok
December 9, 2012
actually very agree of singha2. A lot of lower and middle rank of ATM, PDRM, SPR & JPN are against the Najib Administration but the real player are the high rank one in determining the GE13 outcome. ATM no. 1, PDRM no.1, SPR no.1 and JPN no.1 for this moment still anjing umno but we only need only at least two game changer amongst them. Maybe JPN no.1 and PDRM no.1 could be umno’s traitor (our hero) but quite hard coz Najib Admin prefer to play of Family Game. Unless orang-orang kepercayaan of all these no.1 person being the traitors. We must approach these orang-orang kepercayaan by hook or by crook if we really want Malaysia. Focus only at these FourAgency namely ATM, PDRM, SPR and JPN. The Game Changer are there. We could if we really want.
rajen s
December 9, 2012
Azman, you rock man. I am a lazy man when comes to writing. Good only at surfing opposition blogs. Never give comment want. After reading commentaries written by you, feel want to be part of Abu. Where to apply to become member of Abu?
Are you standing for this upcoming general election? If so where? I want to help. You views on including immigrant workers in nation building is very consoling. You see humane values in everyone. Great man.
Bro,
Dont get taken in by the suggestion to persuade the new citizens to vote PR. Trust me on this.
JK
December 9, 2012
Why is everyone here legitimising alien’s MyKad? Their act of receiving a fake MyKad is already an offence!
Seriously, if we see a Bangladeshi in a possession of MyKad, can we as an ordinary citizen do something like making a citizen’s arrest?
Can we ask Bar council help to station lawyer + volunteers to nab these aliens?
lingam
December 9, 2012
Regulation 14 states that the electoral roll shall be prima facie evidence for the purpose of determining whether a person is or is not entitled to vote.
If someone from the sub-continent has a Mykad corresponding to a name on the electoral roll, he or she can’t be stopped from voting by the polling agents.
If that someone had been warned that his status in Malaysia depends on him voting BN, that someone is going to vote BN come hell or high water.
Bro,
Or he might be persuaded to not come out and vote.
Muhammad Azman
December 10, 2012
Dear Haris,
I do not expect you to publish this commentary, since you have deleted my second commentary from appearing.
I suspected something amiss when no support came from you regarding when some harassment reached my doorstep. I was hoping a word of comfort from you whom I thought were leading ABU.
Comradeship must mean nothing to you. Surprised you are leading ABU. May be leadership means something else for you. Chameleon? I won’t be surprised. Or were you the one who provided the authorities my IP address?
As I have indicated before, mine is a personal crusade. ABU did provide me with a channel to express myself. But I am not dependent on ABU. When Azman does something, it is for the country, not to enrich myself, unlike your objective which I am beginning to suspect as well.
If you were a gentleman, my second article would have made its way on this blog and allow the readers to make their own judgement, wether feasible or not.
If you were a gentleman, the comment made by you “don’t get taken in by the persuasion to get this foreigners to vote for PR” would have appeared on my article and not on other commentaries.
Who are you Haris. Signatory to Universal Declaration On Human Rights? But you are againts this very same human beings who have reached our shores for a better tomorrow. You said your mother is a Ceylonese. Imagine she was denied citizenship on that ground. That makes you into what? An immigrant child. The saying “Don’t do into others, what you don’t wan’t others to do you” probably has no meaning in your deceptive ideology.
Now it is obvious, why RPK ***** you off. He must have seen the ugly side of you long before naive person like me could.
It is obvious now you have a personal ambition. That is to get elected in the coming election and live happily ever after. You are no different from the current BN political leaders. Obviously they deserve a better moral ground than you do since they never pursued a chameleon path.
You call youself a man of human rights values. Pi ki Dah.
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We Stand Together
December 10, 2012
I smell a frustrated cybertrooper. LOL
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 10, 2012
Azman,
Relax, man. 🙂
Nobody is saying you cannot get upset with Haris for whatever he does. In fact, I am sure there are MANY people who absolutely HATE Haris Ibrahim because of his very painful attention to the minutiae of what is right and wrong.
Heheheheh!! Yes, Ellese, you are a goddamn pain as well in my books – ooopppsss…sorry folks I was indulging in a private joke 🙂
Azman, the thing you need to understand is that you have your methodology and Haris has his.
If Haris feels that your methodology is not quite sound (as is his right), he can advise others to reconsider.
It is up to you to refute his contentions, you see?
Don’t get your hackles up because some “dream-boat” solution of yours falls flat – it happens to all of us as we travel thru life. I can tell you here and now that it’s happened to me.
So, Azman, relax, pull your head in, have a little mutter with yourself, and do what YOU believe is best for ABU and if nobody else agrees with you, re-assess your methods and start all over again or not 🙂
Wave33
December 10, 2012
Azman,
UMNO has very good paid strategist working for them. Their political maneuvering is excellent, perfected by decade of practice and implementation. UMNO can cheat some kampung folks but UMNO can’t cheat them all.
Between asking alien to vote PR and refrain from voting. I strongly suggest the later. I respect your opinion on the matter but the RISK factor is high on your former suggestion.
Unless the alien is a second or third generation Malaysian citizen from Bangla or Filipino.
bigjoe99
December 10, 2012
The revolutionaire method you are proposing is justified obviously. But it will require resources – quite a bit. Bersih definitely is the avenue to garner that resources.
What then it will mean at least some troubles on election day – it will be distributed small erruptions but there will be. That is good because its uncontrollable by the authorities which leaves only the gangsta troops of Rempits/Relas/Perkida to deal with…Self defense and discipline instruction as well as organisation for those involved in the effort must be arranged prior…
Bersih need to be forefront of anti-fraud drive on election day..
I think the fraudulent voters are 10%-15% of total votes in Selangor. In order for PR to just hold on to the state, it need to swing the votes by at least another 10% FROM 2008. The non-Malays votes already add a few points and Anwar will add a few mores. That means the anti-fraud can reduce the fraud by 2%-3%, Selangor is safe…
Just wondering
December 10, 2012
I would rather you kept your strategies top secret for if bn knows of them, it might take steps to counter act, unless your moves are red herring.
kwc
December 10, 2012
I have recently spoken to a friend of mine from Sabah. He related his concern to me as he is working in KL. Addressing his concern is important as many Sabahans and Sarawakians who are working in peninsular may be in same situation as well. He concerned about the timing of the election and unable to buy cheap tickets back to vote. As elections will likely be called 2 weeks before the actual polling date, these people will unlikely be getting cheap flights home. Last minute booking will cost few hundreds more which is a large amount to employees here especially when living expenses are so high nowadays. I have 2 suggestions to give and welcome more from you and the readers of your blog.
1) Ask the local airlines to lower the flight tickets for flights of 2 days before the election and 2 days after the election. This is to help those who want to fly home to vote and return after voting cheaper to do so. Since the airlines have made money from Malaysians, especially Airasia, they should do this for the good of the nation.
2) Since Pakatan rakyat can get their businessman to jettison them around on private planes, they should be able to ask their friends to give free flights to those who want to return to east Malaysia to vote as well. We are fighting for their march to putrajaya. This is the least they could do to help us to fulfill the dream.
RCAIM
December 10, 2012
To Muhammad Azman,
You asked “Who are you Haris?”. I will tell you Azman, indeed if that is your name. You do not need to tell me who you really are, Azman. That is quite clear from your writings— a frustrated BN cybertrooper. How do I know? Simple. The displayed lack of intelligence in what you have written. Writing venomous stuff about Haris rather than sticking to whatever is the issue at hand. So typical of
a half-educated BN cybertrooper. You thought that by infiltrating Haris’ blog you could destroy his credibility? Hah! Haris earned “his stripes “ a long while ago, mate. He is not a “Johnny-come-lately” like you. He has remained steadfast over the years on his mission, Azman. That is more than I can say for any of your BN leaders.
Oh! And another thing Azman. If you wish to conceal your tracks, try writing in decent English. You half-educated BN cybertroopers who cannot earn a decent living any other way but by selling your souls really ought to do something about your standard of English. Try improving your atrocious spelling too. I may be asking too much, but try writing intelligently as well. You guys are just symptomatic of what BN has produced through its screwed-up education system and it gives your background away.
You say “ Don’t do into others, what you don’t wan’t others to do you”. Into?
And you say that this has no meaning to Haris? Damn right, you are. For that matter, it has no meaning to anyone at all. Cant you even quote things correctly? In furtherance of your education, Azman, it is “Don’t do unto others what you don’t want others to do unto you”. Sheesh!
Further , Azman, Haris does not write about matters without first verifying his facts the best he can. This is quite unlike you. You have no compunction commenting on matters that you have no knowledge about, even if it potrays you as a downright moron and displays your utter stupidity for all to see.. Let me illustrate this. Haris’ mother was born in Malaysia and by operation of law is a Malaysian citizen. The question of her being denied citizenship does not arise. So your comment about Haris being an immigrant child is just pure stupidity on your part, Azman.
And you say “get elected and live happily ever after”. That again Azman is so so typical of BN. Their members seek to get elected so they can live happily (or so they think) ever after. The thought of serving the rakyat is furthest from their minds—just their own happiness.
One thing is clear, Azman. You are not fit to even tie Haris’ shoelaces.. Now be gone from this blog and take your cybertrooper ways elsewhere. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 10, 2012
RCAIM,
*Ahem* No doubt about whose side you are on 🙂
In fairness to Azman, we should not totally condemn his personal views about Haris Ibrahim – after all, like I said elsewhere, Haris Ibrahim is probably considered by some people to be a horrible evil person because of his insistence for properly audited books of accounts!!
Similarly, we cannot say for certain if Azman is indeed a paid UMNO cybertrooper even if some elements of his behaviour appear to fit well in the category, as you have pointed out.
Yes, it did seem odd that Azman suddenly burst onto the scene, all gung-ho about ABU, and insisting that he has a “personal” jihad (yes, yes, yes, I know, I substituted his “crusade” for a “jihad” – equal treatment and same thing as far as I am concern 🙂 but some people are like that and I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt – initially.
It’s up to Azman really whether he continues with his claims of being an ABU supporter and what he actually does to reflect his claims.
We Stand Together
December 10, 2012
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and explosively purges fecal matter like a duck …
It is an UMNO/MCA Cybertrooper/ Macai.
If he’s not one I challenge him to clear the air once and for all.
Just Gan
December 10, 2012
If non-Malays, especially Chinese, are visibly seen opposing UMNO, this will be distorted as being anti-Malay by UMNO and will be used to create another May 13 before (if all indications are that UMNO/BN will loose) or after GE13 (if UMNO/BN were to loose). This is not just a speculation but a fact. Hence, while the non-Malays must be solidly behind Pakatan in the campaign and delivery of votes, it must be the Malays who must lead the GE13 charge. This must be clearly seen by all the Malays and the rationale understood by the non-Malays.
One thing that the non-Malay leaders, especially Karpal Singh, must do is NOT to raise issues such as hudud and the possibility of a non-Malay PM. What the Malays must be told and convinced is that the Pakatan PM will be a (pure) Malay, the status of the sultans and Islam will not be compromised, and Malay will remain the national language while the rights of the other languages (English, Mandarin and Tamil) and religions (Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, Hinduism and others) will be restored. This means that Malays have to lead the GE13 charge, even if there are committed and capable non-Malay leaders who can join the Malay leaders in the front-line charge. It should be very much like how Tunku and the old decent UMNO lead the charge, with Chinese and Indian leaders firmly behind them, to gain independence from the British.
It is crucial for Pakatan to win over substantial Malay votes not just to win GE13 but also to face UMNO and its dirty and evil actions that are likely to be unleashed against the non-Malays in another May 13. This will be done to “unite” the Malays and drive a wedge between the Malays and non-Malays in Pakatan and ABU. UMNO is bent on creating a “war” between Muslims and non-Muslims in Malaysia in the misguided belief that a Muslim would always side another Muslim against a non-Muslim even if the former Muslim was evil. Pakatan and ABU must be aware of this dirty and evil tactic of UMNO and act accordingly.
francis bondumar
December 11, 2012
Well said J.Gan, simple, straight to the point. This evil corupted to the core UMNO/BN must be buried.
Voter Wan Abdullah
December 10, 2012
Keep reminding voters to check without letting them know where to check ?. Inform ALL via emails/ facebook/ twiiters on this links :lCheck your status here : http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/NEWDAFTARJ/ .
And repeat this email once a month & then every 3/4 days after announcement of Parliment dissolutiuon.,
shakuntala
December 10, 2012
Wan Abdullah, many thanks for the thought……you got the message right …we are all supposed to help each other as ABU is a joint effort.
RCAIM
December 10, 2012
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia,
Give Azman the benefit of the doubt? After he said or insinuated that Haris :
1) Does not understand comradeship;
2) Is a chameleon;
3) May have provided Azman’s IP address to the authorities to harass him;
4) Is not a gentleman;
5) Is a hypocrite when it comes to human rights;
6) Possibly an immigrant child;
7) One who practises double-standards;
8) Deserves whatever it is that RPK did to him;
9) Has ambitions to get elected and is no better than BN leaders;
and much more, all in that short commentary of his.
Some people are like that and we should give him the benefit of the doubt, you say?
What doubt? Doubt that he is ill-mannered, accuses without substance, resorts to bad-mouthing and personal attacks? Doubt that he intends to undermine Haris’ credibility and create problems here?
Sure, he got it from me too, but thats because he deserved it. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Haris as our host may feel constrained to reply in similar fashion, but I am not.
Sorrry, Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia, but i can spot a trouble-maker and a BN cybertrooper when I see one. .
We Stand Together
December 10, 2012
Don’t look at the comment, look at the ways.
They are the ways of a cybertrooper who has just lost it big time. LMAO
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 10, 2012
RCAIM,
You are most probably right in your assessment of Azman as an UMNO trojan – there you go, I have always felt uncomfortable about the word “cyber trooper” because the phrase somehow suggest a higher level of intelligence which I don’t often find evident in UMNO trojans 🙂
Like I said, I offered the benefit of doubt to him only because I could only make determinations thru the words he writes onscreen and for me, what he had written was not enough to “hang” him – yet.
Yes, he was extremely rude to Haris and I allowed that to pass because I knew that if Haris felt like it, Haris could more than adequately handle it – not that I wish to claim to know Haris that well.
I’ve only ever read what Haris has written and I have already made up my own mind about who Haris Ibrahim is – a TRUE Malaysian who is saying a lot of things I have always been afraid to say.
I seriously doubt if anybody can come onto this blog and create problems here. Those of us who follow Haris’s blog seem quite different from those I see elsewhere. Here, people get shredded very methodically and very carefully, eg your point-by-point assessment of Azman in the above 🙂 I do often wish I was as elegant myself – just look at THIS rambling piece 🙂
Anyway, let’s not discuss Azman any further in this public forum. It may be more useful to continue the discussion into ABU strategy meetings, etc. I hasten to add that I am not privy to any behind-the-scene ABU deliberations – I am just an ordinary Malaysian living far away from his little semi-rural kampung.
If Azman is a real person who is really an ABU supporter, he should know what to do. If Azman is a fake, well …..
RCAIM
December 11, 2012
I rest my case. An ill-mannered moron will always remain an ill-mannered moron.
fireduck
December 10, 2012
Coming back to the issue on hand….. 😉
I would add that when you do check on your info in the electoral roll, and if it is correct at that point in time, please print out a hard copy. Or print-screen the info just in case. That will help later should the electoral rolls be meddled with.
Malaysian
December 10, 2012
People, pls don’t jump to a quick conclusion that one is a cybertrooper whenever that person criticizes the blogger or one of us. I read Haris blog everyday and I can say that Muhammad Azman is a regular commentator here and has contributed to the ABU efforts, as mentioned by Haris:
I admired his courage to do it and I like the way he related his experiences on the ground. I was looking forward to hear more from him. However, I must say that I was taken aback by his latest outburst against Haris. I feel that whatever personal differences we have with any blogger, the best way is to request for a personal email. Haris email is no secret as he gives it often in the blog when requested.
Also, I noticed lately that the new breed of BN cybertroopers are subtle in their anti-opposition stand, making it hard to ascertain if they are genuine fence-sitters or not. Those that are already anti or pro will not change their stand – it’s those FENCE-SITTERS that we need to convince. And labelling anyone that doesn’t agree to some of our views as cybertroopers will only drive that person over the other side.
Like Haris said in his Facebook (didn’t know you have one till it reach in my newsfeed from one of my contacts! ) “Unity is Strength”. We cannot afford to drive fence-sitters away, let alone ABU contributors.
We Stand Together
December 10, 2012
No, I’m afraid not. The sudden and rapid loss of his faculties and the deterioration into early onset dementia shows us all pretty much what mode he defaults to in a severe crisis such as his post not being published (ROFL), and it is the mode of a wet behind the ears cybertrooper. You don’t need to be a genius to see this.
I guess that veneer of sophistication couldn’t last long. LOL
If he’s not a cybertrooper/ anonymous macai then once again I challenge him to clear the air decisively to lay the matter to rest.
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 10, 2012
Malaysian,
We don’t really have any evidence of Azman’s claims other than his words that he has done what he said he had done. I can only take at face value what he says.
shakuntala
December 10, 2012
Azman it is totally disgusting, of you to use ABU to air your personal grievances, personal remarks and sadly your woes, too.
Haris is under no obligation to sympathize with you…or with anyone else for that matter. How can you claim or presume that because he did not, he stops being your comrade.
Your contention that Haris did not pay enough attention to you,that you thought he was a comrade (comradeship takes years to mean what it means, it is not an overnight thing) because you desired him to pay attention to you, does not in any way make him less of a gentleman than he already is.in many peoples’ eyes.
Go, do your bit for your country, without putting yourself on a pedestal or thinking that you are the be all and end all of the situation you’re in.
pkler
December 10, 2012
Who among this group of ‘spotters’ going around gets to decide who’s IC is valid and who’s is invalid? What steps are undertaken to ascertain the validity of the ICs? What kind of threats are made to the accused to stop them from voting? Who makes the call? I see enough comments here using derogatory terms like Banglas & indons. Haris, you are really stepping into dangerous ground here. Many who join the ABU cause have their prejudices too, and prejudices against the foreign workforce permeates all sections of malaysia society. Who knows what the right way is to stop these illegal votes. I have no idea & at least you are tring something but what I do know is we must be clear that such intimidation of potential foreigners voting is to have a clean election and not an opportunity to engage in base and casual racist attitudes. I’d like to know how this team of trained ‘spotters’ will carry out their task. How have they been trained? I have very negative feelings about this part of the ABU campaign. Seems too close to potential base animal instincts that crop up with mob behaviour. This could end in tears.
pkler,
I hope you will understand if I decline to give all details sought here.
That woould simply be telling UMNO / BN way too much
Wave33
December 11, 2012
pkler,
You sound like a fearmonger with a negative attitude.
I do not understand your quote: “Seems too close to potential base animal instincts that crop up with mob behaviour. This could end in tears.”
What are you trying to imply, pkler?
Most of Malaysian have been born here, speaks the local language, experience cohesion among the Rakyat and pays taxes. Aliens does not and have little understanding of our local politics. Would it not be dangerous to put a pencil in their hand?
pkler, you like to twist words. What racist? Are you referring to Indon Chinese, Indon Bugis, Indon Aceh or Indon Indian?
12-12-12 is tomorrow, please do not preach armageddon.
pkler
December 11, 2012
Wave33,
I’m implying a potential witchunt against foreigners. I’m implying some people who blame foreigners for all our ills will infiltrate, pretend to care about ABU but simply take the opportunity to attack foreigners. I’m implying, nay I’m saying that this could encourage racist and xenophobic behaviour.
Using terms like Indons and Banglas are derogatory. They are not terms appreciated by Indonesians and Bangladeshis, like calling African Americans Negros. Like calling an Indian Keling. I see these terms used way too often in a derogatory manner, as much by anti BN people as by BN people. It is racist and demeaning. And don’t even get me started on the mamak term being used in a most vile and derogatory manner. Just because of one man.
I know full well the emasculation of our voting rights by registering phantom voters. I’m from Sabah and politically active when in 1994 Anwar Ibrahim was sent by Mahathir to steal our election. I know our marginalization. It was soul destroying. I’m not saying they should be allowed to vote. Of course they should not. I said I don’t know how we can stop them without creating racist and xenophobic undertones. I said I don’t know what the answer is, but that I don’t think this is the answer as well.
I’m so beaten down by anti BN people like you who just see things in black & white. People who consider any criticism at forces opposed to BN as the work of a BN paratroopers. I worry greatly that we will sell our souls to the devil just to see BN out.
And stupid comments about 12-12-12 and armageddon just shows how shallow and superficial your thinking is. I cringe at silly comments like yours. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
One more thing. ICs with 71 are not issued just to foreigners. I have dealt plenty with people’s ICs in my work, and plenty of locals have 71 in their ICs. See how difficult it is to make a judgement call?
We Stand Together
December 11, 2012
Too funny. Nobody has ever cared about the vandalism and the abuse of foreign workers in this country, but when ABU pops up, all of a sudden so many people start to care.
HAHAHA this cracks me up.
If you don’t agree, just sit it out on the sidelines. At least we’re doing something while,
You are not. 🙂
Another Anak Bangsa Malaysia
December 11, 2012
pkler,
Here’s my 2 sen worth.
Calling someone an Indon or a Bangla is, probably, not as racist as one would think it may be. We, Malaysians, have largely been segregated along racial lines for many years and such phrases are part of the vernacular. I don’t think that many Malaysians recognize or realise that such phrases are racist or xenophobic and so, continue to use such phrases innocently.
I am not saying that it is OK to keep using such phrases – I am merely suggesting that we are in the early days of our journey towards a new Malaysia.
To be honest, I can already see change happening in regards to relationships between Malaysians.
For example, I have a friend of Chinese ancestry whom I consider to be extremely racist. It’s not his fault, he was just brought up that way. I had not seen him for quite a few years and when we last caught up recently, I noticed that he no longer refers to Malaysians of Indian descent as “Kelings” when he converses with mutual friends in Chinese. I don’t speak much Chinese but I managed to deliberately baited him by casually using the “keling” word, several times, to see his reaction. No go 🙂
There is cause for optimism, pkler. Malaysians CAN change for the better.
pkler
December 11, 2012
We stand together,
I didn’t realise people are coming out of the woodwork to suddenly defend foreign workers! If ABU has caused it, then that’s a great improvement in the history of Malaysia defending everyone’s rights irrespective of race, gender, age and nationality. I guess groups like Tenaganita and Irene Fernandez are also johnny-come-latelies then? Must be trying o discredit the ABU movement also I guess what with their speaking out on behalf of downtrodden foreign workers…..
But you’re right about sitting on the sidelines. It does no good to be simply a keyboard warrior. As Haris keeps reminding us, we must do whatever we can. Talk to others, enlighten and persuade them. I could not agree more, which is why youre so dead set wrong about me. But as usual, dare to criticise an anti BN movement and face the consequence of receiving a kicking from the ‘black and white, good versus evil’ warriors.
I want to see a movement that plays by fundamental and basic human rights such as avoiding potentially racist and xenophobic behaviour. That is all I ever said, to be careful not to go overboard. No more, no less. Never said ABU sucks, never said I knew what the proper tactic is. I just asked for clarifications and noted my doubts about the tactic. In return, I get accused of sitting on the sidelines doing nothing and of twisting words. Really, some people are absolutely incredible…..
We Stand Together
December 11, 2012
Nice script, pkler. Were you side by side with Tenaganita fighting for worker’s rights? Are you known to anybody in Tenaganita?
Where may we see evidence of your good work?
Answer me please. If you can show me these things, I will not hesitate to POTONG MY ….
S. Menon
December 10, 2012
Two things I would like to mention here.
1. Azman may, or may not be, a potential problem, but, right now, he has become a bit of a red herring, diverting the conversation away from the main topic. Let us get back on track, please.
2. A word of caution about the “71” code in the IC. Not everyone with that code is an illegal immigrant or immigrant worker suddenly given a blue IC. Many people, myself included, have that “71” code in their ICs, even after becoming Malayan citizens by Operation of Law! Most of such people were born before 1947, and will now be well over sixty years old, at least, However, if the holder of an IC with that “71” code is a young person, then there has been some dirty work at the crossroads.
Bro,
Noted with thanks
Wave33
December 11, 2012
pkler,
Still on your racist intonation and fear mongering.
This topic is about ABU, you have carefully and skillfully diverted into another topic by twisting facts. Of course, the skill comes with a price tag.
Quote: I’m implying a potential witchunt against foreigners. I’m implying some people who blame foreigners for all our ills will infiltrate, pretend to care about ABU but simply take the opportunity to attack foreigners. I’m implying, nay I’m saying that this could encourage racist and xenophobic behaviour.
>> pkler, you’ve such evil thoughts and feeling. We have nothing against foreigners. If that is your personal agenda, please do not bring it here to rant. We are against those whom implemented “Project IC”. pkler, you get it? Bisa faham? Nice try by putting words into our mouth, such as witchunt, blame, ills will, infiltrate, attack, racist and xenophobic. Did you have a dark childhood, pkler? I pity you.
Quote: Using terms like Indons and Banglas are derogatory. They are not terms appreciated by Indonesians and Bangladeshis, like calling African Americans Negros.
>> You feel it is racist, because you are racist yourself. Nice twist to condemn us, it is not about racist, it is about people of other nation coming here to get easy citizenship, it could be Indon Chinese, Indon Bugis, Indon Aceh or Indon Indian? Bangla is short form for Bangladeshi and Indon for Indonesian. Good try pkler, to divert topic. Other country people call us Malai. Pak, bisa faham?
Quote: And stupid comments about 12-12-12 and armageddon just shows how shallow and superficial your thinking is. I cringe at silly comments like yours. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
>> pkler, you are the one coming here give all the NEGATIVE vibes. Claiming we are racist, which we are not. Claiming, we are attacking foreigner, which we are not.
We are here discussing on how to bring down an evil and corrupt regime that destroyed the four pillars of democracy, namely; executive, legislative, judiciary and monarchy.
We are here to kick-out a corrupt regime and beats peaceful demonstrators and sometimes get C4ed
We are in love with Malaysia. pkler, you can learn to love Malaysia even you have a dark childhood.
Now, tell me pkler, what is wrong being anti-BN?
Muhammad Azman
December 11, 2012
Will this be published?
Issues to considered:
1. If I am a UMNO cybertrooper, I would not provide guidance to ABU canvassers on how to handle objections raised by fence sitters and BN loyalist.
2. My articles are extremely critical on BN administration, with emphasis on Cabinet level corruption ant the need to have Election Commission placed under Dewan Rakyat.
3.I do not use nick names like RCAIM (who happens to be penis wise, pussy foolish living within the self generated orgasm of Pa Chu Cheng exercise, or is it Sheeess !)
4. My email address carries my name as well. Surprised JPN allowed RCAIM to register such name.
5. This situation would not have come about, if Haris has commented directly on my commentaries, instead of backroom method to stab.
6. Haris should have uploaded my second commentary and commented why I am wrong, and would have allowed surfers to decide later on.
7. By allowing my first commentary and expressing an opposite view indirectly, suppressing my second and cooly allowing my outburst to be uploaded is a sick man’s strategy.
8.Shakuntala finds me disgusting. Thank you. All the while, I was the man for ABU. Suddenly, she finds me disgusting. Let me ask you, apart from throwing a line here and there (which more often tha not makes no sense), what is your actual contribution to ABU? Well, can’t expect much from shell locked vacumn skull of a frog who finds comfort living within a well. Please do the nation a favour, remain there.
9. RCAIM, an acronym for Relatively Cool At Imitating Morons? Yep, more like it.
Haris, you caused all this, not me. You were cunning, when you indirectly attacked me to undermine my method. If you think I am wrong, then just say so and why. You feared my second commentary will redirect surfers thought level in accepting my way as (probably) better than yours. Why this fear? A community shares all thoughts and could collectively choose on the most effective part. When you surpressed my second article, than are you any different from other dictator leadership where it is always one way, my way or the highway. Is this the real you?
Or are you working hand in hand with Sharizat? She only made a speech on May 13 revisiting us if….
But you, by requesting ABU supporters to stop this so define aliens by you, by way of checking, intimidating them not to vote borders stupidity, more so you being a lawyer. No one, organisation or agency has the right to stop someone in the middle of the road and asked to be shown their Identity Card, except of course the Police. If you do that, then you are courting arrest. And this situation provides a perfect platform for BN/UMNO/Perkasa to intervene, and accuse PR sopporters of breaking the law and to create another May 13 like environment.
Opportunist are just looking for this. And when chaos and violent takes root, where will you be. Collateral Damage?
You are a signatory to Universal Human Rights Convention. Then why don’t you see the human side in them. You will understand better by reading my second commentary again. Almost a million former Malaysians are now citizens of many country. A former Sabahan was even choosen as a Minister in Australia. Upon gaining citizenship, all rights accorded by that country’s constitution is made accessible for them. You might argue that this people followed the rule in gaining citizenship. But here in Malaysia it is not so. Yep. You right on that. Yet the JPN issued Identity Card is still valid. And if their name were to appear on electoral role, there is nothing, even the King can do. Hard facts but it is true.
If your jihad (formerly known as crusade and redefine by Another Anak Banga Malaysia) for a better tomorrow for all Malaysians are true indeed, than focus all energy on winning as many voters as possible. Do not allow BN opportunist to take advantage of violent platform to further their rule by way of emergency act.
I challenge you to upload this commentary. Failing which, you make just another addition to many hipocrats who have crossed my path. Prove yourself a worthy leader who has positive and good values. Don’t be another Samy Vellu, Mahathir Muhammad or Chua Soi Lek.
Invictus
December 11, 2012
Azman,
Whether you are a cybertrooper or not, only you know for sure, but what increasingly seems beyond doubt is that you are ill-mannered. For as long as I have followed Haris’ activities through his blog and elsewhere, there has never been a time when he has struck me as cunning, out to enrich himself, and a hypocrite. If he had not posted your second commentary, there must have been a damn good reason for it. As for your puerile comments about RCAIM and Shakuntala, really, I can only surmise that they mirror the level of your intellect.
S. Menon
December 11, 2012
Azman, “methinks, doth protest too much.”
Muhammad Azman
December 12, 2012
Dear Invictus,
My views about En. Haris might be wrong, I am man enough to accept so. But your defense on RCAIM and Sakuntala is way wrong. I have very low tolerance for hipocrates. Please read their comment on me first before you speak from your ass.
As for Mr. S.Menon’s advise, it is food for thought. But I am what I am. I call a spade a spade. Values and principles don’t change like the four seasons for me.
Remember this dear friends, and let put this on record, I am being sued BY Malayan Banking Berhad for a non existing loan amounting to RM35,000.00 for bankruptcy. And the mother fuxxxg Malayan Banking Bhd, despite having in retention my address by way of my savings account and my wife’s car ioan and housing loan still has the ability and inteligence to send letter of demand to my grandmother’s house?
Am I an UMNO cybertrooper?
I am a Malaysian first. Come what may. i will live another day for a better Malaysia. A personal crusade? NO. It is all we Malaysians’ dream of. And if I am wrong, please Allah forgive me.
God bless all human kind.
Malaysian Overseas
December 12, 2012
Azman
You wanted Harris to publish your second commentary. Haris has the right to restrict the commentary if he think the commentary will attract legal actions or put him in deep trouble with authorities. Many blog and website owners also impose restriction on commentary that will cause them into trouble with authorities. Like sedition law……etc. We don’t know what you wrong on your second commentary. I doubt Haris will restrict commentary without proper justifications.
Azman, I suggest you to call up Haris and arrange meet up with him to sort out some misunderstanding. It will be the way forward. Let’s stop attack each other.
Informed Sources
December 23, 2012
Sir,
I was informed that selected person can have 10 mykad and used them to vote in one school. All 10 mykad have different numbers but picture and thumb print are the same. Each mykad is used to vote in different classes in the school. And then, that selected person will scooter to another school to vote with another 10 mykads.
I was also inform that the delay in proclaiming the election date was not because Najib is indecisive. It is delayed because someone in SPR has to create the numbers and someone in a rented premise is printing out the additional mykad to meet with the numbers.
Meanwhile, time is also needed to condition the rakyat mind that BN will win. Moreover, the tv will continue to screen urging the public to register as voters in order to justify the increase in the numbers.